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Is the client still responsible for not showing?  

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If a guy is going to cancel for any reason, he should at least have the courtesy to text and let the SP know what's up.  Maybe you can reassure him, maybe you can't.  I would say there are far worse reasons to cancel.  But the courtesy of letting the SP know is the important thing.  Ghosting is just rude and disrespectful.

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Some cops stay in the hotel, and I meet them sometimes in the breakfast room.   

Last encounter,  I met a handsome one few days ago when I was in Kamloops and he seems to recognize me and we flirt a bit.

I believe, escorting is very well tolerated in Canada by now and we are totally fine doing it.  Cops simply check for license or sex trafficking but I never hear story they bust the clients for years by now.  So chill everyone 😋

Cops came when I tour in Medicine Hat and gave me $2000 fine.  He told me the agencies were not happy with my presence in their city and force him to give me a fine.

He told me to advertise in Brooks instead of in Medicine Hat next time if I ever come back

I never come back afterwards.  Pissed with 2K fine I guess

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Bottom line is, I assure all prospective clients, not to be afraid if you see police cars in the parking lot, especially if you are seeing well reviewed ladies.  

Will I be pissed if the client cancel?  Personally I will

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Uniformed cops in marked cars don't usually perform this type of enforcement. You had nothing to worry about. Still, if it happened to one of my clients, and it put him off, I'd understand. 

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6 minutes ago, JoyfulC said:

Uniformed cops in marked cars don't usually perform this type of enforcement. You had nothing to worry about. Still, if it happened to one of my clients, and it put him off, I'd understand. 

  I agree on that part. But not all busts are planned. They regularly answer to complaints for noise or potential domestic violence. And sometimes stumble into transactions gone wrong or other illegal activities.

  This is why keeping communication is the best option to know why they are there and if safe to meet.

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1 hour ago, Greenteal said:

  I agree on that part. But not all busts are planned. They regularly answer to complaints for noise or potential domestic violence. And sometimes stumble into transactions gone wrong or other illegal activities.

  This is why keeping communication is the best option to know why they are there and if safe to meet.

Still, they'd need evidence to lay charges. How would they get it?

(But yeah, I know some cops can just be jerks and give people a hard time, purely on spec. Most wouldn't, but the rare one would.)

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25 minutes ago, JoyfulC said:

Still, they'd need evidence to lay charges. How would they get it?

(But yeah, I know some cops can just be jerks and give people a hard time, purely on spec. Most wouldn't, but the rare one would.)

This! Lol police can have suspicion but they can’t just stumble across you visiting a random room and automatically assume you’re with a escort ? This doesn’t even make sense. You do not have to talk to police AT ALL unless you are being incarcerated and in that case still don’t say ANYTHING until in the presence of a lawyer….

 

when’s the last time any of you have gotten in trouble by walking past a police officer ? This doesn’t even make sense. 

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20 hours ago, Allie Zeon said:

Some cops stay in the hotel, and I meet them sometimes in the breakfast room.   

Last encounter,  I met a handsome one few days ago when I was in Kamloops and he seems to recognize me and we flirt a bit.

I believe, escorting is very well tolerated in Canada by now and we are totally fine doing it.  Cops simply check for license or sex trafficking but I never hear story they bust the clients for years by now.  So chill everyone 😋

Cops came when I tour in Medicine Hat and gave me $2000 fine.  He told me the agencies were not happy with my presence in their city and force him to give me a fine.

He told me to advertise in Brooks instead of in Medicine Hat next time if I ever come back

I never come back afterwards.  Pissed with 2K fine I guess

Oh yes there is a evil madam in Medicine Hat that doesn’t like new ladies ! 

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1 hour ago, JoyfulC said:

Still, they'd need evidence to lay charges. How would they get it?

(But yeah, I know some cops can just be jerks and give people a hard time, purely on spec. Most wouldn't, but the rare one would.)

   I never said anything about laying charges. If the cops were called because a client or anyone else made a scene, assaulted someone or else, I'm not gonna walk in blind. And certainly not if the lady chooses to not reply my call or txt.

   Once I get confirmation their presence is unrelated and she's ready, I'll go in.

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On 9/25/2021 at 2:37 PM, ManofFewWords said:

This time she texted me and gave me the heads up that there were two police cars in the lot, and that all was good, so I wouldn't get concerned

That’s a great point. If there were two or three cruisers rotating out of the lot, it would be very reassuring if the provider texted to say all is well and a sense of any trouble areas to avoid… I know I’d be very appreciative.

Good thread.

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There are really 2 questions here

1. Can you blame?

2. who’s responsible?

1. should be solved by a mathematical equation: [pleasure of the act.- (probability of being caught x consequences) + cost of cancelling] -
if the answer is positive: go

if the answer is negative: cancel.  
 

lol. I have to quit.   My phone is dying. Will come back

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If I was putting myself in the situation when I first started this lifestyle I probably would have bailed out right away.  But now with over 13 years doing this I wouldn't.  Just my 2 cents.

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15 hours ago, Steampunk said:

There are really 2 questions here

1. Can you blame?

2. who’s responsible?

1. should be solved by a mathematical equation: [pleasure of the act.- (probability of being caught x consequences) + cost of cancelling] -
if the answer is positive: go

if the answer is negative: cancel.  
 

lol. I have to quit.   My phone is dying. Will come back

Part II...

In and case, humans being humans, the (subconcious)  mathematical equation will be: [pleasure of the act.- (perceived probability of being caught x perceived consequences) + cost of cancelling].

So even if arrest and conviction probabilities are really low, it is the perception that will drive the decision.

Also, perceived consequences will vary with people: perceived jail or fine or record; family implications (wife, kids, friends), and (like in my case, job and revenue loss...

 

Question 2: don't know.  I suppose I would call the sp to find out: deposit amount? Keep the deposit for a postponed session? Full price? There too, case by case: 1st time client, or someone the sp seen before? Etc.

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I had that experience a couple of times. When I pulled in the hotel parking there were already 2 and 3 police car in the parking away from the entrance. I texted my companion as usual to let her know I had arrived. Once I got her reply I knew it was all good. I just grabbed my carry-on size bag from my back seat and went in as though I owned the place. I figured that if something was wrong my companion would have let me know in some way. Both times had a great visit and when I walked all cops were gone. Trying to not look suspicious is best. Actually, don't try, just don't act suspicious!

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12 hours ago, RayRenpelle said:

I had that experience a couple of times. When I pulled in the hotel parking there were already 2 and 3 police car in the parking away from the entrance. I texted my companion as usual to let her know I had arrived. Once I got her reply I knew it was all good. I just grabbed my carry-on size bag from my back seat and went in as though I owned the place. I figured that if something was wrong my companion would have let me know in some way. Both times had a great visit and when I walked all cops were gone. Trying to not look suspicious is best. Actually, don't try, just don't act suspicious!

So the moral of the story is if you walk in and one or more cops are standing in front of the door of the lady you are seeing don't freeze for a moment, sweat, shake, whistle out loud while looking up and start running in the other direction.  Got it, I'll try not to do that !  LOL

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2 hours ago, NotchJohnson said:

So the moral of the story is if you walk in and one or more cops are standing in front of the door of the lady you are seeing don't freeze for a moment, sweat, shake, whistle out loud while looking up and start running in the other direction.  Got it, I'll try not to do that !  LOL

Please note. I wrote the cops were in their cars parked away from hotel entrance not standing around the lady's door. Noteworthy difference in situation! Lol

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This is an excellent post and I wanted to respond for a while and finally found enough time away from the books to do so.

This reminds me of something that is said too many people who are about to perform on stage  "the audience doesn't know what you were up to. As long as you keep moving forward with the entertainment like nothing has gone wrong, no one will be the wiser". Cops need evidence to lay charges. How are they to know this isn't just a friend or relative coming to visit? Unless you're handling cash or services in public there isn't much to worry about. Hearsay isn't binding.

For myself if I was in this position I don't think I would hold the client responsible. I would try to understand their discomfort as ultimately they will be the one taking the charge, not I. There will be many other calls and they may even be one of them if shown such compassion. 

I do think it would be fair to keep any deposit that was offered but I wouldn't feel right about taking more. This is just as much about respecting the client as it is respecting the provider.

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If I am not mistaken, if you are walking inside a hotel and are stopped for questioning by the police, you must give them your real name and show ID. Beyond that, you are under no legal obligation to answer any of their questions. 

Don't be confrontational, don't lie and make up stories about why you are there, just politely tell them that you will not answer any questions (you have the right to remain silent).

They may suspect that you are there to see an SP, but if you keep your damn mouth shut, what can they do?

One thing that I am not sure about, is if they have the right to search your cellphone.

I always delete the text messages and leave my cellphone locked in my vehicle, just to be sure.

 

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1 hour ago, Greenly said:

One thing that I am not sure about, is if they have the right to search your cellphone.

I always delete the text messages and leave my cellphone locked in my vehicle, just to be sure.

 

     I'm not a lawyer. but under Section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, we got the right "to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.”. Meaning they need consent or a valid search warrant to do this. Exceptions should only be if you walk in identified secure areas or cross the border.

     As for being questioned and obligated to show ID, this should only be for traffic stops or if walk in an active investigation. That part is likely open to interpretation. You can cooperate, but if unsure of the situation you're walking in, better communicate with the lady to know if safe or not.

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23 hours ago, RayRenpelle said:

I had that experience a couple of times. When I pulled in the hotel parking there were already 2 and 3 police car in the parking away from the entrance. I texted my companion as usual to let her know I had arrived. Once I got her reply I knew it was all good. I just grabbed my carry-on size bag from my back seat and went in as though I owned the place. I figured that if something was wrong my companion would have let me know in some way. Both times had a great visit and when I walked all cops were gone. Trying to not look suspicious is best. Actually, don't try, just don't act suspicious!

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On 9/25/2021 at 1:37 PM, ManofFewWords said:

I have had it happen twice to me that when I arrived at the incall location there were police cars in the lot. Both times it was at the same hotel, known to be provider friendly and typically a no issue visit.

First time i pull in the parking  lot 10 min before the scheduled time and there are 3 cruisers out front of the main entrance. I park over by a side entrance I usually use and where I can see the front entrance. Naturally I'm wondering wtf is going on and a little nervous. As I'm sitting there another cop car pulls in and one leaves. Time comes to text for the room number and I get no response. This is not my first time seeing this lady and out of character for her not to respond right away when expecting me. Waited 10 min and sent another text. No response. Finally a third text saying I was leaving, mentioned the cops and told her I hope all is well. Couple days later I hear from her and was informed there was a problem with a client that escalated to the point police were involved. I expressed my regret it happened and that I was glad she was Ok.

Second time was with a different lady, but at the same hotel. This time she texted me and gave me the heads up that there were two police cars in the lot, and that all was good, so I wouldn't get concerned. Showed up, acted like I owned the place and had a wonderful time.

The circumstances will dictate whether you should stay or go, but communication (or lack of) should point you in the direction of the right decision. As others have said, they don't park marked cars in front of a sting, and they have no idea who you are. Communicate and don't let anxiety about the fuzz keep you from having a good time.

 

I think the lady should have texted you to say she couldn't meet. If you waited 10 minutes without a response, whether there were cops or not, it's reasonable for you to leave at that point. I don't understand why it took her a couple days to respond to you.  Also, not to criticize you but it's generally not cool to show up 10 minutes beforehand sitting parked as that in itself can draw attention.  

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3 hours ago, Andee said:

not cool to show up 10 minutes beforehand sitting parked as that in itself can draw attention. 

Good point. I also imagine it accumulates. One client doing it may not be noticed in a busy lot… a sequence of them may be more noticeable. I do like the piece of mind in being there 10 mins early. There’s always traffic randomness, and I never want to be late. One thing I do is park a few blocks away in a busy lot, till a minute out. I text for the room, and by the time she responds, I’m just pulling in the lot and walk right up. Welcome others thoughts.

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8 hours ago, Andee said:

I think the lady should have texted you to say she couldn't meet. If you waited 10 minutes without a response, whether there were cops or not, it's reasonable for you to leave at that point. I don't understand why it took her a couple days to respond to you.  Also, not to criticize you but it's generally not cool to show up 10 minutes beforehand sitting parked as that in itself can draw attention.  

It's quite possible she couldn't reasonably text at the time, if she was dealing with cops. But I agree that a couple of days is too long to wait for an explanation.

4 hours ago, clearbluesky15 said:

Good point. I also imagine it accumulates. One client doing it may not be noticed in a busy lot… a sequence of them may be more noticeable. I do like the piece of mind in being there 10 mins early. There’s always traffic randomness, and I never want to be late. One thing I do is park a few blocks away in a busy lot, till a minute out. I text for the room, and by the time she responds, I’m just pulling in the lot and walk right up. Welcome others thoughts.

This. Being late isn't cool either, and it's kinda hard to even text to tell someone while you're driving and also stressing about being late in the first place, and so you end up leaving them hanging until you do manage to park. It's a really shitty start to meeting someone, especially when you're also making a shitty first impression on them.

I also aim to be 10-15 minutes early, and most of the time I do the same thing - park somewhere nearby to wait discreetly if need be, and then drive up the road to where you need to be at the appropriate moment. It's different if I'm going to be downtown - in that case it often takes a few minutes to find somewhere to park, there's far less risk of attracting attention because clients aren't all parking in the same place, and once I've found a space there's no way I'm giving it up, so I'll just wait in the car and then walk as many blocks as required.

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On 10/3/2021 at 3:56 AM, Andee said:

I think the lady should have texted you to say she couldn't meet. If you waited 10 minutes without a response, whether there were cops or not, it's reasonable for you to leave at that point. I don't understand why it took her a couple days to respond to you.  Also, not to criticize you but it's generally not cool to show up 10 minutes beforehand sitting parked as that in itself can draw attention.  

Initially I thought the same regarding her texting me to cancel. After a little thought I think as Phaedrus said, if she was dealing with the cops it could be inconvenient at the time. In fact if that's the case I don't want her pulling out her phone to respond to me. As for the delay, she apologized and said the incident shook her up and she needed some time to regain her composure. As she has always been great at communicating I chalked it up to "shit happens" and it actually happened to her not me. Several visits since with no issues and many good times.

In regard to arriving 10 min early, circumstances dictate what is appropriate. Big hotel with huge parking lot and lots of cars. Park away from the entrance and between other vehicles. 5 min on my phone tidying up anything I need to before it gets shut off then text for the room number 5min before the appointed time (as requested). By the time i get a response and get up to the room I'm right on time. Nobody is going to pay any attention to someone sitting in a vehicle on the phone for a few minutes. Different story if it's a motel/private residence/small lot that's not busy. Then as others have said, parking on the street and walking, or texting for the location from nearby and pulling into the lot at the last moment is certainly more appropriate. I would much rather arrive a couple minutes early than be late.

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On 9/22/2021 at 3:18 PM, NotchJohnson said:

I think that both parties cane come up with a solution.  What if the lady was to meet the gentleman outside in the parking lot and they could both walk in at the same time in the room as if they were a couple?  Who would consider this anything else then a common couple enjoying each other company?

Maybe it's just me but I hope I'm never put in a situation like that.

i have had to this before . Only thing was i was walking him OUT instead of walking him in. 

 

Let me explain ;  I had someone come at around midnight for a HH , when we were done we heard people in the hallway and when i looked out the peephole i seen two people. I wasnt sure if they were cops but the client spotted the crest on their sleeve. We waited almost 10 minutes but they werent leaving . He then suggested i walk him out so i did. When we came out the room there was a female and male cop arresting the girl across the hall from me . I turned to my client and said " babe you haave the room keys right ? " He smiled and said yes & then we held hands. Nice touch right ? When we got outside he went to his car & i walked outside for aboout 10 mins and then went in, 

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