Are we incriminating ourselves

[MNO4 789]

By being here or writing reviews after the Nordic model comes to pass

[CristyCurves 169032]

Good question, if the Nordic model were to pass and my understanding of it correct, that le will then target clients, sadly, then perhaps they could use internet trails for prosecuting . A stretch perhaps. But also a possibility? I'll be interested in the responses. Personally, no matter which way the gavel swings, I'm here if they want me, no hiding, and I won't change my ways to conform to those with sticks up their asses:)

[roamingguy 300291]

No more than a gentleman writing a recommendation now about a lady he saw at her incall which is technically illegal

Or ads for escort agencies...I'm no lawyer but I believe illegal (living off the avails)

Whether it's current law or new law, don't expect the police all of a sudden to be extra motivated to go after anyone in this lifestyle, be it companion or lady

The new law is merely a political response to the SCC decision

If it's going to be a new law enforcement priority, then expect the government (federal, provincial and municipal) to increase spending to give to police departments the resources needed to enforce the new laws. If they didn't see it as a priority before, don't count on it as a priority now

Just my opinion

 

RG

[Jabba 18389]

I don't think you have anything to worry about just yet.

 

The bill has to pass through Parliament & then Senate so it's not a done deal. I think the constitutionality of a new bill (especially this one) will be under the microscope.

 

LE probably don't make any investigative moves retroactively prior to new law being enacted. They would be chasing their tails trying to prove criminal activity before something is actually considered a criminal offense. They also have to decide how to enforce new law. Will they use this forum as a tracker tool - they probably already do but so what?....

 

How many Senators (remember Wilbur Keon?), Ministers, Politicians, Backroom boys are clients themselves? What do you wanna bet those guys are gonna be chewing their nails about keeping their jobs if they pass an unpopular or stupidly draconian bill.

[canuckhooker 19202]

Gee will we still be able to go to MP's after the Zombie apocalypse? Should we take a shotgun just in case?

[Jason Fergusson 1408]

I have not been incriminating myself by writing on CERB. I did not mean any of it literally. I made it all up. I did not really do any of those things that I wrote about. I was just kidding around. I did not realize that you would take me seriously. You guys are so gullible! (I think that ought to cover my tracks)

:wink:

[Miss Jessica Lee 43328]

I think it's preposterous to think there is funding available to run sting operations on the thousands of active sex workers currently in Canada.

 

But just in case, I made it all up too :D

[Guest **oo**e]

New criminal legislation can't be applied retroactively (ex post facto) in Canada so no need to worry.

[roamingguy 300291]

Well every recommendation I wrote (not to mention post I made on CERB) I stand by.

And this weekend I'll be writing another recommendation

It's just a small way I show my appreciation to ladies for the escape they provide me

BTW I didn't hear of additional funding for the police to enforce this law

Nor really is there a lot of money earmarked to "help" save the women either more like a token amount that

is going to be spent

 

A rambling

 

RG

[Phaedrus 209521]

As I understand it... an accusation has to have a time and a place. If LE reads your reco for someone, that's not sufficient evidence to convict; they'd have to provide evidence on where and when the supposed meeting took place, which most recos don't mention.

 

And that, of course, is assuming they've discovered the identities of two people known here only by their handles, which may be more or less difficult depending on what precautions they may have taken.

 

But I could be wrong. IANAL, after all.

[Guest **oo**e]

You can pretty much close this thread. Like I said new criminal laws can't be applied retroactively in Canada.

[76Traveller 654]

You can pretty much close this thread. Like I said new criminal laws can't be applied retroactively in Canada.

 

While the point is well made and no further discussion required, it might be worthwhile leaving something like this near the top to reassure a few nervous souls who are feeling a bit of a chill in the air due to this stupid legislation.

[1963Kennedy 10698]

Has any CERB man or lady been in trouble with the LE? I believe the LE are not too interested in us; they are after the johns of street walkers and under age girls being exploited. Yes, some things may change (ie: the demise of CL for example) but the oldest profession will continue to get older.

I do know of a lady who was "inspected" by LE. Its seems all they wanted to see was her place was not a bawdy house.

[mod 135639]

This is more of a fear mongering thread. Posts are dated and right now its not illegal ... so asking this question is silly. If a law changes or a new law is introduced nothing you did in the past before that law is submissable. you did something in the past before the law was made you never did anything illegal.

[Guest **sh****he***ac***th]

The authorities will have to prove criminal "intent"....as the Moderator has said there's a lot of fear mongering taking place over the past few days. Continue on having fun with the CERB lady(ies) of your choice and forget about this whole issue. The sky is not falling people!!

[RubJunky 1954]

This political rhetoric pops up every time an election draws near to swing the religious voters their way and bag a few righteous people at the same time.

 

3 Mounties murdered on the East coast!!! I think they have more important things like terrorism, murderers, rapist and molesters to deal with than to go after a bunch of happy ending people.

 

Now who wants my vote?

[PistolPete 61421]

By being here or writing reviews after the Nordic model comes to pass

 

What reviews? They are recommendations, did they really take place? Pete? Pete who? There is no law in place right now, so get on with your desires, fulfill them and stop worrying, I know I am :)

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

What reviews? They are recommendations, did they really take place? Pete? Pete who? There is no law in place right now, so get on with your desires, fulfill them and stop worrying, I know I am :)

 

The "new reco"....I had a lovely time with Sophia, we had a spot of tea" lol...

[roamingguy 300291]

I plan to incriminate myself this weekend ;-)

 

RG

[Boomer 33202]

It seems that everyone is getting rather paranoid about this new legislation. It still remains to be seen how the final legislation will appear, after all, the new voting and cyber bullying legislation have been changed due to pubic pressure.

 

I must admit that the advertising sections surprised me. Even once it gets to be proclaimed, it will take both the police some time to figure out what resources they want assign to enforcement and how to implement it. After all prostitution is illegal in the US, but the ladies have found ways to promote them selves and there are boards similar to CERB that are still up and popular.

[roamingguy 300291]

This law is replacing the old law as a result of the SCC decision and as such, jmo but it should be treated as nothing more than the government's political response to the SCC, not some newfound "mission" from the sanctimonious Conservatives to save prostitutes and prosecute us pervs.

Peter MacKay is willing to allocate twenty million dollars to save the ladies

He made no mention of additional resources allocated to the police to go after us pervs though

Twenty million really isn't a lot, if PM truly cared about saving ladies, much more money would be allocated

My opinion, the law enforcement resources that already exist will be allocated to enforce the new law...because the old law isn't there to enforce. As for police just waiting to arrest someone, there were already enough prostitution related offences on the books that they could have made lots of arrests, if so motivated

The new law pisses me off, PM pisses me off, the Conservatives piss me off, I'm pissed off being labelled a perv by the Justice Minister (most people take the time to know me before labelling me LOL,I've never even met him)....but that said, I really don't think anything will change from an enforcement perspective. The police don't have the manpower or resources to enforce it

A rambling

 

RG

[Ice4fun 78396]

Lol... everyone who has met me knows I have an overactive imagination... and shit look at me... what woman would have sex with me... i don't have that kind of money.... but at least I can write my fantasies here on CERB.... and be a Virtual Pervert.

 

Lololol

[PistolPete 61421]

Is a very interesting subject going forward, especially in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.....2. b)

 

Lots to be discussed by lawyers going forward.

 

 

 

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Fundamental Freedoms

 

Marginal note:Fundamental freedoms

 

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

© freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

Democratic Rights

 

 

 

 

 

It seems that everyone is getting rather paranoid about this new legislation. It still remains to be seen how the final legislation will appear, after all, the new voting and cyber bullying legislation have been changed due to pubic pressure.

 

I must admit that the advertising sections surprised me. Even once it gets to be proclaimed, it will take both the police some time to figure out what resources they want assign to enforcement and how to implement it. After all prostitution is illegal in the US, but the ladies have found ways to promote them selves and there are boards similar to CERB that are still up and popular.

[Philander39 3705]

Any prior reviews really can't be used against you because what you were doing at the time was not illegal. There might have been illegal aspects, for example visiting an SP at their incall location or if you and the SP discussed services on the street or in a public spot before heading off to "the party room".

 

After the law is passed then things can change but as people have mentioned in this thread there is lots of wiggle room that it would be really difficult for the police to have any charges stick. Then the question comes down to is it worth their effort ?

 

Personally, I think the police will focus more on the street level stuff first as they will get more bang for their buck. Street level stuff is what most people think when they think about prostitution. It also tends to get the most vocal complaints as it is noticeable. Anyone who has spent time along the stroll in Vanier definitely knows that there are women there who need help with their addictions so the 20 million might be useful for that type of stuff. Since it doesn't sound like the government is going to be giving money to the provinces for more policing services, I really don't see them focusing their limited budgets on places like CERB.

 

Saying that, if the law stays in effect for awhile then there is a possibility that the police will start focusing on places like CERB. The question is how long can the government keep this thing on the books before the Supreme Court rules against the new previsions.

[Tyler32 230]

I can't wait to get the PC's out of the majority. Peter MacKay is such a plug.

Put me in the pile that thinks this is not going to go through as laid out (no pun intended).

 

The provisioning of this law is just too far and broad to be rubber stamped as is.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/erin-seatter/canada-sex-work-bill_b_5459631.html