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It is never acceptable other than at the start to say you've arrived and after to say you've left. My phone stays on silent and I expect the same from my guest. Hmmm kinda links in with the respect thread!

Undecided if this is troll comment or not but common sense says if anyone prices themselves out of a market they will move to a better market or they will lower rates... But... That has nothing to do with negotiating. Some people have a hard time accepting that others make more income or have more of a entertainment budget then they do. If you can't afford a Lamborghini then buy a corvette (both lots of fun to drive) or save your pennies and eventually you can get what you want. If her rates are too high for you but she stays in business and earns what she wishes to earn that means she has a market that supports her rates without you. Many markets exist in even the smallest cities and towns.

I didnt post anything yet as I couldnt add more of what being said. Negotiation is a no-no. Comparing a house (few hundred thousand purchase) vs "sp rate" doesnt make sense! Bragging for 20-40$ is just plain cheap. Seeing escorts is not a necessity, but a luxury. Life is expensive, yes! But it is for everybody, Sps included! Btw, why should I take off 20$-40$ of my rate for YOU when other gentlemen will pay my full rate? Some guys will say its better than nothing but its funny how everytime I refuse some "generous" offer there is always another respectful gent who is happy to pay my full donation (wich I believe totally deserve) + tips! This is what I call karma!! :icon_razz:

In my Opinion.. Respect should be given automatically...., but what can happen is that repect can be lost due to a persons behaviour or showing lack of respect for others...

I understand your frustration, and what you described sounds like a total turn off, but if someone asked me this question when booking, I would decline the date without a second thought, as it's questioning my professional standards. I am in agreement with the ladies here. Professional women who are entertaining a guest, will give him her full attention and the phone will be on silent for the entire duration, and better yet as Cleo mentioned, in the other room. In general, I refuse to be a slave to my phone. Anytime I am in the company of another person, client or other, I always have my phone off. Face to face interaction trumps everything else. As for a client using his phone, I do not mind this because I mostly entertain during daytime working hours, and often these men are actually on the clock, so I understand sometimes situations need attention. Fortunately, nearly all of my guests also turn their phone off and would rather focus on us for our short time together. :)

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2 years + here & I still stumble across new stuff like this. God I love my job. There are a few references to size, looks, & what I refer to as the esthetically redundant. So for those who feel somehow inadequate in any physical area, please hear this: Women are different. We just are. Not better or worse. Different. Men are visual, visceral beings: Nice tits, great ass, look at those legs. They are what they are. I accept it & have no resentments. Could be because I have huge tits, a great ass & the same calves as when I was 16. It also could be that I had an Army asshole for a father who schooled both of his vagina sporting kids the ways of the world, so I am a realist with a thick skin. Y'all are kinda foul, whatever, lol! The fact is that my gender lean toward the deeper, more emotion based way of dealing with others. Again, not better, just different. We need kindness, manners, humour, cleanliness, respect for our boundaries, a show of some sort that you want US, not just a hole that gets your dick wet. Be it personal or in this world, it is TRULY how we feel. So your pot bellied, bald headed, 6 inch, non Mandigo winkie, geeky clothed, nervous, unsure, shy, quiet, can't stay hard for 4 hours, wish I went down better, I'm not a movie star, whatever, I promise you, I promise you, I promise you, it is all absolutely adorable to us. And so inconsequential. As long as you are good guys, the rest just happens. Trust me, if I felt otherwise, simply check out my posts; you would most assuredly know. Let yourselves off the hook, if you are nice, we will like you. And you will feel it! Sandi

Rather sad, I think, that this topic needs to be aired out. Seeking to negotiate or agreeing to negotiate the donation smacks of cheapness if not desperation. How could either of these things be perceived as attractive? By either side?! I don't know about the rest of you, but being attracted to, and being attractive for, my provider of choice matters a lot to me, making for a worthwhile experience.

Agreed. I keep my phone in another room actually, on silent. so I wouldn't even know if it was going off.

Are there SP`s/Escorts that would still consider wearing Pantyhose for a "Rendezvous" or has this Fashion gone with time and "Thigh Highs"... Thigh Highs look wonderfully sexy also, but you don`t see women and girls wearing beautiful sheer pantyhose anymore...

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There are many reasons to do this and as long as the reasons are good for you and important to you, then they are good reasons and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. As was already said, attraction and beauty aren't just skin deep. Attitude, manners, sense of humor, enjoyment, openness, hygiene, a positive attitude etc. all play into making someone attractive to others. Don't sell yourself short based on what you think you see in the mirror. Most of us have a skewed perception of ourselves anyway. Most SP's will welcome you with open arms and treat you wonderfully as long as you follow their personal guidelines and the common ones of being respectful, clean and friendly. Nerves will be present but don't let that stop you from jumping on board and experiencing something wonderful. Browse ads and profiles and find someone who appeals to you then begin a conversation. Follow your intuition and enjoy!

This is a question for everyone. I'm curious at what point in the process of arranging an encounter are your nerves most on edge? Though perhaps 'anticipatory' or 'expectant' would be a better word. Basically, when does your heart start to beat just a little bit faster? For me, it's actually the wait after I send an initial email/pm that gives me a bit of the jitters. I spend what is probably a silly amount of time writing, rewriting, editing, deleting, going for a walk, and then writing again that first message. And I still end up wondering if I didn't include enough information. Or perhaps too much! Or inadvertently said something inappropriate. I still find myself holding my breath a moment each time I check my messages to see if there's been a reply. And my pulse never fails to pick up when one does arrive!

I believe common courtesy and good manners should be shown to everyone at all times. Respect I believe is earned over time IMHO. I had a lot of respect for my father who passed in 1999. I respect my Mother and brothers and sisters, even though we may have different views on things, even occasional arguments, friends that I've known for years, and some for a shorter time than that. I really believe respect is something that develops over time. Sometimes we may even lose respect for someone we had respect for due to circumstances that happen.

so thats what you were doing down there..

I have been in far too many boardroom meetings in my lifetime. I hate meetings to be honest !!! I am usually quiet at meetings until there is something I really need to address. Something that fascinates me is this.... There are people that believe they are well respected, powerful and like to hear themselves talk....constantly. When you look around the room there are some people yawning, or checking their phones etc.... until the blowbag is done. Then there are those certain people who remain quiet and pay attention and listen to the meeting and the agenda.....and when they speak up the room goes silent and everyone is listening to them !!!! True respect in my experience needs to be earned in the most part. This is just an example that always comes to mind when the word respect comes up. Respect can come from your knowledge that you retain and share, your work ethic, your ethics and beliefs (business or personal) and so on. On Cerb here.....I respect many many many of you ladies and gents. When you think about it....there are always certain members here that you ALWAYS click on their post when you see their names. Because you respect them and their opinions as they have gained your respect. and I don't mean my posts either !!!!! ha they are silly.

Really and it's my opinion only, but that is bad manners. Fortunately one I've rarely encountered. When you go to see a lady, or she comes to see you at your hotel, that time is for you and her...not some prospective client texting As for the tip, leave the tip at the end, that way if absolutely a poor encounter, don't tip A rambling RG

The answer to your question, is a definitive yes. Assume it applies to all ladies. Absence of having it specifically stated or written does not automatically constitute an invitation to negotiate. It would serve all clients well from an SP client positive interaction standpoint to always, unless informed explicitly otherwise, assume rates are non-negotiable. Ask yourself, in a situation where I would assume you as a client are seeking out an SP for a pleasurable experience, is it worth the risk for the sake of 20 bucks to jeopardize a potentially mind blowing experience. The fact remains that for ALL of these ladies (non-negotiators and negotiators alike) the better you treat them as a client and the more they feel valued as a woman the better experience you will have. (YMMV) I personally always seek the most pleasurable experience possible and quite frankly can't grasp why anyone would ever want to do anything that might even slightly taint that experience.

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In my mind there are two types of respect, personal respect and positional respect. Positional respect is exactly that ie CEO I may respect the position but think that the person filling it is a complete idiot LOL. Hmmmm......After Vittos comment I'm questioning myself. Perhaps I do tend to automatically give respect up front and then only remove it if the person does something that I deem worthy of loss of respect. Thanks Vitto!

Welcome Fleshprop to Cerb. One thing I would point out. Not everyone works 24/7. Sometimes we take time off. Sometimes this time is pre-planned and we usually announce this. Other times it is spur of the moment, and so there might not be an announcement. Sometimes technology fails, and we can't get to our emails (or text messages or pm's), or we are not in a position to answer our inquiries within a reasonable amount of time. It is ok to resend your email if you don't get a response. Make sure you are following her protocol. Most ladies require specific information before they will respond. Always be respectful in your inquiries. The one thing you did not include in your options are the recommendations on this board. That is usually a great starting point for your search. Now, one more post, and you come out of moderation. Have a great day!

Miss Laurence, I did understand the greek symbol ρ (rho) is often used torefer to density and that your original equation was the correct equation for density = mass divided by volume. Also, you were indeed correct in your inference that when volume is less than mass and in particular when volume is approaching zero, density does move to infinity. This scenario that you are describing is commonly known in astrophysics as a black hole. I found your equation post so hilarious because not only did you convey in an unusual form that the posters question was not enlightened but you also described that this thread is quite becoming a black hole, whether you realized it or not. (Seriously, it's so witty and quick that I still giggle at it.) Now, I must apologize to you for taking my own liberties and modifying the variables of this equation to suit my own needs and try to make a silly post of my own. I had no intention to discount you point at all, just have some fun with it. I'll have to be excused for letting the typical man in me come out, thinking that I knew what to say better than others. As Miss Evans pointed out, when it comes to the business models and pricing of all you ladies that choose to offer your companionship to us gents you, and only you are the A (alpha) and Ω (omega) (beginning and end) of the discussion. For those silent majority out there and any other newbies who read this thread I'll say that in a environment where pleasure is (or should be) the ultimate goal of a client, it's not worth it to risk tainting what could be a fantastic human experience to satisfy your inclination to haggle or negotiate. If haggling is what ultimately gives you your kicks, go to a flea market instead it's much more cost effective. If pleasure is your ultimate goal then find a lady that appeals to you, grab a fat wad of cash that you know is at least twice what the rate that she might charge then contact her. For you newbies I added the little tip of having at least twice her rate because trust me there is nothing worse than enjoying your time with a lady and finding that you're having so much fun then having to just up and leave with a feeling of wanting more. By having twice her rate then you be in a position to ask her to extend the date for another hour. Trust me from experience, you'll be glad you did. Just pay up and have fun.

As a new member you do have a learning curve ahead of you. Once your a member for a while and have contributed then you can make suggestions on how to make the site better but for now how about exploring the site and a little less complaining (Not really off to a good start). The site is complex and has a vast amount of info and features, if it's too far over your head either take it slow or the alternative is just choose not to support the site and find another place to frequent that is easier for you. Would that not be the best suggestion?

No, not at all. Ladies when they need a quick buck or when business slows many will run "Specials" where they voluntarily drop price for a short time and do higher volume of calls.... they do this themselves and not from someone trying to negotiate. It's supply and demand. A house is a TANGIBLE item not a "SERVICE" and most certainly not a SERVICE that is this personal. Your probably not going to go into your lawyer, doctor, accountant, etc... and negotiate a rate (however I am sure some of you would try). When dealing with a escort they are not selling a tangible item and not selling a standard service either, they are selling a very personal service. Bottom line here (as you can see from the ladies responses and the true gentleman's replies) it is NOT acceptable here to negotiate rates. Bottom Line. Unless the lady states she is negotiable in her ad you probably should not try to negotiate (you may find yourself blacklisted for doing so as well from the looks of some posts). I think we have educated the guys with this thread.... lets hope.

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Some Black and White Photos from EmilyJ's album:

If you no longer work with an agent, but still use their pic's as a " location" .... time to update your album:) Vice versa of course...hehehe :pimp:

Please disregard my penetration idea if the lady is not wearing pantyhose that are totally sheer ;)

I love anything nylon on my legs. I absolutely adore the feeling of nylon on skin. Whether it is panty hose or thigh highs. I originally started wearing pantyhose. My very first call was with a client who loved ripping a hole in the pantyhose. I was told this ahead of time. I actually went out and bought a new pair for this encounter. Of course, the pair I bought were control tops. They were silky and shiny. I loved them. They made me feel extra sexy and so slim. When it came time to bust a hole in my panty hose, it was impossible. Those things are made to resist tearing and puncturing. I didn't buy the cheap ones, they were the best of the best in pantyhose. Of course, this was my first call, and I really didn't know what to do. We were finally able to rip a hole, and the rest of the call was great. However, I resolved from that point, to buy thigh highs. I could wear them after all my other clothing was off. I still got to feel the nylon on my legs while being ...... So, of course, I could have gone out and bought cheap stockings, but I would not be able to experience the feeling of nylon. Even without the ripping a hole in my crotch issue, I would have to take them off to experience..... So, if you truly love pantyhose instead of thigh highs, ask. We would gladly oblige. It gives me an excuse to go out and buy a new pair of pantyhose. What is your favorite color??? Mine are charcoal black. I love the color difference of my skin.

Thank you Pete we love you!!

When you turn you hair green, I don't like to overly shock! :icon_smile::icon_smile::icon_smile:

You've got a sexy new tat to show off. Update your album.

This thread seems to have morphed into a discussion of marketing strategy and more specifically pricing strategy. There are numerous pricing strategies that a business can adopt. Some of them have relevance to this industry, most don't. Selling "Price" If what you are "selling" is "price", it is difficult to be successful in any business. In general you're likely to attract clients who place more importance on low price and less importance on the quality of the service or product. As a result, those clients will generally be on the lookout for a "better" (i.e. lower) price. It makes customer retention difficult and encourages a race to the bottom of the market. Furthermore, in this industry, when a woman has to raise her rates (which has to happen sometime, even though it hasn't happened overall in the industry in quite a while), the client will likely go elsewhere. So if you've reduced prices and therefore your revenue and you don't have any significant cost cutting options to offset the reduced revenue, what do you do? The standard "marketing" response to this situation would be to increase the volume of sales. That's not so easily done in this industry for obvious reasons. Several women in this and other threads have described the unique challenges of being a service provider while maintaining their physical/emotional health and privacy etc. In addition, screening clients has been discussed on numerous occasions as a necessary step for personal safety and security. The higher the volume, the less time there is to do this properly and the greater the risks to the service provider. I think some are arguing that any customers receiving a price cut don't represent revenue loss, they represent new revenue from new customers the service provider wouldn't otherwise have. That's only correct if the service provider wants to increase the number of clients she sees in a day/week. Most commenting on this thread appear to be low volume service providers (whatever that number might be) and prefer to find other ways of optimizing their revenue (e.g. longer appointments, more frequent repeat clients or unique date activities). The whole idea behind the Girl Friend Experience for example is to provide intellectual and emotional interaction with the client that goes beyond just the sexual activity. Many clients place a substantial value on this. What Does Success Look Like? So what does success in a small business look like? The business is sustainable, with good customer retention (loyal regular/occasional customers). The business owner has good control over the costs relative to their revenues. And finally, there has to be sufficient profit to live comfortably. This includes a work life balance allowing sufficient time/money to enjoy recreation, family, friends and save for long term goals (e.g. go to school, start another business etc). Yes, I understand that not everyone is able to achieve all of this in life. It's been noted in previous threads that there is a high turnover of service providers in this industry. Most last only a few months to a couple of years. Most of the women who have posted on this thread however have been in this business for several years. Without knowing all of them personally, they appear by my definition to be successful. In part, though not exclusively, their success appears to be due to sticking with their pricing strategy and understanding who they seek as customers. It also appears to be based upon understanding their clients and being able to add value through services such as GFE. I think they are just trying to communicate an appreciation of that. This forum is unique in that the curtain is drawn back and allows clients to gain some insider appreciation of "the business". I think all business relationships are enhanced when clients have some appreciation of what it takes to achieve and sustain a successful business.

I read somewhere that in Manhattan during the 20s, the rich were obsessed with building the tallest tower. Basically, it's "mine's bigger then yours". We do live in a society which praises large penises (never mind that a good number of women might find it painful, a large dick is a trophy that you carry around), large boobs, hairless chests (on guys), a healthy head of hair, and the list goes on. Treat an escort well, with respect and kindness and a good escort will make you feel fan-fucking-tastic. Give a choice between a douchebag sporting a Ron Jeremy sized dick, and a nice guy who is below average, she's going to pick the latter any day of the week. I had my own set of insecurities before. And I can't say I let them go immediately, but after a few visits, those insecurities stopped being important to me. Don't let this penis size issue worry you too much. And if you feel conscious about it, listen carefully to anything she says when you go down on her, and learn how to give great massages. There are many ways to please a lady then having a large member. Relax, have fun, be happy. Repeat.

Awww I wish I could even consider going :( darn school! Ps. I totally just read your entire post in the voice of Austin Powers ;) "Oh behave!"

That's where you come in. You have to understand the difference between a professional encounter and an encounter with someone with whom you have built a bond. It's easy to develop an emotional attachment to people with whom you have exposed yourself physically. It's absolutely okay to like them, hell, even love them BUT you have to go in with the proviso that this is a professional situation. If needs be, think of it this way. When you go into a tremendously frightening movie, you give yourself the affirmation "this is only a movie, it's not real." It's mental trickery, but it works. An encounter is much the same thing. You enjoy the benefits of a physical relationship with someone you enjoy, but at the end of the session you part as a customer and she as a provider. It was a transaction. Hope this helps!

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RG is correct! Here's a thread that might give you some ideas: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=142222 As for asking the lady how much time will be spent texting? That shouldn't even be a question to ask before an encounter lol but I guess if you have to, it would depend on who you decide to contact... As others have said, texting during an intimate encounter is not acceptable and it clearly shows a lack of professionalism and respect towards the gentleman.

I'd love to take a tumble with Doreah...she is delicious! Throw in Khaleesi and Kahl and I'll be off and running.....side of IMP to!

I'll say everyone deserves courtesy and politeness. My respect FOR someone has to be gained, but I will always address and interact with someone in a respectful WAY.

I think the word "respect" is way over used these days. In some ways it seems to have become confused with what I feel is common courtesy and good manners. Therefore in my world while I'll always be polite and kind to any one I meet, "respect" however will need to be earned. Peace MG

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Good morning, I had a lovely visit in Saint John and wanted to say thank you for such a wonderful time. It is only fitting as I am leaving that it is pouring rain. See you in the fall xoxo Emily

@Mod: You wrote :......"anyone prices themselves out of a market they will move to a better market or they will lower rates... But... That has nothing to do with negotiating" Okay Mod, You do have a point - the lady can move to a better market or reduce her prices. But wouldn't a provider unilaterally reducing her prices make her appear vulnerable to hobbyists(who may think she is not getting enough clients) and so perversely seek to take advantage of such a provider? Why wouldn't she approach each potential encounter bearing in mind its own set of conditions, even if it should be necessary to negotiate? And remember, Mod, moving away may not be an option for everyone. Additional Comments: @nlwoodchuck: am I to blame if Gabriella made an error, even if only a typo, in her post? I can only go on what has been written as I have no way of getting into her head. As for your attempts to belittle me please chill. Though I have defended my position vigorously, I have been courteous to all.

Tomorrow is CMJ's Luau Party!! We all work hard, so tomorrow lets take a little time to relax!! Whether you are looking to have a glass of wine and get to know each other for a moment, or if you want to schedule a private encounter for two in a private room this is your perfect opportunity!! Come meet a true adult companion... One whose pleasure comes from providing you with an escape. I will take away your stress and put you at ease as I take you to the heights of pleasure. Each experience with me is built upon a real connection and a mutual respect. I do not offer a menu of services, I guide our experience to something that is natural and fulfilling based on our feelings in the moment. Come experience my sexy 32DD 24 34 body... toned with soft feminine curves. Guests are always welcome and encouraged, PM me for info.. Tomorrow 12 - 4 (Luau Party) Call 613-523-6199 or PM

I soooooo wish I could attend :) Would be such a blast !! I hope all is well with Lex but this is an event you folks have looked forward to so go out and have a fantabulous time !!!! I may have accidentally or on purpose bought the ladies a drinkie or two ;) Guys you are on your own ! ;) hehe Have fun folks !!! Envious here.

I'll start with part of a saying that I love "attachment is about desires and expectations. Once you begin having expectations beyond the basics you are into "wild" territory. As Old Dog said, remind yourself this is a mutually beneficial transaction of which sensual and sexual pleasures are exchanged. Keep your expectations realistic. If perhaps you do meet someone you have a connection with, ALWAYS remember that you can enjoy this connection and the feelings that go along with it but it's within the boundaries of the relationship that you discuss. If you find yourself more on the giving than receiving, that is a clear indication it's time to find another provider. If your emotions get out of control, find another provider or step back from things until you have a chance to think clearly. We are all people involved in this business and the same rules apply here as anywhere, emotions are felt it's what you do with them that counts. Know when to indulge and when to back off or walk away. You have yet to begin on this path, don't worry away great experiences. Think clearly and enjoy. Keep expectations realistic.

I am not going to choose one particular oon or even a couple........ Each lady writes what she thinks she likes and puts herself out there with every word. Posted via Mobile Device

Well I have to join those who say this is not a double life. I have been involved with SPs/MAs for many years in Canada and abroad ( some that will read this weren't born when I saw my first SP lol) and I am not ashamed of that. I might even add that I have develop some great friendships with some of the ladies I met. I actually had one SP over to visit my family last year. Sure never told them she was an sp but that's just so she could be judge for who she is not what she does to earn a living. I strongly believe in judging people by who they are not what they do. Unfortunately society in this part of the world is not there yet. Many would learn from travelling to Europe as we seem to be 30 years behind here. So although I don't talk to family about this part of my life, I cherish and am damn proud of the friendships I made over the years!!!

There's another thing that all you studs should consider. Not all of the encounters an SP has in the course of her day are satisfying for her. She has a job to do and most of the ladies here do it well. Not all clients are interested in making sure the lady is well satisfied and I'm sure there are times when the lady is not all that turned on by the client. A BF, significant other or just a FWB is probably what most SPs have to rock their world in the sack....