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IF YOU CAN NOT GET THIS MESSAGE TO GO AWAY AFTER READING PLEASE READ THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST. ****************************************** PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE CENSORED WORDS! ****************************************** I am sure by now many of you have noticed a number of words have been added to the censor list. I know it makes the site very hard to read but instead of jumping ship and moving to another country like other adult boards are doing we have decided to instead conform to the new laws. This means 1) No one can ADVERTISE that they offer prostitution related EXTRAS if you offer this off the site that is find as long as you do not LINK to a site offering such things or offer them here. To conform to the new laws we can not to allow you to ADVERTISE such things here on cerb or advertise a website or blog or ad somewhere else that offers such things. If we find you are linking to a website from cerb that offers such things we will need to BAN your site from linking from cerb. Since people will ignore the law and try to post ads offering such things on cerb we had had to add certain keywords to the censor to ensure no one posts ILLEGAL things. Unfortunately this takes away from the discussion area. Now it is NOT illegal to discuss prostitution or related ACTS but I am not sure how the law will see it if someone is posting that they are a ESCORT (Not offering any PROSTITUTION related extras) and some guy posts saying "Oh, She did such and such with me!" (Guys like to brag when they get something extra that was not advertised....) 2) People may start to try to CIRCUMVENT these words. This will get you SUSPENDED or BANNED as you could put the website in jeopardy. Anyone seeing anyone trying to be creative (offering to do stuff like "squeeze the juice from a hot dog", "Suc the icing off a rooster" or "go in and out of grease for extended vacation" .... you get the point! Please REPORT THIS and DO NOT QUOTE IT! If you reply to it with a quote and do not report it you may also get a warning. 3) Some words are standard words such as O U T C A L L and S E R V I C E and these had to be censored as well as they could be taken the WRONG way and we are being EXTRA VIGILANT at this time to ensure cerb stays within the boundaries of this new law. 4) Use your .... people, don't brag about extra things that may or may not have happened when in private with someone. Just share that you have a nice time, you will see her again and focus on the nice things. More to come but I am asking for help with CENSOR words as well. Please report any ADVERTISEMENT posts that HINT or BLATANTLY SAY they offer PROSTITUTION RELATED EXTRAS so we can ADD to the CENSORS and protect the site. IF YOU CAN NOT MAKE THIS MESSAGE GO AWAY.... Your browser settings are probably not accepting cookies. Switch to another web browser or change your settings and see if it helps. A INCOGNITO browser will probably also cause this issue as well.

It is not fear mongering and it is not us (cerb, the owners, the mods) who made these laws!!! Cerb has always been on the good side of the law and we will remain that way. It keeps our members safe, the owners safe, the mods safe and the advertisers safe. I am just warning people of what is to come here on cerb not everywhere else! Have i ever been concerned what others are doing? No! We run cerb different the other sites, We will conform to the new laws to keep this site running and we will ride this out and protect ourselves, and our members. lots of people are voicing opinions that we should keep cerb running the same, refuse to conform, move the business to another country, etc,etc,.. If you feel so strongly about not censoring and breaking the laws then i suggest you either purchase a copy of vbulletin (the software that runs cerb) and start your own discussion site and run all the illegal ads and open uncensored posts you want.. Or hell make the owners of cerb an offer to purchase cerb, maybe they would sell it. I would have to resign however as i do not wish to go to court for breaking this new law. Just for the record...As far as i know cerb it is not for sale but with the new laws i am sure that would consider an offer, i sure would. So, with that said does anyone have the guts (or stupidity) to go against the law? Put your money and your criminal record where your mouth is and lets see what happens. If not then help us stay a float and stop fighting me and fight your government who did this to us! Lets see if your all talk or your willing to take the chance and get charged under the new law. I personally would like to keep the site going and conform to the laws.

Appreciation has been expressed to Mod (and owners) for all the headaches they must be going through adjusting CERB to be compatible with this new draconian legislation But to the ladies we adore, they too are having to make similar changes to their websites. Changes which are time consuming and except for this draconian law, absolutely needless. I think all the ladies are also due a BIG THANK YOU for the time and trouble they are also going through, changing their websites etc. So to all the ladies, your efforts do not go unnoticed and are appreciated Thank You A rambling RG

Good morning my Friends, Enemies, Countrymen I entered this land of Cerb in 2010, longer than some, but not as long as others. Through this time I have made some great Friends, wonderful relationships and fun / sassy encounters that I have fully enjoyed. If you are reading this, I am assuming you have previously read the ones on getting cancer (the fu....oops sorry mod, the bastard) and the ups and down, trials and tribulations (sounds like my sex life!!) over the past couple of years. Well the end is nigh. The objective is to be around for Super Bowl, to know what that is and not think it is a luxury, Japanese toilet. Although the surgery to the shoulder removed a good chunk of cancer cells from the bone and muscle, it ended up travelling to the cortex and continues to grab onto chunks of the brain (what little brain there is!). The chemo treatments, especially the experimental ones helped to delay, sometimes shrink the bastard but it still crept along. Memory has become a huge issue with holes as big as Ottawa's sink holes in the expressway, the gps has become my day to day companion when driving, starting to need one when walking! Thinking of wearing a sign around my neck along with my mittens with strings, that points to my house, or a bar that serves great single malt scotch. You know you are on the way out when the docs are arranging your next treatment when they say, "we will fit you in when convenient", not sure who it is convenient for...... Squirrel!!! sorry I wandered off for a bit Anyway, back to the Ladies of Cerb. Whether a MA or .., as previously stated, I have been lucky enough to enjoy a friendship and a kinship with and I am ever grateful. I love the banter, silliness, the heart to heart discussions some of us have had. The hugs, kisses and spanks (obviously mod, the spanks were for my birthday!) were always a treat. I have started to say good bye to a few of you that have been very special to me. Some in person, some by email or pm. I am sure I will miss some with this .... full of swiss cheese. But to all of you, thank you for being who you are! Stay true and safe. To my male colleagues, thank you for all the support. It is greatly appreciated. Over the next couple of weeks, I will get out when / while I can to grab a quick coffee with some of you to give you a hug! If you are aware of and still keep in contact with Ladies who have either retired or are no longer using Cerb (gasp) and you know that they were intimate with me, please let them know, I would appreciate that. I will endeavour to go A - Z to update recommendations as long as I can. I had a discussion with my brother, and he will let you know through a post probably signed on as theliquor (he will have access to my computer and password for Cerb) that I have "moved on, up or down!". He will sign off as "the liquor's brother" When that happens, I have arranged to be buried in those lovely golf pants, matching pink shirt and my pink and white golf shoes, a bottle of Glenmorange 25 and my 1 iron. Have already paid for the wake, admission will be a shot of single malt and the shot glass each one drinks from to be put in the casket with me. What the hell, might as well make the "6" work extra hard with the extra weight! Once you find out, please grab a bottle of single malt scotch, raise a glass to when we meet again on the other side. Kindly, your friend TheLiquor Tom

The censor system lets me tweak some stuff but the problem is the more strict I make it the easier it is to circumvent. I adjusted l i c k and p s e so you can type collapse and upset and click but this means someone can do stuff like GFEPSELICK and circumvent the censor so if you see something like this please report it.

Spent the last few days reconnecting with a few friends from CERB... on here, Twitter, FB, phone and text. There aren't enough superlatives to express my gratitude... love my peeps!

Tom... Goodbyes are sad.... but... being able to say goodbye is the only downfall of having said hello in the first place. Your "hello" to many of us happened here, or in socials, or in a far more intimate setting with those you have come to appreciate. I would rather not have to say goodbye my friend... but I will never regret saying hello. Peace to you my friend. Paul

I have no idea where this site is hosted but I agree in principle to your suggestion that access to the data on the site would be more difficult for Law Enforcement if the site was hosted on servers outside of Canada. That said however I would have to add that I consider my "safety" on this site or any site to be totally within my own control if I take care to respect the laws and not communicate about the purchase of sex then I should not be at any risk. This does not mean I cannot continue to speak openly on this site or others about all the legal and fun times I have had with ladies who are in the business of selling companionship time to clients. I am surprised to continue to hear about the idea of people selling sex...I was under the impression that our government had recently passed a law that made that practice illegal so of course it must have stopped... you know like the way Putin in Russia and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran eliminated homosexuality by making it illegal. Yep... I am so proud of our leader Stephen Harper for aligning himself with such stalwart defenders of human rights... makes me proud to be a Canadian. Now if you will excuse me for a minute i need to go vomit in disgust. Just my Opinion

Short version: you can't advertize the exchange of any kind of sex for money. Advertizing will therefore have to focus on what a fantastic person you are, rather than the specific things you'll do with people. There are other rules too, but those have been around for a long time, are in the FAQ, and haven't changed.

You know... we will all adapt and by this time next year no one will even notice any .... dots cause we will iron out the laws and everyone will change to accommodate the laws. Unfortunlay the system does not have the ability to censor NEW posts and not OLD ones so right now all the old posts have been automatically censored. It sucks and yes I am being over-aggressive right now in the words and abbreviations just cause I want cerb to comply with the laws so we can keep the site alive without having to relocate the company it to another country..

I'll chime in with my two cents here...maybe not even worth that. I've noticed some complaints about how CERB is dealing with the new laws but nothing about CERBies against one another...but maybe I'm blind LOL First CERB (Mod & Owners) are trying to navigate the legal minefield brought about by MacKay's Draconian legislation...bolded because lets remember who the enemy is here. With that said, we, each other aren't the enemy...it's that cpc moral minority that is the enemy Two There is going to be a bit of a learning curve for everyone, better to learn than fight. Three the adjustments CERB just made is so this community can continue Four if there are some who are baiting others (not saying this is being done) something to remember. CERB metaphorically speaking isn't a lifeboat that can hold 10 survivors and there are 18 in the water, so 8 need to go...the lifeboats don't need to be deployed because the good ship CERB hasn't sunk...hope that metaphor makes sense Finally, again remember the cpc is the enemy, one I'm going to remember at election time. But this community shouldn't get divided amongst each other because of the cpc That is if I read this thread right Time for a bike ride, then a coffee RG

I'll like to find out what how you define Connection between two people and the Chemistry between two people? Or are they the same. I've had many great encounters and have in contact with many of the women that I have met. With some I have felt a personal bond and friendship for some reason? I think this is what I defined as Connection? And with other women, there is instant attraction and both physical and emotional. It just feels natural and comfortable to be with each other right away, with no shyness or first meeting jitters. It just feels right. After 4 years of now of being on here on Cerb and starting off slowly in meeting women. As I was a shy man. I guess confidence comes with more experience. Now I can meet new women and find that I can now easily chat and entertain women and they seem to enjoy meeting me also. I've managed to make many friendships and have gotten close with several of the women I have met. Is this connection or chemistry? What is your definition and are they different or the same. What were your first experience where you met someone new and had a instant connection or chemistry? I'm interested in hearing your opinions and stories?

Honestly, I have no idea. Anyone looking to advertize anything out-of-the-ordinary is going to find it tough to reach her target market with the new rules. Perhaps other advertizing venues will be happy to push the rules further, and places like Twitter probably don't care at all...

Thanks Mod! You are doing a helluva job in this really crappy time! Kudos!

I've been to 1360 a few times now. Keep thinking that i'll book with someone different but I just enjoy seeing Leanne so much that I haven't been able to ask for anyone else. She is such a sweetheart and every time is better so for now i'll stay with the tried and true ;-) In fact if I wasn't a few years older than her I would ask if she would go for a drink on her own time. If you are making the trip I highly recommend Leanne.

I do agree, let's stay in the boundaries of the law and t keep this site alive. It is the best place to find safe heaven for the industry

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/national/Maher+Jason+Kenney+could+prime+minister+before+next+election/10382419/story.html Doesn't matter to me, there is no good CPC PM RG

Ladies can not get charged for PLACING prostitution ads but third parties can so no one can allow ads for prostitution so the law effectively means your allowed to advertise but it is illegal for anyone who allows you to do it. If your link from cerb (Banner or signature or profile or anywhere on cerb) links to a personal website where you offer prostitution extras this would be illegal as well so UPDATE your sites!! if not your site will be banned from cerb. THE LAW PASSED - THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO UPDATE!! it is in a 30 day grace period to give everyone time to conform to the new law. We are giving the ladies a few weeks to update websites but if they are NOT UPDATED shortly they will be placed on the BANNED SITES list and censored off the site. Members will be asked to let us know if any sites linking from cerb advertise prostitution extras those sites will actively be removed. Again... I did not make the new laws! People are getting mad at me cause of the censors and the new rules. Deal with it people! Next time a vote comes about don't vote conservative cause it's your majority conservative government who did this to you all!

Yay!, got my ticket reserved, can't wait to see all the familiar faces and new ones as well :-)..Partaaaayyyyy! :-)

The site is already outside of Canada But it is owned and operated in Canada Simple, do you think Mod and other CERB/EC employees should leave Canada and operate CERB outside of Canada so you aren't disappointed assuming they can get a work visa The simplest thing they could do is shut it all down. But at least Mod and everyone, they are trying to find a solution and keep CERB going RG

It'll take a bit of time for CERB to iron out the kinks because of Harper's/MacKay's brave new world. None of us like it but I guess it's better than this community shutting down I think a big thank you is due to the Mod for his hard work keeping this community going while dodging the minefield from this legislation Just remember all this bs when we go to the polls next federal election A rambling RG

I just read this, as I just posted my ad for massage & entertainment. Now in this ad, I said " Kneading and squeezing the stress you hold with in" Is this along the lines of a No-No? Do I need to edit this?

No, it is because the laws are changing this month ... You should read the threads on that. The site has to now censor anything related to prostitution, this is a transition period for us all. We are adapting.

I had the occasion to visit several wonderful ladies over the last few weeks while visiting Winnipeg. Life can be damn good sometimes. I openly admit my bias that I truly love the female body. :) I generally won't comment on looks as it's subjective, and most ladies have detailed pictures in their link. Angelina, Felina, and Zoe were researched through CERB and/or their websites. The others were through BP. In alphabetical order... Angelina Develin - http://www.angelinadevelin.com. Wow. What an amazing woman. Sexy as hell. A truly unique, relaxing, and ero tic experience. Totally un rushed, her bath experience is above and beyond ........ Professional level massage, and an unbelievable time afterwards. She's great to talk to, and top of the line skills. If you need to de-stress, Angelina is by far the place to go. I'd see her again, and again, and again if I could. Pictures on her website are accurate. She also has an ad on EC that has significantly more pictures. Three thumbs up. Chrissy - http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/smoking-0t-downtown-hotle-amazingskills-call-me-1-204-930-3723/2269894 Pictures are very accurate. Was good arriving on schedule. PM for any more details. Daisy - http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/they-stole-my-picsthe-real-daisy-is-here-call-me-now-204-290-8318/1877511 I'm officially going to hell, she looks almost exactly like the daughter of one of my best friends. Very, very beautiful young lady who looks exactly like her pictures. Very elegant. Was late for appointment, but called to let me know so it's all good. Very, very limited men u. Very good at what she does, but I felt she treated the time as a job rather than a joy, if that makes sense. I did quite enjoy my time with her though. As an aside, she mentioned she was considering leaving the business. I asked if it was because of bill 36, she was unaware what that was. Haylay - http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/haylay-22-years-old-new-gurl-204-952-1386/2270380 Pictures are accurate. Cute face. Reasonably on time. Very accommodating, in general. Oddly, no dog gy as it's the one position she didn't like. If you like her pictures, you'll probably enjoy yourself. Seems like a nice young lady. PM for an additional detail or two if you'd like. Felina (regular session) - http://www.sweetcaramelo.com My first real exposure (ha! see what I did there?) to provid ers, and she was wonderful. Patient, and tender. I describe it as this; imagine you've run in to a former girlfriend 10 years later, and the two of you hit it off again. Simply outstanding woman. She has a lot of excellent reviews, and I agree with them. Of all the ladies, best mouth talent (silly censors). On time, extremely accommodating, and a great lady. Would repeat weekly if I could. My opinion is that she is considerably more attractive than her pictures on the site. One note, for whatever reason, I had pictured her with a Mexican accent (think Salma Hayek) but she speaks flawless "Canadian". Felina (kink session) - I reviewed in another thread. Summation: Go. Go now. Krystal - http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tail-a-romp-a-day-keeps-stress-very-far-away/2021249 Pictures are extremely accurate. If you like what you see, you'll have a great time. Of the girls I contacted on BP, she was by far the most enthusiastic, vocal, and accommodating (literally, probably more than the others combined). I totally get she was likely pretending, but she legitimately gave the impression she was hor ny for me. She seems like a good person, we had a good talk before and after. Not a clock watcher at all, arrived on time. If I had to sum her up in a word, "enthusiastic" would be it. Probably more than the other BP lady, I quite enjoyed my time with her. Full disclosure: my usual partner is shortish, stout, and full chested. Krystal is tall, thin, and very small chested. I quite enjoyed the contrast. Layla Moore - http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/beautiful-caramel-treat-xo/2139195 Didn't actually get to see her, but she told me up front when I called that she wasn't feeling up to meting with people that day. Full props for honesty and not stringing me along. Stacy - http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/stacy-petit-french-girl/2274689 PM me for details. Zoe - http://www.escorts-canada.com/......../Winnipeg-MB/4585.html#provider4585 Zoe was very accommodating, willing to switch things up as we went along. On time, very enthusiastic. Photos are accurate. Extremely friendly, great to talk to before and after. A lot of fun, clearly wanting to provide the best time possible. So there you go... I leave Winnipeg a little bit poorer, but a lot of bit happier. My sincere thanks to all the above ladies. You won't soon be forgotten. Anyone can feel free to PM for more information as required, I'll likely continue to check the forums for a bit more time.

Reading the thread "Best way to say no" to a stripper got me thinking about my recent trip to Ottawa. During my trip I visited the strip clubs 4 times, twice I went with co-workers, and twice I found myself killing time so I went alone. During these 4 visits I/we got varied responses from the girls. We got the girls who we weren't interested in and had to polietly send them away, we had some girls come over that we were happy to see so we spent some money on dances, but the most frustrating part was when you see a beautiful girl that you would love to get a dance from but you can't seem to get her to notice you. I am not a fan of simply walking over and bluntly asking for a dance. If you do that the girl will say yes but it's straight to the back room, she dances a couple songs and it's all over with barely a word said between you. I personally prefer a little bit of conversation maybe a little flirting before heading into the back, it just makes the expierence more pleasureable. So I ask, How do you get noticed by strippers in the club?

I think what is being said here is that you can have a site, as long as you don't advertise exchange of specific activities for money. You are allowed to advertise as an escort, which in essence is a simply a paid companion. Nothing more. Anything else that may or may not take place between 2 consenting adults should not be mentioned on your site if you wish to link it here. (At least that is my understanding) Your site should mention companionship only.

Some threads to read http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198629 http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=645317#post645317 http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=645912#post645912 http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181850 There's a little light reading for you RG

Second that Thanks Mod from another appreciative CERBite RG

Hello there I hope you have all had a great time outside in the beautiful snow this morning! I will be available downtown today at a private upscale location in downtown Ottawa. I offer massage and escorting. I am blonde and petite with a very fit figure and dark eyes. I love to take my time and ensure you an unrushed, memorable experience that leaves you coming back for more! Please no blocked calls 613-315-7649

As rubintugger said, you should avoid someone that advertise 24/7. and post available until 1am-2am etc maybe ask her a day or two in advance if she would be willing to book with you at xtime. I don't know in Winnipeg, but in Toronto there are a few agencies that stay open till 4am and some are on shifts from 10pm-4am for example. Which they are most likely to be less tired than someone that does a 12 hours shift If you are looking for 5am...look for those that advertise early in the morning :)

Hello Gentlemen, I will be visiting Halifax November 22-23. Its my first time in Halifax and I am looking forward to spending some time with you, can you be my first appointment? I am beautiful, busty and curvy and very open minded. All my pics are 100% me, please take the time to visit my website so you can make an informed decision on how we should spend our time. http://www.alextriggsxo.escorts.biz I value our time together and I promise it will leave you breathless and wanting more. My kind, sexy, luring eyes will put you at ease the moment we meet. I also enjoy entertaining couples so don't be shy to enquire. Pm me so we can start planning our journey together. In-call or out Alex xo

Great Question. I have met people here on Cerb that I consider real friends as well. For example in Ottawa and a few cities I tour into I am fortunate enough to have an offer to be picked up at the airport and I never feel stuck in any city I frequent . If I were in real need I have friends I can contact. That is a gift I treasure. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for being there. One other thing I really appreciate prior to a first date is a proper letter of introduction. I enjoy getting to know people to the level they are comfortable. I am a talker and love visiting so when I get that nice first letter I know its going to go well and I really look forward to opening my door to that person. For me connection is first and that means getting to know each other, I find chemistry naturally follows that.

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Take off my clothes and let's have a wild & fun time, tonight at CMJ West ;) Hello Gentlemen! My name is Lynzee. I'm a outgoing redhead who loves meeting new people! I've been told I'm a perfect combination of ....... and nice! I've got a petite frame with curves in all of the right places. With perky 34B's and soft, porcelain skin, my bodyslides will excite you for the end result. THIS WEEKEND'S SCHEDULE: Saturday: 4pm - 10pm @ CMJ WEST Sunday: 10am - 10pm @ CMJ EAST I OFFER: *Sexy showers* *....... massage* *Reverse Massage* *Bodyslides* *...* (pm for info) *Kink/Fetish* (pm for info) *Duos* (pm to see who else is on shift!) NON-RUSHED ;) Don't be shy to message me about being my special guest! I don't bite, unless that's what you're into

I decided not to follow my own advice, and booked a session with Crystal. It seemed obvious to me from the pic in her original ad that she is a BBW, and that is definitely the case - she is indeed quite large. She worked at EB in the past, but I don't know exactly when. She is renovating the place, so there was quite a lot of clutter. However, she was very pleasant, so I decided to stay. She led me upstairs to one of two rooms she has set up with massage tables. The massage itself was well done and ended happily. I was not short changed at all on time. She was very patient and accommodating. I agree with Hemsky that South Pointe is a superior facility, however Crystal's place is a work in progress and will likely improve over time. Whether it ever matches Shu's place, only time will tell. I suggested a couple of improvements to Crystal, and I believe she will implement them, since she seems serious about developing a regular clientele.

The silent one has returned. Folks, let's make this simple. There is absolutely NO point in making a censored words list that is available to the general audience. Besides, if you use the "preview post" function, you will know what you can't say. (Thus the substitution of the words "business operator.") We are all adults. We all know what double entendre is about. Unfortunately, so does the powers that be. You don't discuss any SPECIFIC activity in regard to actions between a client and a business operator. A recommendation? "I had a lovely evening with Madame X. She looked fantastic and we enjoyed our time together immensely. I look forward to future meetings." Pretty frickin' simple. The general discussion area will be a minefield for the time being BUT it will get better. Again, avoid using specifics in regard to the business. There is all sorts of sexy talk that can be had - it's conducted on all sorts of venues, not just escort sites. PMs? Use your brains people. That is the kind of stuff that CAN BE subpoenaed for disclosure. Communication for the purposes of prostitution is what everyone needs to avoid. PMs are to arrange meetings. NO DISCUSSION OF ACTIVITY. Websites. Everyone is guilty of being lazy and asking questions that probably are answered on a business operator's site. Go to the site. READ THE FAQs. Don't ask questions that could get either or both of you in trouble. Text Messaging. See the rules for PMs. Same thing. Bottom line... if you don't like the rules, you don't have to stay. CERB is a community that has to operate above board. If you don't like the rules, pack your bags and find a site that suits your sense of danger. Now... back to being an enigma.....

You can advertise but no one is legally permitted to carry those advertisements including (so I have read) websites. This is why many Canadian sites are changing. Many people are hosting their websites and advertising offshore so they can say what they want however the flip side is that with the increased risk to clients, they will be more suspicious of those saying they provide sexual ......... This law is vague and written in a way that can trip people up easily not to mention the ability of judges and LE to read what they want into it.

Just for fun tried on a old pair of jeans, even a size smaller than a pair I bought a couple weeks ago...they fit!!! :-) :-) :-) I seem to be losing it around my waist, not my belly though :-( But going smaller is better :-) RG

Young man, be aware of these four good-hearted friends: the helper, the friend who endures in good times and bad, the mentor, and the compassionate friend. The helper can be identified by four things: by protecting you when you are vulnerable, and likewise your wealth, being a refuge when you are afraid, and in various tasks providing double what is requested. The enduring friend can be identified by four things: by telling you secrets, guarding your own secrets closely, not abandoning you in misfortune, and even dying for you. The mentor can be identified by four things: by restraining you from wrongdoing, guiding you towards good actions, telling you what you ought to know, and showing you the path to samsaric heavens. The compassionate friend can be identified by four things: by not rejoicing in your misfortune, delighting in your good fortune, preventing others from speaking ill of you, and encouraging others who praise your good qualities. - Taken from the Sigalovada Sutta

I am also looking for this type of fetish Please Any ladies that would offer this in combination with a bondage environment including some strapon play please PM me thanks

I do think you need to have a bit of a special relationship, at least that is what I found. Maybe tough on the first visit. But then again, really depends on the comfort level of the lady. If she is willing to do BBBJCIM, snowballing isn't much beyond that. And if you kiss after BBBJCIM, you might get a little cum anyway. Not sure why this was thought to be unsafe, beyond BBBJCIM. Seems pretty obvious.

Also a new user to this site, and I appreciate the information that is posted.

LMFAO, I love it and I agree, pancakes, maple syrup(the real stuff) and bacon are good anytime and almost anywhere.

CMJ is totally right, massage industry is not what It used to be, everyday full service spas come into the business and all the magic of the sensual massage goes to other level. I think solution is for those spas to become agencies, and stop calling themselves massage parlors.

Opinion of a guy - what Erin and cmj are posting is the way things always have been and will be unfortunately. But it really is a parallel to life outside the massage service world. Guys that are rude , creepy and gross that don't know how to treat women in the 9-5 world never get laid or have a happy partner either. A key word is respect too. If guys would figure out that the girls workings as MAs don't look at a dude and say..oh I want him sticking his fingers in me right now. Ha. You pay for fantasy but these girls are real people too. Treat them like the beautiful hard working ladies they are. They have to protect their hygiene and bodies too as it is their livelihood and they need a comfort factor. Erin and cmj keep up the high standards as I have personal experience with both. When I'm done a session I know I feel fantastic and the girl feels she met a decent , clean guy that made her day better not worse. That's my two cents... jerks like that and others I think MAs should just give me a swift kick in the balls. What will they do...go home and tell their wives.

The previous replies - and in particular the thread Robyn linked to - are pretty good on who offers it. On the comparison... nuru is very slick, and really lends itself to bodyslides and things of that nature. If you're looking to get the knots worked out of your back, a nuru session probably isn't the way to go. If you want to have a lot of fun while someone rubs various bits of you with various bits of her, I'd definitely recommend it.

That's not a service MAs offer - and even if they did we wouldn't be able to talk about it here 'cos it's illegal. But we have plenty of SPs who do - have a look through the SP ads and I'm sure you'll find someone...

This is informative. I have something to add though. I have seen maybe 5 SP's. Only a couple of them directed me towards the washroom to prepare myself. To all the SP's out there I think insisting a quick scrub is a must. If the guys are not classy enough to obey then they do not belong in your company.

i enjoy this thread , very informative for a newby such as myself . about the bacon sandwhiches , do i need to bring the ingrediants ? does anyone perfer peameal bacon ? does frying bacon in the nude count as a fetish ? lol , thanks again