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I have to agree with CC, I have not told this to many people... in fear of being judged...But I thought I would share anyways...so please do not judge. Lots of love J.W. I myself as a child was abused by both my parents & C.A.S. staff. I remember everything like it was yesterday...I was maybe 5-6 when it started..my parents split, made me choose who I wanted to live with..it was hard I chose my dad. My mom did not do well with that. They were constantly fighting & arguing. & my brother & I were the targets in the way. I was maybe 11 when my dad and his wife had sent me away to C.A.S.. As soon as my dad & they did that my mothers mom my close nana committed suicide because of it. In C.A.S. I was hit,picked on & yelled at all the time & I just blew...I was in and out of the system because I do think all the physical, mental & emotional abuse is what pushed me to that point as a young pre-teen/teen..I eventually left my parents & C.A.S & decided to change. I have to admit tho if it were not for what I went through I would not be the person I am today. I am so happy, humble, respectful & kinda greatful for what I went through...cuz I would not be where I am today. Not in the system, no more abuse & just thankful for the lessons I have learned...try to think positive & I try not to dwell on my past...but to move forward.

Morning If there is one subject that gets my blood pressure up and the "mean and ugly" comes out, it is child abuse (closely followed by the abuse of vulnerable women). Over the years I have been lucky enough to lead / raise funds for shelters like the Yellow Brick House in Aurora and the various Interval Houses in Eastern Ontario, and have seen the damage done to these folks. Assuming they are strong enough to fight through all the issues resulting from the abuse, I believe that they will be strong advocates for those who are not as strong. In my opinion, we need to protect the vulnerable, but especially the children and to provide them with any and all options to help them not only survive but thrive. Also my opinion, now this is the "mean and ugly Tom" coming out, once charged and convicted, public humiliation, and knee-capping, then putting them in with the general population in our penal system. What happens there is called street justice. Sorry if I have offended, but to me it would be a reasonable way to help protect the kids and women who are unable either physically or mentally to help themselves.

Are you surprised by the latest statistics? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/one-in-three-canadians-has-suffered-child-abuse-study-says/article18093004/ It is certainly a sadness and a cause for a lifetime of issues if it isn't addressed and treated. Many who've had troubles or committed crimes may be victims of child abuse. So should they then be excused or at the very least treated differently? Some go through their lives having suffered abuse and live normally without causing or having troubles. I don't think what we've experienced should ever be used as an excuse but perhaps a reason for. We are after all the end result of our upbringing/parenting, environment, circumstance, friends/mentors, economic standing . All these factors play into a persons mental health as an adult. However I think how we are parented is the most important and largest determinant as to how we develop as adults. Or is it simply about Newton's third law, every action has a reaction Your opinion?

Abuse happens way more than anyone wants to acknowledge. That's how most people deal with it, they turn a blind eye and ignore it. My dad was a highly respected member of the community. A councillor who had friends like the mayor, the chief of police, an MP, and he was on the committee that ran our church, and he was the director of the Sunday School for forty years. Nobody outside the family knew he was an alcoholic and a binge drinker, and was nothing but a jerk to us kids and a mean drunken bully to our mother. But NOBODY would have believed us if we had said anything. Or maybe everyone knew and chose to pretend it wasn't happening? Impossible to tell when you are a kid.

Thanks C.C. it is not an easy topic for anyone to openly share or speak on. I'm glad I could share my story & possibly help another male or female find the inner strength to speak up, get help or even to stop it & not allow things like that to happen...abuse is abuse...& it can happen in adulthood too. I hope I help at least one person move forward in life. I definitely did not have the greatest childhood...but I am kinda thankful for what I have gone through...because I dont think I would be where I am today & it has made me the the strong woman I am.

Jody, thank you so much for sharing your painful and truly personal story. It takes great strength to speak openly about something so hurtful and personal. In doing so you may have helped someone so be very proud and no one will ever judge you for being open and sharing, if they do, shame on them. Big hugs Jack:) No I didn't know that, thank you and if that's true, shame on him!

Thank you for sharing Jafo. I'm so very sorry for your past experiences but I'm in admiration for your strength and ability to share. Hugs to you.

I was raised by my biological mother and my biological father was not in the picture. I experienced child abuse (physical and psychological), sexual abuse, and witnessed domestic violence as a child. That stuff stays with you for ever. Maybe not on a concious level but it is always there in the subconcious mind. Even if you get help to deal with it. I got help when I was 15 and it helped for a few years. After leaving home at 15. I had a few good mentors to help steer me into adulthood. If it was not for them I do not know how I would have turned out. I am sure now that those early life experiences interfeared with my ability to have lasting meaningful relationships. I have always dealt with depression through out my entire adult life. A few years ago I was also diagnosed with adult Asperger's. About ten years ago I learned that I have a younger half sister and two older half brothers. (same biological mother). I thank god that they did not have to go through the things I did growing up.

Cristy, did you hear the Pope thinks gay adoption is child abuse ? Since when did the Catholic Church become experts on ch.... oh yeah right, nevermind. ;)

Really. For what you are receiving from one of these fine ladies you are concerned about your $10????? Would a $10 tip be too much on a $200 plus/less service? If you paid even $100 at a restuarant would you leave exact change? I can't believe this has even been asked. If you feel the need to pay the exact amount only then take the time to collect the exact amount. Hard not to be discouraged by the topic. Have a great day ladies.

Although we are all a product of our environment and life experience, especially in the formative years, many people transcend child abuse, poverty and a generally crappy start to life and become solid citizens. That is not to minimize in any way the sadness of those that seem to be permanently damaged by these horrible occurrences. It's the "Nature / Nurture" discussion that has been going on forever without a definitive conclusion. My heart goes out to anyone who experienced child abuse whether they were able to get beyond it or not.

It's always great to see newer members contribute to our community! Great job Lucky, keep them coming!

One of my neighbours stopped to talk to me today and asked many questions, lol. Do I live alone, where do I work, then she caught me off guard by telling me how sweet and pretty she thought I was. I was so touched and flattered and somewhat embarrassed. The first time in a while I was lost for words, lol. But it's always a highlight when someone pays a compliment.

Lulu lemon cropped pants, yup it's almost summer......somewhere!!

Feeling great today after a yucky Tuesday of headaches :)

Similarly, I usually end my business meetings with one last cup of my client's ass.

ginchuck2, I am also French but pronounce it CERB... lol Just like the French pronunciation for cercle, cercueil etc.... Right? lol And it's so much more CEXY to say CERB!! ;) lol

I pronounce it Serb.

....Ten year olds know when armpits stink...... I can't believe this happens....lol

What makes your pick up that phone and book a date?

Congrats Mr. Lucky :)

French and dry?

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Welcome to Cerb, it is a great place for information. Being nervous with an SP is perfectly normal, many a seasoned hobbiest still gets nervous. Take a look in the ads of the area that you are in, look at websites, pics, details of their ads and choose someone that you think you may be interested in. Follow their instructions of how they would like to be contacted, and ask them questions. This way you can find out if it is someone that you may be comfortable with, and any SP will make you feel at ease. Nervousness shows and SP's know that, and any good SP will make sure that you are comfortable in your decision. If it is your first time with an SP, ever, let them know that. It is a great experience when you really connect with someone, take your time, ask questions, and make a great choice. Happy hunting :)

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I beg to differ. CERB is an acronym. We say "serb", not "C.E.R.B.". My apologies for my inner nerd.

Paypal is a really bad option for sex workers. Not only are you not allowed to use Paypal for adult services, but they have been known to shut down sex workers' accounts and freeze the funds even if the account has never been used for work related payments and purchases. For SPs looking at payment options, this might be helpful: http://missfreudianslit.tumblr.com/post/73352410012/sex-work-approved-payment-options

Also, if you see someone as a part of yourself, how can you let them go with kindness, compassion, and respect, if they decide they need to leave the relationship? If my, I dunno, kidney decided to take off, I'd be like, "Fuck that, you're a part of me and you're not going anywhere." I don't care what plans it has, if it's a piece of me, I own it. If my partner decides to leave me, all I can do is express my sorrow and disappointment and respect their choice to leave.

Welcome to CERB. Read the reco's, the ladies' posts, profiles and websites and if you see a lady who interests you, contact her using her preferred method of contact. Here's a good start for you (I'm assuming since you posted in the Ottawa Discussion Forum) of Ottawa ladies http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=316 and the recommendations thread http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=125 Good Luck RG

After a little discussion, it seems the best route is through crimestoppers as it is anonymous and with a couple different comments, maybe something will get done. This sort of thing impacts us all directly and indirectly and I hate to see anyone being intimidated or threatened. Again, this is a choice but at least this option is anonymous. http://www.halifax.ca/police/crcp/crimestoppers.html Play safe gentlemen!

everywhere and anywhere

As I have so much empty space upstairs, it seems like a great place to have sex!!!! Otherwise, front lawn, back lawn, porch, neighbour's porch, kitchen, dining room, stairs going up, stairs going down, living room, family room, bedroom, shower stall, bath tub, on a trail, on a beach, hospital bed. Bottom line, EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!

I think that is what he is doing by asking this question.

I think a SC-brothel hybrid will get a lot of press, maybe too much. And might cause the powers-that-be to zone it out of the M/market, if they allow it at all (morality crusaders, etc.), regardless of legality.

I've been hanging in strip clubs for decades and I just love the way things are today, sure, I kinda miss the tan lines and "gatino girl" look of the eighties dancers, but today we have exotic girls from all around the world to admire. And a girl does not have to look like a '10' for me to be attracted to her, she may have charm, wit, style,intelligence and so on..... Who am I to complain anyways ? I have been treated like a KING in these places and done nothiing to deserve it. I'm so grateful to all the dancers and staff who've made my life so much happier all this time.

That's pretty decent of you tolerating ladies who have breast implants. I wonder what the ladies have to tolerate RG

Hmmm, kinda wondering how this thread got from opening a brothel and prostitution laws to personal body preferences.LOL

There's alot of garbage being layered onto certain sex workers in the industry. There's a dichotomy between the image of the put together worker, self-assured, autonomous, and in control...no mental health or self-esteem issues...acting as her own woman, strong as hell. And, then there's the worker with no business skills, not knowing her worth, with low self-esteem, willing to do God knows what with her body....drugged out, controlled by a pimp, and needing to be managed for her own good. Or, left to her own devices while the rest of "us" supposedly figure out what is 'truly' of benefit to our industry overall. And, then, there's statements being made about who has seen more of the 'exploited', 'messed-up', unfortunate 'ignorant' types', and how that allows one to make potentially more insightful judgement calls about the need to minimum pricing and regulatory measures....and the right to construct prostitute typologies I might add. The dichotomy (between the healthy, competent and knowing sex worker, and the screwed up, pimped druggie with no economic sense) and the prostitute typologizing are what I want to bite into here. And, I'll use personal narrative to illustrate some of these aspects, but keeping in mind the broader connections between our lives...that all of the pieces do not have to match up perfectly to provide insight....that personal stories can be applied in such a manner as to not blanket or overgeneralize a discussion, or over-personalize a debate to the point where discussion becomes impossible. These are the things I have in mind as I share. I started in this industry at 17 years old. The choices, as I experienced them, were tough and few and I was highly motivated to get out of poverty and an abusive living environment, which was obviously distressing. Within a year I found a decent agency manager to work for. I had very little business knowledge to start with: what to charge?, what was a fair cut to give to a manager?, what services to provide?, what services was I comfortable with providing?....how might my financial needs and motivations, my life immediate circumstances, trump some of these considerations over others? ...and, believe me, sometimes I have made choices that have left me feeling like shit....sometimes the choices didn't feel like fair choices....sometimes, I was layering on self-judgement that didn't need to be there about the choices...hmmm, I wonder where all of that judgement comes from? My earlier years in the industry allowed me to observe my manager and all of the tasks she carried out to run a business, many of which I was too busy to want to do myself, some of which I lacked the social and economic capital and personal organization to do, and others aspects I just needed time to think on if ever I wanted to become an independent (screening clients etc.). I experienced the work as exhausting, frustrating and stigmatizing at times, but also as stimulating and fun (always meeting new people, sharing stories, learning about the psychology of sex), and flexible in terms of how portable the work is, and being able to make larger amounts of money in shorter periods of time. In a relatively small Northern Ontario community, I gave a third of every hourly fee I made to my manager. At the time, the going rate for a bustling and established escort agency was $150 an hour. After I paid my agency fee, and my taxi fare (it was all outcall based), and based on the example of a one hour date, my take away without any other expenses considered (condoms, clothing, grooming etc.) was about $80. This is considerably less than I command now as someone who works independently, in another region, and a decade later. But, I was more than ok with those terms...accepted them and they worked just fine for me, and were highly preferable relative to the other work that was available to me at the time. Thinking back to that situation, if I could have finagled low overhead and the right incall setup, I could have charged $80 an hour and made out just as well or better (think no travel time to appointments), but goodness knows then I would have been labeled by others in the industry as a 'low end' ignoramus. Interesting. Long story short, sex work arose as a highly constrained AND also an ideal and flexible economic option for me. It took time, opportunities to connect with other workers, and reading related literature (not easy to find at the time) for me to begin to make sense of things....to carve out various options for myself, to politicize what it means to be a sex worker, and to challenge my own internalized assumptions about 'whores', while also challenging dominant social ideas about sex workers, both demonizing and infantilizing. The learning curve has been steep and complex. And, my life options, my formal education, my business savvy, my self-awareness, and my sexual development have evolved. Having made a foray back into the industry several months ago (after a long pause away, but still engaging in related activism all the while), I find myself in a different phase as a sexual labourer. I work for myself, set my own rates, and screen my own clients, and, over time, I've had more opportunities to become a part of the sex working community, to fight for our rights, and to benefit from the rich relationships it holds I also take time to remember the whole journey, the teenager that was me, and I have had moments where I've been struck by her ingenuity. Whatever I lacked in business or economic smarts, I made up for in volumes with the savvy that can only come with street smarts...off the cuff, quick thinking, and tremendous resourcefulness. Few people would take the time to fascinate over the narrative of socially and economically marginalized woman if she is working for pennies at the local Tim Horton's....with a Manager on her all the time like a fire breathing dragon...thankless customers, running her ass off, barely covering the rent, leaving little or no time for her to pursue, or dream about other life options. And, few would make so many qualifying remarks if she struggled in her sense of self, maybe even struggling with depression, or an intimate partner who abuses her physically, financially. Why? Because we gloss over that kind of marginalization: cuz she's working for the man, towing the line of normalcy....her purported "dysfunction" is a familiar, benign kind. [And, yes, I am gesturing at the role of internalized whore stigma in this thread masquerading as disinterested concern and professional rhetoric over industry standards.] So, why is it acceptable to make all kinds of qualifying remarks about sex workers who may charge less than others?....who may be following a business model that makes sense for them?...who may be working for a manager who takes a cut, maybe even an unfair cut of their earnings?...who may struggle in his or her sense of self. What about the role of decrim?...about upholding the legal rights of sex workers to switch managers or leave the industry without fear of retribution (providing legal recourse and a climate of social support for him/her to do so)....just one of a number of examples where we can make changes without fixating on the pathology of individual choice, or lack thereof. What about we make space for the understanding that there will always be sex workers who will never fit into the mould of the happy, healthy hooker, and to count these members of our community in as equally insightful and valuable. It's not too hard, considering that some of the biggest leaders in the sex workers rights movement are people who have been street involved, who are or who have been drug users, and, yes, trauma survivors. A number of these people, all women, are some of my closest friends and confidants. We do not all identity with the same struggles, with the same privileges and oppressions, or industry experiences, but we see each other as equals and colleagues nonetheless. It's also been mentioned that there are workers who really aren't wanting to do the work but have few other options. Let's fight for those increased options....while also recognizing that there are plenty of folks in the mainstream workforce who hate their shitty jobs, don't know how else they will pay their bills, and can't seem to get their foot in the door what with all of the nepotism out there. Let's advocate for their increased options too eh? When we dichotomize and qualify sex worker identity in the manner I've seen happen in this thread, there is tremendous erasure that occurs; erasure of the parts of ourselves, our private moments which are deemed unsavory, shameful, desperate; erasure of the ongoing vulnerabilities we experience in the industry(, because regardless of what we charge or where we work, we all experience a level of vulnerability); and erasure of the contributions of fellow sex workers who have and continue to fight for our rights. I love being a sex worker, and I see the work as skilled and honorable work (as my vocation), yet, sometimes, I still am left feeling like shit...sometimes I feel confused. I carry all of my life history with me, beautiful and ugly. But, hey, don't we all? Isn't this ok? What happens when, for some of us, it is not ok? ...what then is the role of totalizing statements about certain people's lives, their work?....does it not function as a mechanism for distancing?...for asserting a sense of personal entitlement and relative legitimacy? what happens when we resemble a stereotype?....what happens when we face the pain of resembling a stereotype? ...what happens to us when the person who resembles the stereotypes is held in our minds eye as a respected colleague?. Hmmm, what then?

we either make ourselves miserable or we make ourselves strong . the amount of work is the same . knowledge is having the right answer . intelligence is asking the right question . love me with no expectations , and I will love you with no limitations . people are lessons , hearts are idiots , solitude is art , music is air , time is a doctor , religion is way , self is soul , life is rock'n'roll

I agree with Ann Gallerie on this, PayPal utilizes user fees plus a transaction fee, therefore 1) a reason I don't use it, and 2) PayPal won't let anyone use their services if it is adult based (such as this). I took the time to set up an actual merchant account, and I have a 'register terminal' directly on my phone, just like restaurants that have mobile transaction machines. I can swipe your card directly on my phone, and you sign directly on my phone screen. I do prefer to use this method for booking to take deposits, but I can also take debit cards, and there is always the trusted interac services which are highly popular. Having a gentleman utilize this booking method ensures his time is committed to by me, and that he is dedicated to actually showing up. We all know there are some unscrupulous ones out there that love to 'book' and don't show. I find this a great way to offer more choice to gentlemen, yes there is a paper trail, just like any other transactions, but there are ways to remedy this. My transactions are set up with sku codes and detailed information that makes sense if an SO happens to check the CC bills. If a gentleman is unsure if he wants to use a CC, I offer debit, interac transfer, but there is always the great standby of cash. I do pay a small fee for having this convenience, but to me it's worth it. I also pay taxes on all the income, but I do get advantages from that also. The choice is always up to the gentleman, but having the ability to give a choice of method of payment to him is awesome.

Pm me if you like but in saying that you need not. Katherine or Midnight Massage offer off the chart massages if thats all you want but then again theres much more fun you can have with both. They both re on Cerb.

Interesting, why would people not be clean ? I mean I'm a clean freak and would never be able to do anything with someone that is not clean.

I agree with you 100% Castle, great show that is very well done but in the wrong place being on network TV (NBC). If it does get dropped because of ratings I'm also hoping that it will get picked up by one of the cable networks like HBO or FX. This show has been a treat to watch so far.....and keeps getting better and better. If you haven't seen this one yet people do yourselves a favour and check it out. It's presently about halfway through season 2.

First let me say I love a long passionate hug and kiss at the door before I leave... u want to gave that feeling that neither if us want to separate. That said I have had many wonderful sessions which have not ended with us hugging at the door... i recall one amazing session where I left with the lady lying naked on the bed partially covered by a sheet looking totally amazing and exhausted... i loved the idea that our fun had left her spent... we did kiss and hug at the bed and she made me feel like she hated I was leaving. Bottom line I want to feel like she would love me to stay and can't wait till I return. If I feel like that... i will be back. On a few rare occasions I have met ladies who are walking to the door almost as soon as we cum.... it a quick hug and bye... even great sex will not get me to repeat if I feel like a transaction I want the connection.

Yes majority of gents do, that's why I made it a point to thank all of my friends in my previous post. And yes these threads may be brought up quite a bit , and yes the comments can be repetitive, but they are all valid points. And to be totally honest, I really do think that if it were you on the receiving end, and did what we do for a living, the repetitive remarks and frequent threads would be welcoming. :) :) :) Happy Friday Pistol Pete ! Wishing you a fab long weekend ;)