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Fuck Your Morals. ;) Just Kidding..... Ish. I do chemistry not Math. I have had some great conversations and connections with people through texting or Private messages and get this preconceived idea of who they are in my mind- I pick an age, and hair colour and all sorts of crap- then I actually meet them- and im shocked- that theyre either waaay younger or waaaaay older. At first I feel jipped lol. and a sudden loss of attraction to the mystery man I had conversed with. But then....I realize they are still who they were through the screen- Their sexy shone through then- so why let our brains or eyes rob ourselves from experiencing all the sexy people can surprisingly offer us? Morals/Ethics aren't set in stone. What you feel is 'right' one day may be trivial or non existent the next. Dont let your own brain hinder you from enjoying life..... Whether you're 18 or 81 ;) Giddy Up. *Remember To Live*

There are certainly a few things that come to mind, and I think I have mentioned this before but it's special to me... It's only since I started playing as a companion that I learned how to achieve orgasm from receiving oral sex. I had always enjoyed the feeling, but had never actually climaxed from it before I was an escort! And now it is my very favourite way to orgasm... mmmm I just love it! And the orgasms continue to get more and more intense too! This also helped to prove to me how much sex really was in my head. In my mind, I knew this to be true, but this really made me see it more clearly. I previously thought that I simply just couldn't cum that way - then once I focussed on making it happen, and then it finally did - I knew it could happen - so then it was easily possible all the time. :)

My preference, or any guy's preference isn't what matters. What matters is what is the lady's preference. If she prefers to be natural, she should remain natural. If she wants to have implants, she should get implants. But whatever her decision, it should be her decision, done for herself, not for someone else be it bf/cl/husband or even clients BTW the ladies I see don't tell me how to "improve" be it Rogaine because I'm follically challenged (I'm bald LOL) or weight loss, they see me for the man I am. Likewise, the women are beautiful, and don't need some guy telling them how to "improve" when no improvement is needed. I see them for the ladies they are Hope that comes out right A rambling RG

A young lady 18 or 19 would be too young for me no matter how mature. I look at 18 & 19 year old's as girls, not grown women. It may have to do with my values, what I was taught growing up, because I'm a dad, the fact that I am in my very late 50's! I frequent a restaurant that has University aged girls working there and to me they look like they are around 15, 16 or 17 in that age group. One of them I know is in her 3rd year of university and is 20 years old, but to me she doesn't look anymore than 16. She did tell me she gets carded all the time when she is out. The other young lady opens & serves alcoholic beverages so she has to be 18 I believe, to open the beverage here in Halifax Nova Scotia. I have nothing against Men who choose to see these 18-19 year old women so long as they are of legal age here in Canada. It just isn't something that I would choose to do. They look too much like little girls to me! My 5 cents worth on the topic

Being a member of Cerb for approximately four plus years and hobbying for years previously, I would recommend the following: -Paradise Spa, great owners who pay attention to what is going on, very clean facility, fresh smelling showers and towels. Most importantly, the Ladies are first class, pretty/beautiful, a range of ages, pretty/beautiful, attentive, sexy and drama free. Easy to get to in the west end or very easy access to the 417. -Angels Touch, same owners as above, only thing missing from here that PS has is a hot tub. Again, very clean, fresh smelling towels and showers, hot sexy Ladies, easy access to central and downtown Ottawa. Then there are a number of very sexy Ladies that offer incall facilities for massage only, not full service!: -Claire Heavens, a busy little Lady who provides an awesome experience -Michaella (she is going to spank me for misspelling her name) Caress, one of the many Ladies here on Cerb who are going back to uni or college -Erin is a lovely lady also in the west end who is sweet, provides a great massage and is well worth your time to visit -Katrine Cannon is a very skilled Lady, who is on the Quebec side of the river, but easy to get to Also available are Dom sessions with Ms. Samantha and Samantha who are right downtown. Finally, there are a great number of Pretty, Sexy, and SANE Ladies who offer massage as well as full service; Mature Jen, Mature Lee, Angela (she with the walking cast!), Vanessa Vale, Carrie Moon and a whole host of others that I am going brain dead trying to get names correct. As always, cruise thru Cerb listings, and if you see someone that catches your fancy, reach out and send them a note, call and speak to them, they won't bite unless you ask them to! Also read Cowboy Kenny's blog on a regular basis to keep up with the scammers who are out there! Good luck! Apologies to any ladies I have been a client of and have left off this list.

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Younger women are fantastic.....tight bodies, perky boobs, no wrinkles. Having said that, I'm an older woman type of guy. I'm 55 and comfortable in my skin. So are older women. I have a crazy unpredictable schedule that makes it extremely hard to line up a visit with my favorite Sp at 4 pm on Saturday 100 miles away. My type of girl knows I'm doing my best and understands that life gets in the way at times and if I'm late, she still loves me. No drama, no bs......we're friends, if only briefly. I'm not inconsiderate of their lives or their schedules, but even trying my best doesn't always work. If they can work things out, they do, and if they cannot, it's my fault....they still get paid. Older ladies get back to you with facts, Jack. They don't have time for giggling and incessant chatter....neither do I. The reasons above are why I love and am comfortable with older (30+ ladies). It's all part of the GFE..we relate. Younger women are fantastic, but I am no longer a younger man. Andy Rooney said it better than I ever could........... "In Praise of Older Women Andy Rooney says, "As I grow in age, I value older women most of all. Here are just a few reasons why: An older woman will never wake you in the middle of the night to ask, "What are you thinking?" She doesn't care what you think. An older woman knows herself well enough to be assured in who she is, what she is, what she wants and from whom. Few women past the age of 50 give a damn what you might think about her. An older single woman usually has had her fill of "meaningful relationships" and "commitment." The last thing she needs in her life is another dopey, clingy, whiny, dependent lover! Older women are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you if they think they can get away with it. Most older women cook well. They care about cleanliness and are generous with praise, often undeserved. An older woman has the self-assurance to introduce you to her women friends. A younger woman with a man will often ignore even her best friend because she doesn't trust the guy with other women. Older women couldn't care less. Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to an older woman. They always know. An older woman looks good wearing bright red lipstick. This is not true of younger women or drag queens. Once you get past a wrinkle or two, an older woman is far sexier than her younger counterpart. Her libido's stronger, her fear of pregnancy gone. Her experience of lovemaking is honed and reciprocal and she's lived long enough to know how to please a man in ways her daughter could never dream of. (Young men, you have something to look forward to.) Older women are forthright and honest. They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you are acting like one. Yes, we praise older women for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it's not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coifed babe of 70 there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22 year old waitress. Ladies, I apologize for all of us. That men are genetically inferior is no secret. Count your blessings that we die off at a far younger age, leaving you the best part of your lives to appreciate the exquisite woman you've become, without the distraction of some demanding old man clinging and whining his way into your serenity." signed: Andy Rooney"

I really have no strong preference. I find the important appendage resides above the neck. If we get along well and there's something physical that's not up to par, that's what eyelids and light switches are for.........for me AND her!

Age and attraction are two different concepts. Attraction is an emotional and psychological process. Determining whether it is right or wrong based on age is a cognitive process built by culture, media, social learning, etc. I've never been with a woman older than myself, but have felt that several of them were older in the way they acted. Often, but not usually, you can't place the personality with the age. Scrb. Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515a using Tapatalk 2

Thanks for the mentions boys! I do offer CIM, and both Ms Bardot and I have spent time doing massage in the past, and we do duos together, so purrhaps we may offer what you're looking for - but as mentioned, I do not swallow

We all remember where we were September 11th. A dozen years later, the wound has left behind a scar to remind of us of that sombre day of ash and tears, where history was forced in a new, darker direction at the expense of nearly 3000 lives. Sons and Daughters. Mothers and Fathers. Wives and Husbands. Family. Friend. Hero. Today, each and every one of us should spare a thought to remember them.

Found out that I am going to be a Grand parent for the first time :)

Deepthroating.. that is definitely something where boundaries can be pushed further and further. As long as it's consentual, safe and not done with intent force, it is something that has the potential to be extremely intense and such a turn on.

JUST TO CLARIFY... I in no way condone men seeing under aged sex workers. It is illegal, that's obvious. My words were simply my experience as a young woman who preferred older men and still does. I'm not encouraging any hobbyist to seek out underaged girls... cat

I have found this thread really interesting. I started work at 18 by my own volition and never found the clients I serviced to be seedy or slimy. That said, I looked in my mid 20's and seldom was I asked about my age. I knew what I was getting into, had given it a couple of years of thought before hand and I've never regretted the decision. I have a fairly strong personality and have never had a problem handling men even at 18. I could have easily worked at 16 from an emotional maturity stand point. The foundation for my business today was there already as a teenager and I've changed little in the way of customer service since I started. On a personal level, I'm divided by the "18 is acceptable" mentality. At 16 I started dating older men in their late 20's whom I met thru my older sister. I looked well over 18 and they never asked my age until we had been dating awhile. Most times I lied about being older and it was never questioned. By the time I was 18, I graduated to men over 40 and I have preferred men at least 15-20 years my senior ever since. Boys my own age held no interest for me. I didn't want to go to parties where everyone drank themselves into oblivion and pawed at me; I didn't want to hang out watching videos and making out on the couch or driving around. I wanted to go and do things. I loved live theater, racing of any sort, good restaurants and intelligent conversation. I wanted to travel and see the world outside of the little bit of swamp I grew up in. Boys my own age didn't do those sorts of things. The sex part of the dating was secondary to me. The intimacy was fun, I learned so much and I would do it again in a heart beat. I think older men can offer a better quality relationship because they are experienced. That said, there needs to be more on the mans mind than just getting into a young girls pants. Predators are always disgusting but I don't think we should paint all men with the same brush just because they end up in a relationship with a younger than 18 year old woman. Two of my daughters are involved with older men and I would say it's been a good thing. My 21 year old has lived with a man 17 years her senior for 3 years and is helping raise his 3 sons while attending University full time. They met when she was 17 and she moved in on her 18th birthday. Many were appalled and her step mom tried to have him arrested before she turned 18. I know my daughter, this man didn't take advantage of her; if anything, she took advantage of him. She has had the best 3 years of her life since 9/11 hit and the sky fell in on our family. My other daughter is 23 and dating a man my age. He provides her with opportunities she would never have on her own or dating a man her own age. He adores her and she him. They aren't marriage minded but they live together and seem happy. She's learning about being a grown up from someone she will listen to (God knows she doesn't listen to me or her father) and seems to be getting pretty good advice from him. Our society seems to forget that teenage girls mature faster than their male peers and some of these young ladies are more than ready to experience life with someone who can show them what's out there. The only relationship I had with someone my own age was with the father of my children and while I don't regret it on any level, I do think my life today would be very different if I had stayed true to my nature and married someone more mature... cat

I had a fantastic duo with Cleo and Sara McQ a few years ago...totally awesome, but with respect to the OP's criteria, Cleo = no swallow...which in no way diminishes how awesome she is IMHO!

When you contact the lady be open and upfront with her. Provide her with your real name, board handle (confirmed by PM, I assume she is a lady on CERB) contact phone number and email. Explain to her this is your first time seeing an escort and there isn't a companion who can provide a reference for you. She will likely have other ways to verify you I don't think being a student will be an issue, just so long as you can pay her donation in full. In your email be polite, respectful, in short, be a gentleman Good luck RG

Ladies and gents, its now official !! The Ottawa September Social will be held Thursday, September 19th, so mark your calendar!! There will be 60 spots available (30 gents and 30 ladies) for members in good standing. Gents, tickets will be made available soon, at a cost of $35, which will cover snacks, drinks for the ladies and door prizes. I will keep everyone up to date via this thread as things progress. As it's an event organized by CERB members for members, you can contact myself, Loneskater or Spud271 directly should you have questions. Cheers!! MisterT

I am. This show, then followed by The Newsroom, have turned Sunday evenings into my first ever tv-marathon in my life. The only thing I don't like about the show is the Lydia character... but otherwise, it's perfect. It's part of what makes television worth watching.

I agree with one provision: that's equally true of both sexes. If you're a doormat for your partner, that partner will eventually tire of you. Relationships are supposed to challenge us and help us grow beyond who were are when they start. Our partners should be our equals who support us and who we support in turn... not mere providers for a particular set of needs when we happen to feel like it. As others have said already, there's too little information in the original post to offer specific advice. But on the assumption that the OP is looking for just some general advice that can apply to all relationships, I'll offer this random list, which has a common theme of communication: a) Know what kind of things you expect from your relationship in the short, medium, and long term. Make sure you and your partner are on the same page with respect to where you're going, and when you want to hit the milestones on the way. (Even if the answer is "meh, let's just see what happens," that's cool as long as you both feel the same way. Find out.) b) Recognize that your partner is just a regular person, not a magical answer to all your dreams. Most of us start out with pretty dreamy, mostly unspoken ideas of what our partner should be like and all the wonderful things they should do for our lives. But if you're going to be with someone for a long time, learn to measure them for who they really are and where they're going, not just by counting how many of your personal boxes they tick and how often. c) Respect your partner as a separate person, and make sure they respect you. Every relationship has a power dynamic. It's okay if one of you is stronger than the other in some things or at some times (money? social skills? knowing how to do particular stuff?); but this should balance out in the big picture with contributions in other areas. If not, this WILL create tension and could doom things in time. d) Grow together. Don't stop working at life just because you've got someone. Be on the same page about this. e) money: the scourge of so many relationships. Work out a budget together (for immediate and long-term stuff), figure out how much you should each contribute to a joint account to cover those joint expenses. The rest of your earnings (such as they are) are yours to spend however you like, so agree ahead of time not to hassle each other about how you spend it. If he's covering his contributions to household, mortgage and savings, don't hassle him when he adds to his collection of Star Wars action figures! And you, mister, be quiet about the shoes! (Or, you know, vice versa.) I could go on but that'll do for now. Would be happy to see how others would add to the list.

I think that's great that she did what she wanted and it made her happy. However the only reason anyone should change or enhance a feature is for themselves, not to please a so or to be like someone else and only do it after careful research into all the pros and cons, pre and post op do's and don'ts, what may go wrong and make sure you are very careful when picking your surgeon. Be very explicit about your expectations, ask as many questions as possible and also ask to see some before and after photos of his/her work, even speak to a client or two that has had the same surgery you're going to have if possible. I went from a 36c to a 36 d wanted a dd but sadly he gave me what pleased him esthetically. So I've contemplated doing the surgery again. I haven't had any problems health wise and the healing time was pretty quick. So I wouldn't hesitate to do it again:) I have always preferred the look of enhanced breasts to natural, but that's me and I've never had a man say they've felt like implants, including more than a few doctors;)

One memorable moment was with I girl I was with from the east coast. We had been together a few times, but on that particular night she put on a nice little white outfit and danced for me for 30 or 40 minutes, not letting me touch her. The anticipation it created was awesome! I'll never forget her, she was a creature of pure raw sexuality, and we hit it off right from the first time.

Great Thread! I've done just about everything and anything sexually possible and legal. There have been many sentinel events in my carnal timeline. One of the more memorable events occurred while I was traveling through Florida. I stopped at a 'Gentleman's Club' in South Central Florida. I was paired with a cute 30 year old brunette vixen. She stood about 5'2 in bare feet, athletic build, short hair, great lips and she loved to kiss. Her body was a playground and I was on recess. Time ceased to be a consideration as we got caught up in each other due to some powerful chemistry. She was wanton and game for anything. I suggested a fantasy of mine inspired by the movie Clerks. I explained about Sno-balling. I told her that I wanted to go down on her, then have her return the favour. But that when she took my ejaculation into her mouth, she shouldn't swallow, but instead she should share with me in the hottest deepest French kiss ever. She agreed. What followed was epic, erotic and beyond my wildest expectations. It was, at the time, one of the most intensely profoundly intimate and erotic moments of my life. She was the first. Happily, I continue to reach for new adventures. Many have been memorable. But that time was one of the best.

One from Guinness that's worth watching.

Hope you had a nice day.

I guess my most delicious pleasure is eating pussy. When I get started on a young clean lady, I just want to keep sucking up the juices for hours on end. Some may even get mad at me because they want to move on to some doggy stuff but I want to keep licking. hehe Okay, so pussy is my drug of choice. Bring it on. mmmm

Only a couple days this week to get to spend some time with me...come and find out what sensuality is all about! Ill be available thursday 10-10 in the west end Friday I'll be at our party from 12-late, if youre not a member this is your chance to come in as my guest. PM me for details or call 613-523-6199

While I can certainly provide CBJ if that is something a gent is looking for, I do offer BBBJ, and duos with Cleo are certainly available.

As I am in my early 40's my age limit is from 25 years to about 50 years old. Many ladies who are 25 are very mature and tend to have a University education. They have a certain sophistication and elegance about them. They also tend to be knowledgeable about a variety of subjects to enjoy some wonderful conversations with. Many 18 year olds lack the maturity to make an informed decision about whether or not to have sexual relations. Like Christy said some mistake sex with love. Something I did many times when I was that age. I find it morally wrong when a 50+ gentleman pursues a relationship with a lady that has only just turned 18 even if she was the one to initiate it. I guess it was the way I was brought up and it's just my opinion.

Well wishes from good friends. Brings a smile to my lips every time.

Available today in Ottawa East. Clean, private studio with free parking. Relieve your tension and feel exhilarated! For more information and to book a session, visit my website: http://www.laramassage.com Cheers, Lara

No no no Spud..... lots of time to detox in the next life. I think my liver is rum, Jack Daniels and hops pickled and should last forever now ;) lol

I am hoping you are misunderstanding the word Pubescent and consent: Definition Pubescent - arriving at or having reached puberty. Puberty - the age at which puberty occurs often construed legally as 14 in boys and 12 in girls The age of consent for sexual activity is 16 years. It was raised from 14 years on May 1, 2008 by the Tackling Violent Crime Act. However, the age of consent is 18 years where the sexual activity "exploits" the young person -- when it involves prostitution, pornography or occurs in a relationship of authority, trust or dependency (e.g., with a teacher, coach or babysitter). Sexual activity can also be considered exploitative based on the nature and circumstances of the relationship, e.g., the young person's age, the age difference between the young person and their partner, how the relationship developed (quickly, secretly, or over the Internet) and how the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person. A pubescent child cannot give consent - no matter what she or he says, she/he is unable to give consent before the age of 16 years. I am hoping this was just a misunderstanding in your statement.

And there is also Jessica Massage-Heard many positive comments regarding her and her services

I'm in London, UK at the moment. I came here for work related reasons. But I had yesterday (Tuesday) off. So Monday night, I went to a restaurant and then a pub. When I got back to the hotel, I decided to look around different sites. After at least an hour, I called an agency with a girl listed as spanish whose incall is in the same neighbourhood. I'm in her room about 20 minutes later. She's spectacular looking. And there's no way she is spanish. Her accent reveals her to be Persian. We have an amazing encounter. At the end, I ask her (conversationally) what she is doing. She replies that she has no plans. I propose she spend the day with me as my escort. She accepts. We agree on financials and I tel her where I am staying. The next day, she arrives at my room a little past lunchtime. We have some fun. Then we go out and she takes me all over the place, showing me tourist attractions, little known restaurants and pubs etc. After a long day of fun, we return to my hotel and have a different kind of fun. At the end of the day, I kiss her on the forehead and tel her that spending the last day with her was amazing. She kisses me back and says, "Keep it to yourself." She gives me a big hug and we say our goodbyes. That was the best experience ever in this hobby. I doubt I will ever experience something that good again. This is the one to go out on. This was my retirement party. If I had a "type" that girl was it. She made my trip memorable. Thanks everyone for your comments. Mike

Hi, just thought I would clear up the questions : ) I am not the same girl from CL. I am very new to this so I wasn't around in early spring. There unfortunately wont be many pics, I am a very discrete girl. This is my naughty little part time excitement. I dont always get to check the site daily, but I will try respond as soon as I can. Hope that helps :givemehead:

Everyone has their own opinion and can only go by their own experiences...I myself have had great experiences with both older and younger gents and yes you can be just as immature in your 40s as in your early 20s bit I feel so much more comfortable with an older gentlemen closer to my age as I am in my 30s...I personally feel a stronger connection with those older...but I'm sure if I were younger I would probably feel closer to the younger gents...to each their own...No one has a wrong answer how can you ?

Absolutely! I remember when I first started escorting, I considered dancing and ruled it out because a girl actually had to know how to put on a show and I have 2 left feet! I loved the performance and the showmanship the headliner would bring and the club girls would constantly try to up their game so maybe they could headline one day. A couple of weeks ago I was at a club here, it was a very quiet night for both clients and girls; the stage was empty. The manager and I were kibitzing and he motioned to the stage suggesting I go up. I told him I would rather put a man on that stage and have my way with him than dance. (yes, I'm that bad a dancer). He laughed and replied "just pretend there is a guy there! That's all the girls do." and I realized he was serious. It was a sad realization for me. The game has changed and not for the better in my opinion. An art was lost... cat

as a burlesque dancer who works in the strip club i agree with you on the SHOWS part....these days, if a girl isnt doing magnificent pole acrobatics (which is definitely stage-worthy) girls just go up on stage and shake their asses or play with their naughty bits on stage and if someone REALLY dances or, heaven forbid, puts any sort of costuming or choreography into her act all it gets is eye-rolls from the other gals or club-goers...like they're "trying too hard" or something....thats why I'm super excited when i get to do a burlesque show outside the club because people hoot and holler and cheer as skin is about to be revealed and theres way more creativity than just laying down a blanket , getting down on all fours and spreading your legs.

This thread seems to have morphed into a discussion of marketing strategy and more specifically pricing strategy. There are numerous pricing strategies that a business can adopt. Some of them have relevance to this industry, most don't. Selling "Price" If what you are "selling" is "price", it is difficult to be successful in any business. In general you're likely to attract clients who place more importance on low price and less importance on the quality of the service or product. As a result, those clients will generally be on the lookout for a "better" (i.e. lower) price. It makes customer retention difficult and encourages a race to the bottom of the market. Furthermore, in this industry, when a woman has to raise her rates (which has to happen sometime, even though it hasn't happened overall in the industry in quite a while), the client will likely go elsewhere. So if you've reduced prices and therefore your revenue and you don't have any significant cost cutting options to offset the reduced revenue, what do you do? The standard "marketing" response to this situation would be to increase the volume of sales. That's not so easily done in this industry for obvious reasons. Several women in this and other threads have described the unique challenges of being a service provider while maintaining their physical/emotional health and privacy etc. In addition, screening clients has been discussed on numerous occasions as a necessary step for personal safety and security. The higher the volume, the less time there is to do this properly and the greater the risks to the service provider. I think some are arguing that any customers receiving a price cut don't represent revenue loss, they represent new revenue from new customers the service provider wouldn't otherwise have. That's only correct if the service provider wants to increase the number of clients she sees in a day/week. Most commenting on this thread appear to be low volume service providers (whatever that number might be) and prefer to find other ways of optimizing their revenue (e.g. longer appointments, more frequent repeat clients or unique date activities). The whole idea behind the Girl Friend Experience for example is to provide intellectual and emotional interaction with the client that goes beyond just the sexual activity. Many clients place a substantial value on this. What Does Success Look Like? So what does success in a small business look like? The business is sustainable, with good customer retention (loyal regular/occasional customers). The business owner has good control over the costs relative to their revenues. And finally, there has to be sufficient profit to live comfortably. This includes a work life balance allowing sufficient time/money to enjoy recreation, family, friends and save for long term goals (e.g. go to school, start another business etc). Yes, I understand that not everyone is able to achieve all of this in life. It's been noted in previous threads that there is a high turnover of service providers in this industry. Most last only a few months to a couple of years. Most of the women who have posted on this thread however have been in this business for several years. Without knowing all of them personally, they appear by my definition to be successful. In part, though not exclusively, their success appears to be due to sticking with their pricing strategy and understanding who they seek as customers. It also appears to be based upon understanding their clients and being able to add value through services such as GFE. I think they are just trying to communicate an appreciation of that. This forum is unique in that the curtain is drawn back and allows clients to gain some insider appreciation of "the business". I think all business relationships are enhanced when clients have some appreciation of what it takes to achieve and sustain a successful business.

I'm kind of late into this debate but here's the way I look at it. When I book an appointment with my Doctor, Lawyer or Dentist the fees are non-negotiable...none of you would ever dream of asking those worthy folks for a discount because you know it's just not going to happen. You also respect them too much to suggest such an arrangement. I agree that there are sometimes promotional considerations...specials offered for loyalty visiting or CERB gents or "time of the month" specials but those are offered by the SP of her own volition and not under the pressure of negotiation.They are business choices made freely and openly. I've had conversations with SPs who tell me that they get calls from guys who start by saying something like "I'd really like to book with you but you're too expensive..." for most of them that's the end of the conversation. It shows that the caller is in fact calling the wrong person..."Sorry wrong number!" is what one of my ATFs used to say just before abruptly ending the conversation. As the Mod stated...find a lady you like in line with your budget and go and enjoy....if you don't then you don't repeat and you look again. It's really just that simple.

I think part of the problem is that people assume if they can't smell themselves then no one else can either. Obviously it's always better to freshen up, regardless. Also, my laugh of the morning:

There are different business models and we each use the one that works best for us. When I started out, I offered a menu with different prices for different activities because that's what I saw many women were doing. I thought it gave clarity to the meetings and, because I was seeing a higher volume of clients, in many ways it seemed to make things simpler. But it didn't work out that way for me. So often a fellow would arrive who'd said he wanted X, Y and Z and who would, in the midst of things, announce that he'd really like to add A and B to the deal. He'd already paid me for the original plan. In the middle of things wasn't the time to ask him to get up, find his wallet in the pile of clothes on the floor and pay for the extras. But I soon discovered that agreeing to go ahead, believing I would be paid at the end, was remarkably likely to result in performing the services and not being paid or not being paid in full. He'd discover, to his feigned shock and horror, that he didn't have the money, or even frankly declare that what I'd done wasn't worth the extra, anyway. I felt assaulted; since both my consent and my body were violated, I'd say I was raped a few times. And yet I was told that I was uptight, rigid or unresponsive when I decided not to allow any extensions, I started to feel like a vending machine and I hated that feeling. When I was asked to reduce my already low rates even further, I saw that those making the request were completely out for their own satisfaction and that there was a high probability that they were not going to treat me well, no matter what they paid. I remember very well the turmoil I went through. After all, like most women who are new to this profession, I was dealing with some major problems in my life and becoming a prostitute was my only way to solve them. I didn't need more men trying to take more from me while telling me that I wasn't really good enough or worth their time and money or that I was just a whore and had no right to expect much from them. I had been depressed to begin with; my depression deepened and I began to be afraid that I was going to fail at everything which included losing my children. I have never been an especially thick-skinned woman. I really am kind, gentle and compassionate. Women like me often have a hard time in our line of work because we're too focused on pleasing others, nurturing and attending to their needs. Our trust is easily abused by unscrupulous people. I had needed to make a certain amount of money and I achieved my goal, but the feeling that my soul had been put through a grinder was almost as great as my relief at having averted disaster. I accomplished what I needed to accomplish, but at great cost to myself. I wanted to quit, but I couldn't afford to. The problem that had driven me into our industry had only been put into abeyance: it hadn't gone away. I read everything I could find, everywhere I could find it. I talked to some people. I got a bit of advice here and there and I finally changed my business model. Many ladies say that the fee-for-service model helps them maintain perspective and creates the distance they need between their personal lives and their work. For a lot of them, it's easier to perform activities on a contractual basis than to engage in what seems more like a relationship where these things are an organic part of the dynamic. I applaud their ethic and their recognition of what they need as women and as paid companions. It just doesn't work for me. I changed my model completely, raised my rates significantly and began to offer complete experiences, full encounters, engagements--call it what you will. Taking time to get to know someone, to build a rapport with them and to become genuinely interested in them, who they are and what they want, is a much longer path. Most of my meetings are several hours long. I rarely have hour-long encounters except with established clients. By the time a prospective client and I meet in person, we generally have a good sense of each other, gained through e-mail and phone conversations. We're usually able to meet as friends. Our encounters can go in many directions as a result. Sometimes we don't end up in bed or with anyone's clothes in great disarray because my guest has enjoyed himself so much that he doesn't want to rush, this time. Do I give discounts? Well, yes and no. I can quote a flat hourly rate and that is what I charge for a single hour. But I set a different total for a three-hour or four-hour meeting--a significant discount, in effect. I also have a social rate and many of my best clients have begun this way, over lunch or perhaps dinner. When someone contacts me these days, asking for my "best rate" or what "special offers" I may be running, I point to my stated fees with the built-in discounts. When asked about menus, options, specific services and activities, I'm patient and understanding. Most men are awkward when it comes to talking about sex. One might say that they have a limited vocabulary. They want something, they hope to try something, they've always imagined something, but they really don't know how to describe it. I appreciate knowing what they're thinking about, but I don't guarantee anything to someone I haven't met in person. Once we're together, though, the range of possibilities may be very wide, depending on the dynamic and how I feel. So when someone wants to negotiate my fee, I'm at a loss. What would I provide less of? Where would I make a cut in who I am or how I relate to someone? More importantly to me, why would I do less or be less? After all, much as many clients think that the meeting is all about them, I feel it's about me, too. Authenticity means a great deal to me. Where will I compromise? I won't. Now, my way of working is not easy. I wouldn't recommend it to many women. It's time-consuming. I work hard and believe that I earn every penny I make. Many of my clients are frankly high-maintenance and need a lot of contact when we're not together. And to be honest, there are no guarantees that, even after a protracted pre-meeting discussion, things will turn out well. It's taken me years to build up solid relationships with them and to be in a position where I'm able to turn down one-off encounters. When someone's first contact with me includes challenging my fees, I usually know that he doesn't want what I have to offer.

I've been away for a while (very busy with work and life) and just going back through and catching up on some conversations, and this one caught my eye. I just wanted to comment that strap on play can be, I believe, either bdsm or more so-called mainstream fetish in nature. I have experienced it twice, and both in bdsm sessions. In that context, it was part of a wider scene that included the more accepted aspects of bondage, discipline and sado-masochism. It was delivered in a more forceful way and there was the exciting feel that I wasn't in control, that I was being "taken" and at the whim of the provider. In both cases there was bondage involved, which heightened that feeling. I thoroughly enjoyed those, and hope to do it again (soon!). Recently, I have been fantasizing about a different kind of strap-on play that would be much more sensual and sexual in nature. The idea of being with a beautiful, sexual woman, and all that normally involves, but for me to be the receiver of the penetration, is extremely arousing to me. That's one I haven't experienced yet, but would love to!

Leah from Victoria.