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It is never acceptable other than at the start to say you've arrived and after to say you've left. My phone stays on silent and I expect the same from my guest. Hmmm kinda links in with the respect thread!

Undecided if this is troll comment or not but common sense says if anyone prices themselves out of a market they will move to a better market or they will lower rates... But... That has nothing to do with negotiating. Some people have a hard time accepting that others make more income or have more of a entertainment budget then they do. If you can't afford a Lamborghini then buy a corvette (both lots of fun to drive) or save your pennies and eventually you can get what you want. If her rates are too high for you but she stays in business and earns what she wishes to earn that means she has a market that supports her rates without you. Many markets exist in even the smallest cities and towns.

I didnt post anything yet as I couldnt add more of what being said. Negotiation is a no-no. Comparing a house (few hundred thousand purchase) vs "sp rate" doesnt make sense! Bragging for 20-40$ is just plain cheap. Seeing escorts is not a necessity, but a luxury. Life is expensive, yes! But it is for everybody, Sps included! Btw, why should I take off 20$-40$ of my rate for YOU when other gentlemen will pay my full rate? Some guys will say its better than nothing but its funny how everytime I refuse some "generous" offer there is always another respectful gent who is happy to pay my full donation (wich I believe totally deserve) + tips! This is what I call karma!! :icon_razz:

In my Opinion.. Respect should be given automatically...., but what can happen is that repect can be lost due to a persons behaviour or showing lack of respect for others...

I understand your frustration, and what you described sounds like a total turn off, but if someone asked me this question when booking, I would decline the date without a second thought, as it's questioning my professional standards. I am in agreement with the ladies here. Professional women who are entertaining a guest, will give him her full attention and the phone will be on silent for the entire duration, and better yet as Cleo mentioned, in the other room. In general, I refuse to be a slave to my phone. Anytime I am in the company of another person, client or other, I always have my phone off. Face to face interaction trumps everything else. As for a client using his phone, I do not mind this because I mostly entertain during daytime working hours, and often these men are actually on the clock, so I understand sometimes situations need attention. Fortunately, nearly all of my guests also turn their phone off and would rather focus on us for our short time together. :)

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2 years + here & I still stumble across new stuff like this. God I love my job. There are a few references to size, looks, & what I refer to as the esthetically redundant. So for those who feel somehow inadequate in any physical area, please hear this: Women are different. We just are. Not better or worse. Different. Men are visual, visceral beings: Nice tits, great ass, look at those legs. They are what they are. I accept it & have no resentments. Could be because I have huge tits, a great ass & the same calves as when I was 16. It also could be that I had an Army asshole for a father who schooled both of his vagina sporting kids the ways of the world, so I am a realist with a thick skin. Y'all are kinda foul, whatever, lol! The fact is that my gender lean toward the deeper, more emotion based way of dealing with others. Again, not better, just different. We need kindness, manners, humour, cleanliness, respect for our boundaries, a show of some sort that you want US, not just a hole that gets your dick wet. Be it personal or in this world, it is TRULY how we feel. So your pot bellied, bald headed, 6 inch, non Mandigo winkie, geeky clothed, nervous, unsure, shy, quiet, can't stay hard for 4 hours, wish I went down better, I'm not a movie star, whatever, I promise you, I promise you, I promise you, it is all absolutely adorable to us. And so inconsequential. As long as you are good guys, the rest just happens. Trust me, if I felt otherwise, simply check out my posts; you would most assuredly know. Let yourselves off the hook, if you are nice, we will like you. And you will feel it! Sandi

Rather sad, I think, that this topic needs to be aired out. Seeking to negotiate or agreeing to negotiate the donation smacks of cheapness if not desperation. How could either of these things be perceived as attractive? By either side?! I don't know about the rest of you, but being attracted to, and being attractive for, my provider of choice matters a lot to me, making for a worthwhile experience.

Agreed. I keep my phone in another room actually, on silent. so I wouldn't even know if it was going off.

Are there SP`s/Escorts that would still consider wearing Pantyhose for a "Rendezvous" or has this Fashion gone with time and "Thigh Highs"... Thigh Highs look wonderfully sexy also, but you don`t see women and girls wearing beautiful sheer pantyhose anymore...

Come on everyone!!! we've all been looking forward to this event to lets' help Katherine and Penelope pull it all together so everyone can have a great time! Everyone who was attending on on the original list and still planning to go, please email the ladies. Anyone on a wait list, please do the same. Remember, it's the people in any situation that make it great. Let's get everyone together and have fun!!!! Rah Rah sis boom bah, I knew some ladies with sexy bras...will be there and we know you all love those!!!

There are many reasons to do this and as long as the reasons are good for you and important to you, then they are good reasons and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. As was already said, attraction and beauty aren't just skin deep. Attitude, manners, sense of humor, enjoyment, openness, hygiene, a positive attitude etc. all play into making someone attractive to others. Don't sell yourself short based on what you think you see in the mirror. Most of us have a skewed perception of ourselves anyway. Most SP's will welcome you with open arms and treat you wonderfully as long as you follow their personal guidelines and the common ones of being respectful, clean and friendly. Nerves will be present but don't let that stop you from jumping on board and experiencing something wonderful. Browse ads and profiles and find someone who appeals to you then begin a conversation. Follow your intuition and enjoy!

This is a question for everyone. I'm curious at what point in the process of arranging an encounter are your nerves most on edge? Though perhaps 'anticipatory' or 'expectant' would be a better word. Basically, when does your heart start to beat just a little bit faster? For me, it's actually the wait after I send an initial email/pm that gives me a bit of the jitters. I spend what is probably a silly amount of time writing, rewriting, editing, deleting, going for a walk, and then writing again that first message. And I still end up wondering if I didn't include enough information. Or perhaps too much! Or inadvertently said something inappropriate. I still find myself holding my breath a moment each time I check my messages to see if there's been a reply. And my pulse never fails to pick up when one does arrive!

I believe common courtesy and good manners should be shown to everyone at all times. Respect I believe is earned over time IMHO. I had a lot of respect for my father who passed in 1999. I respect my Mother and brothers and sisters, even though we may have different views on things, even occasional arguments, friends that I've known for years, and some for a shorter time than that. I really believe respect is something that develops over time. Sometimes we may even lose respect for someone we had respect for due to circumstances that happen.

so thats what you were doing down there..

I have been in far too many boardroom meetings in my lifetime. I hate meetings to be honest !!! I am usually quiet at meetings until there is something I really need to address. Something that fascinates me is this.... There are people that believe they are well respected, powerful and like to hear themselves talk....constantly. When you look around the room there are some people yawning, or checking their phones etc.... until the blowbag is done. Then there are those certain people who remain quiet and pay attention and listen to the meeting and the agenda.....and when they speak up the room goes silent and everyone is listening to them !!!! True respect in my experience needs to be earned in the most part. This is just an example that always comes to mind when the word respect comes up. Respect can come from your knowledge that you retain and share, your work ethic, your ethics and beliefs (business or personal) and so on. On Cerb here.....I respect many many many of you ladies and gents. When you think about it....there are always certain members here that you ALWAYS click on their post when you see their names. Because you respect them and their opinions as they have gained your respect. and I don't mean my posts either !!!!! ha they are silly.

Really and it's my opinion only, but that is bad manners. Fortunately one I've rarely encountered. When you go to see a lady, or she comes to see you at your hotel, that time is for you and her...not some prospective client texting As for the tip, leave the tip at the end, that way if absolutely a poor encounter, don't tip A rambling RG

The answer to your question, is a definitive yes. Assume it applies to all ladies. Absence of having it specifically stated or written does not automatically constitute an invitation to negotiate. It would serve all clients well from an SP client positive interaction standpoint to always, unless informed explicitly otherwise, assume rates are non-negotiable. Ask yourself, in a situation where I would assume you as a client are seeking out an SP for a pleasurable experience, is it worth the risk for the sake of 20 bucks to jeopardize a potentially mind blowing experience. The fact remains that for ALL of these ladies (non-negotiators and negotiators alike) the better you treat them as a client and the more they feel valued as a woman the better experience you will have. (YMMV) I personally always seek the most pleasurable experience possible and quite frankly can't grasp why anyone would ever want to do anything that might even slightly taint that experience.

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In my mind there are two types of respect, personal respect and positional respect. Positional respect is exactly that ie CEO I may respect the position but think that the person filling it is a complete idiot LOL. Hmmmm......After Vittos comment I'm questioning myself. Perhaps I do tend to automatically give respect up front and then only remove it if the person does something that I deem worthy of loss of respect. Thanks Vitto!

Welcome Fleshprop to Cerb. One thing I would point out. Not everyone works 24/7. Sometimes we take time off. Sometimes this time is pre-planned and we usually announce this. Other times it is spur of the moment, and so there might not be an announcement. Sometimes technology fails, and we can't get to our emails (or text messages or pm's), or we are not in a position to answer our inquiries within a reasonable amount of time. It is ok to resend your email if you don't get a response. Make sure you are following her protocol. Most ladies require specific information before they will respond. Always be respectful in your inquiries. The one thing you did not include in your options are the recommendations on this board. That is usually a great starting point for your search. Now, one more post, and you come out of moderation. Have a great day!

Miss Laurence, I did understand the greek symbol ρ (rho) is often used torefer to density and that your original equation was the correct equation for density = mass divided by volume. Also, you were indeed correct in your inference that when volume is less than mass and in particular when volume is approaching zero, density does move to infinity. This scenario that you are describing is commonly known in astrophysics as a black hole. I found your equation post so hilarious because not only did you convey in an unusual form that the posters question was not enlightened but you also described that this thread is quite becoming a black hole, whether you realized it or not. (Seriously, it's so witty and quick that I still giggle at it.) Now, I must apologize to you for taking my own liberties and modifying the variables of this equation to suit my own needs and try to make a silly post of my own. I had no intention to discount you point at all, just have some fun with it. I'll have to be excused for letting the typical man in me come out, thinking that I knew what to say better than others. As Miss Evans pointed out, when it comes to the business models and pricing of all you ladies that choose to offer your companionship to us gents you, and only you are the A (alpha) and Ω (omega) (beginning and end) of the discussion. For those silent majority out there and any other newbies who read this thread I'll say that in a environment where pleasure is (or should be) the ultimate goal of a client, it's not worth it to risk tainting what could be a fantastic human experience to satisfy your inclination to haggle or negotiate. If haggling is what ultimately gives you your kicks, go to a flea market instead it's much more cost effective. If pleasure is your ultimate goal then find a lady that appeals to you, grab a fat wad of cash that you know is at least twice what the rate that she might charge then contact her. For you newbies I added the little tip of having at least twice her rate because trust me there is nothing worse than enjoying your time with a lady and finding that you're having so much fun then having to just up and leave with a feeling of wanting more. By having twice her rate then you be in a position to ask her to extend the date for another hour. Trust me from experience, you'll be glad you did. Just pay up and have fun.

As a new member you do have a learning curve ahead of you. Once your a member for a while and have contributed then you can make suggestions on how to make the site better but for now how about exploring the site and a little less complaining (Not really off to a good start). The site is complex and has a vast amount of info and features, if it's too far over your head either take it slow or the alternative is just choose not to support the site and find another place to frequent that is easier for you. Would that not be the best suggestion?

No, not at all. Ladies when they need a quick buck or when business slows many will run "Specials" where they voluntarily drop price for a short time and do higher volume of calls.... they do this themselves and not from someone trying to negotiate. It's supply and demand. A house is a TANGIBLE item not a "SERVICE" and most certainly not a SERVICE that is this personal. Your probably not going to go into your lawyer, doctor, accountant, etc... and negotiate a rate (however I am sure some of you would try). When dealing with a escort they are not selling a tangible item and not selling a standard service either, they are selling a very personal service. Bottom line here (as you can see from the ladies responses and the true gentleman's replies) it is NOT acceptable here to negotiate rates. Bottom Line. Unless the lady states she is negotiable in her ad you probably should not try to negotiate (you may find yourself blacklisted for doing so as well from the looks of some posts). I think we have educated the guys with this thread.... lets hope.

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Some Black and White Photos from EmilyJ's album:

If you no longer work with an agent, but still use their pic's as a " location" .... time to update your album:) Vice versa of course...hehehe :pimp:

Please disregard my penetration idea if the lady is not wearing pantyhose that are totally sheer ;)

I love anything nylon on my legs. I absolutely adore the feeling of nylon on skin. Whether it is panty hose or thigh highs. I originally started wearing pantyhose. My very first call was with a client who loved ripping a hole in the pantyhose. I was told this ahead of time. I actually went out and bought a new pair for this encounter. Of course, the pair I bought were control tops. They were silky and shiny. I loved them. They made me feel extra sexy and so slim. When it came time to bust a hole in my panty hose, it was impossible. Those things are made to resist tearing and puncturing. I didn't buy the cheap ones, they were the best of the best in pantyhose. Of course, this was my first call, and I really didn't know what to do. We were finally able to rip a hole, and the rest of the call was great. However, I resolved from that point, to buy thigh highs. I could wear them after all my other clothing was off. I still got to feel the nylon on my legs while being ...... So, of course, I could have gone out and bought cheap stockings, but I would not be able to experience the feeling of nylon. Even without the ripping a hole in my crotch issue, I would have to take them off to experience..... So, if you truly love pantyhose instead of thigh highs, ask. We would gladly oblige. It gives me an excuse to go out and buy a new pair of pantyhose. What is your favorite color??? Mine are charcoal black. I love the color difference of my skin.

Thank you Pete we love you!!

When you turn you hair green, I don't like to overly shock! :icon_smile::icon_smile::icon_smile:

You've got a sexy new tat to show off. Update your album.

This thread seems to have morphed into a discussion of marketing strategy and more specifically pricing strategy. There are numerous pricing strategies that a business can adopt. Some of them have relevance to this industry, most don't. Selling "Price" If what you are "selling" is "price", it is difficult to be successful in any business. In general you're likely to attract clients who place more importance on low price and less importance on the quality of the service or product. As a result, those clients will generally be on the lookout for a "better" (i.e. lower) price. It makes customer retention difficult and encourages a race to the bottom of the market. Furthermore, in this industry, when a woman has to raise her rates (which has to happen sometime, even though it hasn't happened overall in the industry in quite a while), the client will likely go elsewhere. So if you've reduced prices and therefore your revenue and you don't have any significant cost cutting options to offset the reduced revenue, what do you do? The standard "marketing" response to this situation would be to increase the volume of sales. That's not so easily done in this industry for obvious reasons. Several women in this and other threads have described the unique challenges of being a service provider while maintaining their physical/emotional health and privacy etc. In addition, screening clients has been discussed on numerous occasions as a necessary step for personal safety and security. The higher the volume, the less time there is to do this properly and the greater the risks to the service provider. I think some are arguing that any customers receiving a price cut don't represent revenue loss, they represent new revenue from new customers the service provider wouldn't otherwise have. That's only correct if the service provider wants to increase the number of clients she sees in a day/week. Most commenting on this thread appear to be low volume service providers (whatever that number might be) and prefer to find other ways of optimizing their revenue (e.g. longer appointments, more frequent repeat clients or unique date activities). The whole idea behind the Girl Friend Experience for example is to provide intellectual and emotional interaction with the client that goes beyond just the sexual activity. Many clients place a substantial value on this. What Does Success Look Like? So what does success in a small business look like? The business is sustainable, with good customer retention (loyal regular/occasional customers). The business owner has good control over the costs relative to their revenues. And finally, there has to be sufficient profit to live comfortably. This includes a work life balance allowing sufficient time/money to enjoy recreation, family, friends and save for long term goals (e.g. go to school, start another business etc). Yes, I understand that not everyone is able to achieve all of this in life. It's been noted in previous threads that there is a high turnover of service providers in this industry. Most last only a few months to a couple of years. Most of the women who have posted on this thread however have been in this business for several years. Without knowing all of them personally, they appear by my definition to be successful. In part, though not exclusively, their success appears to be due to sticking with their pricing strategy and understanding who they seek as customers. It also appears to be based upon understanding their clients and being able to add value through services such as GFE. I think they are just trying to communicate an appreciation of that. This forum is unique in that the curtain is drawn back and allows clients to gain some insider appreciation of "the business". I think all business relationships are enhanced when clients have some appreciation of what it takes to achieve and sustain a successful business.

I read somewhere that in Manhattan during the 20s, the rich were obsessed with building the tallest tower. Basically, it's "mine's bigger then yours". We do live in a society which praises large penises (never mind that a good number of women might find it painful, a large dick is a trophy that you carry around), large boobs, hairless chests (on guys), a healthy head of hair, and the list goes on. Treat an escort well, with respect and kindness and a good escort will make you feel fan-fucking-tastic. Give a choice between a douchebag sporting a Ron Jeremy sized dick, and a nice guy who is below average, she's going to pick the latter any day of the week. I had my own set of insecurities before. And I can't say I let them go immediately, but after a few visits, those insecurities stopped being important to me. Don't let this penis size issue worry you too much. And if you feel conscious about it, listen carefully to anything she says when you go down on her, and learn how to give great massages. There are many ways to please a lady then having a large member. Relax, have fun, be happy. Repeat.

Awww I wish I could even consider going :( darn school! Ps. I totally just read your entire post in the voice of Austin Powers ;) "Oh behave!"

That's where you come in. You have to understand the difference between a professional encounter and an encounter with someone with whom you have built a bond. It's easy to develop an emotional attachment to people with whom you have exposed yourself physically. It's absolutely okay to like them, hell, even love them BUT you have to go in with the proviso that this is a professional situation. If needs be, think of it this way. When you go into a tremendously frightening movie, you give yourself the affirmation "this is only a movie, it's not real." It's mental trickery, but it works. An encounter is much the same thing. You enjoy the benefits of a physical relationship with someone you enjoy, but at the end of the session you part as a customer and she as a provider. It was a transaction. Hope this helps!

Truly powerful people don't explain why they want respect. They simply won't engage someone who doesn't give it to them.

In most cases, the refernces are nice to have, but not necessarily a must. If you contact your choice of one or more of the lovely ladies on this site, not an agency, they should be able to work you through the process. All the checks and balances are for the ladies safety, but they will work with you to provide services, as they are independents. If your handle implies your situation, you will probably have a hard time finding someone, lmao

I agree with Vitto. Respect is automatically given. As you get to know somebody, maybe the respect you have for them grows. Maybe the person shows a side and you lose respect for them. Take this lifestyle for example, from a prospective clients POV. If you, hypothetically speaking start off having no respect for a lady you are about to see, what does that say about you...wanting to be intimate with a lady you have no respect for? Every lady I would like to see I first and foremost respect. And sometimes that respect, after you meet, grows even more. And a few cases, very few fortunately, after you meet, well you have no or little respect left. And I believe this holds true in life as a whole A rambling RG

I like roamingguy. His posts reflect a person who is down-to-earth, easy to converse with, has a great sense of humor; he respects and speaks highly of the fine ladies within cerb. A gentleman all the way! Have a sweet day!

There are a few girls at the FAX that do really know how to pole dance. Its and art and people like that. But, like people say.. they make their money in the CR. Some more than others.. but im not going there.. The mid 20s and early 30s ladies are more open to a nice stage dance I found. But its been like this ever since I started to go to gentleman's clubs back in the late 80s. Go to Montreal.. have a look at these two clubs: Kamasutra Club and Wandas.

Personally, I want an unambiguous menu...that includes Greek :)

It's a beautiful day for an outdoor shoot. Update your album. You're in vacation. Update your album.

Thanks Meg, this is an issue we seem to deal with on a regular basis, and it is so frustrating. For those that wonder why the lady will not respond to further inquiries after asking "I only have $100", or what will $50 get me" or my favorite "wow, your prices are way out there, I will give you $30 less then you want", you are on her permanent do not book list. Don't ever lowball her rates, if you can't afford her fees, move on, save up or go down town and find a streetwalker that will give a bj for $20. For those that say "hey its only a question", you are insulting her and she does not appreciate it. Now, on the flip side of the coin, I really appreciate the guys who not only pay her rate, but give a generous tip on top of it. You are the true gems and we really appreciate this. Our time together is special and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Again, thanks Meg.

I'm just curious if this sort of discussion ever comes up when a guy goes to a bar to pick up a woman or someone, man or woman, goes on a dating site to find a date, or relationship or if someone just dates. Not saying a discussion of STD/STI is wrong, but why the focus of STD/STI only when it comes to seeing professional companions, especially since, at least in my experience, the ladies are far more religious about safe sex practices than ladies seen in conventional "civilian" dating. Just a rambling RG

From Penelope Davis's album :

Everyone has their own reasons for seeking the company of an SP. And that reason is the proper reason to see a professional companion, with the caveat that you are always a gentleman, and respect all of the lady's boundaries. Remember that SP's are professional companions, what is important to the lady is she is seeing a gentleman, good hygiene, pays in full etc. She would much rather see a gentleman who isn't good looking rather than see someone who looks like he should be on the cover of GQ, but has absolutely no respect for ladies. In short, your character counts a lot. That's coming from a guy who's overweight, bald,oops political correct term folliclly challenged, wears glasses and is in his 50's If your shy just tell the lady when you contact her so she knows. Also tell her it's your first time. BTW once you commit to an encounter, no matter how nervous you get, carry through with the encounter, don't back out. A few ramblings Good luck and have fun RG

A lot of the MA/SP mentions in thread like this that they don't care what you look like, as long as you have good hygiene, are nice and act like a gentleman. As for your reasons, I'd say they are pretty good. I saw my first SP cause I also had problems with dating (only managed to get kissed once, after 3 months!) It definitively made me more confident and better with myself. And I got to see what I've been missing for so long. Don't hesitate to tell the lady you'll be contacting that you're shy and it's your first time with an SP. Most of them are very good at making you comfortable. For the legal stuff, lots of great info on this site!

I have had the double life feeling.., but at this moment I think i feel more like cdn traveller, ias an MA is just a part of my life i dont share with everyone, I have already lost friendships because i was honest and told them what my job was about, their decision was they coukd not be friends with me anymore, some of them i respect because it could affect them in their proffessional lives but even at that today i also have friends that do not care what i do..., then i have realized WHO MY REAL FRIENDS ARE... Being an MA does not make me less than anyone else, it was my choice, is what pays for my bills and puts food on my table... I still dont have to pubicly scream it, but at this point of people is to find out, it would not change my mind, is what i do and if they want to accept me great of not... Too!