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As an SP, I offer an "experience" not to be a "cum bucket" for someone's release for lack of better words. No thanks. If I'm going to be just a release for somone, they are going to be paying for it. I'm not a machine and a 15 min appt is not worth it to me since it takes the same amount of time to set up and get ready. Then there is the aspect of those trying to get more time for free and then there is the volume where how many clients are coming and going in a day. I am a very discrete person and would never allow this to happen when I can make more on a single appt alone. I'm not an avid clock watcher but when someone texts me with a laundry lists of specific acts they want for $60 for 15 mins or expect what they would get in a 30 or 60 min appt, do yourself a favor a favor and go to a street corner. I take time and pride in what I do and myself and my surroundings reflect that as well. I have no interest in doing these types of appts and contrary to men who are fans of 15 min service, you get what you pay for. In a fantasy world, if I did one of these 15 mins appts, it would be the bare minimum. Why should I go out of my way when someone is attempting to negotiate my rates? Why should I go the extra mile? I had someone text me once and said they only needed 5 mins of my time for $20. DELETE! If you're looking for a 15 min session then more power to you but don't expect the world for $60. Last year a 15 min appt was $100. Then it went to $80 and now guys are demanding $60. The reason this is happening because women let them. They get into this business with no training from an agency. They have a cell phone, put up a BP ad and call themselves an escort. Then some men bully them into giving them service for $60 -$80 and often times let manipulate them into staying overtime for the same rate. Some of these women don't know any better. The real sense of having an experience with an escort is long forgotten such as when I first started as an SP. That whole aspect has been thrown out the window and it's all about how a man can get off in the shortest amount of time with the lowest amount of cash to offer. Thankfully there are men out there who appreciate SPs and the time together.

Im going to try to bring the ball back around here. While everybody has a "type" that may make them tingle; not all is based on looks. Obviously. I learned a long time ago that everybody has something to bring to the table that is sexy and sensual. Be it personality, or a wonderful smile or respect, handsome hands, whatever. Example...when I was in my 20's I thought David Lee Roth was da bomb; until he opened his mouth in an interview. Any sexy in him went right out the window. That taught me a lot in judging what I personally find attractive in a person. I am a Nudist at heart, and have belonged to a club long before there were many. When you have been around as many naked people as I have, you learn pretty quick not to buy into the poster people. They are not real. Airbrushed, coiffed, make up, graphic manipulation, all add up to what you see. Yes some people are generally more physically attractive that others; but that does not make others non attractive. Perhaps I have become a realist where the human body is concerned. In my opinion everyone has something about them that one can find "sexy" or "attractive". To me it's also a package deal. The whole enchilada describes who a person is rather than looks. When one is young, people tend to buy into the poster people. But maturity and real life usually soon dispel that. I was considered cute at that age and was pretty popular. Cute usually doesn't last beyond 30 imo. Age and illness has changed my looks, but I am no less comfortable in my skin now than then. And how I view peoples sensuality abruptly changed with the David Lee Roth experience. I also belong to an historical group. Something that hit me very profoundly one day was a bigger woman saying why she loved dressing up and being in this club. She said it made her feel pretty. That stunned me as I always thought she was anyway. But her perception of her own self was rather skewed in that she still thought of herself as unsexy and unattractive when not wearing the pretty clothes. How does one tell that woman that you are beautiful, clothing or not? You can't. That is their own journey. I am in complete agreement here with Nathalie. There is always something. And it doesn't take long to figure it out. Intimacy is arousing, being treated well is arousing, men who actually care for me as a person is arousing. Those are the men that I personally want to come back. Because it is, to some of us, more than just sex.

Just wanted to see what hobbyiest and SP's think of 15 minute sessions. There must be a need as I see more SP's offering it. But for me short session is 45 minutes. I like one hr sessions. I've done only 1 30 minute session, but found it too short to have fun and get to know someone. In 15 minutes, I assume the clock starts when the door open. That's not enough time to take your clothes off, take a shower and chat a bit. I mean, it must be a real quicky to be in and out of so fast? I guess for some guy's it's all they need to get off quick. But where's the fun in all this. I like to get to know the woman and spend time kissing and chatting first. What's your opinion and experiences with the 15 minutes session? Just interested in peoples opinions from both sides of the fence. Hope to hear some interesting discussions.

It does seem to cheapen the whole thing. For myself, i don't see the point of offering anyone a rate option for this. If someone is in a big rush or finds they don't take more than 14 minutes i don't see why they can't just take the time they want to take, and compensate the sp for the half hour, because that is the time she is providing. That is also what it is costing her to give a lower rate for a 15 minute time session, she is giving up the chance of a half hour or hour appointment for very little return. Let's be realistic, no sp offering 15 minute sessions should expect that client to be in her place more than 16 minutes door to door otherwise, why isn't he paying for a half hour?. And how can anyone reasonably expect the sp to not watch the clock, to ensure he is not taking advantage of this option, in order to stay longer but pay for less. It seems like a very fine line.

I am so sad right now. My big boy Vinny is in unexpected surgery right now after a trip to the emergency vet clinic for something that I thought wasn't going to be a big deal. He's pretty tough and resilient, so I have a lot of hope that he will be alright, but it still sucks. He's the friendliest cat I've ever met in my whole life, and a pile of playful fluffy cuddly sucky awesomeness. My animals are like my children, so when they are sick or sad, I feel it too. :( Here's him cuddling with Milo: And here he is playing it cool after he got stuck in a pair of my underwear while playing in the laundry: And the infamous "Bros" photo: Please send hugs our way for Vinny's successful surgery and speedy recovery. :)

I've offered them on two occasions. 1) When I started to be an SP, I was living with roomates and had a really limited windows to offer incall so 15 minutes was better than a 4 hours session 2) When I had two regular that were clock wise, to see me two or three time a week for an in-out BJ during their lunch break. When I was in Ottawa, I used to live really close to gov building office My own personal opinion? I don'T like them. That's when I felt "use" as a whore, prostitute so to say and not as a human being , someone with feelings that may like to also receive a little of attention, be it a caress, kiss, slow lick I don't offer them anymore and will more likely soon remove the 30 minutes appointments.

Hey everyone; This is something of a rant & I'm sorry if I offend anyone. I don't intend to offend anyone, but I think there are a few things that need to be said. I know I don't post much but I've been around the SC scene for a long while. I, among others, have made allusions to a few trends that we have seen in the clubs over the last few years. First, dancers seem to have forgotten about the art of dancing. All too often I see a gorgeous woman get up on stage for a song and it's an energetic, fast paced tune that we all can get into. The lady dances this slow, almost bored, barely teasing show. For me if a dancer isn't interested in moving to a particular song it's going to show. I know of a bar or two that have set lists of songs the girls can pick from, please stop this practice so the ladies have more say. Ladies, pick songs you can move to. Lately it's hard to find a lady who uses the stage for being showy and doing tricks. Use the music and your ability to catch our attention. Secondly, cell phones. These great communication tools are wonderful companions and great in keeping in touch with friends, family, and clients. All too often though I see dancers staring at their phones. I for one, will not interrupt you on your phone. The ladies who catch my attention are the ladies who show some interest, energy, and aren't the ones who show up to talk to me for 30 seconds before trying to get me to take them to the CR. Put the phone away, talk to guys, and be friendly. We'll more than likely respond favourably. Slammer P.S. I've been sitting in a club typing this for about 20 minutes on my phone... I'm putting it away now and I'll reply when a dancer comes to speak to me. Posted via Mobile Device

I will never understand why people start internet death hoaxes. Can you imagine waking up one day and seeing your own name all over the internet as someone who has just died, while you're actually sitting there alive and well? The worst thing about this is, it causes people to question whether a report of a death is true or not. Right now I'm reading reports that Lou Reed is in fact alive and well, and his death reported was a hoax. But I think that hoax... is a hoax, as there are more reports confirming the death. It's awful because people should just be able to mourn the loss of an amazing artist, rather than have to search through articles to see if someone is actually dead or not. I'll never understand the thought process behind these things!

my personal PoV: There is an "agreement" of sorts made between client/SP ; time for money. What happens during that time is not part of any "agreement". If a client asks if specific services are offered, that does not suddenly turn said agreement into a contract forcing the SP to provide this service. As previously stated, this is "rapey" because the client can only want 2 possible outcomes: money back or forcing the SP to provide mentioned service. Both of which seem ridiculous to me. Not to mention that if I contact LE and tell them you forced me into any type of sexual act, they wouldn't ask me if said act was implied beforehand or not, they would only be concerned with the fact that I said no DURING the encounter. Example: Client: Do you allow digits? SP: YES. During the encounter, things did not naturally flow to the direction of digit-usage. Have I breached our agreement? NO. He still got the TIME he paid for. He will not force me to allow digits after his time is finished, nor would I be willing to give him back a single dime. And then we come to the disgruntled client who threatens to write a bad rieview on another site. I would not give in to this form of blackmail, my dignity is worth much more to me than my online reputation. Hobbyists need to understand that it IS time they pay for, the only scenarios when they should feel ripped off is when the encounter is cut short by an SP (or of course any B&S stuff, obvious scams etc.). Anything that does or doesn't happen in that time is of little importance when it comes to "terms of an agreement". And what do you do when time is cut short? Don't see her again. End of story. The amount of money you would spend on legal representation in court should exceed that which you spent on the encounter itself so even discussing seeking legal action in this situation is ludicrous. I personally do offer specific acts an extra cost, ie: Greek or CIM. If a customer pays up front for greek, and during the encounter we find out it isn't going to work today, I do give him back the tip that was provided for the greek option. But am I going to give him a discount on the hourly rate because we didn't try the doggie position? pardon my French, but, HELL NO! The hourly rate is what it is, TIME. My rate is not $200 for X,Y & Z services, it's $200 FOR AN HOUR, and this hour holds the possibility of X, Y & Z. (In my personal case, you just have an option to "upgrade" services allowed, and these are refundable since this cost is for an act, I don't think client should pay if THESE SPECIFIC ACTS that were attempting to be "purchased" were not provided) And as for the gentleman who decides not to pay at the end (I personally do not get into this situation myself), I would gladly introduce you to my putter, ask Tiger Woods how that feels and then re-think your point of view. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

When a Gent asks, "why an old/fat/whatever like me?"; I stare them in the eyes and state the obvious. As I said earlier, it's not too difficult to find something that is very charming and alluring with everyone. I will say something like, "Are you kidding me? Yor smile makes me melt; or, you have an incredibly sexy ass; or something equivalent. But I am always honest about it. Saying something like, "You're the best looking guy around", sounds hollow and if it's not true a person will know you're pandering. People know where they stand on our cultures scale of "attractiveness". Why lie? But it is so easy to see beyond that for some of us. This is why, when I do sometimes advertize, I never say words such as "stunning" or "the best" or "ultimate fantasy". That is desperate oversell imo. I am not stunning, nor am I the best (although I am very very good at a lot of things ;) ), and perhaps I am someones ultimate fantasy, but how would I know that? So the reverse is also true. I will tell you the truth from my eyes. I will say what I find sensual or sexy about you and if you make my legs shake and know how to push my buttons you will know that as well. I do not believe the stigma will go away any time soon, if ever. Some people just don't get it, and never will. It will lessen over time with what Nathalie says, but for some folks this will always be an industry of sleaze. Also all people are different and can lower the bar simply by participating in this activity. Yes there is fantasy and illusion in this business, but there is also room for positive honesty.

To answer your first question, I was hoping for more ideas to bring things to light and I think this thread has done exactly that :) If there are more suggestions, by all means, post them. To answer your seconds question, I'm not entirely sure. Similar to GLBTQ movements for rights related to gender identity and sexual orientation, I think both sex workers and clients will face less and less stigma as time goes by as local, national, and international sex workers' human rights organizations shed light on the industry for the general public. Also, a lot of sex workers are less and less 'closeted' about their experiences... Other thoughts? I don't want to bump the thread if it's dead, but I'm curious :)

For some reason I can't help but picture this: But yeah, no judgement on others, to me it sounds more stressful than fun. If I'm going to get to enjoy an encounter, I want to it to be a real experience. Hard to do that when you've given yourself less time than the previews last at a movie.

It really gets kinda sad when it actually has to be spelled out YMMV. Is common sense and common decency so far gone that a prospective client needs to have things such as a fresh shower, shave, fresh breath, deodorant, clean clothes etc spelled out contract form like before having a date with a professional companion. I really wonder after reading some posts how did these guys manage to date in the civilian world. Instead of worrying about a provider vs client contract which to me sets the tone of the encounter off wrong. It implies, using the phrase "provider versus client" a underlying conflict between the two. And using a contract is using legalese to navigate any unforeseen circumstances that may happen in an intimate encounter Why not, instead go into an encounter with a positive attitude. The lady is a professional companion, so go to the date using some simple common sense, like good hygiene and paying her in full on arrival. Treat the lady, every lady, like a lady, with respect and appreciation, and she'll treat you like a gentlemen and return the respect and appreciation. And don't worry about contracts and other distasteful things. Instead let things unfold naturally, and do what you can to make the encounter an enjoyable time not just for you but for the lady too. And you'll find the encounter will likely be a very memorable memory A late night, I guess early morning rambling RG

15 minuets isn't long enough to get to know you enough to know whether or not we should actually be naked together. I have a 2 hour minimum for a reason. If it isn't fun for me then I'm not playing. I do understand there are those on a limited time frame but I genuinely believe that they never get out the door in 15 mins thus they should take a 30 min option offered by those providers that specialize in in shorter visits. I just don't get 15 min sessions... cat

seems to me that he is biased ... but to each their own ... as a mature provider and selective ... I will refrain from even considering booking with this gentleman in the future when he realizes that we have more experience and will know what buttons to push and play with ;) and not booking quantity but giving the quality that most are looking for :)

I met Asia through Sophia's Suite Escapes and I was rewarded with an incredibly pleasurable time. Asia greeted me in a very sexy outfit that instantly had my attention. She is very seductive and knows how to make you comfortable and ready for action. She was willing to do all I asked of her with enthusiasm and made for a great time, naturally YMMV depending on what you are looking for but I am quite sure you won't be disappointed. It was totally non rushed relaxing and a great time from start to finish.

I'm 'out' about being an escort in my personal life. When I meet new people, I test the waters before I tell them but I don't hesitate overly long. The issue I often face when meeting new people is something along the following. They say, "it's alright that you're an escort, but... your clients... aren't they kind of gross? Isn't it nasty to have to do things you don't want to do with people you aren't attracted to, or who are dirty?" I'm always really amazed that people say those sorts of things. I adore my clients, and I'm lucky to have had very positive experiences. They ask me lots of mean questions (i.e. about hygiene, weight, appearance, STIs, etc) as if this were a reason to stigmatize, or dislike, not my job as an escort, but rather the clients that seek my services... Ewwww seems to be their reaction. So I've done a few things to 'humanize' clients in the minds of the people I meet. I usually say, "Do you like your dad, brother, uncle, cousin?" "Well, of course", they say. "He's probably my most typical client", I respond. They are shocked. I say other things too, of course, but that's usually where I start... My question is for the clients on the board, if you could say anything to the people I talk to, what would you want to say about yourself? While I'm really good at defending my clients in these situations, I'm curious to see what other people would say if they could be open about their involvement on CERB.

I'm just about ready to watch the whole Lord of the Rings trilogy again. The early James Bond films are fun to watch in series, too. So strange to watch "Dr. No" and see Sean Connery jetting about in 1962... It's just 50 years ago yet the world is barely recognizable. Not just the technology (which is enormous) but people wearing suits... and hats.

Well lets see James Bond (Sean Connery) series James Bond (Pierce Brosnan) series James Bond (Daniel Craig) series Dirty Harry/Magnum Force/The Enforcer(I haven't forgotten Sudden Impact or The Dead Pool, just wish I could LOL) Band of Brothers miniseries A few RG

My very best wishes to Birdboy, whose Pooner Diaries' posts are a joy to read. May this coming year be filled with happiness for you. Please keep your great posts coming! Best, toine

Earth from Endeavour:

Belated Happy Birthday BirdBoy -- I hope you enjoyed your special day with a special gal or two.

Let's do some time math for a quickie: Before deed: -Get in the door, say hello, untie & remove shoes, take coat off and hang up: 5 minutes (stuck coat zipper, add 1 minute; knot in laces, add 1 minute) -Give donation: 1 minute -Quickie hand wash: 1 minute -Take cloths off without rips or popped buttons: 2 minutes (stuck pants zipper, add 1 minute) -Quick minimal hand wash: 0.5 minutes After deed: -Quick minimal wash-up: 1 minute -Put cloths on, neat & tidy: 3 minutes -Put shoes & coat on: 2 minutes So far, were up to 15.5 minutes, without the eventualities added in. Maybe with practice my times could be improved, but even with a half-hour session, 14.5 minutes left for fun-time isn't enough for me.

Well, interestingly enough, the OP started 2 threads on this, and has not come back to discuss this. If he doesn't want to discuss this, just wants to drop a turd and leave, then I have no interest in joining in either.....

Wishing you a very Happy Birthday!

These are wings too. Additional Comments: Additional Comments: The wings are implied, for these Angels.

Happy Birthday my fellow scorpion! have a great day Birdboy!

Hope you are having a wondeful day! Happy Bday!

For me that is enough time to answer the door, let the lady in pour the glass of wine and we start the conversation, either getting to know one another if the companion and I don't know each other, or reconnecting if I'm having a encounter with a companion who is more a friend. I personally prefer longer encounters, now I like four hour encounter. And I have had very memorable encounters where roughly two and a half hours of that four hours were spent in the living room of the hotel suite with the lady just reconnecting and enjoying each other's company. So for me, and speaking for me only, a fifteen minute encounter would be a very empty encounter, serving primarily one purpose. That is not to criticize those that seek such encounters out, it's just not for me A rambling RG

Happy birthdate Pete

This is Laura Harris (apparently).

Happy Birthday Birdboy, hope you enjoy your day!

Speaking of great documentaries, Sharkwater, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5MeQUX4kk. A little graphic and heartbreaking at times...but it will really open your eyes and hopefully will wipe Sharknado, Jaws and all that other dumb crap from your minds. Since I have begun to learn more about sharks, and after seeing this doc. I literally cannot watch Jaws anymore (it was once in my top 5 favorite movies of all time). But Jaws is just so far off base, and so irresponsible.....the negative impact it has had on the public opinion of sharks is undeniable. I can't think of any other single movie that has ever been so damaging to a species.

Happy Birthday Birdboy Enjoy Your Special Day RG

Happy Birthday to you. Have a fantastic day full of the things that make you happy and throw in a few erotic nuances for good measure! Enjoy!

Happy Birthday Birdboy! Have yourself one fantastic day!!! :D

Saw a whole other side of somebody, truly a kind hearted person.

When you sit in the drive thru at Tim Hortons for 10 minutes and then get to the speaker and find out they don't have what you want and you now have to wait 5-10 minutes to get out of the drive thru empty handed

On BP there is a car wash being advertised, lol...when I did search had 23 results. Mostly from Europe, I highly doubt these are the ladies you would be meeting!

It's a good point -- but I think that in every case the high-profile figure is cheapened and tarnished by the association. He drops a couple of rungs down the ladder. It's just that his other obvious assets of money or power are strong enough to keep him pretty high despite this. In essence, "he's rich but suffers from a sad compulsion." More generally, and not really directed at your specific post: So why are men stigmatized in the first place when found out to be sex work clients? It's because of that central role sex has in the historical, conservative underpinnings of our culture: it's one of the primary currencies for measuring people's level of success. - Men who are accomplished are "supposed to" have easy access to sex being offered from adoring women who respond to his success and power. If he doesn't have that, then he must not be successful. And if he's paying for it, he must not have any other access to it -- there's something wrong with him. - Women are expected to hold their sex in reserve as precious currency to secure marriage. If she's spending it too freely, she's cheapened; and worse, if she's selling it, she must be desperate, like pawning irreplaceable heirlooms. These ideas look silly spelled out like that, but they really do hold powerful, often unspoken yet deeply held authority in our sexually conflicted culture. Plus, what exposure do most people have to the industry? Only the media's portrayal, which condemns it with one hand (sex! exploitation! desperation!) at the same time it uses the sexual allure to draws viewers with its titillating side ("Look at those fishnet stockings! Tsk tsk. ...mmmm..."). It's hard to blame people who have nothing else to go on. I think the thing I'd say to try to address the stigma is EXACTLY what Nathalie did so wisely in her first post: "these are the very same guys you know in your own life, and there's nothing wrong with them. It's not the clients (or SPs) that are faulty; it's your own ideas about sex and sex work."

My nick-name asks the age old question, who am I? Or in my case it asks if I am a fish? I've been called a bottom feeder, but am I a fish? I live to spawn, but Am I a Fish? I'm comfortable in schools, but em I a fish? I think mermaids are drop dead sexy, but emiafish?

Nat, There are so many falsehoods that surround this business on both sides. Quiet frankly , in my everyday life I'm quite sure that nobody would surmise that I choose to enjoy the company of companions. I don't have that "seedy" factor that many wrongly assume about clients and companions. I take my small kids who I adore to swimming lessons and sit with all the other parents waiting for my daughter at her dance lessons. I always make sure that whenever possible I'm home to brush my kids teeth, read them their story and put them to bed. I'm silly and can reduce myself to a child to play with them and relate to the world on their level. I'm an excellent Dad. I'm at the top of my profession, wear a suit almost every day and day in, day out I professionally present the image of walking the straight and narrow. Despite the irony, I am an excellent supportive husband that actually worships his wife and thanks the stars every day that she is in my life. I volunteer for charities, play music and sing at old age homes to entertain throughout the year in an attempt to just contribute a little bit more. To the outside world I present the epitome of having my life together. I'm sure I'm not alone in this there are other clients who's own story mirrors mine. Just as you state many of us clients are in fact just "real everyday people". We all have our own personal reasons why we choose to enjoy the company of companions but for many of us that reason is not that, "nobody else would have sex with us unless paid". It's so much more broad and can't just be reduced to "dollars for sex". Yes there is sex, but in my case it's more about an aspect of intimacy and closeness that I crave and sometimes that's just simply the sensation of a beautiful ladies hand in mine as we lay together. Beautiful, simple and definitely not "gross". I don't know if I explained myself or my thoughts properly but it can just be summed up by saying, "I'm an everyday real man".

Yes, I face this almost daily too:( My statement is this.... I have never been treated with the amount respect and caring in my "real" life as I experience with my clients! My clients genuinely care for me, respect me and want to see me happy and safe. They open the door for me, they support me, make me laugh and blush. They wish me happy birthday, Merry Christmas and Happy Thanksgiving! I have dated, and those men don't even bother with any of that! As for the "gross" client, you have one chance to meet me. If you do not meet my standards, then you either show up next time meeting my standards, or you will get bare min service and not return. But truthfully, this hardly ever happens. I mean gross, as in not cleaned, showered, etc....I do not expect everyone to be a hunk, haahha...this is about a service designed to make men feel good about themselves, feeling cared for, looked after. So as long as they leave happy and confident, then so am I! I take pride in what I do, and put every effort into providing a service that accomplishes all that. There has been one or a few, that I had to have "a talk with" about hygiene. They seemed to have listened to me, as they do arrive ready for a date. But if you are ever rude or mean, then you are leaving ASAP. People just see us a s victims, or whatever....But after you chat with us, you see we are much more in control and have more respect then you would think. I AM NOT A VICTIM! I AM SELF EMPLOYED, PROVIDING A MUCH NEEDED SERVICE. AND THIS MAKES ME HAPPY. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Best wishes, xoxoxo, Sophia OOOPSY, JUST NOTICED. This is a question for the clients hahhaha

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I don't think assumptions about his motivations are necessary. His inquiry isn't that off base as I have had young female providers ask me the very same question because they couldn't understand how I could command double what they asked and book more calls than they did. It's comes from the naive view that great sex is only for the young by the young and is a belief held until one day you look in the mirror and you're not young anymore but still sexual! Let's allow him the opportunity to grow a little bit in the awareness that great sex is ageless and starts in the brain, not the body... cat

I don't share his opinion whatsoever, I find it disrespectful to all the ladies. Don't worry, you didn't put him on the spot, he's the one who put himself on the spot. Remember, he wants to know what we think RG

An interesting question, I look forward to this discussion! I'm mature and have no issue knowing what my time and service is worth. Every guest has an ideal provider in mind, some prefer younger providers because they are more visual; others prefer a woman who has experience and can take an encounter into deeper connection territory. Age has nothing to do with what a provider considers fair when it comes to considerations; clients determine what they want and decide if the fee is worth the service they are looking for. Obviously there are enough men out there that realize maturity brings a certain element to the equation that is worthy of their patronage... cat

Welcome to Cerb, Damien :) To get this conversation started, maybe you could tell us why, in your experience, "younger ladies are better service providers". What does "younger versus "older" mean to you, personally? As far as your first question, I am not certain I understand what it means. Care to expand on the meaning of "top booker"? Thanks :) Additional Comments: Just another question... What makes an SP a good one/a better one in your books?

I wanted to comment on this thread and ad my viewpoint in case it can help others starting out. There are two terms being used in the thread that amuse me, contracts and hiring. In my opinion there are no contracts made here, we make agreements. We are not hiring, we pay for an experience offered by an SP. The term hiring for an SP is misleading, I hire people to mow my lawn and I pay them when they're done. When I pay an SP I am after entertainment. Much like going to a show I will read reviews first, or maybe an advertisement was extremely effective. A difference is the cost but, put bluntly, this is not a hobby to get into if you are focusing on your 'hard earned money' and getting the most bang for your buck. When I hire people I am the boss, when I pay a provider it is their show, I am not hiring them to do work but paying for their (interactive) performance. I am not a fan of the phrase 'donation is for time only' and notice it seems to be used mostly by hobbyists feeling the need to speak up for SP's. The donation is not for time but for an erotic encounter. However there is no contract, not every meeting, agreement or purchase involves a contract. There is no meeting of the minds as Steve McQueen has said, more importantly there are no terms and conditions listed (the fine print). There is no contract without this, just an agreement, and we do not get into these kinds of details in this business. Though an interesting topic would be how that may change depending on an upcoming SC ruling. The original question isn't new thinking, every client has had concerns when contacting a new provider. I found Cerb and another site that was too fond of symbols and coloured text at the same time starting out and wondered why anyone would use the other. After finding the diary I can't understand how anyone gets fooled by obvious scams when there is a professional, client oriented site available. CERB seems to have come about because of clients wanting to pool information to protect themselves from being victimized. Thankfully CERB has no negative reviews, which I feel is a big reason for the positive community feeling here. That doesn't mean the client is SoL though. Positive reviews are a powerful thing! They are the best form of advertisements for SP's. Reading the comments from providers on this thread alone you can see why repeat clients are desired given as new clients seem to cause the most issues. Starting out I looked first at reviews, ignoring advertisements, and looked into providers with the most positive comments. I noticed some listed things they do by category which felt mechanical to me but I understood the marketing, while others focused more on the overall experience and put effort into conveying their warmth and nature which appealed more to me and led to many memorable moments.

It is a SCAM and when I have time I love to waste their time. I act all concerned when they tell me I have a virus that's affecting the whole network but not to worry they will help me. So I play dumb and have them guide me through the processes to rid my computer of viruses. What they try to convince you to do is to disable certain security on your computer that would allow them to install a msn type appllication that will allow them remote operation of your computer, in doing so they can install keystroke and spyware software and also install a virus cleaner that will prompt you to purchase a spyware cleaner of course for that you need to give them your credit card info. So I like to fumble my way around the computer and pretend like I don't know what I'm doing and just frustrate the hell out of them. Other times when I don't have the time I tell them "yes there is a message on my computer" they act all concerned and helpful and ask that I read it out to them. I tell them yes it says " Microsoft windows has detected that you are being scammed over the telephone please advise the caller to FUCK OFF" Usually they reply back with a barrage of slurs and nonsensical insults, my favorite being when the gentleman on the phone told me " you sir put your penis into your anus!" and then hung up on me, LOL