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Dear one.... Are you saying that you book 30-minute meetings and then always go overtime, getting that extra 50% for free, and that you're proud of it? Has it occurred to you that these ladies may not feel that they're able to tell you to leave or to ask you to pay for the additional time? Surely you're not advising others to engage in such exploitation. That's not how gentlemen behave.

In my experience, this is unfortunately the distinguishing point between hobbyists/lifestylers and those men who troll CL & BP looking for a "date". Just to clarify, I know there are many CERB members who use these sites it is not you I'm referring to. The men who troll seem to reduce women to playthings to be used and discarded as they whim suits them. They tend to use direct verbiage and statements such as "will you suck my cock" or "I want a blowjob, how much". There tends to be no respect, no real communication and no pleasantries, almost like we're not worth the effort of normal interactions. Unfortunately many of the girls who are looking to make a quick buck, support a habit, have esteem issues etc. accept this behavior which only serves to perpetuate it. How many CERB ladies who have chosen this as a profession/calling would even indulge such behavior? None! These men think that they're dealing with the same level of ladies and quickly get cut off at the knees. As much as we rally and fight to be recognized for what we do and why, there is still the other side of the equation that feeds into all the stereotypes and negativity surrounding the profession. Would be nice if no matter the setting or people involved, people just gave a little more respect and politeness. Yes, there would still be issues because people have issues yet even a little extra attention to how we treat people could go a long way. No worries people, I'm not gonna start a rendition of Kumbaya!

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=77835 Well deserved and long overdue as her many reviews and dedication to this site will attest, congrats Tracie ( Midnight Massage) you certainly have earned it-hugs

After seeing Kylie Daniels' pictures in the Bikini thread, I have no choice but to nominate her yet again as cerb Goddess! :)....

I am not in Ottawa, but I can tell you from someone who's had a golden shower fetish since she was very young... that most people don't admit it freely. It could be a self confidence thing, it could just be that, as you said, it's very "taboo". I spent the better part of my life hiding my desire for it, as I thought it was "wrong". Society has a tendancy to make us believe that anything outside THEIR realm of "normal" is wrong. For me? We live once. So experience experience experience !!! Giving AND receiving are both wonderful. Even giving to YOURSELF can be a very erotic experience. Feel free to PM me sometime :)

Just thought I'd throw that out there. WHO'S WITH ME!! EDIT: Apparently I can't spell!!

Booking for 30 minutes with the planned intent of taking around 45 minutes, is just absolutely wrong, it might happen once, but it should not be the intent, and if it happens you should tip to cover the extra time. The egregious part of Luv269 is that this is not only planned, but expected and viewed as a major accomplishment. This is not something to be proud of, more that you should feel guilty of your behaviour.

I love a man who loves it! Not much to add other than there is nothing hotter, sexier than watching a man enjoy it and feeling his cock grow in my mouth while I devour his deliciousness. Cake or cock, well some of you know how much I love cake but cock wins hands down!

For the past four days I have received over 30 some stupid blowjob referencing emails, example, I love blow job, will you give me a sofa blowjob, ect, ect , from one of or all of the above! The first six or seven I ignored the next one "Will you suck my cock" I responded to saying "go ask your mother" so the twenty something more came, moral to the story and obvious common sense advice- do not respond to these kooks, ignore, ignore ignore, I should have know better, responding to these freaks is like putting gas on a fire!

I'm a little sad to read something like this, because I've had clients try and do the same thing to me - and they are clients I unfortunately no longer see. I had a gentleman see me a handful of times, and every time it would be at least at 40 minutes before our session would end. And it would only end because I finally said we're way past our time. The last few times, I pointed this out, and said perhaps we should start booking longer sessions. The last time he contacted me, I finally said, great, I'd love to see you, but only if we book for 45-minutes as our sessions always go longer than 30 minutes. He accused me of 'upselling', and I haven't seen him since. I wasn't upselling - he KNEW he took more than the paid time, and when I finally asked to be paid for the time he actually took, he walked away. It was unfortunate, because I enjoyed my time with him. But I refused to be taken advantage of...and I truly hate hearing about other girls being taken advantage of in the same way. Sometimes sessions go a little longer, and we all (well hopefully we all!) understand it can happen.... but if you know you need more than 30 minutes, you should be booking more than 30 minutes. It will make the time more enjoyable for both of you, and ensure that lady is getting the rate she deserves.

If no fuel is added to his fire it will burn out. He will get bored faster the more you just ignore him.

Sad. Why waste their own time wit this crap let alone yours Cristy... Ignoring can be hard, I know I'm a ginger and love a good fight lol, but sometimes it is just simply the most productive response we can provide...

That moment when a woman takes me into her mouth.....

I always giggle when a man tells me that he doesn't want me to go down on him as he wants it to be about me. Blow jobs are about me. I LOVE giving them, makes me very... VERY wet!

snuggling up to someone you love and trust. be it a close friend or lover

Love to touch and be touched in so many ways all over my body, but one special touch that first comes to mind is gentle hands in my hair. It gives me erotic shivers down my spine, and a tingle between my legs. ;) I am a major massage slut too. Just can't get enough. I used to pick up random guys on online dating websites just to come over and give me full body massages... bah ha ha. Also, I have recently taken a special liking to soft but firm rubbing on my bum cheeks... Feels so nice. :)

Welcome to CERB! :) You should consider it a good thing to have so many great choices!! We have an amazing selection of lovely ladies in Ottawa. :) One thing I would like to suggest if I may... There are many great ladies of all ages, but ladies maybe 24+ years who has a few extra years of experience in man-comfort might be more suitable for the first time kind of experience you are looking for. A lady who has seen several newbies maybe and who knows exactly what it takes to make a nice young lad like yourself feel instantly at ease. What you need is a woman, not a girl, who can show you how it's done... professional, yet easy going and casual. ;) We have many ladies like this around, but your best chance at finding someone who will be close to your taste, is to indeed put in a little bit of time to browse the advertisement and recommendation sections. A nice lady is worth putting in a little bit of effort for, right? ;)

Okay now THAT made me laugh out loud and keep giggling for awhile. For the record I LOVE fellatio so I'm allowed to giggle!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006041513638 LOL..couldn't resist!

I'm off to Argentina! My abstract was accepted for a conference in August. I posted about it in my blog: http://lovely-nathalie.com/blog/ Nat xox

Ill step in here, he's not a shill or a shit disturber, in fact he was a long time member before. He left the board after the story aired as it was too close to home. Hopefully when this all dies down he will rejoin the board as in NFLD he was a valid contributor.

I understand the aggravation... but for a first timer, even that "hi" is a big step. This is not an apology for the guys that have been on the boards for quite some time or for someone that has had more than one experience. This is for that first timer. "Hi" is hell. "Hi" is scary. "Hi" means that he has stepped out of his comfort level, regardless of what it is, and decided to delve into a world that is completely foreign to him. We all know the media portrayals; rarely are they positive. But the guy that says just "hi" is going against everything he has been shown and everything that society has told him, and is entering a great big world unknown to him. He may have been debating that "hi" text for weeks. He probably wrote and erased that "hi" a dozen times on his phone and when he finally was satisfied with that message, debated again just pressing the "send" button. "Hi" means that he has decided on extra marital adventure for the first time. "Hi" means that he is lonely and doesn't have the social skills for intimate relationships in the real world. "Hi" means that he and his SO have broken up and is reaching for something to ease the pain for just a short amount of time. "Hi" means so many things, and it could be that you, the recipient are the one he has chosen out of a hundred other possibilities to help him. He doesn't know the next step. He's never done this before. He is scared. Believe me, he is petrified. You are beautiful and sexy and are offering him things that he hasn't had in a long time, if ever. He may stop at just "hi." That may have been the limit of his fortitude. He may just say to himself, "I can't do this." So when you get upset at "hi," please understand that at one time he may have been ALL of us, everyone who gets into the hobby for one of the multitude of reasons that we do the things we do. I apologize if I have offended, all I want to do is give some sense of what that "hi" was all about. I rest my case.

Good thread. An unusual regret many may say. My one regret in life is that I studies for so many years all the way to the highest degree and now in my mid 40's I have only 15 years of pension (not to mention I over-qualified myself for many jobs) and have to work another 20 years to have a comfortable retirement income. If I am born again I would only go up to the Bachelor's degree and go to work at 23 and retire when I will be 55 to enjoy the second half of my life travelling around the world.

There are many threads that address individual issues that come during the course of our days in this wonderful hobby, and while surfing I have come across several good outlines for conducting oneself. But they fail to address the intricacies that often confuse hobbyists and SP?s alike. I would like feedback from both sides, as I have been compiling a ?how to? especially designed for this industry. This is a chance for people to put in their likes and dislikes and will help newbies by giving them a playbook that will help them maneuver their way thru. I would like to address any and every suggestion that covers a given situation that you have been in personally that you can see someone else having to figure out. It has been an ongoing project this year and I would like to have it finished by summer?s end. So if you have any situations that you feel are worthy of being addressed, let?s get them out here so we can discuss them?. Catherine

i saw this and know how much people here love Bacon (OD) so I thought this was great. http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/shine-on/105-old-woman-says-bacon-secret-long-life-182511394.html

i concur with RG I haven't met with cleo either but from my experience here she or another long term member would be your best bet. Have no fear!, i know you may be nervous but the ladies here on cerb will make you feel more than comfortable and I suspect after you do you will become a regular. Good luck my friend! You wont need it by the way sugar

This is an unfortunate reality to this career choice. I ignore/delete/redirect about 75% of the emails I receive. Am I losing out on potential business by being so picky? Sure I am. But I'm here by choice, not by necessity and therefore I can literally afford to be picky. I don't need to tolerate or put up with some freakshow asking me to "suck his cock and let him blow his load in my ear" (yes, I've been asked).

One of the great things about CERB is that, if you want, you are never alone. As you continue on this path, please come back with comments, questions, and observations. There is a whole community cheering you on.

Hey buddy, Not sure if you've made up your mind or not but I like many others, advise to see Soleil. She'll take good care of you. Be warned though. She's kind of addicting. ;)

Lol this thread makes me laugh :) Facebook believes that I am in need of approval (for a credit card that is), I need to enter a shoe addict contest, I require welding services, love dessert and am a HUGE fan of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Hmm. Only partially accurate. Where the heck did the welding come from???

Congrats Jake, on your first 100, thank you for taking time to post and will look forward to your nest 100:)

You had me at bacon!

Facebook doesn't care about me. I have no ads atm.

well single lady's are looking for me , i have bad credit, i like to gamble, and something else that i am not sure what it is. ( i hate adds where you have to work out it is what you need.) over all i would like to know just what they are backing these adds on. because i think it must be who is paying them the most money.

Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers! Hope you have a wonderful day!!

Awesome evening! Many thanks to all the organizers. It was great to spend time with my cerb friends, new and old.

Congrats Renegade !!! Always enjoy your posts ! A true fellow Manitoba gentleman......and next year this time of year perhaps you and I shall be chanting ... Go Jets Go !! ?? !! ;)

First, I will say don't be discouraged by these bargin hunters. Rates are a personal thing and if someone calls you and scoffs at them, it's not your problem. The service we provide as SPs is NOT a basic necessity but for some, they think it is and think they are entitled to getting a BJ for $50. Self entitlement for some plays a key role in our frustration as SPs as many of us think of it as a business while taking pride in it and not just slapping up an ad and expect to make a few bucks or whatever we can get. Once in a blue moon, I get asked "What can I get for $60?" To be honest, my smart ass bitchy inner voice would like to say " How about a kick in the pants!" However, I'm a professional so I grit my teeth and would like to rip my hair out when asked that question. Instead, I don't even reply. They are not my target market. Secondly, it's all where you advertise. If you are going on those so called classified sites where you pay X amount only to NOT find your ad there because their customer service department is crap, only letting you post a certain amount of info and they let competition flag your ad. What kind of business is that? I admit to using these types of in the past and have gotten some great customers but for every 10 callers, I found only one good customer who becomes a regular. Putting up with one liner questions such as "Rates?" "BBBJ?".. Again, this tells me they are out for the sexual act and not the experience. Since not advertising there for a long time, I have found better customers and already have a long list of established regulars and found that I don't need to use that site as much as I used to. At the same time, I am a seasoned SP and can weed through these guys like a lawnmower just based on the vibe I get from them, how they speak to me and the questions they ask. So once in a while I will put an ad there but often times have to put myself in a certain place to deal with those callers and not get frustrated. I was recently helping out a newer SP and I could see how agitated she was getting with being put on the spot and not being able to deal with the types of questions asked. I decided to answer for her so she could listen to how I spoke with them and it resulted in being a double edged sword with someone then asking about me and that I had the sexiest voice. Okay, that didn't work out too well. Third, are you just offering sexual acts or the whole experience? This will completely define your target market. Invest in your business and while you have to spend money to make money, it is well worth the investment. Advertising here is a great start and move onto a website along with banners. You will find that there will be less and less headaches of having to put up with these bargin hunters who don't give a hoot who is servicing them and completely limit their selection of woman based on price. The potential customer who is looking for the "experience" will take time to do his research and will have read and understand the information you have put out there in whatever type of advertising avenue you have chosen. In their eyes, they are hoping the experience you offer will be well worth it and if you are an SP who is good at what she does, you won't have a problem with this. In some ways, I can understand where these bargin hunters want the best SP for less in basic terms of receiving a service on a level comparable to other products or service industries but what they don't take into consideration is once again this service is a luxury and also we are not car tires or snow blower machines. They do not need a BJ as opposed to when they need to buy a loaf of bread to put on the table. SPs are not commodities although some men like to treat us this way. This has been the turning point in this business and it hasn't been for the best. They want everything for $60 but then feel cheated because they didn't get this or that, the girl was a clock watcher and kicked them out once finished to completion or the person's place was a dive. What do they expect for that kind of money? You get what you pay for in these scenarios. Don't let this get you down though. There are plenty of men who do appreciate us and understand where we are coming from in a business sense. There are a lot of behind the scenes work we do as SPs to complete the perfect ambience when a client visits us. This includes, cleaning, vacuuming, laundry, time travelling to various incall locations as in my case, making ourselves looks good. This is all part of the job and there is no way in hell, I'm going to do all that for a $60 BJ just because someone has money to burn in their pocket. The time invested has to be equivalent to the outcome and that is the rate we charge. Stick to your guns about what YOU feel your time is worth and put it out into the universe. Ask, believe and receive is my philosophy in this business.

sometimes it's less the touch that you crave, as the person doing the touching.

Awesome post, I feel that for the most part we make informed choices, and that I believe that choices I have made were not wrong, and really I think we should always look forward and not backwards. But I get it. Think about you future choices, but don't every regret the ones you have made, that will only make you bitter.

Because of the outstanding recommendations she's been getting, I'd like to nominate CMJCourtney as cerb goddess of the day. I had the pleasure of meeting her this week, and she's awesome! Her reco's: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124971 Her Front :) And Back (find the tan lines...) :)

I will take my chances with having my wallet with me. The vehicle probably has a better chance of be lifted than the wallet.

"One more quick note about hygiene "down there". I actually came across a posting about that and it got into the gentleman as well. Perhaps I should have responded to that post but it was so old I let it slide. Anyway, all seemed to be in agreement that it should be clean shaven or very well trimmed. Wow ... that one threw me for a loop. I've tried the shaving and/or grooming things a few times in my life and don't like it at all. Is this type of grooming truly expected on both sides these days?" insidevoice My personal choice is....YES, YES, YES...GROOM!!!!! Flossing with pubic hair is difficult as they are not usually long enough to wrap around my fingers for a grip and if they are long enough then there really is a problem! I also hate discreetly fishing for a stray that's loose in my mouth while trying to focus on more important things. I am sure if I ever end up on a C.S.I. autopsy table, there will be a hairball lodged somewhere inside containing multiple donor strands which they will have fun trying to figure out which belongs to whom because the strays sometimes head south before I can catch them! If you can't keep it smooth, at least keep it well manicured. Many SPs offer grooming as part of their sessions, just inquire cause it's lots of fun! Catherine

cancellation and what to do if you have to cancell, or if an appointment gets cancelled on you. Unusual Situations sub catagory of what to do if condom breaks, testing..... Planning how far in advance...week...day...hours....what to expect. clock watching what to expect in the way opf a true courtesan vs. a woman who has 5 clocks in the room. Or should it be up to the client to watch the clock. When does the time start and finish..... Rates what to usually expect from lower rates vs. higher rates. Touring ladies Vs. Local talent working behind the scenes to help touring ladies come to town......spread the word of them and get people to help convince them...is it worth it or recomended.

That first ice breaker is important whether its a firm hug, gentle kiss or both. I also like the lady to be happy so I usually ask do they like something specific. Pleased and be pleased! To me music playing in the background rather than the TV blaring is far superior. Soft lighting or candlelight is a nice enhancer to the experience.

When you first meet one another, a very generous hug and kiss at door when you 1st meet goes a long way, and really breaks the ice.:D Generally speaking from my own experiences that 1st moment really takes the encounter to a very relaxed atmosphere which is great for both parties involved. Plus at that stage, I always hand over my envelope, to get the transaction out of the way.:) 2ndly....Some very nice two way conversation also helps you feel relaxed...who cares what you talk about..but it helps to simply relax yourself. It is not a matter of grabbing your SP's hand and take her to bedroom and wham bam thank you mam...Effection/chat really does enhance that moment. Finally when you are done your fun activities, I like to lay beside my SP, carress and chat if time permitting of course. It really seals the deal. Hopefully Cat, these are the comments you are looking for! My take on it....Pete;) ps.. your personal hygiene goes a long way!! I always clean shave my facial hair, so NO whisker burns for her both regions.I'm fully showered and smell good, if requested to take another shower at her place...not a problem. I never used foul language when meeting/during activities with an SP it is just common courtesy.Yes I know some may say...come on ------ (SP name) you like to me to fu-- you hard now don't you...sorry but that is not my way.

1. Deciding what kind of experience you are looking for 2. Determining what kind of SP to use?ie, agency vs indie 3. Planning the encounter, contacting, appropriate language etc 4. Fees, tipping, true cost 5. Etiquette and hygiene 6. Unusual situations All of these have been addressed and once I get it done I will forward the final copy to the Mod to post in its entirety. I want personal experiences so that I can compare what I have written to the experience of the hobbiest. I have been on the client end of the stick on many occasions, as a woman I think my experience is probably very different that that of a man... Catherine