When is it considered overselling

[CristyCurves 169032]

How much information is considered to much or not enough,when a girl describes herself, and do hobbyists feel it is oversell when a girl uses to many descriptive words like :classy,vip,elite,upscale,"the best",top notch,ect,let me know what you think.

[brockvilleman 615]

How much information is considered to much or not enough,when a girl describes herself, and do hobbyists feel it is oversell when a girl uses to many descriptive words like :classy,vip,elite,upscale,"the best",top notch,ect,let me know what you think.

like all advertising, i guess the person has to make thier point to the type of person they are looking for. for me on my limited budget when i see the words, up scale, or elite, i pass them by . i owuld like tol see them post rates and an idea of where they are, like downtown, east or west end as well as some photos when you look up thier personal info. i often pm them to find out, but most often i am disappionted that i cannt afford them. oh well. once you find someone with in your budget , you just have to meet them and see if you click. sometimes you do, sometimes you dont.guess it is just like all advertising, sometimes you like it sometimes you dont.

[backrubman 64800]

How much information is considered to much or not enough,when a girl describes herself, and do hobbyists feel it is oversell when a girl uses to many descriptive words like :classy,vip,elite,upscale,"the best",top notch,ect,let me know what you think.

 

I have found that if the advertisement says she is everything to everyone, I'm less inclined to believe it or take it at face value. If it's all over the place there is no sense of "focus". Of course it's hard to beat a good review (and CERB is a review board first). Who can say they are "the best"? There is always somebody better, but when a review says they are "the best" then I have to accept that they are "the best" the reviewer has encountered.

 

But if the ad uses way too many complementary words, it's either not true or she probably isn't really great at many of them (a true chameleon being the exception), I guess that would be over selling. Of course always use the words "utmost discretion guaranteed" and mean it.

 

I like ads that appear to be honest, tasteful and point to reviews that speak for themselves. They only need to contain the basic information with a "hint" of any thing she might specialize in or be particularly good at.

 

I guess I really view ads as a notice of availability and don't really try to interpret them too much anyways (unless they are way over the top, too good to be true), it's the reviews matched with the availability that the ad conveys that count.

 

Truth in advertising is definitely the way to go. You'll attract the right sort of clients for you and they will give good reviews as their expectations are fully met.

 

My tastes are probably different than many, I'm more interested in the person and how easily I can get to know them on a "professional" level. Others are likely way more interested in services but I can only get interested in that if I like the SP as a person first.

[Athos 108589]

I tend to take a lot of that with a grain of salt. I look for a correspondence between the descriptors and what I read in recos.

 

The only thing is not to overdo. Make sure you feel that the descriptors capture who you feel you are. Also, make sure there is a correspondence between the terms used and the advert overall. Sometimes you see adverts (not usually on CERB) that use terms like "elite" and "classy" and say that you could take the lady to a business function or elite dinner function, yet the ad is full of grammar and spelling mistakes. I'm not a grammar nazi, but it always makes me think, "nope ... I don't think those words mean what you think they do". The ad is how you've chosen to present yourself, so it can be very important how it's done.

 

Porthos

[backrubman 64800]

... Sometimes you see adverts (not usually on CERB) that use terms like "elite" and "classy" and say that you could take the lady to a business function or elite dinner function, yet the ad is full of grammar and spelling mistakes. I'm not a grammar nazi, but it always makes me think, "nope ... I don't think those words mean what you think they do".

Porthos

 

Oh such a good point porthos. I've seen ads that say she is highly educated with a university education or even a PhD but she can't spell or form a proper sentence. And as I do occasionally need a beautiful girl in an evening gown that looks like a match to my tuxedo for a formal dinner... well you make a very good point! I've seen this even on CERB and moved on pretty quickly.

[EmilyRushton 253346]

At the end of the day, your ads should be an enticing description about yourself. Use words that you understand the meaning of and use the term less is more when it comes to descriptive words.

 

Whether you write a long advert or just a short teaser, you want to get your point across clean and simple - yet interesting.

 

If you use more descriptive words to describe yourself you could be selling yourself short, as this is a fantasy, a second life and an escape, you want to entice - not scare away your potential guests. More and more gentlemen take the time to read what we write in our ads, if we sound too fake or too out of reach they will move on to the next lady.

 

Plus if you advertise as soft and sensual, yet all your recco's describe you as a dominate pse type of gal eventually it will catch up to you....

 

And as it'e been already stated, use spell check as some words when spelt wrong mean something completely different.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

If an SP is using words or phrases such as "top notch", "the Best", etc it usually is an indication that they are trying to oversell their services and a tall order to live up to if you ask me. If a potential client falls for this sort of advertising, they are bound to be disappointed. There is a reason a person will look at your ad. Something obviously caught their eye but if it is something like "I am the best", they may or may not believe it. Then again what is considered the best?

 

The words "classy", "VIP", "Elite" are often overused in my opinion and once again a way to make clients believe they are offering something that may be better. Now I know many SPs use this words and many may provide a great experience for clients while others just tend to throw it in there. It's just like the term GFE used in advertising which may or may not be true. All of these terms are common within the adult industry.

 

I find the best way to describe yourself is by being genuine. While we as SPs are offering a fantasy, if you let your audience know who you are as a person while describing your attributes in a way that reflects on your services, you will definitely create a buzz where they will want to know more. This will lead to more bookings. Everyone is intuitive to a certain extent and they can hone in on what is considered phony or fake. Your advertising should clear, concise and above everything else, keep it real! Be yourself and you will reap the rewards.

[Luckyme 41401]

At the end of the day, your ads should be an enticing description about yourself. Use words that you understand the meaning of and use the term less is more when it comes to descriptive words.

 

Whether you write a long advert or just a short teaser, you want to get your point across clean and simple - yet interesting.

 

If you use more descriptive words to describe yourself you could be selling yourself short, as this is a fantasy, a second life and an escape you want to entice, not scare away your potential guests. More and more gentlemen take the time to read what we write in our ads, if we sound too fake or too out of reach they will move on to the next lady.

 

Plus if you advertise as soft and sensual, yet all your recco's describe you as a dominate pse type of gal eventually it will catch up to you....

 

And as it'e been already stated, use spell check as some words when spelt wrong mean something completely different.

 

Well-said, Emily. For me too many descriptive words turn me off. A clear and concise description of yourself to me make more sense.

 

I'd prefer ads. in one color only. Too many font colors is just too confusing and a bit childish. I would like to see the rates and what are the limitations stated. This will save everyone some time.

[loopie 15358]

I tend to find endless superlatives fairly meaningless, especially when self-applied. I'm glad you think you're "the best", it's good to have confidence and all, but it does just feel like overselling. More qualitative adjectives are appreciate such as "gentle" or "dominant" etc. Describe the tone of your lovemaking. Are you the type to pamper a passive man or the type who wants to work up a sweat together.

 

There are things that I think every SP should put in their ads, both as a courtesy to their potential clientele and as a timesaver for themselves so that they don't have to answer endless inquiries. These are:

 

- Rates

- The hours you'll be working. If you know your schedule for the immediate future, it's probably a good idea to include that.

- What part of town you work in.

- Any commonly-demanded menu item restrictions such "no greek"

- Any types of clients you automatically refuse. For example, I know a lot of SPs will not see black men or young men. If you have these types of automatic restrictions on what types of clients you will see, you should probably be upfront about them and save everybody some time.

- Your screening process. If you are going to ask for references, say so.

- You should include a few clear photos of yourself. I know a lot of SPs have these more artsy photos that have been manipulated with photoshop after effects such as posterizing and dialing up the contrast. It's fine to have fun with your modelling and photography, but there should be at least one or two photos where I can get a good clear look at you.

- It's good to indicate your age or what age group you are in, especially if your photos do not show your face.

[ulixestrojan 3757]

I really do not like being sold. I do like to be enticed and intrigued. My response is usually to ads that are sincere, authentic, and humorous. Good reviews help. Personality helps. Pictures and clear, plain language explanation of offerings help.

 

Tell me who you are, tell me what you offer, connect to why we should connect. Anything more, in my reading of an ad is upselling.

[BarrhavenWoody 10776]

My suggestion is to be honest about who you are. Descriptive words are great, as long as they are accurate. Guys all have different things that they look for in a woman, so there will always be some that are interested in you (and some that won't). Tall, thin, curvy, younger, older - it doesn't matter. Just be honest and confident in who you are.

 

What we don't like it to be duped. We don't want to show up expecting one thing and finding a woman who is not at all like what was described.

 

Also, if your ad can give a little insight into your personality, it would help. This is usually the determining factor for me. A woman's personality and character is far more appealing than any of her physical features.

 

Just a few rambling thoughts...

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I have the same thinking as ER on this one. I think you need to be true to your ads...." as advertised.." to put it that way. It will catch up to you.

 

I have tried the PSE thing, but in short time I found that I was not PSE enough to support my advertising as such. Although somethings that I do, I consider PSE service, but not all the way. So I had come to am impasse with this form of service. I would rather offer what I feel most natural with rather than forcing it out of me. In the end the client will know if it is a natural service or not.

 

The word "Elite" does not necessarily mean you are more expensive ( although does suggest such in some cases ) but I take it as not taking every call that I get. I choose through carefully screening and from the personality that comes across in their inquiry. As expmple....

" how much baby" will not get a responds from me. As I am catering for gentlemen and provide a " date like experience" with the men whom I feel comfortable with. And whom meets my booking requirements.

" what is your donation expected for a GFE date?" This is the inquiry I will respond to. So for me, I may state "Elite"....meaning I will pick who I want to be with based on how they interact with me, not dollar value. This is my Elite.

 

But yes, If you are advertising as a sweetheart kind of girl, then yes you should be polite, soft spoken. But if you are more of dominate type, a wild child, then perhaps perhaps sweetheart may not be the right word??? If you are a rocker chick, then perhaps Sweet and nice may not fit??

 

" there is an a** for every seat" as said by a used car sales men, and holds true for this too. No shame in advertising as you are! I find it admirable for the ladies who are mature in age, or a voluptuois shapes or small chest, that speak honestly of their attributes...In the end of the day, you will been seen for who you are!

[backrubman 64800]

I am surprised that you think professional photographs show a persons attitude,confidence,I do find this interesting,as I would think the opposite,if I may explain,professional photos are usually the pros design,( in most cases),you are posed,professionally lit and air brushed,so I would think a lady that shows her "own " photo's would be considered creative as she is self posed,more natural,and also detailed,funny, how we all see things differently.

 

I really have to fully agree and disagree with you there Cristy; while I also don't like air brushed photos (that's a bit over the top) I think professional or semi-professional photos (no low res web cam junk please) that are not touched up but well taken indicate the lady has put some effort into her brand. I don't care as much about appearances as some, but one really great lady with touched up "professional" photos I almost didn't book. Thank goodness she was less glamorous in person (still VERY beautiful, in fact more so) and therefore even more attractive to me than the girl in her pictures.

 

And I think the establishment of a "brand" is something to give some serious thought to if you're serious. Your own domain name only costs $10 - $15/year, web hosting under your own domain name is only $50/year and your email address and responses should be under that custom domain name. Yes, you can still use Gmail and have your email come and go from cristycurves.com (Google Apps), btw that domain name (cristycurves.com) IS still available :)

 

I see the ladies with a custom domain name and web site as serious, career minded professionals more easily then one using a hotmail or gmail address and piggy-backing on some other escort site. For my business I do have my own domain name, hosting and use Google Apps and get a lot more respect then if I was using generic email. Even more respect from the ladies when my email comes from my real business email, yet another way for them to check me out and know I am who I say I am.

[Athos 108589]

I am surprised that you think professional photographs show a persons attitude,confidence,I do find this interesting,as I would think the opposite,if I may explain,professional photos are usually the pros design,( in most cases),you are posed,professionally lit and air brushed,so I would think a lady that shows her "own " photo's would be considered creative as she is self posed,more natural,and also detailed,funny, how we all see things differently.

 

I think that a nice professional photo shoot tends to demonstrate the lady's commitment to the business. it speaks to her professionalism in a way that taking a few pics with your phone doesn't. This doesn't mean that photos have to be done up in such a way that they no longer reflect the individual. Photos that are too overdone can, as you say, be a problem as well. And, at the end of the day, we're guys ... so we are drawn to glossy packages!! :icon_biggrin:

 

I can think of a number of albums on CERB that really achieve this. Two examples are from ladies who've posted in this thread. Sophia's "Jazz it up" and "Alice in Wonderland" albums, in combination with her more candid Cuba shots, are great examples. Emily Rushton's albums are beautiful professionally done photos, but when I first met her I was amazed at how well they captured the woman standing in front of me.

 

As with all things, it seems to me there is a balance. And a well done photo shoot should, like the advertising, be a reflection of yourself. A professional photographer should be able to achieve that.

 

Porthos

[Phaedrus 209521]

I may be horribly old-fashioned, but I think that people who really do operate at the top end of things don't need to say so. You can just tell, from looking at their websites, their pictures; the way they compose not just their ads but pretty much everything else they post too. And when you meet them, you can tell from the way they speak and act, too.

 

Classy people understand that going around telling everyone how classy you are is really not a classy thing to do at all. The truly elite understand that grainy cellphone-in-the-bathroom-mirror pics don't give the impression they'd like to put out there; that a same-as-everyone-else's website won't cut it and that you need something that looks like someone has put time and effort into it. They understand that they're judged not just on the ads they put up, but on their entire online presence - website, emails, pics, posts, everything. And they're judged not just once, but continually, by everyone.

 

The point is that if you want the world to think that you're classy/elite/whatever, it's no good just saying so in an ad - any fool can do that. You have to *be* the elite. Always. And that's a hard thing to do.

 

A final word: I'm well aware that the stuff above sounds horribly judgemental and obnoxious. It's not meant to be - honest! The point I'm trying to make is that placing yourself at the top of the market and staying there is *hard*. It's probably not for everyone. I have a huge amount of respect for those that can do it. But the common touch is nothing to be ashamed of, and I have just as much respect for those ladies who advertise themselves as the girl-next-door, or whatever else they choose. There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone who's more... well... normal, and I'm pretty sure that most of us guys spend most of our time visiting ladies who are more like us, and less like the untouchable elite.

 

When all's said and done, none of us can tell you how to market yourself. You know who and what you are better than anyone, and if the image you present reflects *you* then that's probably best, in the long run. The one thing I don't have any time for is people who try and sell themselves as something they're clearly not.

[Royalfun 55448]

Too much, is... too much.

 

In my view, the more authentic the better. The right info, and some teasers that will give the style, the personality will help to "sense" to whom I will take an encounter.

 

If the expectations shown on the ad is not reflecting the reality, and there is a risk for the SP to say too much, the client will be , let say disappointed, or deceived, and will never come back, and that"s bad for the business, isn't ?

[LeeRichards 177238]

How much information is considered to much or not enough,when a girl describes herself, and do hobbyists feel it is oversell when a girl uses to many descriptive words like :classy,vip,elite,upscale,"the best",top notch,ect,let me know what you think.

 

I am a fella that relys 100 percent on Cerb ads and or communications here to determine whom I would like to spend some quality time with. I don't think there is ever "too much information" but perhaps not enough.

 

The words you have listed are all appropriate wordings IMO but not with every lady in every situation. My advise is use the wording that you feel best describes you, the experience you can provide and most importantly want to provide.

 

More importantly I want to say...the reason I am replying to this thread...is that no matter what the words are that you are using, it is the ad, the context of the ad, and what you want to tell the client is the most important thing to me. "Upscale, VIP, the best, top notch" .... Truthfully means nothing to me by itself....it is what you have to say ! Entice me and draw me into your web ;) Hell I love reading a great ad more than looking at pics to be honest. I have been drawn into some webs now and you ladies can't get rid of me !! Sorry ;) heh heh

 

Okay that's it. Hope it made a little sense :)

[Maverick 2873]

Honestly I just ignore writing like that. In ads I just look for the basic information like location, services, price. It's much easier to get a sense for personality from normal forum posts, not the advertisement itself.

[nntsci 11075]

The rule in advertizing is to present an image that makes the recipient feel that you know them. That you know how they feel and think and that you will connect with them in a personal way. Effective ads click with the recipient of the ad. They make me think, yeah this person is speaking to me directly. I focus (probably too much) on the visual image in photographs. I like a photograph that intices me to think about what it would be like to be there in the photo. The outfit and pose clicks with me and says to me this girl knows how I think. And its often not nudity that works best, but an outfit that leaves something to the imagination because its the imagination that you want to stimulate. Similalry, the words too should prompt me to imagine myself there, with the girl. A list of words like "classy,vip,elite,upscale,the best,top notch" wouldn't really connect with me because they are overused and not personally descriptive. They don't encourage me to think of myself with the girl posting the ad.

[EmilyRushton 253346]

I am surprised that you think professional photographs show a persons attitude,confidence,I do find this interesting,as I would think the opposite,if I may explain,professional photos are usually the pros design,( in most cases),you are posed,professionally lit and air brushed,so I would think a lady that shows her "own " photo's would be considered creative as she is self posed,more natural,and also detailed,funny, how we all see things differently.

 

 

This topic always bothers me as photos are a personal choice.This is my second time in this business and what I have learned is like any other successful business a person may run, the old saying "you have to spend money, to make money" is very true.

 

Yes all my photos are professional, yes they are all shot to make me look my best, and yes they are 100% me. They were worth every penny I spent and I will only use photos that are shot by a professional. The whole object of professional or glamour shots is to find a photographer that will keep you - you. (hence the reason I have flown on 2 occasional across the country for photos) I look natural and real in my photos, and I feel better than any cell phone photo would.

 

I want potential clients to see that I invest in myself (website, photos, blog, well maintained (ie: hair, nails,etc) I treat being Emily as if it were any other job that I may have, as in I give 110%. Why should I expect a client to invest in my if I have not invested in myself?

 

The only comment I keep getting about my photos is that I look better in person(this is from men and women), so on that note i will always and only have professional photos done. (look at Victoria Jolie, Emma Alexandra, Keissy Hennessey, Gabriella Laurence, Charlotte Sinclair, Amelia Middleton and Dorinda Bloom) Those are several examples of real tasteful professional photos and all the above women look as good in person as in their photos)

 

At the end of the day professional photos have a bad rep, one that I hope ladies like myself and others who invest in professional photos will help change.

[CristyCurves 169032]

 

This topic always bothers me as photos are a personal choice.This is my second time in this business and what I have learned is like any other successful business a person may run, the old saying "you have to spend money, to make money" is very true.

 

Yes all my photos are professional, yes they are all shot to make me look my best, and yes they are 100% me. They were worth every penny I spent and I will only use photos that are shot by a professional. The whole object of professional or glamour shots is to find a photographer that will keep you - you. (hence the reason I have flown on 2 occasional across the country for photos) I look natural and real in my photos, and I feel better than any cell phone photo would.

 

I want potential clients to see that I invest in myself (website, photos, blog, well maintained (ie: hair, nails,etc) I treat being Emily as if it were any other job that I may have, as in I give 110%. Why should I expect a client to invest in my if I have not invested in myself?

 

The only comment I keep getting about my photos is that I look better in person(this is from men and women), so on that note i will always and only have professional photos done. (look at Victoria Jolie, Emma Alexandra, Keissy Hennessey, Gabriella Laurence, Charlotte Sinclair and Dorinda Bloom) Those are several examples of real tasteful professional photos and all the above women look as good in person as in their photos)

 

At the end of the day profession photos have a bad rep, one that I hope ladies like myself and others who invest in professional photos will help change.

 

Yes, your photos are exceptional,as are many others ,my points were not directed at anyone in particular,it wasn't personal ,it was a GENERALIZATION,as was the persons post who said cell phone photos were not good,I did not take that personal,as all my photos are cell phone,this post is a generalization,not meant for me,you,so please ladies,emily,sophia,ect ,this wasn't a personal comment directed towards your photographs,there are good pro photogs,not so good,there are decent phone pics,not so decent and my comments about professionally taken photos was a point,thats all.We all put effort into our web pages,photos,ads,posts,appearences,pro or not,it all takes work and creativity,and I think anyone that takes the time to advertise with any kind of web page,photos ads,should be commended,just to put yourself out there is a feat in itself.

[Guest]

Hello, Cristy

I do not have professional pictures. All my albums are just with a camera and natural lighting. I just had one of my friends take the shots. I have had professional pictures done and to be honest, I like the ones better done by the camera. That being said I would never have web cam pictures. I did put thought into props in my pictures, poses and where the pictures would look good.

 

I would say that yes you do have to put money into the business of escorting. I would do this by spending money on advertising and a website. For a website I like to go clean and simple. Take a look at mine when I get it up and running. I find that too many links on a website to be confusing. Also to much flash is just not my style. That again goes to what kind of person you are.

 

I like to put my personality out there in my adds. I don't like to give too much away, tho. Just enough to get people interested. The best part is showing the clients behind closed doors what I can do. I like the saying think like a man and act like a lady.

 

I hope this helps, Hun.

XoXo

Peachy/Val.

[DariaKayM 2991]

Everyone has brought up some good points here. I have made some notes as well.

My thoughts are: the key to professionalism is consistency. I have personally have made every effort when promoting myself to be as honest about who I am. My photos are always done professionally, and tastefully. My ad's are witty and yet allow my potential clients to expect everything I am offering.

Some ladies have a tendency to go overboard alittle but at the end of the day if the fantasy is not fufilled and the client is not satisfied they will not be returning and in turn that creates adverse reviews if any. So I believe that if you do your best and be honest with alittle poetic licence that is the best way to be.

[O'Cahla 4352]

Amateur or professional doesn't matter, as long as they are real and show who you are. As for the oversell, I tend to look at it like any other ad. If she/he sounds like a used car or snake oil sales man I'll usually skip on by. Be true to yourself and any prospective client and things will fall nicely into place. If things start with an open and honest conversation, they can only get better

[fortunateone 156618]

I think the main thing is that we can't apply the same brush to all sps. There are escorts (who excel at the longer dates, and being companions, plus the intimacy). For those 'elite' courtesan sps, their marketing reflects that. Their professional poses and photos are meant specifically to attract the type of client who is looking for someone who is putting in that extra effort (and investment) into their business.

 

Other sps have to balance the work with school, family, even another job, so investing time and finances into that level is not profitable for them. Even taking an evening or weekend away from their other life is not possible. Even age or style of service is a factor. For sps like me, it doesn't actually make sense to have pro photos, websites etc.

 

On the topic of words, words in advertising are extremely necessary. As mentioned, someone using 'elite', a client pursuing more information, discovers the rates are out of his range. Even before that, he has an understanding that the word would mean her rates would be out of his range. So the word, in the ad, is doing its job. It sends the signal to anyone that the sp's rates are going to be on the upper end. Just as 'upscale' refers to location of incall, means that the location is going to be very nice. A 5 star hotel type of nice, compared to a Travelodge motel type of OK. 'Classy', imo, is a signal that the sp is not going to tolerate graphic language, and does not provide anything close to PSE or high risk services. Also trying to avoid really rude callers. Sensual, the same sort of impression. Just as 'mature' is used to try to reduce the number of rude and younger callers.

 

Words have the power to convey what the sp cannot show. And they are meant to leave a particular impression and tone.

 

Words that do not work, imo, are "Hottest", "You won't be disappointed", "you'll leave wanting more" (which how that is supposed to be a good thing, I am not sure), "The Best", "#1 in the city", and variations on that theme. Some things cannot be shown, until you meet. These are things that are hard to live up to, and usually result in extreme disappointment.