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SA what I believe WIT meant when he said 'private' is that if a lady decides for her albums to be seen by members in her friend's list only she can change her settings for other members not to be able to see them. For what Megan just said yes, there have been. She claims to have asked not to include her pictures in any of these threads. @ Cleo ... I understand your point and I agree with you, is always flattering to have someone compliment one of your features but at least my personal feeling and I believe others here too about these threads is naming them 'the best' when they could be named differently, ie. some of the beautiful bums/breasts, etc. on cerb. Adding 'some' and taking 'best' off the title would make a difference I think. I know it has been said by others that 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and it is true but I still don't agree with the term 'the best' Also as Megan pointed out I find kind of shallow dividing a woman in different parts and focusing in that and the fact that there is no one single thread about 'nice personalities on cerb' confirms that IMO. I know pictures play a big part on the decision of you guys to meet a lady but I have read in several threads from many of you that is the attitude and personality that counts the most well, that is not exactly reflected in any of those threads, is it?

Oh how some of the girls will hate me for this one... But for all the photos I have posted here, on this website promoting my services as an escort, feel free to post them anywhere you'd like on cerb. I've felt flattered to see a few of my pics in some of the best-of threads. This is a site that promotes, among other things, T & A - so YAY if you like my Ts or A enough to put them among the best. I put up photos of myself on here for people to ogle my goods and to see if they'd like to come and see the goods in purrson. I don't see how then rating the photos I've put up for inspection can be deemed derogatory. I know many of the girls do NOT feel the same as I do, and based on their reasons here I can see their sides. But I wanted to be free to say my side too, and that's to let you gents know that not all of the ladies here feel the same, and I for one say go ahead and post me in any best-of thread you'd like, it makes me happy :D Additional Comments: One thing I don't understand though - some of the threads called 'best of... on cerb' include photos of girls not on cerb. This makes no sense to me. If they're not on cerb, don't post them on cerb - seems logical, no?

That cover photo raises many thoughts, memories and concerns. It is of interest that William and Kate will be here in PEI in a few days, and since their visit was announced this winter I have had memories of the visit here of Charles and Diana, shortly after their marriage. At that time Diana was considered to be "A breath of fresh air', in the royal family and in the perception of the royals by the public. At the time my wife and I, though not royalty buffs, did go to see them in Montague and at the time we were able to be as close to them as people would be in a normal social gathering. In all honesty, it was rather an interesting experience. As the years went by and we saw the pressure that Diana was under we always wondered if she had realized what it was that she was signing on for. Now, here we are and I ask if history is repeating itself? This time it is William and Kate, and this time, two "breathes of fresh air." Since their engagement I have hoped that she does indeed know what it is that she is embarked upon. She is older than Diana was and I am in hopes that the two of them are prepared for what lies ahead. The photo then for me has raised both memories and pondering. Will I go see William and Kate when they are here in a few days. Not this time because my wife is no longer here to do that with and I suspect that times have changed and it would not be a casual mingling social as I recalled for Charles and Diana many years ago. Overall, I have to say that I find that cover photo disturbing.

It's unfortunate that Gentlman 11 didn't live up to his name and keep a private matter private as a genlteman would do. There was no need to make the mod out to be the bad guy here. If someone wants to leave the instructions are quite clear on how to close your account as is the processes for posting a new recommendation. And as Nicolette points out there is always the community it's self here ready to help at a drop of the hat , my inbox is always full of these types of questions, and I'm happy to help because I know it's taking a load off the mod's full plate and I like to help out wherever and whenever i can. In the end the decision is yours Gentleman 11, clearly many of your fellow members don't want you to leave and the mod did not ask you to leave. If you choose to stay but have issues navigating the site you now know that you can turn to the membership or senior members here who would be more than happy to help!

Gabriella I would like to say thanks for being a positive influence on such a wonderful thread that has brought many of us much joy. It doesn't surprise me knowing how comfortable you are with who you are that you support this thread. It's truly nice to see that there are wonderful ladies such as yourself that do not see any harm in this thread but fully endorse it. In my humble oppinion this thread has been very tastefully done and in no way discredites any of the ladies here on cerb. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I certainly lke what I see.

I would have thought that most guys have one or two in their wallet anyway, even if this is more in hope than expectation... might be an issue if you have a SO who checks your wallet, though. I do this, sometimes, if I'm visiting a lady before or after work. Or, as mentioned, if I want a nondescript container for something. But after I've arrived, it gets left by the door and ignored until I leave. I thought that was for the worms. But I must confess myself mystified as to why you'd take them if you were going to see a SP...

Ok, I'll take this one. You know where it says 'reputation points for this post'? If you click on it, it'll allow you to make a comment in a box that'll pop up, asking if you approve or disagree with the post. Hope that helps guys!

Me neither... was gonna ask someone someday :icon_rolleyes::oops::???:

You're totally right, those threads don't exist - although I'd think that nominating posts and the members choice kind of give that kind of honour, don't you think?

Sorry for not sending you a shout out Zoe...although I have never met you in person, I am sure you will rock his world!

Well it appears I am a little late but Soleil most certainly will make your day ... guaranteed ! She has made my day quite special on more than one occasion :wink:

This doesn't give me a lot of confidence to post albums if this is the case?

I never had any problems with people bringing some backpack and the such. Since I work from downtown Ottawa I do have a fair amount of people literally walking during their lunch break or after work to my place since it's so close to their work and they bring their brifcase/backpack with them... Also if a gentlemen is bringing some wine and a gift for the lady it's always easier to "hide" it in a backpack then just carry it bare hand. If he happen to meet someone he know while walking/going to the lady incall it could be awkward to explain why he does have some wine and a gift bag in his hand, especially if he is married/in a relationship and the said friend know the wife/spouse

Exactly. The time a gentleman spends with a lady, even for the first time, should feel special for that gentleman. If he sees her again, and becomes a regular, and a "relationship" (for lack of a better word) develops, that in and of itself should be the only reward. He shouldn't expect discounts, only that he is going to meet a lady he knows and likes. He has to also be aware at the same time that he isn't the only client, (and she will treat her other clients the same) and this is the lady's livelihood, and respect that, just as she should respect he may be seeing other escorts Hope that comes out right RG Additional Comments: Because this is like no other industry. What other industry (and term only used because you used it) involves just two (ok, maybe three) people alone together intimately. And sharing things that they may be afraid to share with their so's/gf's. And if you were on a board about another industry posting comments about it, you wouldn't use the phrase I love you all. If, and if a lady wants to provide preferred customer status to a client, it's up to her, but a client, new or repeat shouldn't expect or request it. He should, IMHO want to see that lady just because he wants to see her, not because he expects a discount at some future date As I see it RG

Personally as a mature SP I believe my age has helped me for every age bracket client. 1- younger gents in thier 20's love the cougar experience. 2- clients in their 30's and 40's like a lady slightly older or younger. 3- clients in thier 50's, 60's and beyond think I am a babe so it's win, win for me. :icon_smile: No need at all to lie about my age. If anyone asks I tell the truth, as previously stated there is nothing worse than someone having an expectation only to be met at the door and be disappointed. Not a great way to start a date!

I'm not. I've made it clear that I would prefer my photos not be used in these threads, but it continues.

Actually this thread was also useful for you to have feedback from hobbyists and prevent receiving a zillion calls about the same issue (and you would have had to provide the same explanation a zillion times).

I am only nice now if I want to be, not because others try to guilt me into it. I used to be a hopeless people pleaser, putting others' needs before my own and then ending up hurting myself. The only thing I got to do was play victim and that didn't feel very good. Now days, I a much more mellow. I can usually read people and tell if they have an agenda to wanting me to be nice or do things for them. When I've had enough, my comeback line is "you obviously mistook my kindness for stupidity". I try not to let it build to the point where I become resentful and angry because as Dear Abby used to say "no one can take advantage of you, without your permission". Nice thread, Meg.

Purrhaps don't stop, but don't be offended/upset/whatever when the lady tells you she will only use her own. If you'd really rather bring your own, the best thing to do would be to let the lady know beforehand - so you know if this is something she will accept or not. I, so far, have only experienced gentlemen while in this business. And I genuiniely think cerb contains mostly gentlemen. So you gentlemen may think ladies are being paranoid about certain things, like condoms. But honestly - it takes one psychopath to decide to poke a hole in that condom, and my livelihood, and potentially my life, is out the window. You gentlemen get to view our websites, rate us, review us - but we don't get to do the same for you. So some of your 'preparations' really should be left up to us. I'm with the girls earlier - if you showed up at my door with a big duffel bag, you wouldn't get past the peephole. Sorry.

Not a fan of this idea at all. I've heard items of someone else's "kit", and the things he adds is quite alarming. I pity the poor amp girls he makes go along with this stuff. He has started bring pheromone spray as well, and I have no idea what next he is going to try to make them go along with. Some of the things just seemed like fake ways to make a 45 minute paid for session turn into an hour, no other way to get the girl to set up the cd player, put on black stockings and blue eye shadow, and open a new toy (some sex device he requires her to use) and on and on and on. This is the kind of thing for me personally would make me think you were a nut job, regardless of what might be in there, the only thing I'd be thinking of is this dummy with the chinese music playing while he wears the silk robe he also brings in the kit bag. You can go too far with these "lists" lol.

Ok here I go. I know some will not agree with this but it has been in my mind for a while now and I just have to get it out! I know in cerb as long as nothing negative is said there is freedom of speech so by no means this is an attempt from me to stop this but just me showing another side of the coin, a woman's perspective and boy that can be complicated so get ready guys. For months I have been reading or sometimes just seeing in the main index all the 'best whatever' threads and I often think 'The best according to who?' obviously according to whoever posted it but my point is in order to know what or who the best is you would have to try them all right? In my dictionary the best is very relative as we all have different tastes which means definition of best varies from one person to another and what is best for me may very likely not be for someone else. I have a point I promise. I know us ladies on cerb are confident enough not to let this 'best' threads bother us as we are aware of the fact that each of us is a different individual with characteristics and skills that make us all unique but I still find naming someone the best kind of shallow. Yes, of course us ladies feel flattered with the compliments we receive but I think this can be left in the picture comments and recommendations area. I know this may and very likely will not change anything or stop you guys from posting on those threads but that's not my goal anyway but you understanding a litle more the way we or at least I feel. In the end as much as as I said these 'best' threads have been in my mind for a while it was actually a comment in a recommendation I read yesterday that made me write this and I know the guy who wrote it meant nothing else but complementing the lady he was talking about but I found it a little too extreme so I'll quote him ' she is the way all women should be' seriously?? I may be overreacting but find this comment kind of extreme. The fact that to him this lady is what he was looking for in an escort or/and a great experience for him does not mean us other women should be like her. Am I taking this too literally? Possibly but still needed to get it out. Thanks to those who read this!! xoxo

One thing that I always find amazing is when I make a purchace in a store, especially the grocery store. I greet the cashier with a smile and hello and most times he or she totally ignores me. When it's time for me to pay no words are spoken, I can see my total, then I pay in cash or pass my credit card. The entire transaction is completed without one word. Once in awhile I will say loudly, " thank you very much or have a nice day". Still nothing. What is going on and how automated is society these days? I love the pleasantries of life and it always makes my day when I meet someone walking and they greet me with a hello and a smile. Sadly these momemts are getting less and less. :icon_sad:

Yes... Deodorant ;)

Freudian slip or do you have some really cool garter attachment that you like to wear and if so what other sizes does it come in? ;)

I believe in a few common courtesies I rarely see practiced anymore. 1.) When an elderly person or pregnant lady gets on the bus, I find I'm usually the only one to offer my seat. This frustrates me to no end. 2.) When visiting someone's home, for God's sake, don't ever show up empty-handed. Especially if you're staying a few days! Whether it be a bottle of wine to a dinner party, a fabulous dessert to a barbeque or even just a coffee for a visit; I always bring something. 3.) When ever ANYONE on the road does me a favour (lets me in, allows me to proceed before them etc.) I ALWAYS wave. I can't get over how many people don't. 4.) Yes please, No thank you and You're Welcome!

I ask for the donation up front and I have never ripped off a client. But when I was first in the business, I fell for that old "showing me the money up front, and promising to pay" and then either not paying me or shorting me. Anyone who wants to do that, I would refuse to see. So that wouldn't work for me. I do have a few regular clients who I know would be "good for it" at the end, but my practice of taking care of business up front, prevents me or him from forgetting it. I like to stick to a routine that has worked for me for over 10 years. I think Nicki and Cleo echo my sentiments. Anyone SP worth her reputation wouldn't rip you off. Not sure who exactly you have gone to see, but if any ladies on cerb pulled a stunt like that, they would be quickly found out. To the OP, trust what the guys (and gals) are telling you here.

In my opinion I think that any kind of "prefered customer status" is a bad idea. I am in total agreement with Malika, Roamingguy, Angela and Cleo. The underlying reason for meeting on a regular basis should be based on respect, chemistry, fun and how a SP made you feel (not on a monetary value). If the first meeting was great then future meetings should be allowed to develop naturally. Personally if I saw such a "preferred client" program I would not book with that person, it would a huge turn off for me (knowing I will be tracked/counted/graded everytime I walk through the door - no thank you). I don't even like to like to track my air miles points :-) let alone would want to have to track "other" types of points (or worse yet have to get a card stamped each time as Cleo jokingly suggested). Any sales person will tell you clients who are only shopping around for discounts are generally not worth taking on and will not be loyal for long. There are many beautiful ladies on this site who have profiles, pictures and postings that should give someone a good indication of what level of chemistry to expect. To elaborate on Malika's earlier post, either the chemistry is there or it is not there - on a personal level.

I don't really have a "preferred customer status" but I will admit that sometimes my availability depends on how much I like you (though not always, I'm a busy lady!) :)

Gentleman11, I thought for long and hard whether to post anything as I believe this is your personal decision. At the end I decided to post briefly. Mod is fair and neutral and there are certain rules he has to enforce. That is his job. For cerb to remain what it is, that is a civil respectful friendly society with large number of members and a variety of views and ideas to coexist, he has to remain fair and neutral and enforce those rules strickly. In doing so, sometimes he may become unpopular with some members but that is the price that he gladly pays. You will never find another board so civil and caring. I quit terb 1.5 years ago because the mods there were not in my view enforcing the rules. I found that board distasteful. I was hurt to read hurtful reviews against some ladies who were trying to make a living in these difficult times (remember I said hurtful reviews on terb and plenty not fair reviews or even negative reviews) and personal attacks and pimp-like lies and attacks by certain agencies and members on other members. I am sure that I speak for the majority to say that WE DO NOT WISH TO SEE CERB LIKE THAT. And we accept the rules and do our best to obey by them and if we break them we will be suspended or even banned as we have seen recently very popular members have been suspended. It is a fair board and rules applies equally to everyone. I have been suspended too and on one occasion I was exactly where you are now. I emailed mod asking him to remove my handle from cerb. In his fairness and integrity he did not do that. He suspended me for two weeks and told me if after two weeks I still wanted out he will grant my wish. In those two weeks my mind cooled off and I realize what I said above that he was right to suspend me and he is doing his job (and he is doing a great job in my view) to keep cerb the place that it is now. A very friendly family like, caring, respectful civil society. I hope you reconsider your decision. Ask mod for a couple of weeks to think about it instead of making a rush decision but the decision is entirely yours and if my comments in any way offends you, I apologize in advance. Best Regards and good luck in making a right decision,

GM 11. One of the features that appears to be special about Cerb is the manner in which it allows such open and free communication while at the same time is moderated to ensure that mutual respect between members is maintained. For each of us we make our own informed decisions regarding participation, what form that participation will be and to what degree. It is the varied nature of the contributions in the forums that takes our interest and provides opportunity to learn more about the industry, and ourselves. At one point I made exactly the same choice as you made, though I am confident for a very different reason, but it took only a very short period of time for me to realize that it was the wrong decision for me at that time. Whatever you decide to do, best wishes, but it would be nice to continue to see your contributions here continue.

Gent11 I can't comment about your differences with Mod as I think none of that has been discussed publicly but I suggest you reconsider not only because you will be missed but because IMO this is one of the most respectful forums I have known of in this industry, in fact the only one I participate in. Differences of opinion is something we deal with everyday in our personal & professional lives but I think as long as handled with respect and maturity it can be bearable. I believe many here including myself at a point have disagreed with something mod does or says and again it can be said and even discussed with him as long as done with respect. In the end as I was actually recently discussing with someone he might be doing something right where this remains a positive community in many aspects. So G11 I invite you to put all in a balance and think if you can let those 'differences' go and in return be part of a community where you can discuss different topics, learn from them, contribute and of course do something you enjoy (meeting ladies) in a safe way. I hope you do stay but if you find at this moment cerb is not the place for you. I wish you all the best!!

I don't really know if it's my place to give my two cents, but I'll drop my two cents anyways.... First off, I respect both sides of the coin. This post isn't meant to state that either side is wrong or right, I'm just giving my opinion. I'm not going to lie and say guys only care solely about things like personality, because that's probably not true. Most men are visual creatures and are attracted to certain physical characteristics. Now, I'm not saying each guy is attracted to the same thing, because that's just not true. Just because one guy likes apples and another guy likes oranges, doesn't mean either is wrong, in fact each guy is right. At first to be honest, I didn't think there wasn't a problem with a "Best of Threads". This thread though gave me insight on the other side of the coin. And after seeing it from another persons perspective, I agree that these types of threads aren't the best thing for this community as a whole. Let's say you are infatuated with an escort, we shall call her J-Lo. If you want to let the CERB world know why you think she is great, write a reco for her. That does two things 1) It lets you express to the CERB world what attracts you to J-Lo. 2) Writing a reco doesn't compare her to the other SP's. Now think about if instead of writing a reco, you write a "Best of What an SP Should Look Like" Thread. Yes it does let you express to CERB what attracts you to an SP. But then at the same time you are... 1) By saying it's the BEST, any girl who isn't athletic, tanned, or has a butt like J-Lo might feel insecure now. It likely won't faze all girls (most of the girls on CERB are tough like chocolate chip cookies from Starbucks, not weak like Tim Horton's tea biscuits), but indirectly some MIGHT feel less confident, less appreciated, less attractive, or just not up to par. 2) Setting a standard that is almost impossible to attain. Think about a lady who is thinking about maybe becoming an escort and lurks thru the forums. Reading these types of thread might have a negative impact on her decision. She might think she is not good enough and decide escorting isn't for her. So you might even have a negative impact on the market. Now, to combat the rebuttal, "If you don't like it, don't read it". Yes, theoretically that makes sense. But let's be realistic people. These threads are like watching an eclipse. You know you aren't suppose to look at the sun when it's going on, but don't you take a peak anyways? (maybe that's why I enjoy colouring so much). Why do you think Christopher Columbus searched for new land, why did we send Neil Armstrong to the moon, and why did Lebron James take his talents to South Beach? Humans are just curious people, we're always poking our nose where we know we shouldn't look. Think about it guys, how would we like it if the SP's created a thread like... "Who has the best abs?" "Which client has the biggest, thickest, most bad-ass mother f*cking d*ck?" "Which client is like Super Mario and has the best pipes?" "Which client sings like Justin Bieber?" I think we can all agree if these threads existed, yes we would hate, but it's likely we probably would lurk in them. We would have this false hope that we might be mentioned, and then when we lurk & find out we aren't.... let's be honest, at least to me, I would feel like poo. Yes, dirty, stanky poo. That's not a good feeling gents. I might even feel less willing to now visit an SP, because I'm now not fitting her standards, because she's receiving so much better from other clients. Guys you are free to post what you want, and say what you like in a lady, I just think there's a time & a place for it, and I don't think these "Best of Threads" are the place for it. I know you guys are all good, honest, caring people and it isn't your intention to hurt these ladies, but these threads can indirectly be demeaning to the lovely ladies of CERB. An example of this is like the numerous magazines you might see in the grocery store. These magazine editors might think they are doing great things letting the world know how hot Aylssa Milano, Angelina Jolie, or the list goes on is. But at the same time, I can only imagine the poor thoughts running thru the little teenage girl who walks past the magazine stand and negative thoughts that might scatter into her head thinking things like she isn't thin enough, or not big enough boobs, or stupid superficial shit like that. Now, I'm sure the magazine editor doesn't have the intention of harming these poor teenage girls, but he/she is indirectly doing that. But at least the magazine editor has an excuse (not a good excuse, but an excuse, lol), it is their job, and they make money of it. Now think about that guys next time you post these types of threads. You are indirectly doing a lot of harm, and to be honest, if you aren't a magazine editor, what are you really standing to gain by doing these types of threads? Lastly, this post wasn't meant to attack anybody. I just wanted to give my two cents. The ladies of CERB are strong, wonderful, great ladies, I just think we should stop trying to break them down like car parts. Any lady will have flaws if you break them down a million times. But if you just stop in the moment, take a full step back, I think you will be left speechless, because each lady in her own right is absolutely beautiful when all the puzzle pieces are put together as one...

Wow, mod! Not only did you create a new section for Brandon, but you took a crapload of time and moved over the applicable posts, even teh recommendations!! :bigclap:ALL HAIL THE MOD!:bigclap: I don't care what others say about, I still like you! :wink:

"Everyone" is a much less reliable source of information than they appear to be. "Everyone" knows that women over 30 can't be successful paid companions, which is nonsense. And "everyone" also knows that the only companions with any hope of making a living look like perfectly airbrushed Barbie dolls--also not true. "Everyone" assumes that all men want the same thing, when the truth is that most men want different things in different combinations at different times. Telling the truth is the best way to be sure that the men who come to see us will be happy clients: truth in advertising has that effect.

Seriously Folks, CERB is the one board where the ladies and men actually have a community, where we can share our stories and enjoy each other's company. IF you don't believe, check out the other boards and the trash that is often times posted on those sites, with a fair bit of the trash talk aimed at the ladies.... Let's not get too dramatic or read more into these threads than the simple fact we do them as a way to show our appreciation for the lovely ladies on CERB. The Best of Threads are all meant in good taste, and were never meant to demean or disparage any of the ladies....... It's all good......... Where is OLD DOG when you need him...... SNK

Thank you for your post. I have no problem in turning down clients if I feel we are not a good fit. If I took on every client who wanted to see me and took the attitude "the client is always right" I would be a very miserable massage provider. I love what I do because I do what I enjoy only, and I seek out the right clients.

Oh good god man you really need to get some perspective. Before you go off on some tangent of the customer is always right you should remember that every business is a people business. Stephen Covey one of the most respected authors in the business world wrote in his book 7 habits of highly effective people that business dedicated almost half the book to what the ladies are trying to say. Three of his key points are think win/win or no deal, seek first to understand, then to be understood and synergize. So before you start lecturing these ladies on business learn a bit yourself. I get paid more an hour than many of the sp's here and I fire clients who have a know it all I am the client attitude. There are always clients who are more fun to do business with. Ladies you can read into that my meaning. Don't you dare tell these ladies that because of the service they provide and by the way you use that there feelings or Beliefs don't matter. Even the men on your side if the argument have not taken it that far. These ladies know why we are here and provide great service our part of the win win is to treat them with the respect that any woman deserves.

While I agree with you 100% Megan, I am going to take the realistic approach here. Men are visual creatures, no ifs ands or buts. Women take great care and pride in their appearance; we coordinate our outfits, add accessories, take care with hair and makeup but yet those admiring glances you get out in public are more than likely based on one of your assets not the whole. Men tend to appreciate the "whole" woman once they have established a rapport. We supply a fantasy and if their fantasy is my ass then so be it! I only expect my friends and SO to admire the real me :) But I still do wish it were different; one can dream!

I've really enjoyed this vigorous exchange, and thank all participants for it. A few concluding remarks from me (really, this time, it's my last word on the subject). These are meant respectfully, and not as a provocation. In any case, I won't be responding further. I don't want my contributions here to be misconstrued. I have of course started picture threads (not all of them, but some) on here, but they're just a small proportion of the 73 threads that I've initiated on cerb, most of which are recommendations and the like. The picture threads happen to be popular, and in the case of Best Bums, highly popular. But there were far more raucous and uninhibited discussions of female body parts on cerb long before I started the "Best bums' thread, long before I was active on cerb. You only have to do a search, for example in the Ottawa escort discussion section under "Best butts" and even "Best face", which were discussions more than pictures, but, as I understand it, worked along the same lines that some people are objecting to here, since they focused on aspects of beauty in apparent isolation. So it's a long-standing tradition here. Is it a good one? I have yet to be convinced of its faults. No one, as far as I know, sees ONLY the body part, Megan, but sees it as precisely a part of a beautiful woman. A sexy and arousing image, yes, as it's supposed to be if the advertising the sp's are doing is working. And we respond to that. I wonder if Berlin could please clarify why it's OK for an sp to post a picture of her breasts or bum or whatever as advertising, but not OK for a hobbyist to post the very same picture as exciting, excellent, arousing, whatever? I can't see what the distinction is that you're driving at. And surely that's the effect you want to have. As to the claim of exclusivity, Berlin, I don't understand how it is supposed to operate. Who is doing the alleged censorship in this wide-open community? Is anyone prevented from posting a pic they find interesting or worthwhile (or wankable, if you prefer)? If there's a cluster of a certain body type or types that occurs more often than others, surely that's just a matter of the preferences of those who happen to post (not necessarily of the community as a whole), but ANYONE is welcome to post; and if they don't, how is that the fault of those who do? There were complaints last year about what some people saw as the predominance of spinners on this board, and I answered then in the same spirit I answer now, in defence of openness and of not being confined in a narrow orthodoxy. I want the maximum diversity and variety on this board. I have my own preferences, but they're just that, and I don't want to restrict anyone's expression on here. If others have different preferences, let them be expressed. That will make us a more robust community. I hope that people will take these remarks in the spirit that they're intended in, not as an argument but as a conversation. I'm sure the conversation will continue, but I've said all that I mean to on this subject.

Lefty, I have to disagree with you this. I don't think that the appeal of physical attraction ever diminishes - we just work out that there's... more, that it's not the be-all and end-all. Certainly I wouldn't want to believe I'd ever stop appreciating beauty when I see it. Nevertheless, when you meet someone new, what you see is often the most significant factor in making your *first* impressions, whether it's the smile of the bum or the eyes or the whole package, simply because it's the first bit of information you receive and process. Maybe you saw someone's pics online; maybe your eyes met across a crowded room; vision is just... longer range than your other senses, and so it gets the first shot and everything else is playing catch-up thereafter. I'm inclined to think one of the only common exceptions to that is forums such as this, where you're likely to read someone's posts first. Also, apologies for the threadjack - Mod, feel free to put this in a thread of its own if appropriate...

My argument is NOT that if women are doing it, it must be alright. It's rather that the women are posting attractive pics on here precisely in order to win attention, and rightly so. It's the first step in getting to know the whole package, which I like too, and not just specific parts. The threads are an appropriate response in which we show our appreciation for what the women have posted.

As the major perpetrator of the best bums thread, and also an avid admirer of Megan (as I have stated many times on here), I feel called upon to respond. I don't see these threads as dehumanising at all, but rather as celebrating beauty. They aren't implying that the woman is ONLY this aspect, but that it's a particularly beautiful or attractive aspect, and worthy of praise in itself. It's an invitation, if members want to follow up, to get to know and admire that whole person, not to demean anyone in any way. And it's a thank-you to the women who post their sexy pics on here for us to admire, and to arouse our interest, shall we say? An anecdote: when I first met Megan a couple of years ago, I was captivated by her beauty and stage presence. The more I got to know her, the more I liked her, but that initial spark that made her stand out for me, prompted me, of course, to take the next step. It's obvious that with limited time and limited information, we make choices about who to approach based on signals that we happen to value or which suggest to us the likelihood of a good outcome. And our women members in turn select pictures to post that show them off to best advantage. This is what the threads are reflecting, not any devaluation of any person, but just the opposite. I agree, too, that they shouldn't be seen as competitions (I make an exception for our celebrity redhead polls), but as endorsements.

I don't find "the best of threads" to be entertaining or even interesting enough to say that I have ever looked at one. In fact when I see a thread entitled "The best ear lobe or the best ankle" or whatever body part is in vogue that day I always take a pass. They just don't interest me...at all! However, there are those among us who find threads like this to be useful, entertaining or whatever. Since they aren't violating any Cerb rules I don't see what can be done about them. Nor do I think anything should be done about them, because they aren't violating any rules. One possible solution if anyone takes offense to these threads is to not read them! Whenever you see the words "The best ____ on Cerb" just carry on and don't bother reading or commenting on that thread. This policy could work on any thread topic that does not interest you, be it "the best of" to surveys to your favorite colour threads.

It is slightly dehumanizing to be reduced to a sum of parts.