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Agreed. I dislike these threads because they often result in some name-calling (whether directly or indirectly) toward the providers who do offer shorter sessions. If a short session is not your cup of tea, then don't ask for it or don't offer it. There's no need to look down on providers who do offer it or clients who ask for it (provided they are respectful and take a "no" from providers who don't offer it). If you prefer longer sessions, then look for providers who offer it. I personally don't think threads like these are going to change how providers offer their session lengths, or how a client books their sessions; if someone does not enjoy a 15-minute or half-hour appointment, they are not going to offer it or ask for it. Inquire respectfully, but be prepared for the answer if it's not already posted in their ads or on their websites.

All these time increments! I'm guessing this suggestion may be tongue in cheek. What's next, taxi style metres?

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Why oh why oh why oh why oh why would you start a thread then if it never ever concerns you ?? I saw the title of the thread and went "Oh my fucking god" ! Here comes the minute meter shit again. Discussion threads are good. Let us have a valid reason however. Just my opinion of course.

I honestly think this is going a bit too far. Having to figure out your rates by five-minute intervals (40 instead of 45, 20 instead of 15), I think all you would get in result is a clock-watching SP - because if someone wants to pay down to the minute, I think you would force your SP to ensure the timeframe isn't exceeded. Things don't need to be timed to the minute. If 30 isn't enough... go with 45. I would hope that doesn't mean anyone is looking at the clock at 37 minutes and thinking 'I'd better get my last 8 minutes worth'. I think a client should choose the amount of time that works best for him. If 30 isn't enough, choose an hour. If, when you go for an hour, you find that 40 minutes was enough, ask your SP if she offers a 45-minute rate.

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Just so this and I think is the perfect way to make people understand what real kindness is and how important it is to be grateful. WARNING it may make you cry but happy tears :)

no matter how many mins your buying it still takes the lady the same amount of time to get prepared. Be it 15 (oops sorry this thread is for 20) or be it 60. So pay the hour and stay 15 I mean 20. Wink

Respectfully and helpfully stated! :-)

To be totally honest-the 15 minute rate was made to accommodate clients who have very little money or who want to spend very little money-all this has done is cheapen the escort industry. The same can be said for 20 minute options.

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I'm excited! This will be my first social :) Xoxo

Originally Posted by Cleo Catra I think you're right, and I think that's why a lot of us go in circles in these discussions on here. In most cases, it seems like the women participating are not the ones the clients are talking about.... so the points never seem to get resolved, because the ladies can't seem to offer resolutions to situations they can't imagine happening. I think these discussions can be worthwhile. They can be frustrating... if you think a consensus is going to be reached or... if you think you're going to change a participant's point if view. (The internet is not the place for that lol) This particular thread has had over 7,000 views. That's far more than any other current topic. Obviously there's interest, even if only a small minority of members participate. And even if cerb only represents a small percentage of all sp's and clients, it's still our community and we're developing norms of behaviour and conduct in an underground economy/activity where it's difficult to get useful, real, respectful, healthy etc information. I look at these discussions as being similar to any public debate. The point isn't to change the mind of the other debater(s). It's to be persuasive to the audience and provoke them into thinking. This is best done when different points of view are expressed and hopefully expressed well. Hopefully these discussions are also an opportunity to share information and viewpoints that readers would not otherwise have access to, whether that's factual information, personal experience or a different perspective.

I love dirty talk, but it has to be real, not forced. I want to know if he is into me, if it's real it'll just flow and be hot;)

That is how it is supposed to be ;) But this practice takes thinking ahead, and not just for the moment. Returning a text can sometimes cause A LOT of trouble. I would hate to be the cause of something like that, therefore I always use the above stated method when it comes to texting. IMHO-returning text hours later, unless it was actually requested, says a lot about how the sp views discretion.

I myself work out of a spa, so I see that some of the clients see different MA's and for the most of us it doesnt bother us; or at least myself, we see different men, so you should be able to see different MA's Have a Sexy Hump Day!!!

Sorry, don`t want to be too contrary but it can work. Firstly you have to set the limits, like no un-protected sex, and any other constraints. Secondly set all the limits, time, price etc, and it can work. If people can follow an agreement, then you could have a good time.

True! These discussions take place amongst a microcosm of CERB members which represents a micro microcosm of the sex trade generally. Sort of like preaching to the choir. Peace MG

I think you're right, and I think that's why a lot of us go in circles in these discussions on here. In most cases, it seems like the women participating are not the ones the clients are talking about.... so the points never seem to get resolved, because the ladies can't seem to offer resolutions to situations they can't imagine happening.

For me, the hottest thing that can come out of a man's mouth (besides his tongue) is the truth. Any dirty talk that flows naturally and in the heat of the moment is a turn on for me. I wouldn't put myself in a situation of being with someone who was into things outside my boundaries so it would be highly unlikely degrading or hard limit directives would come out. I have been with partners who weren't comfortable with dirty talk and it was a turn on to hear them learning to express their desire vocally. It's not what you say, it's the way you say it that has the most impact. As for the turn off scale, honestly guys who have unreasonable expectations or ones based on someone else. We are all human and we all have our own reactions and abilities. Just because lady A squirted with little to no effort doesn't mean I will react the same. Nor does it mean I can come multiple times in 5 minutes or even within 5 minutes. If you have expectations that every woman is the same and can all perform the same it puts unnecessary stress on our time and turns it more negative then positive. B open, explore, learn...don't expect! Also, because something happened one way one time, don't expect it to be that way all the time. People and situations can change, be aware. For me, be present in the moment, enjoy one another and have no expectations beyond enjoying what happens.

For me, a racing pulse is stirred more by the tone than the words themselves. The velvet purr combined with hot moist words delivered anywhere near my neck area will send shivers throughout my body and goosebumps appear in the most delicate places. Whispers first of want, then carnal need primes me for the action to follow. Words with hard C's seem to ring my bell more than soft s's. The one thing that really doesn't work for me is being commanded to come more than is humanly possible. If you are here for a play date, know that I will come as my body allows and doesn't follow direction of that nature. The words "Come for me again" dries me out quicker than a sun shower lasts in Arizona... cat

The answer is No you should not feel guilty about seeing different MAs working for the same Spa... Nor should the MA feel jealous about you seeing other ladies... I often find myself referring gentlemen that visit me to see other ladies that work with me... many here can tell you that I am very open to tell you how wonderful are the ladies I work with... we are like a family and we take care of each other as such! So go out there., have fun.. Enjoy and meet all the ladies you have interest in meeting.. we are all different and we all have something special and unique to offer you! And there is a say where I come from: VARIETY MEETS PLEASURE! Cheers :)

I love good porn, I really do. I have a file of J/O material and loads to stimulate any and all inclinations but I have actually only used it with 1 client on 2 occasions. Why don't I use it? My official party line is that I don't need it. If I need porn to get a client onboard then I'm doing something wrong. I don't have a tv in my playspace or my massage studio because once I have a guest in there, I want to have his entire focus on what we are doing, not some fake moans and bad soundtracks in the background. The reality is I'm already ADD, bring a tv into the mix with anything on it and I will get distracted. When I am focused it is magical, anything less is a waste of my time and his money... cat

Gots to go with giving and getting chocolate!!!

I totally agree Cristy. Dirty talk that sounds like it was lifted from a really bad porn movie does not produce the desired response for me. I either start laughing or get turned off! Dirty talk that comes from uninhibited pleasure and is in the moment... well, now we're talkin' :-)

I'm excited too! Looking forward to meeting you lovely... this will be my first Ottawa social ;)

My neighbor hood is slowly been changing over to the next generation, so each years I get more kids at the door. I tend to buy the usual, but also keep a bunch of juices handy. I also tend to buy thing that I like as there are always left overs which I'll be eating up myself.

Wow cat this is a really great point and not something I've ever thought of as a mood killer but I can understand now how it might be. Thanks for the heads up because I'm sure that this one actually happens a lot to ladies. For me talking of any type during sex feels very awkward and especially with dirty talk. My biggest fear would be that we'd be really hot for each other and in a moment of passion I might say something and the resulting response because I didn't know the ladies preferences, would be the equivalent of that needle scratched across a record sound. Because I fear that I usually keep my thoughts to myself which has in the past caused a lady or two to question if I'm ok and actually having a good time. Thanks for the thread I could sure use the pointers :)

When I was a kid we had a next door neighbor who made taffy apples, it was my favorite house on the block.

Only way a thread stays alive is by commenting on it......just sayin Peace MG

Gave out Granola bars one year (the chocolate chip kind) and Mr. Freezies (un-frozen) another year. Both these items were popular. Tried juice boxes but they were too heavy for the little ones, although the older kids seem to like them. Not sure what I`ll give this year, but I better get my act together and decide!!!

As a former trick-or-treater, I like the idea of something different, but don't think cans of pop or juice boxes would be a good idea - they weigh too much. Fruit of course isn't a treat and often results in a trick, like it being chucked onto your roof. Peanut butter cups were always one of my favourite; you can never give out too much chocolate!

As a naughty Angel working from my spa with a vast selection of beautiful woman I dont blame the gents for seeing other ladies, who could resist ?! hee hee, I even may recommend a certain lady to you! After all variety is the spice of life ;)

Most "science" stories in the mainstream media are so dumbed down that they have little to do with the actual paper or study. As a result valid science is belittles and ridiculed. Maybe the actual scientific paper itself would be quite interesting.

Using my back-of-a-napkin time calculations from before, a 20 minute session would only leave 4.5 minutes of fun time -- that might have been ok when I was 18... Too many options & calculations may make it too confusing (for me anyway) and more about the business transaction than a sensual experience with a fine lady, and I hate to have the stress worrying if I'll finish on time or overstay my welcome. I can envision a 45 minute option, which would have all the benefits you've outlined and might make it easier for the ladies in booking "on the hour" appointments. I'm assuming it's a time and not money motivation for the options, since one doesn't need to stay for the 30/60/90/120 minute session , and do we really want to end up having this stuck on the end of the bed :)

That's the thing: the clients and providers discussing this are very unlikely to be the problematic ones. The issue is that the "good" SPs have to deal with some awful clients, and conversely, "good" clients have to deal with some crooked SPs. At both ends, it's a discussion that involves the wrong audience (and it's likely the audience that should be reading this doesn't give a sh.....)

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I think you're out of luck. It seems you like the Asian ladies since you keep trying with so little success so I'm wondering what it is that you're disappointed with in your encounters? I've only seen a couple ladies from VIPOTG but in both cases they were young, attractive and I enjoyed myself. The most beautiful SP I have ever been with.

Ok, I'm going to vent here..... On my profile, website, etc, I clearly state no greek - no back door action of any type. However, I seem to get guys that want to play with my bum. I know its cute and awesome, but we are getting into the grove, and next thing I know, they are sticking their finger up my ass. No lube, no forewarning, just plug, their finger is in my ass. Then they take their finger and try to put it in my pussy. I try to explain again, no back door action, and can you please clean your hands before we continue. They get all irritated, and don't seem to understand why I'm pissed. Can I ask them for more money or should I show them to the door? No, I grit my teeth, and try to finish the call. Am I happy? Hell no. Not one sp has mentioned this. However, there are those of us that have been there. Next time someone chooses not to give you a service - think. End of rant......

Nikky promises to take all your stress away, and she does. After an exciting pm exchange over the past week, we had a very fun meeting today. No time wasted, she was out of her dress in seconds, and spread out on the bed looking sexy and tempting. Perfect spinner body, perfectly proportioned. My philosophy is that the woman cums first, :) and she did, repeatedly, dancing on my tongue. My turn, and she treated me to a hot bbbj. Then sex, mega- and multi-orgasmic. I love kissing while I'm fucking, and Nikky kisses so well, non-stop. She's an energetic and responsive lover. I felt satiated, unstressed, and unrushed. A great experience. I enjoyed this session hugely, and hope that Nikky comes back for more, soon!

Not my thing anymore. I think internet access especially early on may have something to do with it.....sensory overload. Have been offered porn and declined and have never requested porn and it seems like an oxymoron to me when meeting with an SP. Just my opinion and to each their own. And how come these girls never have money to pay the pizza delivery dude ?? :) Peace MG

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See, these threads are all too limited in their scope. Why restrict yourself to only offering time periods in minutes? How about a rate that says you can stay for 100 breaths? Just think how much fun it would be watching the gent try to hold each breath for as long as possible! Or maybe a rate for the "I have a pet in the room and you can stay until it comes to the foot of the bed and stares at us awkwardly" time frame. Or perhaps a rate for having the news on in the background and your time is up the first time someone is compared to Hitler. Let's think outside the box here people! Er...on the other hand perhaps we should just assume that each Lady has thought about what rates and time frames work for her and her business and accept that as it is. Because I think however we discuss it (and I can see why it's an interesting discussion) that's probably always what it's going to come down to. Cheers.

Actually, as much as everyone is saying "Duh", without looking at how people view men, I don't think this study has proven anything. Do people look at men's faces or bodies more? Why assume it is only women who are looked at this way? They've done other studies to show that men are assessed on their height and the width of their shoulders, so perhaps a similar study with men would show that we're not really looking at their faces, either.

And, again, Leanna:

Something NEW for us.....let's have some fun.....to Show our Customer's Appreciation on Halloween Day all our cuties will be dressed up in there naughty Halloween costumes! Regular room door fees for 30,45 and 1 hour ALL $50 ....Paradise Getaway Room excluded from SPECIAL! Sunday Marlie 10-4 aka "Marvelous Marlie" Nina 10-7 aka "Nina Dream" Sasha 10-9 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Monday Pandora 9-4 aka "Pandora" Hannah 12-9 aka "Hannahxo" Sasha 9-9 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Riley 9-9 aka "Riley Parks" Salina 2-9 aka "Salinaflower" Nina 4-9 aka "Nina Dream" Tuesday Tianna 9-4 aka "Luscious.Tianna" Marlie 9-3:30 aka "Marvelous Marlie" Salina 9-4 aka "Salinaflower" Elle 11-4 NEW aka "Ellexo" Sasha 3:30-9 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Cherry 3-9 aka "Cherry Blossom" Nina 4-9 aka "Nina Dream" Riley 2:30-9 aka "Riley Parks" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Wednesday Hannah 9-3:30 aka "Hannahxo" Tianna 9-4:30 aka "Luscious.Tianna" Elle 9-1:30 NEW aka "Ellexo" Marlie 9-4 aka "Marvelous Marlie" Sasha 9-11 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Riley 1-11 aka "Riley Parks" Jamie 3:30-11 aka "Jamie-xo" Salina 2-11 aka "Salinaflower" AJ 3:30-11 Thursday Jamie 9-4 aka "Jamie-xo" Chantal 9-4 aka "Chantal Summers" Marlie 9-4 aka "Marvelous Marlie" Tianna 9-5 aka "Luscious.Tianna" Riley 9-11 aka "Riley Parks" Salina 2-11 aka "Salinaflower" Sasha 3-11 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Melody 7-11 aka "Melody" Friday Salina 9-4 aka "Salinaflower" Marlie 9-4 aka "Marvelous Marlie" Tianna 9-4:30 aka "Luscious.Tianna" Sasha 9-4 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Cherry 3-11 aka "Cherry Blossom" Jamie 3:30-11 aka "Jamie-xo" Riley 3:30-11 aka "Riley Parks" Nina 4-11 aka "Nina Dream" Saturday Taylor 9-9 aka "Taylor_xo" Tianna 9-4 aka "Luscious.Tianna" Riley 9-4 aka "Riley Parks" Lilly 9-9 aka "Lillickens" Nina 9-9 aka "Nina Dream" Sasha 9-9 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Sunday Nicky 10-9 aka "Nicky in Paradise" Nina 10-7 aka "Nina Dream" Salina 10-9 aka "Salinaflower" Sasha 10-9 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo"

This is horribly short-sighted, IMO. I'm sure people do it, but I think it's just... wrong. Firstly: there's a good chance it may be horribly counter-productive. As has been noted already, people will, rightly or wrongly, infer things from a lack of recos. And so by withholding a reco from someone you like, far from ensuring she'll be available when you want her, you may be sowing the seeds that will force her out of the business entirely! Really, if you want to see her again, your first priority should be to ensure that she stays in the business rather than just giving it up as a bad job. Secondly: I'm highly skeptical of the idea of a SP being booked solid for months. That just doesn't happen, because we guys don't seem to book that far in advance. I don't think I've ever had any trouble arranging a meeting even a couple of days in advance; the only issues I've ever had with availability have been for last-minute appointments ("Are you free in half an hour?" "No, sorry." "OK, some other time, then..."). If she's worth it to you, you'll get your ass in gear and organize a meeting whenever convenient for as long as you want. If you can't do that, you clearly don't care that much. Finally: if you've benefitted from recos written here by other people, is there not at least a small moral obligation to give something back to the community? I know we can't force you, or even know if you haven't, but still... if everyone withheld recos for fear of their favorite SPs being booked solid, there simply wouldn't be any recos at all, and we'd all be much poorer for it.