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Ladies and gents, its now official !! The Ottawa September Social will be held Thursday, September 19th, so mark your calendar!! There will be 60 spots available (30 gents and 30 ladies) for members in good standing. Gents, tickets will be made available soon, at a cost of $35, which will cover snacks, drinks for the ladies and door prizes. I will keep everyone up to date via this thread as things progress. As it's an event organized by CERB members for members, you can contact myself, Loneskater or Spud271 directly should you have questions. Cheers!! MisterT

I've been in this business for quite awhile. I wouldn't have stayed in it if I wasn't able to make a living and support my loved ones without doing irreparable, deep harm to myself. In the beginning, it was touch-and-go, so to speak. But I was new, had plenty to learn and the only thing that mattered to me initially was that I needed to earn a lot of money as quickly as possible. I was subjected to enormous pressure over the low fees I was charging, even then. Some people will try to bully, pressure or negotiate the fee, no matter how low it is to begin with. When I raised my rates the first time, I felt as though I was taking my children's lives in my hands. I was completely astonished to find that I had no trouble finding worthwhile clients who didn't question my quoted fees. Not only that, but they were generally a lot easier to deal with. I decided that was because they were making a clear decision to spend their money with me, whereas at the beginning I was attracting clients for whom the low fee wasn't really an issue to begin with. The next time I raised my rates, I was hesitant but not as anxious as I had been before. I wanted to see fewer people and was willing to put the effort into attracting them and then into encouraging them to return for another visit. Again, there were good clients out there who didn't question my fees. There were some who were dismissive or combative, but by that point I didn't care what they thought. I was earning what I needed to earn and I was seeing people I enjoyed. As far as I'm concerned that's the definition of near-perfection. I still receive occasional e-mail from men who think that insulting me may help convince me to see them. I've been told that I have an undeserved opinion of myself, that only a 23-year old woman who looks like a Barbie doll is worth what I charge, that in these "tough economic times" I have an obligation to lower my fees because the inquirer is having a hard time meeting his expenses and that no one really wants to pay so much for someone who's been "used" by many others before him. I've become an expert at pressing the "delete" key quickly. I'm fortunate not to need to advertise very often. I turn away far more people than I engage with because I don't have to make time for people who don't interest me. I'm thankful that I can afford to see the gentlemen I want to see. If you can't afford my fees, that's a shame. It's not my problem, though. If you're impatient to see me and don't want to wait until you can afford to spend time with me, I understand. Healthy adults have learned to delay gratification so I'm sure you'll manage somehow. If you decide that, instead of seeing me, you'll see someone whose fees are lower than mine, that's your choice. It doesn't actually have anything to do with me. That's really what it comes down to. What you can afford to pay is about you, not me. It's not my problem and it's not something I will take on. You can't afford my time, but others can.

I agree with the sentiment that we should not objectify people, whether women in this industry or not but perhaps the delivery could have been done without the final paragraph. To put down those with a lower rate than yourself, to say that you get what you pay for implies that there is a hierarchy based on rate in this industry when in fact I don't agree with that. We all offer different services, model our businesses differently and service different areas of the market. There is a market for the $80-100 ladies and yes some of those ladies may not offer great service but then some ladies that have rates much higher than mine also are not "gems". To say that price is the determining factor means that I am about twice as good as you and I don't believe anyone can say that. We simply target a different clientele and have a different business model, we may appeal to different people as well but there may be some overlap, of that I am not entirely sure as I am not in Ottawa that often. I think it's important for everyone to realise though that there is a market for everyone has a role. Some of these ladies are likely not happy in their present situation but that can happen in any market. I know ladies that do not enjoy the longer dinner dates and travel that I prefer, they like to focus on the shorter 1hr engagements. I myself will not offer those as I do not enjoy them. It doesn't make any one of us better or worse, and definitely does not guarantee you are a better companion than anyone else in the eyes of your client. What makes you a better business woman is when you recognize what works best for you and work within your comfort zone, clients appreciate someone that is happy offering a service they enjoy and from my understanding that is what you do. Perhaps some of the ladies that offer shorter dates or have a profit model that is based on higher volume are also content in their situation and I don't think it's right for us to put them down for that. **** end of my little detour **** As to the topic... Personally I don't get a lot of the negotiating requests, when I do I stop to re-evaluate where I am marketing and my ad content. I can ignore one or two emails about my consideration but more than that means I am somehow failing in my communication and I need to be more effective. As an example recently I decided to post on a new advertising board and had several people contact me about my "one hour rate" or perhaps "I'll contact you again in a week when you drop your rates, you must be new." I was in a city I had visited several times so I wasn't at all concerned about it, the only new factor was the new board I had advertised on but all the additional emails about the rates were a make work situation for my assistant so I was able to determine quite quickly this was not a place I would be advertising in the future and in fact I deleted the ad early as I didn't want her to be wasting time answering these inquiries. It wasn't the fault of the potential client but rather I wasn't reaching out to my market.

... until the day arrives that someone is negotiating percentage points for interest on a loan to lay along side me in my bed I will not negotiate my consideration. As long as my service costs less than a day at a golf tournament, it isn't up for discussion. I am a negotiator, anyone who knows me will attest that I can be embarrassing to go shopping with. I will negotiate any PRODUCT price and have done so in stores from Walmart to Holt Renfrew but I don't negotiate with my lawyer, my mechanic, my general contractor, my accountant, my hairdresser, my nail shop or my RMT. These are MY service providers and I value the work they do because it is quality and I trust them to give me their best every time I walk thru the door. All I ask is that I'm treated with the same respect when I give my best as I do each and every time a guest walks thru my door... cat

In this age of social media and different ways to connect with people, blogs have become a very big part of the communication structure. Many of the lovely ladies of CERB now have a blog as an extra form of communication and sharing. My question for those of you who browse and enjoy our blogs, what would you enjoy seeing? Seeing more of? Seeing less of? Would you like more personal sharing about life as an MA/SP? Stories of our adventures, pictures, Q&A? Personally, I like to think of my blog as a way to share with those I might meet or have met. Feedback to make it more enjoyable is always great!

Yes please!

I hope to make it :) I had allota fun last social !! Now that I know Mr T's secret maybe I will bring some baking too ;)

Yes, please! I will be there.

Count me in!!

My big bouncy bountiful boobies:)

Thank you Emily for your great wit, sexiness, charm, and personality. I can't wait to meet you in person and congratulate you on the occasion of 1,000 CERB posts, as Midnite so eloquently wrote, "1 lick at a time". :cooter: :D

Wow, thank you so much Miss Midnite for starting this thread and everyone else for all the love and your awesome comments! :) I love you guys too, and am so happy to be here! :) xoxo

I know people that will negotiate all services. What I find amusing is they feel that they got a "deal" to begin with and then complain when they didn't get all that they wanted or needed. Negotiating multi-hour rates like a court case or a custom built house is one thing, taking 5-10% off $100 000 still leaves a viable cash flow and small excess can be trimmed where needed to accommodate the discount. Asking me to take a 40% pay cut on my fee that has not increased in 9 years for a luxury service is simply arrogant and insulting. Pussy is not a poor mans hobby and if a man needs a discount because he genuinely doesn't have it in his pocket then he should realize that he genuinely CAN'T AFFORD to be hobbying and needs to get his financial house in order... cat

is not acceptable! This isn't a flea market. Take the time to find out what options a lady offers (ie length of time and corresponding donations) and either book with her or continue your search! BTW "can you do x amount of time for x amount of donation?" is akin to negotiating!

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But, 'quickie' has u & i together hehe... Hello Gentlemen, My name is Sasha, I'm a young fit MA who loves to massage and can do it for hours. My sensual erotic GFE massage will relieve your tension while I provide you with sexy teasing fun that will lead to an explosion of heavenly pleasure, just tell me what your into. I'm petite 5'4, athletic 120 lbs, perky b34 bust, dark hair, golden tan, juicy round bum, seductive lips, hazel bedroom eyes and very open minded fun and comfortable to be with. Join me for some hot steamy fun available 10am-9pm call 613-614-2117 -Sasha xoxo

Leonard Cohen - If It Be Your Will 'Mad World', originally by Tears for Fears, which I love, but this cover by Gary Jules just kills me Tori Amos, 'Me and a Gun'. I saw her perform this one, at a smaller venue in Toronto, and I was in the front row. It was chillingly mesmerizing, I think the entire audience was brought to tears. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xjlWFjX1Yw

I'm glad this was brought up. I started to feel a little uneasy when rates are used in a sense to form a judgement.

Greetings, I'm an instinctively sensual woman with a playful demeanor. I believe a sensual massage lies within using both hands and body to simultaneously relax and excite the senses. I take the time to savior the entire experience and seek guests that share in my vision. My availability this week: Monday 10am-4pm Tuesday 3:30pm-11pm Wednesday 10am-4pm My recommendations: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43994&highlight=sensual+erin I'm excited for my new venture and to meet the very lovely angels team. Care to help me earn my wings? ;) Please call 613 274 7073, or pm to book our reservation. Sensually yours, Erin xoxo

Thank you to everyone who has responded so far. It's been really helpful to read your comments and has definitely provided some insight on how I could handle such a situation in the future. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to recommend they not read my recommendations if it causes them unhappiness and move on from there. I should probably also mention that although I'm a paid companion, the experience I have with everyone is different. I don't want to insinuate that they are more special than everyone else because that wouldn't be fair/true and could do more harm than good. Also, I shouldn't have to lie to appease someone's insecurity about my lifestyle, chosen employment, etc. Perhaps the undercurrent of such comments about recommendations is a hope that the relationship can become more than what it is currently. Or a desire to move beyond the negotiated realm of an SP/client relationship. If that's the case, then obviously there is nothing I can do. I'm simply not sure what's expected of me in those moments. I care deeply about people and it upsets me to think my lifestyle causes people harm in those moments. As many have expressed, it isn't my problem, and while I agree I definitely find it hard nonetheless. I'm empathetic, what can I say? I think I get lost in my own thoughts when I start thinking about the complexities of these relationships we have on CERB. There are so many layers to our interactions! I wouldn't change any of it for the world though. I absolutely adore this profession. I love interacting with people, making connections, and even in these more difficult moments I still learn so much about others, and myself. It's a great way to live.

Is it too intimate? In some ways, yes it is... For the first 15 years of my career, no kissing or daty was industry wide S.O.P. These were services that were offered only to very trusted regulars at a girls discretion. I couldn't wait to get home and kiss my husband after a long nights work. The kisses were the ignition to me wanting him. It wasn't until I arrived in Canada that I was faced with the fact that clients expect it on the first visit. I loved to kiss but it was a challenge for me because kissing is the most intimate act I participate in and adding it to daily menu desensitized me to it and it has come with a cost in my personal sex life. I can no longer achieve a deeper level of intimacy and connection with personal play partners as I used to and it makes it far less appealing to play simply for fun. If my lips are engaged, I'm all in because I can't separate my kisses from my kitty. This was one of the main reasons for the break down of my marriage altho I didn't recognize it at the time. I genuinely enjoy my work, I can orgasm easily when kissed properly and I love skin but given that guests want access to every part of me, I seldom have any needs left for personal lovers to tend to. It's a win for guests as they get an authentic experience but a loss for me because I have no interest in a sexual relationship on a personal level. Even men who I have amazing connections with on an emotional level never get to first base because my itches have been scratched. Men don't want to cuddle and hang out long term if there's no sugar on the horizon so I don't even bother to try and date. If a provider feels kissing is too intimate, then respect that. She knows what works for her. I wasn't less gratified in my work when I didn't kiss or allow oral, I still loved providing the service and my ensuring my guests left satisfied. They just weren't entitled to every little bit of me for less than a monthly car payment. I didn't realize when I tried to stay competitive that it would come with such an expensive personal pricetag... cat

I've only been on CERB for a couple of weeks and have yet to meet any of the MAs or SPs ... yet :D. But I am almost positive that if you look through this board for recos of well known MAs, whether indy or spa based, you will be completely safe. That's the beauty of a community such as this. If you choose to see someone whom many of the CERB guys have seen, the lady's reputation is already established and you'll have nothing to worry about.

I prefer lifestyle, then durex second­. I have a really sensitive vagina and some brands irritated me like no tomorrow.

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I have a very curious and active mind and I'm always entertaining myself with thoughts and questions and improvements. My question of the day is about after the fun and bliss is over and it's time to get dressed is there a preferred way to do this? Do you like to just dress on your own and put yourself proper? Do you enjoy being helped? Include some after play (touching, kissing) or not? Do you mind being watched? As sexy as it is to watch the clothes coming off, it can also be very sexy to watch them go back on and seeing the conversion from lover to "business" or to "other".

Just to let you all know. Above Halifax SP is using false images on her BP ad. I searched the images and contacted both SP's in Ont and told them about the situation. Stay away from this girl.

To get back to your original question, there are many thread s inquiring about this, in all the different provinces and communities, we currentlt have one in PEI and one in Nova Scotia within the past month... You may as well start a new one for the location yiu desire. BTW , I just experienced whatever you want to put down for abbreviation, and it was super hot, myself and another male hobbiest with an SP.... :)

Congrats Emily !

I will be there!

Damnit! Can't make it. I'll be somewhere over the Atlantic ocean flying to Europe when you guys are having fun!

Tears in Heaven by Eric Clapton came out around when my dad passed away and it has reminded me of him ever since.

I saw a sale ad advertising shoes at Wicked Wandas on rogers tv channel 4 They are on Bank st I believe near Gladstone.

way to go love, all of your posts have been great and wonderful. hope to see many more.

For sure Emily J. is insightful, 'always with something real to say... Congrats on this milestone!

As others have already mentioned, there is no harm in contacting an MA you like and asking :) I have met several people who prefer a more relaxed and sensual session with lots of caressing and emotional connection. Some tips I would have are: 1. Opt for a longer session. Though an MA can be sincere regardless of time constraints, it is difficult to make the experience feel genuine in just 30 minutes, especially for the first encounter. 2. Build some rapport before you walk in the door! The phone is your friend. Text or call your MA to check out her personality. Do you two mesh well? Email is fine too. Talking beforehand will not only give you a sense of the MA's character, but will also generate some interesting fodder for conversation on your first visit. This is particularly important if you are looking for a GFE experience because your expectations go beyond looks. Obviously don't expect to talk to the MA for hours on end, they are busy women, but no one will mind a few minutes on the phone and some emails back and forth. 3. Don't be scared to ask the MA for a short introductory session. I always suggest this to new clients who want to book me for longer, GFE style appointments. Chemistry is incredibly important and if you don't want to drain your piggy bank for naught, save on the frills the first time and just come in for the basics. A session can almost always be extended once in room (unless there is another appointment booked right after yours). To avoid that issue, ask to book at off-peak hours. Hope this helps!

Down with bras! :boobies: The "perks" of having smaller boobies is that I rarely have to wear a bra! Some people like them, but I hate them!! :) YAY for free flowing titties!

First of all, it is RMT - not RTM. RMT means REGISTERED Massage Therapy. In order to be an RMT, they must follow among other things, a code of ethics, code of practices, carry liability insurance and other issues. One of the code of practices states: Client to be draped, so that the client's genitalia or gluteal cleft are not exposed. According to the code of ethics, they must being alert to and reporting, as required, any unethical practice by any member of MTAM; reporting to appropriate authorities any health care practitioner who abuses a client physically, verbally, sexually or financially; I could easily be an RMT, however, I choose not to, as I would not be able to provide services other then massage therapy. If you want to use your health coverage to pay for massage therapy, that is what you will get. However, if you want anything extra and have your health provider pay for your happy ending, you will most likely get charged with fraud and possibly sexual assault. When I go to my doctor for a pap test, and I asked if he could also give me a fuck at the same time (after all, my legs are open, and he just has to insert his penis inside me), he would be drummed out of physicians college for this. There is no difference in getting an RMT to do this then getting my gyno to give me a happy ending - after all, my medical coverage should pay for this - right? Please, don't try to get RMT's to give you a happy ending and get your health coverage to pay for this. The RMT would consider this sexual assault, and most likely report you to the police for trying. If you want anything extra, find a provider that gives this service. And of course, your health coverage should not have to pay for this - this is something you have to pay for.

I know the economy isn't the best but this is pretty sad. If you can't afford the rate of a real woman you should stick to drunk chicks at the club or something.

Is there a particular agency your wondering about? Have you looked through the bait and switch section? When in doubt use tineye doll.

To each their own. I was getting a bj once, and she just reached up, and grabbed my hand. And as bizarre as this may sound, holding hands just seemed too intimate for me. Never mind that there was a completely naked girl giving me a blowjob while I'm wearing nothing as well. I find a grade school act of romance too intimate. I've seen ladies who do not kiss, and it's been a great experience without that. The only issue here is if she advertised those services, or gave you the impression that it was okay. For an SP, I'd hazard a guess saying that it would be standard, but I guess from now own, you know to ask. I'm just wondering if perhaps you may have been expecting more because of this: From my understanding, this is rare. And regardless of how often this happens, it does not indicate future services.

I often find when I'm looking for some company it's after work is done and things have settled down and I have time to relax. When that does happen it is usually later at night (not necessarily midnight, but often not far off). Any idea who are the late night ladies? I don't want to be the jerk to call and wake somebody up.

Here's a REAL life example and the parents just don't seem to understand Holden Hiscock That poor child....

Savannah Lane, you sound like a lady after my own heart, bless you!!! We may be providers but we're hot blooded ladies as well which means we get turned on, hungry and have the same cravings as anyone else. This means sometimes we restrain ourselves because of time or the gentleman's own behavior/actions. Thankfully there are times we don't have to. If you gentleman think you don't impact us the same way you say we impact you, you are SO wrong. One of the amazingly wonderful things about this job!

Well really no after the fun getting dressed ritual. But one of the ladies I've seen, well on our first encounter, she had another appointment (not as an escort btw) right after our date. She had her bra in her hand, but couldn't find her panties (no didn't steal them LOL) She was in a panic, "where are my panties, can't find my panties" and we both looked high and low in my hotel room Well black panties when tossed on the floor half under a desk are hard to see...but we found them But she was really cute, this beautiful lady, in a panic, searching high and low in the nude...did I mention she is beautiful?...for her panties. I was a bit more relaxed searching, the room wasn't that big and I knew the panties didn't run away, and they were actually found pretty quickly I liked the way she put on her bra too, (well I like any way a lady puts on her bra.) She put it on backwards, spun it around, slipped her arms through the straps and then adjusted the cups with a lot of jiggle...don't know if that was for my benefit or not but I did like seeing her do it, I must confess. RG

I'm relatively new to cerb, but not new to the concept of respecting my fellow man (or woman in this case). It seems the question is one of economics, not pleasure or consideration. Personally I like to fully appreciate all the nuances of the experience: ...the first impression...takes a few minutes to absorb that which your companion has hopefully taken some time to prepare ...the cleanse...I don't care if I showered in the elevator on the way up to my date I want to feel exceptionally clean and I want my date to be assured that I am as well (pays dividends I think) and a little help with that task is always appreciated ...the chat ... even if its an old friend and she's already gotten a head start ;) ...takes a few minutes to navigate ...the deed... I like to take my time to give as much as I receive ... and I would like to think that I am not at McDonalds but rather enjoying a fine dining experience ...the cool down...after any quality workout its important to stretch and allow the heart to return to normal...hopefully your heart is breaking a little knowing you have to leave ...the wrap up...unfortunately life goes on and you do have to go and unless you have underperformed and your date is handing your clothes to you in a ball and escorting you to the door...this as well will take a few minutes Consequently I don't see 45 min as being anything more than a quick release, and I can do that myself if need be...and would likely run longer than shorter thus disrespecting the lady in question. A wise man once said to me "life is more about the journey than the destination...enjoy the walk" If the issue is one of compromise on time and expense I like the 90 min option! ...Jay

I'd go back and visit my 16 year old self and inform him of everything my 39 year old self now knows, then I'll have known then what I know now....

I would go back to this past Friday

This is a tough one... it changes history to "what if story"... Imagine that you could go back and make Hitler's dad pull out instead of completing the conception of little Adolph. Now fast forward 53 years. Instead of Adolph, there could have been another guy that is equally megalomaniacal but actually likes the Jews. You then have a World War Two Germany with one of the most incredible armed forces ever seen AND the ability to produce atomic weapons.... sometimes changing the smallest thing has huge implications. All that being said, if I could go back for 12 hours.... I think I would go back about 25 years and have a fantastic day with my grandfather... and let him know just how amazing he was... how much he meant to me. He has been gone for 15 years and I still don't go a day without thinking about him.