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Good morning. One of our Cerb Ladies, Jennigurl27, is hurting, physically, mentally and in her heart. Jenni lost her husband a little over a month ago, has been quite ill over the last six months, and has some other "stuff" breaking her heart. Keep her in your thoughts and prayers. If you know her number, give her a call to say hi, send her a note to say you are thinking of her. She needs our support, and I know that the folks in Cerb are so good at that. Thanx all. the liquor

Well I'll throw in my thoughts on the subject, with the caveat that I am single, and not looking for a relationship. I find the ladies I see in this lifestyle enrich my life, why would I change? I will also add that when I was dating, I was monogamous, not because that is right, but because it is the right choice for me I will also add that the two women I was capital S Serious about (one a fiance, one was leading to a common law relationship) well cheating came into the picture, not me, them. And the consequences of their cheating, well my fiance became pregnant with another man's baby, but thought we could still get married, and the other woman couldn't understand that she couldn't see me and the other guy at the same time. I think it is dangerous to impose one's own personal beliefs regarding fidelity on others. No one knows another person's relationship, that is a private matter between husband and wife, or boyfriend/girlfriend. And monogamy is but one form of relationships, there are polyamorous relationships. And if in a relationship, and the wife for sake of argument refuses to have sex. She has a right to no more sex, but does she have the right to deprive her husband of sex. One thing about seeing escorts while married, the emotional connection isn't as great a risk as if the husband has an affair with a woman, which can lead to strings, and the possibility of the marriage breaking up Some quick ramblings RG

I'm just going to throw in that although men get pinned as being the bigger cheaters, time and time again, statistics show women cheat more. I don't care if other people cheat, but in my own relationship (when I have one) we usually discuss polyamory. Many of my friends here in Ottawa are poly. And it IS NOT the same as being a swinger. It is basically having more than one relationship. Not just sex on the side, but a friendship, too. It doesn't work for everyone, though, as the tradition of monogamy is too deep in many people's minds. (Ergo the guilt when we are not monogamous.) In a polyamorous relationship, rules are set up. Such as: always use protection with other partners, many polys like to meet their partners partner, rules on time allowed to be spent with the other partner (This is a big one, as too much time away from the primary relationship can cause a lot of tension). As long as you're spending the majority of your time and romantic energy with your primary (spouse), then its often overlooked that you have other things on the go (SPs). So guys, keep the romance alive in your primary relationship. Bring home some flowers for your wife just because. Make a reservation to her favorite restaurant and go for a good old fashioned date. Make out like teenagers. If she doesn't feel threatened, she'll be a lot less likely to notice your other activities. Posted via Mobile Device

Then you would very much appreciate my casual summer look; flip flops, surfer shorts, a t-shirt, a baseball cap with the pony tail going through the back and lip gloss- on my own time only unless requested by my gentleman ;) I also love wearing hoodies on cooler summer evenings...

In light of the most recent discussion here, I thought I would post this thread about participation and the value it holds as a hobbyist and us SP"S. When I get an inquiry, the first thing I do is got to your profile page. I look at your sign on date, then look at how many posts you have. " Why" you ask? If you have created your profile 2 yrs ago, and I see no post being made, and no one seems to know you, then I may not take your inquiry seriously, or will accept another hobbyist instead. This is because, some ppl will simply get kicks out of asking a ton of questions about my service, activities involved. Strange I know....but it happens alot! There are some who end up no-show or cancel because they get " cold feet" and are too shy.But perhaps if they were to post more often they would not be so shy. As this becomes a way to open up. when you get 2 in one day like this, and you have hotel fee's or plane flights to pay...just simply wont hold my breath or turn away a seasoned member. Also, just as you seek out the best SP for yourself, I also am looking for the best clients to be with. You are able to read my posts, read what other's have to say, pictures, at times some of my most intimate feeling are even posted here for all to read. This gives you insight into the kind of women I am. As an SP, and an elite one at that, I would like to read about you too! I would like to see how treat ppl, what your moto in life is, what makes you smile, cry and all that makes you ...you I see participation all over the board, but none here in NB. WE need hobbyist to contribute here! With no one posting, no one is getting reputation's built, and SP have no way of knowing if you are a sincere client, or someone who just think the site is for kicks and giggles and a way to see sexy pic's. When I do ask a hobbyist from here..." why have you been a members here for 3 years, but no post, no rec's?" They usually say..." well I dont really care about that stuff" I ask..." do you only use cerb?" usually the answer is yes....so now I ask and suggest..." Well does it not make since to contribute, to keep the board active and alive?" They usually shrug at the shoulders and dont answer. If SP's dont see action here why would they want to come here? So this is funny, I am posting about the lack of particpation....let's see if anyone wishes to participate? or will it be a dead post? lmao....

I always clean up before a rendezvous (shower, brush teeth, trim nails). I used to ask SPs if they had a preference when it came to cleanshaven versus peachfuzz, but they never expressed any preference so I usually go with my peachfuzz because it helps me look older than 12, and there's always the chance the SP's a big Miami Vice fan. I met one lady who had a little station set up in the loo and she asked that all her clients rinse with mouthwash and Purell their hands. I was happy to oblige; and I was impressed by how much she valued her health and cleanliness.

It strikes me that one of the issues is conflating commitment with sexual monogamy. Sexual monogamy has become defined as the single most important element of a relationship and the primary, if not only, indicator of commitment. It seems to me that there are so many other dimensions of commitment that this doesn't necessarily make sense. This is why to many of us seeing an escort is much more acceptable than an affair, precisely because the affair raises the possibility of undermining so many more elements of the relationship, whereas a visit with your SP can more easily be limited to the physical dimension. Porthos

well, I think the important parts in that vow are love and honor. The "obey" part really has no place in a modern relationship, but if we want to be traditional I think that was something the woman had to vow to the man, but not vice versa. I see SPs. But no one can say I don't love and honor my wife, and after 25 years you also can't say there isn't huge commitment. I've committed to spending my life with her until I die. Nothing about seeing an SP alters that. Porthos

Everyone cheats. We all have a personal fudge factor. On taxes, speeding, diets, marriages, bosses, on everything. We all do it in one way or another. If you deny it, you are kidding yourself. Now, the question is: how not to cause harm? For instance, my wife knows about my massages and visits to strip clubs. She likes to hear the stories. It keeps our relationship hot. She does not like my visits to SPs. It is very intimate in her opinion and despite our having a ten year poly relationship she still gets her hackles up. I see SPs very rarely. Instead, we both maintain play relationships with select people. We all have ways of making it through life. No one gets out alive. Enjoy what you have.

I find most men here understand what is to be expected on a date with an SP( or any lady otherwise). However there are those who have been with the same women for so long, they forget how to impress a date! I have have started some professional relationships, whereas, they truly did not think of a few details. One night I had a duo night, the fella was sort of shy type. Did not date often, no girlfriend ever, and was about 27 yrs. Well this night, he arrived. Well, as we began to de-robe my GF and I noticed an awful oder:( He was medically fine, but was a heavy man. My in-experienced GF looked at me with a surprised face! She obviously did not know how to approach this situation. I immediately took the lead.... I politely took him aside, whispered in his ear and asked if he please join us in the shower. He loved this idea! I am sure he did take the time to shower, but perhaps did not pay close attention. I ran a bath, scented with oils, gave him a good Japanese style bath, then we showered. We continued with our evening. Having a grand time all together! The next visit, he was all clean, well groomed, and smelling of sandalwood! Since then we have become good friends! I just had to teach him what is acceptable on a date. I did it without embarrassing him, or lowering his already low esteem issues. I was happy for this outcome:)

This was my fifth encounter with Lonna, a sleepover with her. She showed up on time, as usual, to my hotel room, with a smile on her face. We greeted with a hug and kiss and I let her in. We sat down, got caught up on current events in our respective lives. The conversation was short lived, as we had dinner reservations to meet. We got to the restaurant, where our conversation continued over dinner and drinks. The dinner was excellant, but I attribute that more to the great company I had (although the food was pretty good too) Dinner was finished off with cappacinos (real ones, not the Timmies style ones LOL) and we drove back to the hotel. We returned to the hotel room, and sat down on the couch to continue the conversation. It is something to note here, when you see a lady on a regular basis, it becomes more a friends with benefits relationship than simple SP/Client relationship. You both become comfortable enough with one another to share things in your respective lives, if that makes sense. And you value the ladies' company as much as other important people in your life We carried on the encounter with the benefits side of the friendship, but details of that are a private matter, between Lonna and myself Lonna suggested we then cuddle and watch tv, but said she likes to shower before bedtime. I asked if she'd like her back washed? She said yes, and I joined her in the shower and washed her back. She reached for the shampoo, and I said I'll wash your hair. So I happily washed her hair, and then conditioned it (she stressed the importance of conditioning). We got out of the shower, and I wrapped the towel around her and dried her off. We returned to the bedroom, she got in her pyjamas, and we crawled into bed, for kissing, cuddling time and watching tv. Finally we went to sleep The next morning I was pleasantly awakened with the beautiful Lonna next to me. We packed up, and after checking out, we had coffee and breakfast at the hotel restaurant. Then we had to go our seperate ways (till next time) and we parted with a hug and kiss. Lonna is most definitely a GFE, and it is now more like a Friends With Benefits relationship. This was two firsts for me. My first overnight with a woman since breaking up with my girlfriend some five years ago. And my first overnight since embarking on this lifestyle. Thank you Lonna for being there for these two firsts. As always, my encounters with you aren't just memorable, they are memories too. I am looking forward to the next time we see each other. And to any gentlemen who wish to see a great lady, contact Lonna, she is one terrific lady. And as is the case with any ladies you see, treat her like a lady, with respect and courtesy.

I agree with Angela. But while I don't care whether a client is married or not I actually get turned on sometimes by a wedding ring.. one of my favorite clients whispered something in my ear one day that blew my mind. 'When I'm with my wife I think about you'.. it got me sooo hot.

Don't worry BRM, wasn't bashing or critical. But sometimes these threads might veer off into a moral debate. And, at least in my opinion, arguments on fidelity, monogamy, etc shouldn't be brought up here, only because everyone here to the "outside mainstream" world is guilty of, for lack of a better word, sinning. When it comes to discussions of fidelity/monogamy etc, CERB really should be a judgement free zone RG

A gentle reminder that often it needs to be said many many many times for it to sink in. :)

I should intersperse a thought here, really no one on this board should be critical or judgemental of anyone's (not saying anyone is) choice insofar as seeing people outside their marriage/relationship. I'm sure there are a great many married guys on CERB, and there are some ladies who are SP's/MA's who are married but their husbands might not know their livelihood We are all here for valid reasons, and it's not up to us to judge someone else's reason for being here As I see it anyway RG

I so agree Christy!!

I really like the fact that Cristy brings this up and in so doing is trying to change it for the better but I do very much have to agree that anyone who would see an SP without the utmost care, cleanliness and preparation is not going to be reading this here or if they do it won't register. She has every right to send them away or charge extra (her choice). Maybe this belongs on her web site "show up dirty and you get a bath and shave on our time first", were did I put that fake dirt? Hmmmm. No, seriously, it's no joking matter Cristy. Once I was in Ottawa starting to preparing to see two wonderful ladies the next day (a guy has to go there once at least, not Ottawa but two ladies at once) and I almost cut myself shaving so I took a break from it and logged into CERB for a few minutes. An SP started chatting with me (I'm not the sort to initiate a private chat for any reason) and she asked if there was anything she could do for me. Not wanting to waste her time, I very quickly told her that I was already taken and just taking a break from careful preparations (not just personal grooming but also preparing my hotel suite) for the next day. She continued to chat with me (her choice) and it was discovered that she was a former hairdresser, located 2 minutes from my hotel and in the absence of anything else to do right then and now she offered to help at a very progressive fee, an offer that was hard to refuse so I didn't. The power of CERB allowed me to check her reputation and reviews and realize that she was outstanding so I accepted her offer. Poof! She was there in less than 5 minutes, took care of everything, truly wonderful service and having taken care of everything, after a short discussion about how nice a service it was she was gone, mission accomplished. A few weeks later I went back to her web site (like who was that masked lady in the super-woman cape?) only to discover that she now plainly offers a "personal grooming service to help in preparation for that hot date" and of course that wasn't there at the time I met her so it certainly made me smile.

Maybe should be posted in tech corner but this section gets more traffic A spam or virus email was sent to me by someone I know on my address book Turns out they really didn't send it, somehow it attached to their address book and forwarded on a spam email to everyone in the address book So if you get any emails from people in your address book and it says Click Here To See Attached Photos don't open the attachment just delete the email Dumb me, when I got it the sender I know so I opened it, been a mess of emails sent back to me RG

You're quite right, they won't change, but they'll continue to complain about what they perceive to be bad service!!

Cristy, you're preaching to the converted. Most of the clients here know the advantages of doing as you are suggesting, a date with an appreciative partner. It's a simple matter of showing respect Guys that don't follow the guidelines aren't likely to change.

Woah! Sorry, I can't let that one pass, even though I'm in a rush and can't post my thoughts fully. I agree with just about everything else you wrote backrubman, and I think this is a great subject for discussion. I hope to dive in again with thoughts on other aspects. But I've gotta say I really groan every time I see the popular meme that men as a gender are intrinsically wired for infidelity more than our female counterparts. I know all about the evolutionary theory behind the arguments, and those theories argue equally for infidelity by both sexes. *Everyone* is inclined to infidelity, and we all deal with those inclinations in our own respective ways. But we need to own our decisions, and we men need to recognize that our impulses to play around are no different than those experienced by women. The big difference between how the two sexes deal with temptation is cultural, and that difference is disappearing fast these days as both genders complete the process of staking out equal claim to self-satisfaction. Whatever else applies when dealing with the subject of infidelity, there's no "my gender did it" get-out-of-jail-free card for guys.

I never thought of it from the point of view Sophia posted. I guess I'll have to start posting. Thankfully I'm a new member, but I would like to actually make a date in the near future...so I'll have to get posting.

Lets see After a month and half in planning, lady shows up, says she is having her period, so no full service, but everything else is ok...well think about it, daty, don't think so Incall to another lady's place, and she wanted (well so did I) me showered first. Should have bottled body wash or pre-wrapped soaps to use, she had a bar of used soap...who knows who else used it RG

I would imagine that it would be a mood kill for an SP to treat you merely as a wallet rather than Gentlemen! I always try to make the mood to feel as a date not a "john"! But a person, not a transaction.

I find a girl wearing a ball cap with her hair in a ponytail through the back adjustment hole to be rather sexy. Must have something to do with with ease of access to the neckline and ears which I like to kiss and lick...

There are lots of different reasons why married people hobby. Everyone's story is different. For some, they may hobby because they are profoundly unhappy in their relationship. For many of us, however, that may not be the case. I've been married for nearly 25 years (to the same woman even) and i love her very much. We have kids, and a mutually satisfying relationship that is supportive and very close. However, that relationship no longer involves sex. That is o.k.for her, but not for me. I have no desire to leave her, but have discovered that hobbying provides a wonderful way to find physical intimacy with some wonderful women and preserve my marriage. she would be devastated if she found out, so I am very careful. I've often wondered why, given we are all participating in a hobby that many in society don't condone, that there often is a bit of a judgmental tone expressed by single hobbyists towards those that are married. This hardly seems the place for those sorts of judgements. Porthos

I think every situation needs to be treated differently. If you have to cancel for work or other emergency its not a problem for me even same day. If this happens with the same client a lot then I would ask for a cancellation fee if its the day of the date. If you don't call and don't show up I will ask for my full donation as I did get ready and sit and wait for you. If a client refuses and doesn't understand this I will not see you again. Sorry but I spent at least two hours getting my home and myself ready for you and I believe this is fair.

Mmmm... for sparkles... my favourite is "Veuve Clicquot" the original Champagne....

http://healthnurse.wordpress.com/faq-about-sexual-health/sti-risks-chart/ This updates some of the common stds and transmission risks. (I note this because in the previous charts, bbbjs would be listed as medium risk to the giver, and low risk to the receiver, and now both parties are listed as high risk for most of the reported stds) The Health Nurse operates a sub forum on another site, but if you have specific questions on a topic, they are easy to contact and quick to reply and you can reach them thru the above link as well. The Health forum on the other site is filled with questions, some you might funny or obvious, others not, but all are quite serious. It boggles the mind sometimes just what people do NOT know, and can be a real eye opener to read some of the past threads. Pm if you want the name of the other site. (not sure if this is the right section for this topic, but if I put into General, it will get buried sooner)

Cell phones ringing and even worse, being answered.