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To each their own. We should all focus on what works for each of us individually. Variety, after all, is the spice of life! :)

Hi, this is my 3rd year on Cerb, 1st year was mostly lurking and reading the various post and threads and getting to know the SP's/MA's and gentlemen on the board thru their postings. It was almost a year before I took the plunge to meet my 1st SP. She was a kind young woman that gave a great first experience and second experience. I met my second SP in the following year, and she was a great experience and I have seen many times since, and we have become good friends. After that I had my first GFE Massage and it was great which then lead to many more GFE Massages, Now in my third year of hobbying, I have started to meet many more Cerb women and each experience seems to get better and better. I even had my first duo last week :). It was exceptional :) This is a summary of what I've learnt from being on Cerb and my experiences with Cerb women :). What I've learnt from the Cerb Community: - it is a community of caring Men and Women. - it is a source of useful information - is a source of recommended women that have had proven reputations. - it is a place where information can be asked and answered - it is a social community where members have helped each other in need. - it is a place where discussions can be debated. - There are senior members that give good advice to the Newbie's - Also thanks the CERB MOD, he has does a great job, keeping the board running and moderating the members and post. - without the Mod there would be no Cerb. What I have learnt from the Cerb Chat Room: - This is a great place to make friends and meet the other members. - I have spent hours in chat, talking to the men and women of Cerb. - Have met people from around Canada. - I have helped and been helped with other members. - Some night we have a lot of laughs. - Other nights meaningful discussions. What I have learnt from the Cerb Gentlemen: - They are here to help others with information about the industry - They are kind and thoughtful men and know how to show respect to the women of Cerb. - Established gentlemen are proven safe men for the Cerb Women. - Some of them have a great sense of humour. - They have come to the assistance of other members in need. - Without the gentlemen, there would be no Cerb. What I have learnt from Cerb Women: - They are kind and sexy women. - They except people for who they are , regardless of race or colour or size. - All they expect is for them to be clean, smell good and show them with respect. - Please respect their time and limitations. - Arrive on time with the proper donations. - No negotiation of donations. - If you can't make it please call to cancel. - It takes a special woman to be able to do this job. - The women who really enjoy this job and pleasing men give the best service. - Beauty and sexuality is shown from within the person. What I have learnt from myself: - When I started I was a shy man around women. - Now I have more confidence and have no problem being naked with strange women :) - I enjoy spending intimate time with Cerb women. - I enjoy chatting with learning about the real person. - I have become friends with several of the women and keep in contact with them. - Women seem to actually like me for some reason. - As with all meetings, YMMV, But I've learnt to be a gentleman and have in general received better services then I expected :) - Always please the women first, and they will return the favour :) - As I always say, I'm a gentleman and the woman cum first :) Advice to Newbies: - Read the above facts :) - Respect the women. - Be a gentleman. - Women with recommendations are a good choice, but in all cases YMMV. - Participate and become part of the Cerb Community. In closing. I love being on CERB, it has become a daily part of my life. and Thank you to all you women for being sexy, kind, beautiful and emotionally strong to be able to provide the services that you do. I am grateful for the exceptional times that I have spent with Cerb women, they know who they are :). And I hope to have many more great experiences. Gentlemen and women, let's hear what you have learnt from your experiences on Cerb.

Public client recos are kinda redundant: 1. We already have a bad-date section. 2. There is also the note feature. Also, it feels weird to me to reco a client. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you did nothing to warrant being black-listed, and your hygiene is good, you're ok by me.

I'm not sure how cost effective it is but I know my parents found a washer/dryer they liked, and while they actually went into the store to view it, they ordered online, arranged delivery and install and was a very good price. While I love online shopping and finding a great price, for many things, especially big ticket items, I want to be able to feel it or open it or sit on it. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it's built well or comfortable. For me, nothing will replace being able to see it in person before you buy on certain items.

I haven't been here long, but I do like the fact that everyone has a common interest, and I am learning to be the Escort that I want to be, and there is no shame on that! I love what I do, and have met many interesting and sweet men, who have lifted me up beyond words, and I have had gratitude from them, not just for activities but for listening and helping them through personal issues, this to me, is more fulfilling then anything else! Lyla has helped with this, in introducing me to knew people, and friends, in which I greatly appreciate! I agree with Christy, Ottawa is the capital of the planet lol and just because we are on Lyla,doesn't mean we are better or worse then anyone else:) unfortunately I think people when it comes to posts,, need to be abit more thoughtful instead of making accusations and telling people to be quiet , that needs to change, but as a whole, I do enjoy the site :)

Kind sincere words from a friend when I really need them. My three Siamese cats, My 11 year old nephew, I get to relive my life again and he reminds me of the joy and mystery in the world. The hope of spring and plans for new flowers, gardens and just the joys of learning about gardening . I'm a late learner with an expert teacher. A better relationship with my mother, neither of us are here indefinitely, I am cherishing out time together. My belief in the spirit world and the comfort it brings, truly this is the area that makes most sense to me. The possibility each day brings. Additional Comments: All good points Cristy, I love my cats because they don't drink my wine. They look at me like I'm the smartest person ever and all they want is love and to sleep at my feet. Can't beat that!!

I would tell the person contacting me that it was an ad from another day when I was offering specials, but am not anymore!

Victoria, I find this thread to be distasteful and not in the spirit of this site. I truly feel an apology is warranted. It's one thing to discuss bait and switch (which you have indicated to not be the case), but you are critiquing those that photo shop their pictures to "an extent of changing how they really look". It airs on the side of airing out dirty laundry. I can just see the pm's you must get saying "who are you talking about". Since you have read the sticky on airing out dirty laundry, you understand this is not ok. Especially after posting this: If you can't support others, don't complain about those YOU feel are doing something you don't agree with. Either support others or stay silent please. My civilian look is totally different then my business look. I'd hate to think that someone is going around saying I look nothing like my pictures. My pictures are 100% me. No retouching and no photoshop. I do crop them but that's it. I admire those that get professional pictures done and have no issue with them enhancing them. I've never lost business because of someone else's business practices. I do my thing and do very well. I would never post a critical post like this. If you know of someone who is blatantly posting pictures on THIS SITE that are not accurate, AND you have proof, post in bait and switch or notify mod. However insinuating otherwise is not cool.

Years ago when I traveled more and I was looking to meet a lady in whatever city I might be visiting I would always pull out the phone book and the local paper.... the reality now is that I can't recall the last time I looked in the paper or yellow pages... now that might just be me because I enjoy using technology. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

I think the Yellow Pages is going to dry-up pretty soon. Every year, the book gets thinner & thinner. I haven't used one in years. A waste of trees and advertisers money IMO. Old technology.

I may be an escort but first and foremost I am a woman. Yes this is business BUT it is one of the most intimate businesses out there. It seems sometimes that a gent I may meet thinks I am some sort of machine or borg with no life beyond that ,with no emotions. But tell me this would you want to meet with someone cold and detached or is that small intimate connection even for that moment in time the reason you hobby. You can love your significant other like they are your last breath but lack that bedroom spark. People don't marry based on how the bedroom goes they marry their personality their habits and dreams. We are woman if you treat us right we bloom and warm and that moment spark can be explosive and you leave with a smile. We are in a business and that should never be ignored,like you get up and go to work every day we get up puy on our mask(make up) and clock in. To each their own as one lady already said,ask her but always keep in mind even if you do connect outside that at the end of the day you go to bed with your wife and we take off our masks and go shopping or pay a bill. Ok enough from this peanut gallery good luck and happy moments for all.

I have been on this wonderful site for just over a year, and I have to say that I find it incredible. There are so many supportive people, great information, wit and candor that it makes my day just reading some of the posts. We are a community that helps each other, is supportive of one another in every way. What have I learned from Cerb/Lyla? I have learned: - to be less self critical - to listen intently to others - to encourage others - that I am not to everyone's taste nor they to mine (but politely said, lol) - that there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I choose to do as a hobby - is that there are wonderful people in which I can be friends with for a few hours and have lots of fun with, no strings attached - to give advice to someone of something they ask that I may have great knowledge of - to be welcoming and more passionate in my personal life - to celebrate all the little flaws that make me who I am I found out about this site from a friend, and I am so glad that it was shown to me. It is the best decision I ever made to be a part of this wonderful community. I give thanks to all of those that have helped me, and I hope for continued reading and learning on here.

it seems pretty obvious from the lack of SPs that have availed themselves of this have not brought it to fruition that it is indeed a dead issue. I personally don't want to 'rate' clients. If a lady asks me about a client that has used me as a reference, I will tell if I have or have not seen the person. I don't go into precise details about the tryst, I may say enjoyable, punctual, courteous, etc. But, only if a lady has asked me. Like Tempted Monk states, I wouldn't want to put clients on the edge by 'rating' them, as it seems. Best to leave the recommendations to the clients themselves.

ha! touché ;) lol

Oh Cristy, I am going to bed shortly . That is the highlight of my day. What a wonderful gesture and I am sure it meant a lot. I never lose faith , nice and kind people exist close to us , we just don't know. Love you, love you!! Awesome. :icon_smile::icon_smile::icon_smile: Additional Comments: Can you imagine the dancing now??!!

I was in a store to day and a customer was short $, he asked his friend for $ but his friend didn't have extra, so he went and put back some of his purchase but still fell short. I felt bad for him so I paid for his purchase, it wasn't very much. He offered me what $ he had but I asked him to pay it forward instead when he could. I felt good for doing this and hopefully someone else will benefit as well.

There appears to be some who just don't find something appealing until it is no longer available. I'd tell him to stop contacting you. If he hasn't booked yet I'd say he isn't going to.

I watched the last episode tonight...I had recorded it...it was amazing!! now we have to wait for the next season....:(

<--- goes to look at Cristy's rates....

Ask yourself -do you really want this client? If so, tell him it's no longer available and if he wants to book he'll have to pay todays rate. If he wants the old rate he'll have to wait until it's offered again. This happens often to me as well, when I advertise my 1/2 hour , because so many request it, most want it after I stop offering it, lol. Just the nature of the beast:)

Hello!! I'm not sure where you are, but I'd love to take care of your dog:) I'm sure you won't have a problem finding someone to go to Aruba. By the way that is one of the few places where you wouldn't have to quarantine your dog.

I think there is something to the idea that some gentlemen would like a reco section for hobbyists because they'd like to know how they "rank", for lack of a better term, but they would probably be disappointed by the criteria most sp's would use to grade them as clients. Things like hygiene, willingness to submit to screening, not haggling on prices, not insisting on a menu, etc, would be much higher on their lists than say, prowess between the sheets. I don't want to pull back the curtain on the wizard of oz for anyone, but I don't think a hobbyist's skills are of much concern to the average sp. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they think it's a lovely bonus when you show some level of competency in bed, but it's hardly a dealbreaker if you're all thumbs. If recent board subjects are any indication, not sending a d**k pic puts you in elite company :p

This is where I have an issue. This site is about positive issues. By "venting," it changes what this site is about. We are not allowed to vent. I'm sorry this issue bothers you, and you feel it's important to point out what others are doing (again this is your opinion not necessarily shared by others, and I still don't understand why you felt the need to vent about). Now, if you were talking about public figures (like Halle Berry making herself appear white in her recent pictures), that's an entirely different matter. However, to mention being 20 pounds heavier, buck teeth and such, sorry, it's not ok ON THIS SITE. Unless you have something positive to say...Please stay silent about these types of issues. Thank you for apologizing.

You've given no real examples of ladies using photo shop overkill as you put it, hence it comes across as any lady using professional photographers (who use photoshop) are misrepresenting themselves. It does a disservice to many ladies out there, and leads prospective clients (especially newbies) to think professional photos are misrepresenting the ladies If you could cite facts to back up your opinion, then the response you're getting would be different. But you've cited no facts, just posted an unsubstantiated opinion And your unsubstantiated opinion has to be offensive and disrespectful to each and every lady who invests in herself, time and money, getting professional photos done. Said as someone who has been fortunate to see many ladies who have had professional photos done, and the ladies in person, if anything are much more beautiful than the photos they use to represent themselves RG

Tips are like the business itself, unpredictable. Getting them or not isn't necessarily an indicator of anything, nor is their amount. That can vary greatly. None of us ever expect them but certainly appreciate them. When I'm given a tip it causes me to believe I've surpassed his expectations, I hope:) If a gentleman overstayed his welcome by a 1/2 hr then he should have offered you a half hour fee, if you have one, but that's just my opinion, but both should be aware and are responsible for keeping track of the allotted time.

It been 2 years on the 11th that I have now belonged to Cerb. So I thought I'd share some of the things I've learned, especially of late 1. That is: Who some say is a good client may not necessarily be for me. If I get the sense that the person interested in seeing me isn't my type best not to follow through. I've done this to many times resulting in wasted time, no fun and regretful moments. I used to get the feeling just because someone, especially a Cerb member, wanted to see me it was necessary to book. I guess I was afraid of the repercussions of refusing:( One persons champagne is another persons beer! 2.Just because someone is a Cerb member doesn't mean their character is golden. I am grateful to be here and thankful I'm accepted by a lot but I have realized that there are unreliable people everywhere, cerb is no exception and, trust has to be earned it isn't guaranteed by any site. Nothing is. :) 3. This is a great place to discuss sex and to dirty talk. 4. We are lucky to have a Canada wide FREE advertising site and I'm happy and thankful to be a part of it:) 5.Thankfully, a site where there can be no bashing, some still make digs, but hey, they have to have something to do:) 6.That perhaps Ottawa is the center of the universe, lol. 7.Research, research ,research- this goes both ways. 8. Being a provider isn't anything to be ashamed of, it can be like actual dating and sometimes surprisingly nice things can result from it. Never be afraid to go beyond your boundaries. Its my time, my body and, mine to share and to do with as I please:) 9. Ignore, ignore, ignore maliciousness. When you do, good things happen:) 10. Most importantly- ENJOY- its alright to have a good time with a date. It is after all about having fun and wanting to give someone else a sample of "you" and that needs to be beneficial for both sides:) 11. Recommendations are nice but they are just an opinion 12. I'm good at a lot of things but I'm the best at just being myself, to some that'll be great and to others not so good, win some lose some. I've learned that its okay not to be liked by everyone . Well my last sentiment-I've been bad-I've been booted out a couple of times-live an learn-move on:) and I've been good-have lots of rep points now:) and cerbie friends- so thanks for letting me into your neighbourhood:)

Just for discussion. I've noticed sometimes at a few MA's and SP's that I've seen that they have handcuffs hanging on the bed headboard, usually they are pink padded ones :) Has anyone been handcuffed or the SP let them be handcuff. I would assumed that this would not happen on the first session. And only after there is trust built between the two participants. I assume that these are not real handcuffs and that they can easily be taken off if necessary. I guess it could be very erotic if the woman or man could tease the other person while they were handcuffed to the headboard. I am just curious to hear about any experience you've had with handcuffs or being tied up. I would be afraid if the sp would just leave me naked, handcuffed to the bed for the maid to discover. lol

If Sens win tonight, I'll go see a lady. If they lose, I'll stay home and drown my sorrows in alcohol. Ladies: start cheering

One other thought here. Yes we are all, ladies and gentlemen alike part of the same lifestyle, opposite sides of the same coin if you will. But for the ladies, it is their livelihood For men, it is their escape The reason for writing a recommendation on a lady is to help her business, her livelihood Why would I as a client want to be rated/judged in comparison to other clients for what is supposed to be a private escape And what gets rated/judged. Isn't part of the reason for the escape to be in a judgement free zone if you will Also doesn't this open the door to a client telling a lady "give me a good public recommendation and I'll write you a good recommendation too" A rambling RG

Personally, I'd let your chosen SP know when booking that that's something you're looking for. If you spring it on her during, she may be caught off guard and be unprepared. Most of us try to stay in control of the appointment anyway, but subtly so. If you're looking for something more dominatrix-y, then you should look for someone who offers professional BDSM services. You don't have to go into too much detail--what you've written here is enough. It gives the escort an idea of what you like but you haven't sat down and written out a schedule or play by play so it won't feel staged during. You have a few options here. You can do a search of the forums for the word "duos." There was a thread awhile back where everyone announced who they were comfortable doing duos with. You can ask your chosen SP if she has a friend she can bring along or who she works with. Some advertise on their websites who they do duos with. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here. Are you asking what is the biggest hurdle to being an independent, or are you asking why there are so many indy escorts vs agency girls? I'm confused.

When a client txts me and says who are you again, I've contacted a few ladies.

Looking at the product in-store & then buying online is called "showrooming". I think retail is taking this pretty seriously. The number of retail outlets is going to shrink because operators have to occupy & pay big bucks for space to display product. If nobody buys at the outlet, what's the point of maintaining a retail joint? Unfortunate situation, because a lot of unique and useful products are on display at retail outlets. Stuff you wouldn't think about searching for on-line across different sites.

This is a tough one. There could have been many different MA/SP ladies and then one day you may see someone new and `whack`!!! Right out of the blue. when you are least expecting, certainly NOT looking (like this is the last place one should look for anything but what it is) ---- and SHE appears. You "OMG" and she does the same----immediate attraction/connection. You both go WTF??? It has happened. Things happen that aren`t supposed to happen. Both of you try to keep in professional--but to no avail. You text more/talk more/ see one another a lot more.It becomes intimate in very real terms. talking, feeling, sharing ----- it goes beyond `business`. this is like a `twilight, danger zone`. You ask: Could this work? No way you say. But IT is still there. And you fall in love--OMG. But she continues to be in the business. Now this is stupid--how did i let this happen? And she loves you!!! Crazy!! Now--what does one do with that? it can`t work--can it?

I love kissing - lips, neck, hands, shoulders, back...everywhere ;) There is just something so wonderful and sensual about kissing. It can be very soft or more intense to downright primal. Hard to imagine such a thing as too much kissing in the company of an attractive woman.

last nights was fantastic. I am looking forward to the prequel of the walking dead

Knowing what I know now! My life will never be the same.. in a good way that is.

If this is being thought of because a client would like to know how he rates in comparison to other clients, my question is this. Who cares. The lady's other clients are likely not even known to him, or at the most, known only as a board handle and vice versa. If that is the case, that someone is concerned about other clients, kinda comes across as a tad insecure A good client wouldn't want to be part of this "recommendation" pool, because he wouldn't want to put a lady he's seen in the unenviable position of ranking her clients And a recommendation from a client about a lady is not the same as a reference from a lady about a client. Although I'll grant you, while it may appear analogous, they are not the same. And yes, it has been brought up and discussed before. But more importantly, not accepted. That in itself should be an indicator that it isn't going to be accepted now And since now clients pay a companion only for time and companionship what criteria are men rated on. Is the lady going to say he played a good game of checkers LOL. Any discussion, by lady or gentleman discussing a paid sexual encounter now (thanks to MacKay and the CPC) is verboten. We only see companions for time and companionship At the end of the day the only thing that matters (besides the lady and myself having had a wonderful escape) is that she was happy with me as a client and I was happy with her as a companion. Being put in some recommendation pool won't change that An after lunch rambling RG

I've been here since may 2011 and my weight has fluctuated up and down 20 lbs or so and I have clients that keep coming and never mention anything. Most don't appear to notice. I will say though, I did lose a boyfriend over my decision to do my breast augmentation. He said he would leave if I changed them and he did. So I benefitted doubly when I did my boobs, lol. I went from a C to a D and lost an ass;) I think most men when they find someone they like are fine with some changes, most aren't that shallow. At least the ones I've met.

I think it unfair for anyone to assume why the op suggested this. Only he knows his reasons. What some think is a good idea, others will not. There are as many good reasons for having a reco section for hobbyists as there are bad. The arguments about size, performance are mute since no one should be mentioning those things any way, we are getting paid to spend time with one another, after all. As far as jealousy for being up talked or excluded, if companions can handle that couldn't hobbyists? As far as what's written or even if one is written, there could be a rule that you have to be okayed by the hobbyist before doing so, but.... All these aren't viable anyway as the mod in an old post said writing these would be pushing the boundaries of the law. So next idea:)

Hi darling, Let me chase the snow flurries and the rain this week and bring a smile on your cheeks! Never will a relaxation time be so good love! So let me capture U in my sexy net and let me ensure U will just want one thing and it's to be back chéri ! And look at my schedule here under and my sexy a bunny for a twenty special! Easter will have never been so good babe!! I am pretty with mid long flamboyant curly red hair, sexy green doe eyes, natural 38D and curvy as suggest my pics. Sexy week of March 30th to April 5th From Monday to Wednesday to Thursday available from 9 am to 4 pm possibility of working later on Thursday check my profile later for I will keep it updated. Friday, good Friday, available from 9 am to 5 pm. Saturday off so far and Sunday, Easter day, from 10 am to 2 pm. And from Thursday to Sunday with a hump, a skip and a jump, come over and bring any type of bunny or chocolate treat and get 20$ off your companionship rate! Beginners welcome! To book: 819-500-8897 Barbara or [email protected]. Otherwise darling when U come over, have your envelope ready and please hand it to me directly as U walk in. Let me put it away and proceed to the bath room or my nest of indulgence. Thanks darling! Je parle aussi français chéri ! Yo hablo espanol tambien querido !

. In reality yes we all provide a fantasy or an escape in what we do. However the reality is this business can be a VERY cruel one and the real truth is very visible on other boards which allow it. This site is a nice and friendly place where the cruel reality of negative reviews or comments do not exist. You would be surprised at how many new people wild believe a post from someone with a high post count (true or not). If we don't not the fact this BS goes on, it will only get worse and people need to be made aware of it.

today is my birthday and all 4 kids of mine forgot again. its not like they are young ones. 25. 23, 17 and 15. my 17 year old daughter who lives with me I let it slip it was my birthday so she said she was sorry and wished me a happy birthday from behind her bedroom door when I told her good night. at 9 tonight I got a facebook message from my 25 year old son to say happy birthday. I guess its nice he took the time to message. A phone call would have been nice. Not one of them did a darn thing to try to make my day special or show they care.

I agree with what Emma has said, younger gentleman usually are immature, clueless and lacking respect, as well their emails are usually atrocious. I personally have found more mature gentlemen know what they are looking for, have manners and well are less likely to cross the line by asking to see me off the clock or if they can come for free cause they are that dam hot. Young men, if you think telling me your attractive makes me want to see you, your wrong. It makes you sound arrogant. As for the race thing, when I owned my agency (pardon my terms here) the black girl who worked for me did not wish to see black men, her reasoning was the pimp card. While its wrong to generalize, she was in the biz for many years and saw who she was comfortable with. You can't sum all black men in the same boat so to say, but it was her preference and I respected it 100%. How some men prefer and only see blondes, she preferred not to see men from her background.

Seeing my daughter smile and hearing her laugh. she has had a real hard time suffering from depression. she is off her meds and the old daughter I missed is coming back. she even took a long bath and got all cleaned up for school tomorrow. those that suffer from depression or know someone that has it I am sure can appreciate that these are big steps for her and I am very proud of her.

Listening to my son playing the piano...he's so talented :) Watching my mom smile... Bianca

Your very right, the ending of ANY relationship is never easy, however in this lifestyle if boundaries are not crossed and lines not blurred, the split should be simple and easy. It is a break up of a business relationship or transaction NOT a marriage and should not be confused with one. This is a business relationship or business transaction, lines only get blurred when one refuses to respect what the other person in the relationship is saying. At the end of the day, the friendship you think may be there is blurred by money. And unless your spending mutually agreed upon time off the clock, the friendship one thinks they had really does not exist. Call it whatever you want, but one does not pay someone to be there friend. The only people who ever feel resentment when a relationship ends are the ones who refused to respect the rules and chose to treat it as a "I paid for it so I own it" situation. Fact of the matter is NO ONE owns anyone and money was for time and companionship, not the persons physical being. If a lady cut you off and does not want anything to do with you anymore, one needs to have a good hard look at themselves and think about their behaviour, and how they have handled things for it to turn out this way. As a client you are free to end the business relationship anytime, and we say nothing....yet when the situation is reversed why is it we get so much grief? I think its time to man up and take responsibility for ones actions

Two things make me happy :) my little dog Mia and my work! I love this business, seeing a client leave satisfied and wanting to see me again, definitely puts a smile on my face!

http://www.eroticpostreviews.com/p/273530?modal=2893280&i=truemodal-tab This link is to an ad she had last year in Ontario. Some more 'revealing' photos for those on the fence. (Myself included)

Her username is SUMMER LOVE If you like to contact her directly

Your mileage may vary, as they say. To return to the original point of this thread... quite apart from the money issue, remember that when you pay to see Alotta Fagina, what you're getting is... what you want (or at least, what she thinks you want). It's not that what you see is fake or unreal, necessarily, but... Alotta won't spend the first half-hour with you unloading about the horrible morning she had, even if she did. She won't say she's tired and she'd rather not, even if that's the case. She won't bring you her problems, because that's not what you're there for. So, when you're thinking about what you feel about her, remember that behind the Alotta Fagina you think of so fondly, there's another person who you've never met. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't maintain cordial relations outside scheduled appointments... but it's better not to trespass upon her time more than she's happy with (and how much that is may vary enormously) and it's unwise to assume that it'll lead to anything more, even if that may happen very occasionally.