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Let me clarify then. This woman obviously has allowed you into her private life and it is now being written about in a public forum with a PM system. I view a post like this with all of it's implications akin to a quilting bee, rumour mill or a gossip circle. Even if it is true, it is none of our business and without her direct consent should not be a topic of conversation on a business internet forum. When a provider allows a client insight into her personal life it is a given that it is a privilege and therefore the information is not to be disclosed to the general public unless she herself has posted about it previously. Just because one person is privy to private information doesn't mean the community is in need of knowing. I do realize that you didn't give out information that would identify the SP to us but I'm sure you have received (or will) PMs asking who he speaks about. We never know who will say what to whom which is why we guard and protect all that is precious to us from clients. Just don't go there. She has obviously fallen into difficult times, it needn't become the topic of the week. Discretion is a verb and it goes both ways... cat

And gentlemen wonder why SPs lock down their personal lives or just outright lie about their situations... cat

This is a topic we (Myself and the staff at Escorts-Canada) have always struggled since day one. We hated to see good people getting slandered but on the flip side we hate to see bad SP's (Bait and switch, scams, etc..) getting away with scamming the guys .... but the only solution we could come up with was the cerb concept of positive board with recommendations only (as it is a lot easier to say something bad about someone then write something nice) Now, a few years ago I pitched the idea of a MENS area just like we have for the SP ONLY area. I am still not opposed to this, in fact the guys can do this themselves already with the private social groups and invite other guys to share private info and they can share private info in PM's as long as the info is not unsolicited. Just like the SP ONLY area this would be an area that men could have where either the public can not see the posts (this means search engines do NOT index info from this area either) or the section is READABLE but only qualified members can post in this area but either way you have to EARN the ability to post in that area and possibly read that area. This would be the only area where negative comments are welcome and only by qualified members (an extension to the already existing bait and switch and dangerous encounters warning area of each city). If the area was PRIVATE I would make sure the general population of the site knew about it so that it gives everyone something to work for and encourage contributions. My idea was instead of verified by ID or CREDIT CARD or a PAID AREA (I don't think that would fly here in canada) but they EARN the right to get into this area by contributing to the site. To make it even more secure we could help the ladies and the guys both by creating a SP ONLY verification system for the guys. I would also suggest a system where the ladies who have SP ONLY access (Verified) could also VERIFY a guy (some sort of thing on his profile where if 3 or more SP's click it then his account is VERIFIED (or even a rating system like BAD CLIENT, GOOD CLIENT, GREAT CLIENT, ABSOLUTE GENTLEMAN) and only verified SP's would be able to rate and see these ratings but if the guy gets verified by so many SP's he gains access to the VERIFIED MEMBERS area with access to the bad date info too? (again the ladies are already able to do this in social groups, in the SP ONLY area and in PM's so it's just making that easier for them if it was on each guys profile). For the guys to gain access we could have it as a level promotion (100 or even 500 posts and a member for at least 6 months before they graduate into that area) basically the ELITE member status or SENIOR MEMBER status this way they have time to see what cerb is all about, can't create an account here with the intention of slandering someone and also once they work that hard at building a reputation they don't want to risk loosing it by abusing this privilege. If someone was to gain access then be banned and sneak back onto the site they would need to start from scratch to earn that level back (so it's something more to loose as well so it would cut down on abuse a lot) Just some ideas that with some work I think would fly and keep in the spirit of cerb. The industry is changing a great deal (laws and sites like BP) so a responsible site like cerb will be more and more in demand as time goes on if the industry continues in this direction. We will need to adapt and grow but it's just a matter of how we do this and with the help of the council here and feedback from all of you (The members) I think we can make it work for everyone.

Boundaries can be blurred for a variety of reasons. Life is complicated and relationships are sometimes complex, including those we have in this industry. While the blurring of boundaries isn't the norm, people are people, and sometimes people meet in this profession and become friends, develop relationships, get married, break up, reach out to each other for help and/or support and genuinely enjoy each others' company. We're all vulnerable, and our hearts are tender. This isn't the only profession where boundaries can be and are sometimes blurred. Any caring type profession has these issues as well (nannies, nurses, care-givers, therapists, doctors, etc.). It's an interesting question for sure, but I doubt you'll get much response. When those boundaries are blurred it really is a privilege and a gift. It should be respected as such. :)

On the facial recognition thing - I've had face pictures out and openly been an escort for three years, and have gone to the States at least a dozen times, probably more actually, during that time. I've never had a problem. I do understand completely why many chose not to show their face, but I honestly don't think worry about crossing to the States should be a deterrent. For future jobs... I do get it. And I 100% respect peoples choices and hope the gentlemen always respect that some women keep their face private. But not long ago I had someone tell me that if I really do want to start a bakery in the future, I should get my face photos off the internet. That it would ruin my ability to open MY OWN bakery one day. I basically told him to go fuck himself. I am a businesswoman now, and will be in the future with my bakery. If someone won't come buy my cupcakes because they know I've been an escort, then sucks to be them. I will *not* be shamed for what I do.

I think we should leave the negative review area for other sites, Cerb is doing just fine the way it is. As for the verified membership so these particular members can post negative reviews if they give out their real personal identities, this is a non starter because most come here for discretion, and do you really think that Mod doesnt know who you are? For real I mean, your IP address is your identity!! If the whole idea is for a review of the gentlemen so there is a reference point for safety reasons for SP's, this already exists on this site, the only problem is that newer SPs do not have access and most never will.. Maybe a poll on this issue could be started? You already know which way I will vote

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Interesting topic. I completely understand all the reasons why ladies choose not to show their faces and I respect everyone's own choices to live and operate as they see fit for their own situation, since everyone's circumstances are different. For me, I am completely "out" about what I do. Everyone in my life who matters, knows what I do. And I don't hide it from people I meet. My face was already "out there" from some amateur adult stuff I did when I was younger, so when I first started this, I didn't really feel a real need to hide my identity. I know that what goes on the internet is there for life, but it really doesn't bother me. Since my family knows, and respects my choices and love me for me, and I don't have children, and don't want any ever, I am free to live my life any way I want. I don't really understand about the facial recognition thing or how it relates to this. I mean, I understand the technology, but don't really get why US border services would do that to random innocent people crossing the border, however it doesn't surprise me at all. But in any event, I was already banned from the states several years ago for something completely unrelated to this (a really stupid thing when I was 19). I even bought an all-inclusive trip to Vegas last winter, thinking that after all these years, my federal pardon would be enough to allow me to cross, but nope, it wasn't. So fuck them. I have no interest in going to the United States ever again in my life, so that is not a concern at all for me, personally. I also feel like being 100% open with people about my profession, and not hiding my face, this is my small personal contribution to the fight against "stigma" we face. At this point, I have no interest in attending rallies, protests or meetings, but I do think that it is important for us to be heard and give an identity to the modern day prostitute. We are not the creepy skanky diseased, drug addicted scumbags that the media often portrays us as; we are normal people. By me being open with family, friends, and especially strangers, it shows a range of people that we are just regular women. We are mothers, daughters, nieces, friends, and we don't look any different than they do. We have just chosen a different type of work! I really like this job, and plan to be in it for as long as I do enjoy it, so I am putting everything I have into it, no holds barred. If the day came that for some reason I wanted to leave this profession, I could quite seamlessly slip back into my previous career at any time, and because of the type of work I used to do, I am lucky enough that being an SP would have no effect over my ability to be successful at it. One of my best friends from my teenage years, who I haven't spoken to in a few years texted me out of the blue the other day, with just the words "Emily J?". My heart skipped a beat and I laughed to myself. I guess he saw me online somewhere. I didn't know how he would react but it was a great conversation and the last thing he said was "If anyone messes with you, let me know and I'll set them straight!". :) LOL. So, I have come to accept and just assume that everyone knows. And that's fine because I heard a saying once that stuck with me.. "Those who mind, don't matter, and those who matter, don't mind." And I really believe in that. I only have one life, and I am not going to live it on other people's terms. I've always strived to live a completely honest existence and it's a good feeling. :)

Consider this a cautionary tale... I have been declined positions pouring coffee, answering phones and cleaning houses in the not so distant past because I was outed as a "former" sex worker which popped up when my government name was googled. I've been told I'm "unemployable" and can't even volunteer my time with any reputable charities that aren't sex work related. One never knows what the future will bring and the stigma will be there whether your life is going well or not. If a provider ends up in front of a judge, potential employer or landlord who know their history or their present; it's a high probability that it isn't going to end well. The real threat isn't from the casual cruiser of the internet recognizing us on the street but from those closest to us handing over the damaging links to hurt us. The ex husbands, boyfriends, best friends, roomies and less than loved family members are the most dangerous. My Canadian notoriety happened because my FATHER outed my decade old history to the Globe and Mail. Please, ladies who are considering showing their faces; don't make the decision lightly. It can never be undone... cat

So why a subscription to a board to get involved in with negative reviews, when you just sign up for free on other "erb" boards ? and than read the negative reviews there? I see no real advantage, I just don't see it getting off the ground. If it is a security/screening method for ladies, well that already happens in the SP section, furthermore ladies should/(some already do have) a screening process, it is for their own protection. I've been a long time member on here and have posted many rec's about my time with SP's or Ma's,probably about 16-17 pages unlike some here that do not give back info here at all and have been long time members. I think the lurkers get a full advantage from us that share our experiences,but it happens on most boards. As to the numbering system mentioned above, we had that at one time, it is now gone except for 2 items-location/atmosphere. For myself, posting a rec it was a way of thanking the ladies, and giving back to the gentlemen that share their times as well. If I did not enjoy myself with the lady I simply say nothing at all, lately I am behind in posting some recommendations here, and almost feel at times simply to stop writing. Here is why... I get questioned so much lately about "who to see" "what's your thoughts on lady a) or lady b) and who would you pick" But yet when I look at their profile, and to be quite blunt "They give fuck all back to this board" and I feel that you know what, why don't you spend your cash, as I work hard for mine. A good friend (lady) also agrees with myself that these guys get the advantage from others. Getting off track...But do you think these guys that already lurk get free info, would sign up for a subscription to write a bad review, when they hardly participate here now? Rather than having a subscription I often wonder, how are the guys that don't want to TOFTT when prolific posters stop posting recommendations here? I have found since 2007 there was a wealth of good reporting/recommendations and business was great, now I find that there is more lurkers than ever, and of course those that might only see 1-5 ladies a year and really post nothing still lurk. I have my paid P411 membership for another year used by Canadian ladies and ladies from USA now I have mentioned this about 3 times before, and I will say it again, for protection/screening for women this site has got some great information for ladies. Therefore if there was a subscribed area here, on this board, I don't think I would participate in it, I would be duplicating what I already started with another site (P411) BTW I'm not here promoting another site simply stating a fact ;)

If your wording in this isn't meant as I'm taking it then I'll apologize for what I have to say, but I find your statement so blaze that it caught me off guard and offended me. She was worthy at her 10 position but know that she is a "shadow" oh well! Surely at the beginning this person must have displayed some evidence of her addition or did her beauty just blind you? I find with some men, and not necessarily you, if a girl is a rocket any other negativities about her will be overlooked and possibly fed, when the beauty is gone well so is the mans desire to be around her, she's used up so time to move on to the next. I see you have tried to help as you said you drove her to a rehab clinic and dealing with addicts is a long difficult struggle but never just an oh well. It is very sad to see anyone fall into despair, drugs or other harmful behaviors but these people are still worthy, beautiful and valuable just in need of help, support and understanding. I think client sp relationships are best kept at the professional level, but that's just my personal opinion .

And well you know what my answer would be Additional Comments: WHAT I SENT BACK TO HER... :)

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I've got one for you. My niece is around 3 or so, and sometimes she says and does things that are frankly kinda creepy. She sometimes talks about life experiences and things as if she had experienced these things herself, even though it is impossible. I've only witnessed one episode of this type first hand although have been told several. The one I witnessed pertains to ghosts though. My brother and his family, as well as myself were visiting at my mothers house. My niece was talking to my mother, and she said "Grandma, I like coming here, sometimes when I come here my friend is here". My mom asked her which friend, and named a couple of little girls that sometimes come to play when my nieces and nephew come to visit. My niece said "No, his name is Frank". Everyone looked at each other, because none of us knew any kids named Frank, so my mom asked what Frank looked like, and my niece pointed to a picture of my grandparents, and said "that's Frank, and he is saying that lady is named Greta". Of course she had the names right, but she had never met my grandparents, since they had both died before she was born. My brother asked her what she meant by the way she phrased that part about 'he is saying' and didn't she mean to say 'he said' , and she said "no he is saying it, he's right there" and pointed just over my moms shoulder. Needless to say it gave everyone a shock, especially my mom, who already says that sometimes she feels like grandpa is still around. The skeptic in me says that it was just her memory of someone talking about the picture in front of her coupled with her very active imagination, but I'm not entirely convinced that is the explanation.

But this I don't get. If you are dealing with a reputable sp/ma then you already know "real" info about her, that is if you've done your research. She or he will have divulged all pertinent details concerning themselves and their locale upon confirming the appointment so why the reluctance in giving a last name? I just don't understand how any sp/ma could confirm a clients validity with just a first name, references aside. Again I understand a mans concerns when it comes to his discretion but that is what professional sp's are out to protect the most after of course their own safety. Any sp/ma that would divulge clients details would be quickly outed and ruined imo.

I do not support this idea from the information, thoughts and ideas I have read so far, but I am keeping an open mind and I am interested to follow the discussion to see how it progresses.

Thank you, Samantha, for bringing up this topic. It's a topic which deserves review and thoughtful discussion. You mentioned a screening benefit to SPs for those clients who request an appointment and have a verified membership. What would the benefit be, exactly? Would it potentially deter verified members from providing SPs with information they require for their own independent screening? For example, if verified members provide CERB with their real name and other verifiable personal information, perhaps they will be reluctant to provide it to an SP who may/may not be less reliable? There are other websites that work like this. Perhaps some escorts who also use those websites can provide insight on this question (i.e p411). I worry because some SPs might feel pressured to see a client simply because he's paid for a verified membership and then they will have little recourse if something bad happens. Given the above situation, you suggest the information might be disclosed if the client is proven to be dangerous. I wonder what it means, exactly, to be proven as dangerous. Would the CERB council decide this? I ask because sexual assault is such a contentious issue (i.e. what is and isn't assault, who is to 'blame', what he said versus what she said, etc.). It would be awful, absolutely awful, to be doubted in these types of circumstances. It would be equally awful to have to 'prove' to CERB that I was assaulted, or felt violated, or robbed, in order to get the necessary information I need to protect myself. A few thoughts to get the conversation going.

It's fine to talk with an SP and get to know her. It's fine to visit her repeatedly. If she shares private info with you, so be it. A gentleman does not ask personal questions that put the lady in an uncomfortable position or one where she needs to lie to protect herself. VISVERSA a true lady doesn't probe too far with her questions to put the guest on edge. I'm sure relationships are struck up in every walk of life - I'm sure this is no exception. But as with most things in life, discretion is the better part of valour.

@Samantha and Bianca, My take on this possibility, and don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be negative about it... Here is why a possible guy's section may not fly,if we look at status of a member current standards. a) He joins in August 2013 by November 2013 he could conceivably have a granted status by merely posting posts in i.e. "Song threads" "Best Bums" "Fine Lingerie" you get my understanding now where he could give really nothing back within the community/rec's other general discussions and a Sp would know very little about him. The posting can be easily done, as we see it week to week. b) There is already A LOT of long time members that have been lurking, and now knowing that there might be another area for men to review, could lead as what Samantha stated above, a lady being pressured into something she does not want to do,by pressure tactics. A lady that may have 1-2 rec's here is not exactly the end of the world for her, as Bianca stated some of her clients simply don't post on Cerb, in fact I know a couple of ladies that advertise on EC and have lots of clients, and they don't belong to Cerb. I lurk on another "erb" board but don't even post on there,I'm also a member on TER and I think I have only 2 reviews on that board, and both were high regards to the 2 ladies. I simply haven't been there for a while,("erb" ) and I said it before, some speak much differently on here as they do other there. You will always get 2 different POINTS OF VIEW I think if there was to be 2 separate identities in the men's section and the rec section what may be posted. Again I'm not being negative of the possibility but merely giving my opinion. Additional Comments: ANOTHER QUICK POINT OF VIEW When it comes to B&S scammers and rip off artists, I really think this board can use a system as we do now, i.e.- each city section ..... BUT seriously the man that has this sort of crap captured today, is no other than Cowboy Kenny, his site is probably the best tool for those that use other advertising sites for seeking providers. I think if there was a way that this board incorporated his smarts, it would certainly help those that need it. Than again he is very successful on his own with his banners etc etc. KUDO'S to CK

Somedays this idea could be a real winner around here.

+1 Running a personal business is running a business regardless of product. On a side note I'd eat your cupcakes everyday Cleo ;)

If you visited her incall location, you have her address....slightly more potentially dangerous information than your first name, wouldn't you say? My home address is QUITE real to me.

Just wanted to point out that if you have tattoos and post pictures with them showing, your publicly displaying your identity just the same as you would with a face shot. I understand the reasons why some SPs don't post their faces (or tattoos), and that is their choice and they have every right to continue doing so. But as Emily J stated earlier in the thread, some of us are open with friends and family about what we do, and have no reason to mask our identities. Since face photos seem to not be a deal-breaker for most gents, I guess it's just a bonus when a girl does have 'em! ;) And out of curiosity.... How many gents here would turn down hiring a potential secretary (just ONE example) whom they know to have previously been an SP? I just don't see any man on earth saying this to any woman: "I'm sorry, I cannot hire you because I've seen you in a porn flick before" YA RIGHT! If anything, I'd be more worried about my boss expecting "extras" that aren't part of the job description....

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Welcome to CERB. There are some really wonderful ladies in Thunder Bay here, so with your introduction, I am sure you can now start to enjoy play time the way its supposed to be. I would suggest you review the legal forums to learn more about what is legal and what is not. In this day and age, there is no reason to be taking unnecessary chances and risks. You do know that prostitution is Legal, however, solicitation of a lady in public is completely illegal. I would start with this thread. I know its a long one, but well worth the read. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1642 Again, welcome to CERB!

Regarding problems in future jobs, that's sadly a reality. Even if it's discrimination, it's even accepted. Just think of the 2-3 stories of high school teacher or secretary that did porn. Porn is "fully" legal, but when it got out, they all got fired, never mind that the students couldn't legally watch the porn. And I'm sure there's other examples in other type of jobs. =(

First I'm against the idea of membership with negative reviews. I guess I'm lucky the first site I stumbled on was cerb. However if negative review were to be introduced I would suggest that it be in a form were you give rating based on a general criteria, like a questionnaire. Thus eliminating harmful comments, hopefully keeping it to constructive criticism. The major flaw in reviews is that everyone opinion can vary. What if the chemistry wasn't right does this merit a bad review? Perhaps it may be due to lack of communication, they are good at trying to please you but the are no mind readers. Unless you get robbed, assaulted or stiffed somehow I don't believe there should be negative reviews. Then again there is always two side to a story.

The threat/fear of having my information leaked is my biggest concern. There are no circumstances that I would volunteer my personal information for the privilege of a second tier status along with it's associated perks. And here's why: Personal information online have been stolen from much more secure databases. I'm sure the owners/administrators of this website use standard if not extremely secure methods to ensure privacy of Cerb's existing users. But so do many websites who have been successfully hacked. Comparing Cerb to SP411 or other services of this sort is in no way a relief, it's a non-issue. Just because they have not been compromised, it does not mean that it theoretically cannot happen. I have no issue sharing my name and other personal information to an SP that I see, but to share it on a database is completely out of the question. If this was a requirement to simply use Cerb, I'd deactivate my account and go on happily with my life. On to the review section - Honestly, I was dead set against the idea at first, but even in one of the crudest boards I've seen, I noticed a certain rejection of unfair, out of left field criticisms. I am supportive of the idea of a membership level that is open to the ability to leave negative reviews, but I'll get to the specifics of that membership below. Over time I've set up one policy to live by when looking for an SP -How many recommendations does she have, and how long has she been in the business? With a no negative review policy, I decided against seeing a certain SP because of her lack of many recommendations (Despite being in the industry for a while). I could not determine why she had so few, and to basically keep safe, I elected not to see her. With a review instead of a recommendation policy, if she had no negative reviews, I would be much more confident in calling her. Now I just want it clear that an acceptance to a negative review policy is not an acceptance to bashing. There are some legitimate concerns that clients have, and not all ladies treat this with the same level of professionalism that others do. I do not support a ratings (looks/boobs/ass/etc) sort of system. A negative review would in my mind go like this: Call the SP, was very hard to book with/ did not show up. OR Met the SP, looked disinterested/ was not engaging OR Even a simple, based on my experience, I would not recommend/will not be seeing her again. Something along these lines. I do not want to vilify someone even if she did provide an exceptionally terrible service. Now onto Second Tier Memberships Frankly, I don't support the pay to review idea. I understand the verification part, but there are other methods of doing so. From my understanding, to get into the SP only area, a referral is needed by another SP already inside. I like this idea, and I don't see why an SP referral to verified status isn't good enough? Referrals are already used by some SPs to date check someone. And even if personal information was not required for the negative reviews bit, I honestly don't feel the need to pay for that. I just wouldn't bother in the first place. Just because I've paid a sum doesn't mean that my opinion is worth more. I'd imagine that someone out on a rampage might go the extra mile and pay for the second tier membership just to write a negative review. But awarding that second tier status for free and extremely selectively gives the review section much more credence. An SP (or perhaps more) were involved in giving a particular member the ability to do so. He has a tag attached to his posts saying he's a verified member. He leaves a positive review, and other potential clients can see that. If and when he does leave a negative review, since an SP or more than one vouched for him, you can take his word with more comfort.

Complete skeptic here. In my religion, the concept of something called Jinns exist, which would be the closest to what most people may relate to ghosts (also how the whole genie thing came to be). Many people of my faith claimed to have some sort of encounter, but for some reason, I've always rationalized any weird sounds around my house with assuming its some pipe or creak due to heat expansion, or something of that sort. But the difference between a Jinn and a ghost is that ghosts are meant to be remaining spirits from people whose bodies have long passed. Jinns are said to be living creatures, and this is where it gets a little confusing, they are said to live on the same planet we do, but in an entirely different dimension (for lack of a better word). Like us, they have the concept of religion, love, marriage, and they do die. Unlike us, they have the ability to move very fast over very long distances. They can also choose between being good and evil, or living in the many shades in between. Satan or Shiatan is actually supposed to be a Jinn that did not bow to Adam when God commanded all Jinns and angels to. They are also claimed to have one other fairly interesting ability, take on the shape of anything. Because they are believed to be immensely more powerful than humans, we are exposed to them in a way that does not go the other way. As well, take upon control of a living human (Think The Exorcist, perhaps less scary). I've never put too much thought into such things. I figure things like ghosts and jinns and spirits and all that stuff is just nonsense. But I'll tell you what though, I switched on a lamp after reading some of the stories here. You know, just in case ;)

Well for the most part I'm an outcall with the lady visiting me at my hotel. So this usually means she is getting dressed and I usually slip back on my boxers. But this does give occasion to extend the chat while she is getting ready and I get to watch. With a particular lady it might often go like this; 1. She comes out of the shower all wet and shiny. This is an extremely sexy look for a woman. And we know how bears love to play in the water. Oh I digress. 2. Watching her get dressed and ready for the outer world is almost as seductive as it was watching her undress a few hours earlier. I now look at her and see how she will look to the rest of the world tonight. But I grin as I know just moments earlier I was with this beautiful woman naked. I look at her curves through her clothes and know what is underneath. I feel fortunate I was with her. 3. Chatting while she does her hair and makeup. This is some of our best conversations. We know each other so well but me sitting on the toilet seat, counter, or edge of the tub and us just talking seems like such a natural way to bring our time together to a close. Until again. Cub

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Great stories everyone. I work at home a lot and very often weird things happened when I'm alone. Like doors upstairs opening and closing by themselves. I eventually figured it was the door to my eldest son's bedroom that wouldn't latch properly so I replaced the door handle with a ghost proof model. I've also heard banging around downstairs in the middle of the night. I think that it was actually the icemaker in the refrigerator... or so I rationalized it. The weirdest thing however was that I heard my clock radio alarm go off in my room at around 11:30 during the day -- it shouldn't go off at 11:30, but sometimes my wife resets it and forget about it, so upstairs I went. . When I got up stairs to turn it off, it wasn't on. I looked at it. Nothing weird about it. Went back stairs and 10 minutes later it came on again... same outcome. Apparently the ghost needed to get up for noon or something like that, but hit the snooze button the first time. Another time I could have sworn that my wife alarm clock which makes a buzzing sound, came on... but when I got upstairs, her alarm wasn't even plugged in (I knew that because I had unplugged the stupid thing -- it was so unreliable). Again, when I got upstairs, no alarm. A few minutes later the ghost had a shower. BUT. This one had an easy explanation. My 16 year old son was upstairs; he had stayed home from school because he was sick. It was actually his alarm. Once I had a sleep paralysis experience. That is where you wake up and you can't move. Sleep paralysis is a normal thing that happens during REM sleep to avoid injuring oneself during dreams. But sometimes people partly wake up, are still paralysed, and see things such as witches or aliens. My dad used to wake up in the middle of the night screaming about some witch on his chest, but he slept on his back. I rarely do that. But once I woke up and was lying on my back and felt a weight on top of me pressing me down. It felt warm and was more like a woman lying on me, but there was I didn't think it could be my wife -- would never happen, lol. As I slowly woke up more, I could move my arms and embraced that weight, I could feel someone lying on top of me, but as I encircled my spook, it disappeared slowly. Again, I didn't feel any fear, but what a weird experience.

Just some quick musings here. First, is CERB in competition with other boards, and needs to put it one way, lower itself to their standards to keep in running with them? BTW that is just a question. Second. One thing I like about CERB compared to the other boards is it's civility, and how ladies are part of the board. Better worded, other boards in my experience seem to be a "boy's club" whereas this board is a community welcoming both ladies and gentlemen together. And there is more a us versus them attitude on those boards but here, we are all opposite sides of the same coin attitude. How many ladies will leave if reviews, not recommendations start Does membership, well paid membership, make a review, or even recommendation by that writer more worthy to read. And does it invalidate any reviews/recommendations written by someone who had membership on a board where no requirement to pay a membership is needed. Personally, JMO but I believe you can get a better idea as to the credibility/integrity of a writer of recommendations if he partakes in the board regularly and contributes. This gives you an idea of what he is like How well are you going to consider a reviewer who lurks for 5 years, then comes out once, posts a negative review, compared to someone who contributed to the board for 5 years, posts many recommendations and one time posts a negative review (btw not endorsing negative reviews here, but just trying to illustrate a point) And there are some "men" who enjoy bashing women, and would see this as an opportunity to do so. And they already have other boards they can use to do so, unfortunately. In fact on CERB, my own experience, being a gentleman, showing respect, is considered positive, but on the other boards (well can't say all boards, but a couple I tried and left) the us versus them attitude prevailed and respect for ladies was not considered a good thing by those "boys clubs" How many clients are going to want to pay to write reviews. And how many are willing to provide personal information to a board to allow them to do so. And does CERB want to get into allowing reviews. Personally, unless there are aspects I don't know about, CERB should stay where it's at, it doesn't need to lower the bar to other boards' levels. I prefer this to remain a community welcoming of ladies and gentlemen, not a "boys club" with an us versus them attitude Finally, I feel very comfortable providing my personal information for verification/screening purposes to a lady who I want to see for an encounter. But providing it to a website, really for the sole purpose of writing recommendations, I think my days of writing recommendations would be over. Also, there is an SP Only forum here on CERB where the ladies can, I assume, share amongst themselves information/screening about bad dates. Would there be some legal liability on CERB's part if it had a member's personal information and a bad date occurred. While CERB certainly doesn't want bad dates, I'm sure it doesn't want to be drawn into police investigations either and could be if it had member's personal information and accusations of a bad date took place. What if a case also went to civil court, CERB might be drawn into a court case they don't want either (sorry but I can see the litigation potential here). It's a possibility that CERB itself would have to consider And yes, for me, recommendations, not reviews, because my attitude is positive about encounters I'm to have, and my experience has been the same. So I believe even before seeing a lady, one outcome of the encounter I'm to have is writing a positive recommendation. I only had six bad encounters, but only one review worthy but I kept to the CERB mantra, if nothing nice to say...... My experience in this lifestyle has been positive and I wouldn't buy a membership so I could post negative reviews Some quick off the cuff ramblings and who knows, I may come up with more RG

I don't think any of this would change anything, there are men who will never divulge their identity, they are to afraid of being found out by their so's and no one will ever be able to convince them that some sites are more secure than others, this is my experience. There are those men who will trust you enough to give their details but will never join any sites for other reasons and then there are those who don't care who knows them or how much of their info is out there. My point is although it sounds like a great idea I don't think it would increase safety for us or create a more secure environment for clients as there will always be divided groups who choose to hobby in their own comfort zones, no matter the guarantees of anything. As far as cerb being a positive place, compared to some sites I'd say it was but truthfully speaking and from experience some will make comments here cleverly worded that can equal a negative review and "good" members on one site just go to another to perform their dirty work making it similar just a little more polite than those other sites, jmo. Lets face it if someone wants to damage someone no matter what site they belong to, no matter the rules and requirements or what details they have divulged of themselves they will, these are ruthless people who will stop at nothing. I now base little importance on reviews or recommendations, as I've met so many men who also say this and have no desire in writing any for anyone nor do they read any. But for those who like writing them and for those who rely on them I'm sure any ways of proving their validity would be appreciated. But nothing is foolproof nor is anything completely secure, lets face it anyone can find out who anyone is in this day and age if they really wanted to. There are trails to everything. I think the only true protectors for us all is our intuition, common sense and reading between the lines.

I agree with the points Nathalie brought up about screening issues, although an SP would not obligated to accept the board verified client, you will still get a small but vocal group of these paid members that will expect their subscription entitles them to skip this screening. Sadly no amount of disclaimers or terms of contract will prevent those guys from asking, pestering or annoying the ladies to avoid the screening process - for many it will be nothing more than refusal on principle. These time vampires may be very small in number but suck up a disproportionate amount of time. In terms of negative reviews, I would not want the ability to write them nor would I like to read anyone else's negative reviews. My problem with negative reviews are that they highly subjective and may still be written out of spite. Mind you if the person has registered they may not be as vulgar, rude or over the top in their negative review but an undeserved negative review is still undeserved. If negative reviews were allowed would the ladies have an opportunity to set the record straight or give their side. I guess at the end of the day I like the positive atmosphere that CERB has fostered and would not like that to change.

I show my face in my pictures. I guess to me it's a pride thing. I'm not ashamed of what I do. I don't go around telling everyone what I do however, I don't hide it either. I'm hoping to see a day where it is legal. Until then showing my face is my way of owning what I do. It might help that I've done all sorts of modelling in the past (including fetish stuff). This isn't a huge leap for me lol I understand why others don't and I respect that too. Everyone has different reasons and motivating factors. Personal choices should be respected - especially when so much is at stake

Very well said. With all that has been going on and the recent tragedy I am sure a very watchful eye is out there targeting a select group as always happens when something like this comes to the forefront. Meet the right ladies here on cerb. Get the service you need in a safe environment for all and keep your business of the street where people who don't need to be involved with your pleasure won't be. My sympathies go out to all those who have lost so much so senselessly.

First off......... Thank you for considering finding a quality SP in a legal and safe fashion here on cerb rather then the VERY illegal solicitation in public places that you have been doing. Yes, street prostitution is illegal and you can get into lots of trouble that has nothing to do with the law. Street prostitution breeds under age workers, harmful opportunists and death. At least in the thunder bay area I can tell you that most street workers are satisfying you so they can satisfy their drug habits. Its the "cause and effect" of street prostitution and I fully support it being illegal. That said welcome to our lil world of play. The top notch SP's in thunder bay are right here on cerb. If u peek around at our recommendations and view a few threads in the area I'm sure you can find a very lovely lady who is safe and more then happy to please you (and be pleased herself) ;)

The thing is, that I just have no impression. This being a luxury, I don't want to spend $300+ on something that I don't know what I'm getting into. This goes for everything that I spend money on, if I can't determine what to expect, I don't go for it. I understand that there are men out there that have this sort of attitude. One of the other erbs, half the reviews read like a Penthouse submissions. But despite their positive undertones (client basically liked the time spent), that sort of recommendation is not allowed here (from my understanding). Cerb has an environment that is much different in nature from the other boards. I put a lot of value in recommendations. I would not be here if reviews did not exist. There are men and ladies who don't put too much importance in it, but there are people IMHO, like me, who do. "If at first you don't succeed, try try again". I wasn't here a couple of years ago when that happened, but instead of dismissing the rationale behind it, maybe change the approach. Learn from what went wrong last time to make it better this time. But only if this is something that the Cerb community wants in general. From the posts here, I have a feeling that I'm somewhat alone in wanting negative reviews allowed in some fashion. And if that's the general consensus, I'll go with it. It is, some of what the ladies have brought up sound very alien to me. But it does expose different points of view, some that can be eye-opening.

Thank you Ladies, for the reply's. I understand that prostitution is Legal but was not sure about the solicitation aspect of it, so thanks for the clarification. CERB is actually a very informative place with many fine women, looking forward to play time ;) Hope everyone is having a nice day..

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I know a few, but those are the religious hypocritical types. But to take an example of a porn actress, there have been a few stories of female teachers being fired for their other 'inappropriate' profession. Never mind that it had nothing to do with teaching children Math or the ABCs. I'd like to think that Canada is more progressive, but I believe the last iteration of this story came from a Montreal school (I have to confirm this). And the sad part is that at least schools are brutally honest. Corporations can claim a different reason and go about their merry way. I'm hoping that in the private job market, things are much better, but who knows?

9000?!? Looks like somebody has too much time on their hands! Only kidding! Your posts are always witty and insightful so here's to another 9000!

Just a quick note..... All providers have "real lives" and many aren't sitting around waiting for last minute inquires. Many of us prefer low volume planned dates as well. The majority of us do like to spend our time living our lives and aren't generally found scantily clad beside the telephone anticipating your short notice inquires. With the exception being when we are no showed, which unfortunately is a increasing trend here in winnipeg.

As a new comer to this and another board, and as a participant in this lifestyle, I read through this thread this morning with interest. But after reading all the posts I was exhausted.....waited till this evening to make a reply. I much appreciate the opportunity to read through the threads and see how others react to things that are said.....much can be learned by listening, but as a newcomer who still has not satisfied my 5 post quota, I sometimes feel hesitant to wade in on most threads, but this one I find particularly interesting. I see two issues here, first the value or credibility of some one giving an honest review or reference, secondly there is the issue of confidentiality and discretion. The first thing that I see with most reviews....good or bad, is that they often tell more about the reviewers personality or ego than they do about the actual lady being reviewed, what I like to see in a review is what the ladies style, personality and attitude is. This is what I look for on their websites and in their posts that I see on the board. The act of sex is what you make of it, in an ideal world giving is as important as taking, please remember this is just "my" opinion, and I do realize that this is NOT an ideal world. I like the idea of only positive reviews on this board, the lack of positive reviews can be just as telling as a hurtful, often disrespectful review I see on other boards, and creates less drama. In regards to references and confidentiality, this is simply a trust issue. Clients must make their choices by doing research on the SP they are considering seeing, basically trusting your natural instincts. If there is not much information to go on then you must make a decision, but you are responsible for that decision even if things go badly. The ladies on the other hand do not have reviews, ads, or websites to make their decisions as whether to see a client or not. They only have the information they get from our emails or conversations with us. It is a natural instinct not to trust some one who is not open and forthcoming. So I see where the more information we are willing to trust them with the better they can trust us. Now for those clients who are concerned about their partners finding out their activities, the onus is on the client to find a provider who they know will be discrete and trustworthy. We are all adults here and should know that everything we do may have consequences, and be prepared to accept our responsibility if things go wrong. Finally in regards to a paid membership to provide verification, it would work for some, but probably only the honest open clients. Those that want to cheat the system and are probably the ones you want weed out will just lie, cheat and manipulate the system to get what they want. in the end we are all responsible for our own decisions, this lifestyle comes with many dangers, but we knew that before we got into it....each one of us must do what we think is best to protect ourselves

By no means a deal maker or breaker for me. I understand a ladies choice for descretion. For some its a short term job while going to school or some other reason. Once a face photo hits the internet it could follow the lady around for long time after her career as a SP comes to an end. Remember there are a lot of people out there who are much more closed minded when it comes to hobbying. I would hate to think a lady posted a face picture today and 5 years down the road she is over looked for a job because of her time as a SP. Its a personal choice.

Yup you can't beat a big fat BBQ burger in the summertime :) I BBQ everything I can....Even my weekend toasted bacon cheese and tomato sandwiches are made with bacon cooked on BBQ and toast from the BBQ with melted cheese.