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  1. 11 points
    I am a die hard BlackBerry user and I recently downloaded a new App that I think is great for this Hobby/Business. The App is called "Hide SMS" and while it is for BlackBerry 10 phones I am sure there are similar Apps for other popular phones. Bottom line the App redirects incoming text messages from identified contacts or phone numbers into a password protected area on your phone and not into your regular text message location. This allows clients to securely text back and forth with SP's with no indication of the text trail in their regular text listing. If your spouse checks your phone you are all clear. It also would allow SP'S to flag the number of regular clients so that the record of their conversations were secure in case the phone is ever lost of stolen. I have only been playing with the app since yesterday but it looks very promising.
  2. 4 points
    Do your research is the best I can tell you. Adequate research usually addresses that issue most of the time. If she's blatantly misrepresented herself as in a B&S scenario then it would be appropriate to (in a very polite way) inform her that based on her pics and ad she appears to have misrepresented herself and you won't be proceeding with the date then leave. However, if she's a legitimate provider and never actually pulled a B&S (she did use her own pics) and you just decided that she's not what you wanted when you arrived the gentlemanly thing to do is, be as tactful as you can and advise her that you won't be able to go through with the date ( for whatever reason including being too nervous). There maybe those that will disagree with me but you booked an hour of her time and never gave her any notice or ability to schedule another client for that time so you offer to pay her the full donation. Chalk it up to a learning experience and do better research next time. Now for me personally? It has happened and I've decided, "ok I can pay her the donation and leave with nothing or I can pay her the donation and give her the opportunity to change my impression of her". Some occasions I have been blown away and even done a repeat. That's my thoughts.
  3. 2 points
    I just spent a wonderful hour with Catherine. She is very warm and friendly and tended to me like I was a king. Afterwards we cuddled and talked. She was very soothing and I could have spent all day and night with her. This is the second girl I've experienced from VIPOTG and I leaning to be quite exclusive to them. I can only date SP's occasionally so when I can trust this firm why not look to them first.
  4. 2 points
    Since there was no actual evidence provided in this article, citations, or links to any actual research done, last week I e-mailed both the author of the piece in the Ottawa Sun, and the the anti-prostitution group who makes the "150 women forced in Ottawa" claim, to inquire about this apparent research. I have not received so such as an acknowledgement. I don't expect to. The group who made this claim, imPACT Ottawa, has posted on Backpage today. They linked to a survey asking clients basic questions about their involvement in the sex industry. I encourage all clients to take part in this anonymous survey, to have your voice heard. It's only a few questions. These are the sort of groups who are influencing any sort of future legislation. Take the survey:: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5H67FYX As well.. here is a response to that article from Frederique Chabot, of POWER Ottawa: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=9488711
  5. 2 points
    Perhaps there is another point of view. While I have been a member for a long time, I don't post very much. I do read a great deal to understand the SP's point of view, but I suppose I am still leery of posting for privacy concerns. Realistically, not a concern I guess, however, speaking for some of us of a certain age, I just don't trust websites, texting, emails, etc as much as I should. Given the population of New Brunswick is so small - with seemingly everyone knowing everyone (I'm originally from a very large city and I still can't get used to this) - security concerns may be keeping gentlemen from posting. Just a theory. I will endeavor to chime in from time-to-time.
  6. 2 points
    Is there a protocol for when you arrive at an SP's place and she sin't what she seemed. For example larger than her pics, or her is face is not pretty. I had this happen tonight and wasn't sure how to handle it , as i didn't want to offend her. But on the other hand I didn't want to pay a cancel fee. So i just saiod i was too nervous and left.
  7. 2 points
    This is why just as gentlemen should have a phone exclusive to this lifestyle the ladies should do the same...one a lifestyle/business phone and email and one a civilian phone and email. A phone NO ONE ELSE uses. That way no SO's, or family/friends can know about this lifestyle It's about discretion It's not just about protecting your own privacy, but protecting the privacy of others that you are involved with (in terms of this lifestyle) and who have entrusted you with their information A rambling RG
  8. 2 points
    This scenario had happened in my business. I certainly did not S&B the pics. This lady just did not have the "model" face that the fellow was hoping for. He told my girl, he forgot his wallet and left. THIS IS NOT THE WAY you should handle it! She had a stunning body, and in her pics, she did not show her face ( privacy) . He later called me, and said it was cause he did not like her face. I then explained how he wasted her time, and she need to get a babysitter in to see him, paying a taxi to the location and back, so paying at least 50% of donation is prudent. He did not come to offer her some donation, so therefore he is on my "don't book" list:( So now, when he calls us, he will not get a booking with us unless he offers that 50% to the lady first. The thing is, he missed out, as she really is a great girl, sweet, humor, chatty and flirty:( It is very rare you will meet anyone on this planet that has 100% beauty in every aspect. Not everyone is going think the same about who is beautiful or not. As there were others that say she was gorgeous. Then just few days later I seen the guy post about a date that ripped him off, so I guess karma took care of that for us, lol..
  9. 2 points
    I'm not sure how this topic of the Best went to a topic about recommendations. I basically meant that term "The Best" is subjective and is only the opinion of the person who has met the woman. And that the term "My Favourite" is more appropriate.
  10. 2 points
    Let's end the world's oldest debate By Eric Duhaime http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/archives/sunnews/straighttalk/2014/02/20140206-081631.html
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    Sunday afternoon cuddles with my baby and his monkey :) It's actually a teddy bear, but he calls it monkey ;) lol.
  13. 2 points
    I was trying to help a new member get out of moderation. I told him to make 5 posts - even if they were just jokes. He then signed my guest book with a joke - good joke too, but of course, it wasn't in a thread. So, he still has in moderation, but I do understand those that are too shy to post. I've even talked to clients about cerb - they won't join because they have to create a profile. I let them know that they don't need to give their real name - however, they still don't come here. I have many long time clients that never post - we have great times together. I guess there are some that just don't want to post. Especially those that are in jobs that require a lot of time on their work computer. The last thing they want is to come up with witty comments. They just want to look and book.
  14. 2 points
    News love fear mongering.. I guess it's not as interesting to report on the great and lovely vacations people have outside the country. There's is so much out there to discover, learn and see. I actually love visiting (parts) of South America. I heard a lot before going there, but I've never come across anything like bribes or abnormally high crime rates. (Though I did find a lot of people stand really close when they talk to you.) I've walked around at night in Asia, stayed with strangers in Europe... once you get out and start seeing places you start to see how similar people are no matter where they live. Don't let fear stop you. If you want to travel, you should.. you're probably just as likely to face unfair persecution here as you are in a lot of other countries. Edit: Oh and you can totally go missing anywhere! Even here.. Was just reminded of Owen Rooney, who was an Australian who went missing here, in Canada, after being beat up.
  15. 2 points
    I adopted Andy two and a half years ago. I don't know what I would do without him. He is a great conversationalist. He always has something to talk about. He is also a great cuddler.... I love him so much.
  16. 1 point
    Has anyone been to this place in Toronto ? I am going to be in the area in a couple of weeks and I am hoping someone can give me some info or at least post a review of their experience
  17. 1 point
    When you visit my profile page I revisit yours, if you allow me. When I do I like to leave a note, a think you and you never know it may be the start of something;) However since I don't tour, yet anyways. I never know if it's a possibility as I DON"T know where you are from. WHY:( can't more of you gentlemen place your province at least on your page? I understand discretion but just a province isn't going to give anyone away, surely! Thank you:)
  18. 1 point
    I use the same app on one of my android devices, it's very easy to set up and does what it claims, the link to which was provided earlier in the thread. While we're here though, does that blackberry of yours come with smaller more discrete text size ?
  19. 1 point
    Randy Bachman Taking Care Of Business Did I redeem myself LOL RG
  20. 1 point
    Thanks everyone very helpful, it was incall and more or less a b&s. Pics weren't her, or at least a few years old. Also the sp didn't look very clean. I mean it was a waste my time as well gas, I could have book else where. I guess better research before booking is needed on my part
  21. 1 point
    Not sure if it's a highlight of the day, but it put a smile on my face this morning. My cat has a hobby. Sometime last night he decided to have some fun and unrolled all of the toilet paper off it's holder. Greeting me this morning, toilet paper all over the bathroom floor. Had to just laugh RG
  22. 1 point
    My looks Long Blond Hair Baby soft, Tanned skin No tatto's BRIGHT blue eyes 34B flexible Athletic Do I like what I do? Like would be a understatement. I love it. I love meeting new gentlemen of all the ages and seeing what new experiences the day will bring. This week Monday 11am- 2pm Wednesday 11am- 4pm Thursday 5-11pm At the most upscale Spa in Ottawa Paradise Spa 613-820-8887 Love Cherry Blossom xoxoxo
  23. 1 point
    All the term GFE means "Girl Friend Experience" as opposed to "standard service" (standard meaning they do not play into the sensual or intimate part they just get the job done for you and out the door you go) instead GFE implies that the lady plays into the fantasy of intimacy and sensuality.... I would assume "ultimate" would imply that they are really good at this. GFE does not imply that ANY services are included. If you assume certain services are included you will find yourself disappointed. (Your hygiene and attitude would also make a big difference in how "ultimate" your experience would be too I suspect) I am sure others will charm in here, I just wanted to mention that GFE & PSE are "STYLES OF SERVICE" and NEVER implies that certain SERVICES are to be expected.
  24. 1 point
    I'm Sasha, a young fit and playful MA who loves to massage and can do it for hours. My sensual erotic massage will relieve your tension & leave you more than satisfied. I'm very fun, open minded and comfortable to be around so let's make this experience as enjoyable and naughty as your fantasies.. I'm petite 5'4, athletic 120 lbs, perky b34 bust, nice round booty, brunette with blond highlights, golden tan, seductive lips, hazel bedroom eyes, 100% natural beauty.. Services: Non-rushed service Full erotic body massage Reverse massage Slippery body slides reverse body slides Shower for 2 Hot tub fun Relaxing music Fresh towels & linens Duos Some fetishes ATM available on site Schedule: Monday: 9am-9pm Tuesday: 9am-2:30pm Wednesday: 12:30pm-6pm Thursday: 9am-5:30pm Friday: 9am-6pm http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=S&t=146238 Join me for some hot steamy fun call: 613-820-8887 or 613-614-2117 Incall location only! -Sasha xxx
  25. 1 point
    Monday Sasha 9-9 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Marlie 9-4 aka "Marvelous Marlie" Cherry 11-2 aka "Cherry Blossom" Kandice 11:30-3:30 NEW aka "Sweet Kandice" Mandy 11-9 aka "CandyMandy" Samantha 1:30-9 aka "Naughty Samantha" Jamie 1:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Sabrina 6-9 NEW Kassandra 4-8 NEW aka "Kassandra" STARTING MONDAY MARCH 3rd,2014 we will be OPEN EVERY MONDAY,TUESDAY & SATURDAY UNTIL 11 pm for your naughty needs! A Special Valentine's Day for you......theme "lingerie".....come spend some well deserved time with our sexy ladies dressed in lingerie...YUM ....All couples massage door fee rates for the day will be at rate of single door fee! Online Ad check it out http://www.cerb.ca/classifieds/ottaw...2014-news.html New Sexy Pics http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/the-angels/ Schedule Updated Daily http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/schedule/ NEW PICS SABRINA http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/sabrinas-profile/ Come for a 4 hand massage in our getaway room....an experience you will never forget Ottawa's Best Room! Regular Room spacious and in room shower Single Massage: 30 minutes $55. 45 minutes on special for $65. 60 minutes $80. 90 minutes $120. Duo Massage: 30 minute on special for $80. 45 minute on special for $100. 60 minute on special for $130. Getaway Room Fee: Room Features a hot tub,6 ft custom shower and fireplace for your enjoyment Single Massage: 30 minutes $70. 45 minutes $85. 60 minutes $100. 90 minutes $150. Session time @ Discretion of MA Duo Massage/Couples Massage: 2 Attendant 30 minute $100. 45 minute $120. 60 minute $150. Couples Massage: 1 Attendant 30 minute $70. 45 minute $85. 60 minute $100. HST included in all door fee prices Longer Session times available and at the Discretion of MA Mandy's Recommendation http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120757 Sasha's Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=146238 Jamie's Recommendation http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=104412& *** NEW RECOMMENDATION http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=J&t=114727 Samantha Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=N&t=142241 Cherry's Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=151528 HIRING.....We seeking attractive hard working ladies! You must be 18 years of age or older to be employed at Paradise Spa. We require proof of legal age and legal eligibility to work via a valid government identification and/or other documentation as required by law. ***ALL MA'S TRAINED BY MASSAGE THERAPIST TOP MASSAGE GUARANTEED! Kandice-NEW Sabrina-NEW Kassandra-NEW
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  27. 1 point
    I originally posted this just for a bit of fun, but there are a couple of deeper issues beneath this phenomena. You're right, that women outnumber men in China. It's believed the ratio is approximately 117 - 100. This appears to be due to female infanticide, selective abortion of female fetuses, and neglect of newborn females. In 1997 the World Health Organization's Regional Committee reported that "more than 50 million women were estimated to be 'missing' in China because of the institutionalized killing and neglect of girls due to Beijing's population control program that limits parents to one child." So, if there are more men than women, women should have no trouble finding partners. If that's the case, why are they hiring boyfriends? China's economy is growing exponentially and women are becoming more economically independent. Everywhere in the world, when women gain economic independence and/or have access to more education they delay marriage and having children. China is no different. In China, parents still cling to traditional beliefs that their daughters need to marry for economic security and because... "That's the way it's always been done." Parents worry about "losing face" if their daughters are "leftover" and not married by 25. In addition, in a one child society, these young women are the sole chance for grandchildren for many parents. At one time or another, most of us have been asked by our families "When are you going to find a nice woman/man and settle down?" Now imagine multiplying this pressure x 100. China is undergoing rapid urbanization and social change driven by its economic growth. Parents of course not only cling to older values in the countryside, they pressure their "leftover" daughters to comply with these traditional values. Apparently it's a lot easier to make parents happy with a pretend boyfriend than it is to challenge them or put up with their pressure every time you visit. After the visit you go back to the city and resume your independent life. Most of these women will eventually marry and have children, but they're just not following the traditional Chinese timetable for these events. Parents however don't think it's possible to delay these events, they think life will pass their daughters by.
  28. 1 point
    Just to clarify my comments regarding Private Profiles.... i am absolutely fine with allowing members to choose to have a private profile for whatever their reason might be... that said I think it would also be appropriate to allow other members with open profiles to restrict access to only those who also share their details. Under this arrangement everyone's interests are respected. Just my opinion.
  29. 1 point
    I think this about right, guys probably just want to get on the site and just add the required info and then go from there. Maybe they plan to change it but just end up forgetting about it an such. I'm sure some guys travel around and maybe prefer not to indicate there home location. I'm sure the MOD could make it a required field to fill if it was a big problem. As for private profiles, SP and Guys have them, i don't really have a problem with them and i think should be at least an option for everyone...maybe they don't want to get a bunch of messages from providers, it is in a way sort of advertising....i don't have an issue with the providers doing it, maybe i'll take them up! :) cheers.
  30. 1 point
    For me the most important aspect in seeing sp or ma is to come out feeling better then when I went in. How is this achieved? Well being shy by nature it help to be with someone who is easy going, friendly, talkative. I can't say I ever had bad experience, more like learning experience. I'm constantly changing and evolving so it's really hard to say, I guess it about living and feeling. When selecting someone new I just go with my gut. Wether I saw something physically attractive or intellectually, I just go with what I feel. I take a chance, some of my best were just a chance. It could be spur of the moment and who available. What make me what to repeat and go back. When I feel strong emotional feelings. When I get that feeling good inside that means I had a great time. I know its all vague but it all comes down to how I feel, mostly mentally and emotionally. Cause lets face it if it were only for a sexual release I always got my hand. I don't even need a sexual release to have a good time or even repeat.
  31. 1 point
    LED...... Plasma is good for movies in the dark...but nit good in bright light LED is by far the best.........
  32. 1 point
    Thanks for the tip Cristy! I do have Alberta as my location right now, but I will change it to 'a province' right away, just for you! :P
  33. 1 point
    First I like to see what they are like by the way they post on Cerb. Their pictures and recommendations help me make my decision. But unusually I like to get to them a bit thru chat, or pm or email. Whether I will repeat will depend on connection and chemistry. It's not what's on the menu that counts to me, but whether she likes and enjoys being with me and does her best to make sure I enjoy myself. If we both connect, just go with the flow of the session and see where it leads. If she indicates that she would like to see me again. that is a step in the right direction.
  34. 1 point
    Well, decided to stop by this past friday after work. The place was booming. Busiest I have ever seen it. Parking lot was surprisingly half full by the time I got there. Once in, I saw the party going on. Place was hopping, music was good, lots of new girls. I would say that most of the newer dancer were 18 to 22 at most, fresh faced, spinner type girls. The same light dark skinned naturally big breast dancer from last week was there. I missed out on a the dance that miss Skyla (blond blue eyed nicely toned body-22-25 yrs old french girl) promised me as she was busy in the CR for a better part of the evening. I chatted for a bit with a young lady who goes by the moniker of "Jade" who is lovely dark skinned dancer with an immaculately toned body (maybe 110 lbs soaking wet). Amazing natural set a 34D's that were begging for attention and a pearly white smile that made her irressistable. She and two of her fellow dancer kept jumping up of the stage for each others dances so there were like 3 or dancer on the stage practically all night. The night was capped off by some random female client seeing nobody on stage and jumping on the pole. The Dj, who is awesome, handled things quite well and kept her motivated and and she gave the crowd quite an amazing show. A good time was had by all. Hope to see you all there next time.
  35. 1 point
    if you google escorting in berlin you,ll see it,s government run and it,s a billion dollar industry
  36. 1 point
    Canada skates to silver in first Olympic team figure skating event.
  37. 1 point
    ^^ I agree re: private profiles. I am of the opinion that client members do not need private profiles, for example, and there is no point in any sp on a free ads site to have one, if she is posting ads and here for biz. So as a feature being used it seems shady lol. I'm on another site with a main forum that covers the US and Canada, with mostly US members. The main forum gets everyone from everywhere posting, but i once pointed out, why don't the sps have their location right in their signature? Many post for marketing reasons, makes sense that they make it easy for the clients, who are also from all over the US, would know if that sp is an option for them ever, without going out of the forum to check a profile that is.
  38. 1 point
    I am the quiet type of confident ... I like to pleasantly surprise people
  39. 1 point
    Here is something that happened recently... A gentleman sent a PM requesting information... the problem herr is that he has his profile set as PRIVATE.. not only we were not able to see any information about him.. BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REPLY TO HIS REQUEST... why even bother sending a request for information when you don't allow people to contact you either...
  40. 1 point
    I wish I had more time to post, to be honest. I have a variety of things that compete with my time, such as writing my thesis, my work as a research assistant, my yoga practice, etc. I find it really hard to find time to post on forums which is why I write in my blog more often. I know how important it is for people to get a general sense of who we are beyond what we write on our websites, etc. I hardly tour and sometimes I find it difficult to keep up with all the boards. I can only imagine how much time and energy it takes for those that tour multiple cities across Canada to keep up a board presence. I really (really) admire them a lot. This is completely unrelated, and I hope this isn't a hijack RG, but it reminds me of when people say that being an escort is 'easy money'. They're so foolish! There is so much involved in attracting the kinds of clients you like and will enjoy spending time with (blogs, website maintenance, photo shoots, screening, e-mailing, forum posting, etc). Anyway, while I definitely understand how fun it is to interact with ladies online, it's not so easy sometimes. A lot of people in the industry have blogs now too and I think that's a really good way to balance it all :)
  41. 1 point
    SUMMER all year Round... Just Like back Home... I am a sun addict and the least clothes I have to wear and the more skin I can show off the better....
  42. 1 point
    From my perspective there are at least 2 facts about this Hobby/Business There are Risks associated with it for both Clients and SPs Like in the rest of your life some individuals, both clients and SPs will be untrustworthy Based on these two facts it is always imperative that we are careful what information we disclose and with who we choose to disclose it. I get the OPs suggestion that in general the ladies of CERB tend to offer a higher level of professionalism than non CERB SP's but membership in CERB is not a guarantee. In the end responsibility for your privacy and safety as either a hobbiest or SP rests with you.... if you want 100% guarantee than good luck.... if you are reasonable however you try as best you can to to screen your partners.... make good decisions....keep the personal information you share to the bare minimum until you have a comfort level with the other partner. In regards to what happened to the OP I can 100% relate..... we hope when we share information that we can trust that other person and we rely on their common sense and good judgement to protect the personal information that they collect.... thankfully in my experience this need for privacy gas been a mutual need and therefore I have not had any issues..... but I certainly realize the vulnerability that exists and make a conscious decision to proceed.... for me the benefits have outweighed the risks. Just my opinion....
  43. 1 point
    2+ hour long debate between Bill Nye (the Science Guy!) and Ken Ham (founder of the Creation Museum). I've only watched part of it myself, but am quite enjoying it. Well..especially Bill Nye's parts, but still, it's a good watch.
  44. 1 point
    Gina but a few names on this thread i would love to try
  45. 1 point
    I find this thread very interesting going forward with possible changes to prositution laws coming up. Screening will be huge, as I find more and more ladies are using a preferred method,their own site, or other sites that assist ladies for clients to be screened for their sole protection. Regardless of what method the lady uses currently, I can see more requirement for stricter screening than it is now, that is just my opinion. I have absolutely no issue with giving proper screening methods from a provider, as it only makes the transition between both go so much smoother. I use currently P411 for here in Canada and also used for the USA, I have a good number of "okays" on P411 and it works so well well when booking with a VIP courtesan may it be here in our country or in that fact another country. If things change going forward, and guys don't want to give that information to a provider, guys could be SOL. Just my take on it.
  46. 1 point
    When I screen, I can be particular. I find that hotels here ask for the name of the person you are trying to connect to (the upscale ones), so I do ask for the name the room is booked under, otherwise I can't verify your actually there. Safety is a huge concern to me, I use discretion, I'm not going to call your cell phone unless you ask me to, and I'm not going to get into random conversations with you, but providers have to give out lots of details, yet we don't get a lot of answers back to our questions. I'm inviting you into my home sometimes, I want to know who's coming to me.
  47. 1 point
    Everyone can have a favorite which they personally prefer over others. That favorite may be best for them.
  48. 1 point
    I popped into Paradise Spa on a whim the other day, determined to try someone new. Normally, I know who I'm about to see but this time I decided to go "old school" and ask for an MA that was unknown to me. Sasha is a delight. The is the prototypical 'girl-next-door'. Average height, cute face, good body under her clothes led me to believe this would be an average session. I was wrong on several counts. First of all, her body was not good. It was great. The clothes hid beautiful perky natural breasts, curvy legs and a firm bubble butt. Her face was more than cute, especially when she smiles. Smiling transforms her into a beauty. Her massage was definitely above average. She has strong hands and she kneaded me like a man-sized lump of pizza dough. The body slide was indescribable. Our conversation during the massage alternated between short informational exchanges, moans & groans, and long silences while I luxuriated under the influence of her touch. As our session progressed, talk came more easily and I learned Sasha is a very hard worker who has a sister in the business! We were soon lost in each other and before either one of us knew it the hour was nearly over. I left my session with Sasha feeling renewed, refreshed and very satisfied. I am truly looking forward to repeat visits as we have several common pastimes. That and I want to spend more time exploring Sasha's killer body. Who knows, there may be a sister duo in the cards...stay tuned.
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    I have one to add. Please don't message a lady for the first time and ask what the price of a session is if you bring wine. This offer does not entitle you to a discount. I have been known to have wine with clients I know, that book me for more than an hour. Second, if you do not know the lady yet, she will look at this as a red flag. Third, if you have experienced this with another lady, do not assume the next one will accept the same. Not all providers are drinkers and it sends out a feeling that you may be a dangerous encounter. Please use safety and discretion. There's too many people out there that assume having a few glasses of wine in under an hour and then hopping in their car is ok. In my books it is not and I do not send tipsy people on their way.
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