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I just picked up a leftover chicken skewer from dinner, and as I'm alone, I pulled the chicken off with my fingers. Finding my fingers then greasy, I wiped them on my skirt. Yup, I wiped my greasy fingers on my clothing. I have eaten the berries out of the bottom of a jam jar for dinner when it was all I had to eat in the house. I will also regularly eat popcorn for dinner, and when I get to the bottom, I wipe up the extra butter/salt with pieces of popcorn. Yup, keeping is classy... that's me ;) Any 'non-classy' habits you have in secret that you'd like to share? I'm sure I'm not the only one :)

Online writings and pictures gives us a glimpse of a persons personality but certainly doesn't give us the right to say we know them. To know anyone you'd have to meet them, talk to them personally, hear their voice, see their facial expressions, body movements, how they live, dress, treat the public, contribute to society, spend time with them. Getting to know anyone is a journey and doesn't happen overnight. Here is a site that I find interesting posts on how to know and understand people:) You might like it too. http://www.psychologytoday.com/collections/201302/how-read-people

The only thing you can know about a person, whether through a board/email or in person is what that person feels safe and comfortable revealing about him/herself. Whether what they reveal about themselves makes you know them is in large based on trust. If they reveal little about themselves doesn't necessarily make them untrustworthy, it just means they don't feel safe enough or are open enough to share. But the person they are with may not be open or willing to share But in a board like this, with few exceptions (ladies I have seen ;-) ) we are all really anonymous board handles. And some can be really "brave" behind a computer screen, yet in person a sniveling wimp. (I know a manager at work, bravely barks orders through emails, but in person, cowers down when challenged) A rambling for whatever it's worth RG

I have/had this arrangement with some regular in the past. It give me x amount at one shot, then receive a discount/or longer time when they see me. I only do so to people that see me on a regular base in Toronto (or was in Ottawa) and not when I tour different cities...especially since I don't tour constantly. Nor do I except said regular to see me x times a month for that amount because I am student and I tour. I cannot guarantee that at least one wednesday a month I will be in town (for example if that's their day) But...as a client bringing a retainer idea in the mix may be a bit tricky. I was always the one who brought it first since it was more convinent for me. For now you could be enjoying Jane Doe at 300/hr but how is it in 6 months? She could be "expecting" your 1500$ a month (no idea who she is, how much her rates his and etc) but as an SP when you realize that you are relying on a fix incoming for someone...can be hard. You can stop tomorrow. or in 3 years. Just my random 2 cents( which is now worth...zero derp)

Funerals are for the benefit of the survivors. Attending a funeral does not mean that approved of the deceased's actions. Making a point of NOT going doesn't send any message to the dead person. You go to support your other family members.

I love that you thought of your mom. But there are no rules to how we should respond to our feelings, or there shouldn't be. If you felt like sending this lovely sounding woman you recently met flowers, then you should have. I think it's a beautiful thing to be expressive in what ever way you see fit and are comfortable with. How the receiver responds is on them. Good intentions shouldn't be questioned, imo. Happy Valentines day

this is exactly what I was thinking as I read through this thread.....forgiving is about letting go of your anger and hurt....it is not about giving peace to someone else....that is their responsibility.... Forgiveness doesn't mean that life goes back to where it was....it doesn't mean you ever allow that person to be in the position to hurt you again...it just means you let go....

I feel that screening of both clients AND providers will become much more important. No more of taking chances with new providers that no one has seen. Those providers that have a verified presence will continue to do well. However, those new ones just starting out and have no presence will have difficulties. Just my thought.

You two need to get a room! :thedeed:

When guests are here... We drink out of gold trimmed crystal but when I'm alone I use mason jars and straws liberated in bulk from Harveys. I wear silk and Jimmy Choos to entertain but when I'm alone I live in a oversized red onesie with a trap door and moccasins I entertain with amazing cheeses and exotic fruits displayed like magazine food with linen napkins but when I'm alone I live on egg salad and bacon out of a tupperware container. In the winter, I only shower when I have a playdate. The rest of the time, a sink bath suffices otherwise my skin would dry out and fall off. When I walk out the door as Catherine St.Claire I channel Catherine Deneuve or Jackie Onassis. When I walk my dog, I wear long johns, camo and wellies or a vintage crazy homeless lady 1960's fake fur coat and hat with Hush Puppy boots topped with my reading glasses so I can read my bb while waiting for him to finish. I serve gourmet coffee with cream to guests, make instant with protein powder when I'm alone. Basically when I'm alone, I look like my housekeeper and live like the simple, wrong side of the tracks girl that I was born. I don't apologize when someone catches me being less than my classy self because I actually think I make mason jars and camo look good! cat

I drink OJ right out of the jug I lick cookie batter with a passion and enthusiast that is..yeah...shameful. I go RIGHT DOWN there in the mixer. I eat broccoli with fingers. Full spoon of peanut butter is the best thing I sometime toss clean clothes on the floor when I didn,t fold them yet and they are on my bed

Agree with you 100 percent. When my family did to me what they did (four months ago today to be exact) I felt and still feel a sense of betrayal, hurt, anger, shock, and mistrust. Feelings which I still have to this day. Forgive them, why for f*cks sake should I, forget them (not what they did) well I see less and less of them and that's the way I'm liking it RG

Interesting topic. I'd like to propose a dissenting viewpoint, however. I think it is possible to get a sense of people from their writing and posts, though of course with exceptions. I'd agree that typically in person you can find out even more about someone, especially after time and multiple interactions. However, in my experience there's many people I've first met through online forums, and more often than not if we meet up in person I absolutely recognize aspects of the persona I pictured from their writing. In fact, in some cases you can learn more about someone from their posts. There's people I know who are very shy and quiet in person, and it can be very difficult to get a sense of their beliefs, preferences, ideas, etc. But they are in fact much more open and confident in their writing, and I learn much more about their thoughts and personality through that medium than I do in person. Sometimes--for good or bad--people are more revealing of their true selves through their writing than they are in person. It is true that people have more choice of what to share of themselves in their posts, but I'd say this is also the case in person as well. Sometimes someone can be a real charmer in person and in fact more easily fool you about their true personality. Again, I'm not suggesting that overall meeting in person is more revealing, and that it takes time to get to know someone better. In many cases the points being made by everyone are true. I just wanted to offer a different perspective for consideration.

I agree with everything mentioned so far. the one thing I do disagree with because it personally impacts me, is the basic guidelines to body language. Because there actually IS a guideline and most are along the same lines, people mistakenly believe they are truth when they are not. They are a guideline for a reason, a starting point. To make my point, take the arms crossed in front of your body. Many guidelines state this a non verbal communication for stay away or unapproachable. I have met many wonderful approachable people who do this because it's comfortable. the one I dislike because it has personally affected me in both personal and business settings is the whole "look away to the left or right". One denotes a lie while the other denotes thoughtfulness. Unfortunately my 'thinking" goes the opposite way so have been told that people believe I'm lying when I'm actually thinking....and no, I'm not thinking of a lie! lol Point is, as was briefly mentioned, getting to know someone takes time and effort and you may never know "all" of someone" because we are definitely not a full disclosure species. Even the things mentioned such as being one way behind a computer screen and another in person, can tell you something. Sometimes people feel powerful and confident when they are alone but lose that with others. They may not even be aware of it. It all tells a story if you care to listen.

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Irrespective of what we think, do you think police are going to be given bigger budgets to target clients seeing escorts/courtesans. And they will need bigger budgets. My guess LE focus is still going to be on street prostitution. Those prostitutes they can see. I think seeing professional companions who operate discretely are for the most part going to be ignored because they are out of sight. Anyhow, not going to judge or worry about it, not a bridge we have crossed yet. A quick off the cuff rambling RG

Nordic laws won't fly... Regardless of what media says. I am waiting to see how things play out before jumping to conclusions.

Me too!!!!!!

I dont think we could ever truly no someone...Even if you have known the person for years, you may think you know them quite well, but everyone has something there hiding, or not revealing; everyone has one or many skeletons in their closet Thanks Christy for posting that link, it was extremely interesting and I very much enjoyed reading all the many articles from that page

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Well my guess is if your not having problems in other cities where you tour, your not doing anything wrong. As has already been suggested, maybe request a deposit prior to a tour to Ottawa/Pembroke. Some cities and towns for some reason???...seem to be famous, well infamous for no shows. If guys want ladies to continue to tour to their cities /towns they will do their part to make their city/town attractive to a lady to tour to. No shows are unattractive to a lady, and a sure way to have a city/town put on a lady's no tour list. And deposits, well really shouldn't be an issue. If a guy is truly serious about seeing a lady paying a deposit is just using some of the money he would use to pay the lady anyways and paying her ahead of time. It's not an extra charge. Me, when possible, I pay a lady in full ahead of the encounter, even ladies I have yet to meet in person Anyhow a rambling Good luck RG

I trusted three people...family, two I've known all my life, one I've known for thirty years, and they turned my life upside down literally...so I no longer trust them, nor will I ever trust them. What they did an absolute betrayal and left me feeling hurt, not to mention the mess they made of my life. I have four friends that I trust without reservation. Three of those friends are "civilian", one is a very special lady that I met in this lifestyle. Outside of these four friends, I know a lot more people who I trust in varying degrees but now only four I trust without reservation. A morning rambling RG

Once upon a time, I, like Ice4fun, trusted everyone unless they gave me a reason not to. Unfortunately all to often, they did. Over the years, I've learned to be more objective about who I trust. I regard this industry very differently. There are a few women in this industry who I trust completely. I would trust them with anything. They have shown me I can. There are others, SP's or clients, who have shown me I can't. I proceed with guarded caution which is very out of my element. However, it is usually easy to tell and therefore easy to figure who I can and cannot trust. It has a lot to do with actions, AND with words. Be it to me, others, in ads, posts on message boards, treatment of others, etc. I certainly don't default to "trust no one unless they show me i can" - as I would go crazy with paranoia and suspicion. Instead, I approach lightly, ask questions, pay attention. It always presents itself to me one way or the other. There are few people in my life who I trust explicitly and those I do I regard with the highest admiration and respect because to be able to completely trust someone... to be 100% of who you are, share all of your thoughts, dreams, fantasies, fears, hopes, etc. Is a wonderful gift that person has given you as should be tended and appreciated so it may stand the tests of time. That also means making sure they feel the same of you. Trust cannot be one sided.

My deep thoughts on retainers might be I suppose...... I love DATY :Cunning:..... and I also like to live dangerously ;) oops Hi :oops: Jack

Again, great insight from different perspectives. As I anticipated there's lots of different views and positions on this and I'm glad I put it out there for discussion. Although there can be mutual positives from this scenario, the last thing I would want is to be thought of as haggling. Definitely need to tread softly around this one. Thanks everyone.

I have had one arrangement like this. It quickly became one sided (not my side) and ended poorly. Just be careful.

Both. Neither. Depends.

She more than he Myself more than them. Your thread doesn't say much. i trust more my emotions and instincts than those of others.

My two cents... If you have already been seeing her regularly and paying full price, why would she want to take less from you for more work/time for her? Regular income is lovely. But this entire concept can be a VERY slippery slope. You suggesting the "discount" is insulting. I agree with RG in the sense that you could approach this woman and suggest that you'd like to pay an amount monthly for set weekly times. But honestly that removes any "flexibility" for her, and in busy times, she may lose business. It cannot be up to you to define the rules. This is HER business, and if she wants to offer a reduced rate for such an arrangement, or offer more time "off the clock" so to speak, that has to be HER decision. Not yours. Remember - yes, this is a business relationship - but we are human beings - who spend A LOT of money to be part of this industry, and we are not the dollarama or a pawn shop. We aren't a bargain to be haggled over. Be very careful... And be mindful that you do not put her in a position where she feels taken advantage of. I understand and appreciate your desire to want to offer her a bit of stability... But less pay from you means more pay from someone else to pay bills and put food on the table :) Just my opinion!

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I am back into my wheelchair and on my crutches again for the first time in a long time. However, there is no snow in the forecast so I won't have to go outside and shovel while sitting on my ass, which I have done before! As well, if you have to have a week of basically sitting around, what better week than in the middle of the winter Olympics!

My mother passed away recently. There had always been tension between my mother and her family. My Aunts did not want to attend the funeral or reception but they did. Other people at the funeral told them wonderful stories about my mother. This helped them with their closure and gave them a sense of peace and forgiveness. Forgiving someone who has done you wrong can be a bitter pill to swallow. Your first reaction is probably to hold on to your anger and to blame the person who caused you pain. This is natural. However, what you must understand is that holding on to hurt and anger causes you more pain than the person your anger is directed towards. For this reason, it is necessary to forgive - not for the other person, but for yourself. In order to forgive, it is necessary to let go of all the negative emotions you harbor towards the other person. Anger, hurt, betrayal, bitterness, regret - you need to find an outlet for all of these bad feelings, otherwise they will fester and cause you further pain. Remember, you are not doing this to ease the other person's conscience or to condone their actions, you are doing it to allow yourself to heal and move forward.

I'm looking for some genuine opinions from gents and ladies as to the best way to approach and ask a lady if she'd be willing to to agree to a "retainer". So we all know that negotiating rates is VERY bad. However, I have a bit of a quandary. I don't want to be seen as negotiating or haggling but I've been thinking that perhaps I might want to approach a lady about placing her on a retainer. I've met her many times, I like her, I trust her, and I want to continue seeing her for the foreseeable future on a regular basis. So here's where my thoughts are; In essence it would be that I would pay the lady upfront at the beginning of the month a predetermined fixed amount representing compensation for one date per week (four dates per month) at a pre-scheduled date and time. (It's easier for me to schedule my life rather than just fly by the seat of my pants, the rest of my life is scheduled a month in advance plus I always like to play from 12 to 2 in the day). Because I am willing to pay upfront for all dates for the month I'm thinking that it would be nice if I could receive some additional benefit like receiving 1.5 hours for the same rate as 1 hour. Now as you can see in this scenario lies the risk that I might be seen as trying to negotiate rather than develop a mutually beneficial arrangement. I'd like to explore this, but if the risk is that the lady takes offense to this proposition and blacklists me I don't want to bring it up. So I'd appreciate some honest opinions from those who might have some experience in this area and if your honest opinion is that I'm "out to lunch" then I want to hear that too. Bottom line I don't want to mess up a good thing, just maybe make it better. Thanks

Just like in the US, P411 and Date Check will have to be more widely used here.

Despite what the politicians say right now, most of that is to appease the abolitionists and make it look like they are doing something. They have no appetite for making this an issue. Also they will not implement the Nordic model. They know it has the same inherent issues that the over turned sections of the Criminal Code had. It brings back a prohibition on bawdy houses, living off the avails and to some extent the soliciting provision. All that will do is bring the issue back to the front page, where they don't want it to be. The first charge that is laid will be overturned by the first judge that sees the case. Judges don't like having their convictions reversed or judgements overturned, which will happen if they try and convict with the Nordic model. Regardless of what you think of them, most politicians are not stupid, and realize that this is the same laws in a different guise. They cannot let sexworkers work legally and then put the same restrictions in place, which is how the Nordic model works. They will either outright criminalize all aspects or regulate the trade. It is their only two real options.

Very true Brad and I agree with this.

Trust is a very hard thing to come by nowadays, I mean I trust a lot of people on various levels, but I dont think I can fully trust anyone, I have had family and very close friends, who have betrayed me on levels that are not even worth thinking about...I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt when I first meet them, however if you give me a reason not to trust you, you will never be able to gain that back Once Trust is broken, it cant be repaired

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Family rife is more commonplace than I reaIized , I thought I was the only one that came from dysfunction, lol. I too have a sister that is no longer a part of my life and find this heartbreaking. As I don't find evicting family from my life easy, nor comfortable. But some people are so stubborn, self righteous and unforgiving so....

Please do not be offended by this as I mean it in the most kind way possible... THANK YOU ALL for making me feel the most classy I have ever felt!

Watching Hockey on the couch in my underwear eating girkin pickles right out of the bottle.... nothing but classy here. it's no wonder the ladies are beating down my door. Lolololol

I personally do want to visit the Territories, for my own self and hey touring to pay the travel? Why not! but I looked at previous post on this board and other. Some ladies offer some date and they would go with deposit, as it's a LOng way out for touring SP. Plus i was looking at hotel, most seem to be rather small and in cities of 20 000 and under...and I would imagine people saying I kknow someone that work in this hotel...

Over easy - and turkey bacon :) Mild salsa or hot salsa?

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