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When my children were small and I had custody of 6 children under the age of 8, my husband and I made a combined income of $21 600 annually. I don't know if we qualified for welfare as it never occured to me to ask for it. Fast forward a decade and I was deported to Canada with nothing but a box of books, a track suit with runners, $23 and toothbrush. I lived on the street for about 2 months then got my car from the US and lived in it for 6 months. This time I considered asking for help but decided against it. I did what I had to do to put a roof over my head and move on. During my 8 months I met a variety of people that to this day I am in awe of. Before I had my car, the kids on the streets of Ottawa watched my back. They gave me a coat, fed me at times and sometimes offered me sanctuary with them at night when I had no where else to go. This was where I learned about homeless dogs. Once I had my car, I had somewhere to sleep but often had to choose between gas and food. People with almost nothing shared what they had with me. I hung out in the St.Laurent/Donald St area and I was welcomed to eat with people who obviously were on assistance by what they put on the table. I made friends and I was amazed at their willingness to help me when they had so little. I still keep in touch with some of these people, the ones who have hung on to my phone number and they know if they ever need me, I'm there. Are there people who milk the system? Perhaps but I will not stand in judgment as I know looks are deceiving. People meet me all the time and assume I am well set. Little do they know that the label clothing is all from thrift stores and my entire apartment was furnished with used everything. I have times when I struggle to cover the basics and the rest of the time, I make ends meet. My life isn't easy even tho many people think so. Until I have the power to walk in someone elses shoes, I will not be so grand as to think I know or understand their struggles and I will not assume someone is a parasite until I have complete information to make that kind of decision. It's easy to sit in front of our computers and discuss with distain those that need the safety nets we as a country have chosen to provide. It's harder to try to understand or even show trace empathy for those need help. No system is perfect but I'm glad we have what we do... cat

This is really contested subject because of complexities of it all. However, I don't believe that people choose to live on social assistance because in Ontario that is just not doable (you get around 350-400 for rent and the rest of the money which is around 200-300 for groceries, etc). A place (even just a room) for 250-400 does not exist, especially in London. Also, since most months average about 3-4 weeks and to have only 100/week to spend on groceries, public transportation, and other items one may need (medication, emergency money), 350-400 is just not enough to last for the month. Again, this amount mentioned is just for single people with no dependents and with no medical illnesses including addiction, mental health issues, which may or may not develop after experiencing these life changing situations and challenges. Also, once someone who is on social assistance is able to find a job, half of every dollar earned will be deducted while on social assistance (and that's if one finds a job.. remember employment rates, especially in London, have been rising or have made no change over the last year). So that means, one cannot even save money once on social assistance in order to get off of social assistance. In addition to the problem with unemployment rates, the actual amount received by those on social assistance is below the low income cut off rate (meaning, these people earn less than those who are considered to be on the lowest end of the poverty scale). Then on top of this, in order to qualify for social assistance, you cannot own a house, own a car, have no amount of money in savings, and have no credit, so this idea that these programs are there for individuals who just need "a bit of help" to get back on their feet is wrong--one does not receive social assistance unless they are literally below the lowest, as indicated earlier, on the lowest income cut off scale, and in dire need of assistance, are homeless or already experiencing homelessness. Then there are a bunch of other factors on who is able to access programs or who can qualify for other programs that are there to help individuals and families. Factors that are not always readily apparent. To the OP: I appreciate your concern and rant. It can be frustrating to see this happening but I believe actually understanding the entire picture of social assistance and how it works, who can actually get it, and how does one get off of it (which is like never because I indicated earlier that one cannot even have credit, money in savings, or save money to help get off of social assistance) may help with understanding the greater issue. I also can't see how or why some people would enjoy living on social assistance since it is about the demeaning thing in the world because it is a very intrusive system: having to show how poor your are, or how homeless you are. So I find it very hard to believe that some people "enjoy" living month to month on a one-time pay cheque. Yet, that is just my personal opinion. And I commend Cat for sharing her courageous story! You, like many others here, are an amazing person, inside and out :) Xo Here is an interesting blog post on this subject http://blog.211ontario.ca/2011/07/understanding-homelessness-in-ontario/ and the fellow mentioned in this subject does a lot of great work for advocating for those experiencing homelessness or who are homeless in London :)

I just got accepted to York University's Master's program in Women, Feminist and Gender Studies for September 2013!!!! Highlight of the day? More like highlight of the year! I AM SO EXCITED I COULD BURST. When I called my parents to tell them, I was crying with joy. I kid you not. My mom was like, why are you crying and I was like, BECAUSE I'M SO HAPPY!

Dude. You'd be creating a situation where you exert power over her, and she's required to have sex with you according to a schedule or else you can threaten to take away her home. It wouldn't matter that you'd found someone foolish enough to sign such an agreement on some particularly dark day. What happens when she changes her mind about the service? What if you no longer "like" her? She has to leave her home because she's not servicing you? And what if she was so desperate that she had nowhere else to go and is afraid to say "no" or she'll be kicked out; she's now your monthly sex slave? Do not do this. Do not even consider putting another person in such a horrible situation. Additional Comments: Oh for fuck's sake.

There's of course no one blanket answer to the whole problem of people dependent upon assistance. Let's at least start by recognizing that there are many groups here: a) Yeah sure, those who are dependent on social assistance and wouldn't change even if they could. These are the folks that people talk about 'til their head bursts and who give the system a bad name. Then again -- capitalism, baby! Make the minimum investment for maximum possible return and screw everyone else and any sense of a larger duty to the society around you. Aren't these people doing exactly what our greed-based economy teaches them to do, and what we reward corporations for doing all the time? b) A set of people who are dependent and would like to escape, but don't know how and have no examples to follow; also, those who don't have the personal, internal intellectual or emotional resources to change. We need programs to reach out to these people and offer a path to better themselves. I personally think this accounts for a very large segment indeed. We who function in society forget how intimidating it is, and how insurmountable its minimum demands can seem when they've been outside your reach your entire life. c) The set of people who are capable of change, but whose circumstances prevent it. As an example: divorced single parents now struggling to care for kids they had in better times, and for whom jobs are unmanageable because they would cost more than they would bring in (daycare costs, transportation, a long series of things impossible to manage when you're isolated). There are people who manage to rise out of these circumstances despite the difficulties, and that's awesome. My own family worked hard to overcome humble beginnings. But let's not be too quick to judge those who are still struggling with the challenge. And when we're tempted to ask "gawd, how can they continue to live such tragic and unfulfilled lives?", maybe we should also ask: how do some people linger so long in sexless or loveless marriages? Financial self-neglect; emotional self-neglect. See, sometimes change is too terrifying, or the expected financial or social cost of change just seems too high. People get paralyzed in bad circumstances all the time. I try not to judge either case. As black and white as it looks from the outside, we just don't know all the circumstances. Who'll cast the first stone?

Cristy, I do not want to start an argument or fight with you but I have to say a a few things. As far as your comment regarding welfare recipients driving escalades, that is so ridiculous. I'm not saying that the statement is false because whoever is driving that escalade is either supplementing their income from some other illegal activity or it is someone who was doing very well in life and has fell hard and fast. To suggest that someone can afford an escalade on social assistance is just so ridiculous I can't find words for it. My guess is that you heard a story about someone who's probably getting welfare illegally and you blanket the whole community with the story of this person (or people) who scam the welfare system, it is not the majority I assure you. You're sadly misinformed, do some research and see what a single person or mother of 1,2,3 make on welfare, it's not a lot. Don't waste your time being angry at or envying the people on welfare. Couple other things, I agree we are all judgemental but I also believe your post was judgmental, it was like the first post that followed said, a rant. You're entitled to your opinion but just call it what it was. Additional Comments: RIGHT!!! But....you're blanketing the entire community with the actions of some criminals. In my opinion that is wrong. There are bad cops, bad lawyers, bad doctors. There are scumbags in every part of society, I just think it's wrong to judge the entire welfare community by the actions of these criminals. So are you saying that 65%(not a chance) of the community Emily lives in are living extravagantly? People who legally and legitimately live on welfare live below the poverty line. That is a fact!

Frankly I support the concept of a guaranteed annual income. Every person starting at age 16 receives x amount of money on January 1 of the each year. Not a pittance but not a bazillion dollars either, each year a calculation would be made to set that number. Enough to live on but that would be all, no EI, or welfare, no other assistance of any kind. There would be no tax exemptions but there would be no income tax on this amount and no means test to qualify. Those who chose to earn more would not be penalized and would still receive the guarantee. By eliminating all the government departments, agencies and NGO's that oversee the current social programming municipally, provincially and federally I'm pretty sure I would have plenty of dough to pay for it.....and more. Seems simple to me.....but then again maybe it's me who's simple :) Peace MG

Thanks for sharing Cat. It was informative to read your experience If you don't mind me asking: Why did you decide against asking for help? Would you have asked for government assistance if you knew it would take 8 months to get off the street? --- It's interesting to read your story and contrast it to my dad. He was a refugee of war. Homeless and with a bag of a few things, he sold everything except the clothes he wore. He was responsible for two of his sisters and baby brother, and worked bizarrely odd jobs to get them into this "house". This was a third world country, so social services were non-existent, but he did sometimes eat in mosques and churches when there was food. He got his break when he became a tea-boy (chai-wala) for a cement factory, where the plant manager admired his work ethics. After three years working there, and doing every job he could find to possibly rise up the ranks, the manager recommended he apply for a job in another country; another very entry level position, but she thought it would be the best thing for his life. He rose through the ranks of this conglomerate (can't say what it is for privacy) and almost reached the very top before he retired well before 65. I was born when things started to turn around for my parents, so I never knew that life. But while I usually take a softer approach to welfare and social assistance, my dad is much more 'conservative' (if that is the right word). His reason is the experience that defined his career (if he could do it, why can no one else). He considers himself of average intelligence, with no particular talent that sets him apart. But he throws everything he has on whatever task he sets his mind to. To him, absolute sacrifice, humility, and hard work is required before help is given in situations of poverty. Anything less shows a lack of dedication to see it through. I'm not advocating that his position on the matter is correct, or challenging the basis of anyone's values. It's just been enlightening to see people come from poverty to have wildly different views on the subject.

If the Devil would take her, I'd thank him for his pain! LOL

It's something I've never understood and I've learned that asking "Why do people ________?" questions is a waste of my time and energy. I leave answering the unanswerable for those who must have a better understanding than I about the workings of the human mind. The only thing I allow myself to get frustrated about is when I DROP THE BALL. It's the only thing I truly have control over. As for the homeless owning dogs, I feel very differently than Emily. The most balanced and stable dogs I've ever met belonged to the homeless. Dogs don't need fancy coats or fancy food. They are not status symbols or a child. They need a pack, they need to move, they need to know what their leader expects of them and they need to know their leader will provide. Hunger isn't a prevailing concern for dogs, instinctively they need to be hungry for most of the day. I've seen homeless people feed their dogs before they eat which is a level of committment that most pet owners don't have. They don't need a consistently warm environment, they are designed to live outside. They don't need a sterile environment, they have an admirable immunity built in. They don't need store bought toys unless they are bored which homeless dogs never are. Compared to the city dog owners I have met, I would give a dog to a homeless person before the typical pet owner, myself included... cat

I haven't wrote anything like this since high school. This is a poem I wrote the other night. I am curious what people are going to think its got a hidden twist. TORN I long for you every day and night. As I gaze into your eyes I see the light. I realize I Cannot be with you cause it ain't right. Flirting with you is a dangerous game, For I don't know if you feel the same. I'm tired of living life in vain. My desire for you grows strong. You are my salvation I crave for so long. I just don't know that we belong. Even though you're my fantasy. I know I cannot let it become reality. Society would not accept another casualty. You've cost me everything. But without I'm nothing. In the end I'm still hurting. I see other woman to help forget. So please don't object. I haven't met anyone yet. I cannot speak your name. People will think I'm insane. You're my only thoughts in my brain.

And I don't just mean more reviews and advertisers--but of course that would be welcome! I wish for a Cerb-perspective on the Montreal scene. I just find the atmosphere here so much more pleasant than the other boards that cover Montreal and Quebec City. The Green Board is like a grim prison movie: it's jam-packed with characters, but really run by couple different gangs with long scores to settle. The "guards" are swift and severe, but there's still tons of violence that gets out of hand way too fast and there's plenty of outright misogyny toward the handful of women brave enough to maintain a public presence there. The Blue Board is like a Michael Moore movie: they hate the green board and that's really all that is important. The Pink Board is in French, so it's easy to say it's like a Foreign Movie in that I'm not exactly sure what is going on, but there's likely to be some toplessness, a trip to a rustic summer home, and the villain from "Quantum of Solace will probably show up at some point. Hmm, maybe I sacrificed my metaphor for a few cheap jokes there. Anyway, for a lot of reasons Montreal is my preferred destination, but this my preferred board.

She is a fairly new member who advertises here. Not often that we get a new member who already has her own review on CowboyKennyy's site http://www.cowboysdiary.info/wordpress CowboyKenny rocks!!!

Why don't you conventionally rent out the room to a conventional tenant Use your rental income to partake in this lifestyle This idea sounds bad. If the SP has to find a incall location since she can't use the condo , then she leaves the condo, (her "home" btw) to conduct business...remember, this for guys is an escape, but for the ladies, it is their livelihood, their work. Now everyone needs a place to go, a place they call home, to escape work and the outside world. Your proposed arrangement means for the lady who would accept it, when she is out she is likely practicing her profession. But when she comes to her so called "home" to her room in this condo, she needs to still be an SP, or risk being evicted (that's something nice hanging over her head always) so she has no escape from her working world Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like you want a sexual partner you can control and she is completely dependent on you My vote, don't RG

Darling, if you want to live with a woman, get a bit of sex from her and officialize this with a contract, might as well just get married...joke joke! ;b But honestly, what if she doesn't respect the terms of your contract? Good luck fighting that in court...Don't forget that she would be considered as a tenant and therefore would have rights.

I'm sure with the right SP it could be an excellent arrangement but you need to find someone who is trustworthy, honors her word, responsible and appreciative of the opportunity. If you find a girl like this, chances are she can put a roof over her head on her own. The girls that this offer would attract would be more trouble than convenient. At $250 a session that would mean she's paying $1000 to $1250 a month depending, she could rent her own place for less and not have a man have a key which allows him to walk in anytime. Our living space is our sanctuary and needs to be a soft, safe place to land after a bad day. She would infact be sharing her space with you even if you don't live there. Again, a woman with the characteristics I've listed above would hesitate to place herself in this kind of arrangement with an unknown man. The two of you would need to have an excellent relationship before hand if you expect her to trust you enough to follow thru with this... cat

Danger Will Robinson, DANGER... cat

No problem at all Cristy. You seem like a lovely, thoughtful and intelligent woman. Truth be told, it makes me very sad to hear that you feel that way. It's not uncommon though. I think many people have gone through their lives being taken advantage of or treated poorly or just seen too much suffering. You start to feel that everyone has an angle or and ulterior motive or is just trying to get something from you. Perhaps I'm naive for a man my age but as someone who likes to help others and always assumes the best of people, it still affects me deeply when my good intentions are questioned. I understand how people who have been used in the past might feel that way but it's painful to be painted by the same brush. Perhaps that's why I'm so careful not to make generalizations about groups of people. I wouldn't want to do that to someone else either.

Thank you for your kind words. If I read them thru my natural filter, they seem complimentary and genuine. If I choose to read them thru a jade hued filter where people are dishonest and untrustworthy, they would seem like smoke being blown up my ass which is a fetish I charge a substantial extra fee for. Those who know me will know which filter I truly use. That said... I do not see how anyone can know what is in another's heart and mind therefore I cannot presume I'm in a position to judge them. Perhaps if it was a situation I had knowledge of all the details of the abuse, I may feel differently but having been painted several times in my life with a wide paintbrush I have learned that I didn't like it done to me, I won't do it someone else. You must personally harm me before I come out swinging, I won't take shots at people I don't know or assume I know the right thing for them to do. That's why we have legislation. It isn't perfect but it's better than the alternative. I have yet to meet a person breathing that hasn't encountered strife, abuse or difficulties. No life is without it on this planet... cat

Peace not war bro!

We all collectively pay through taxes to have roads fixed, medical care covered and our homes protected by police etc. They aren't just your problems, or my problems, they are problems everyone could have RG

Sure... Recycling is not only good for the environment but it is economical both personally and for your municipality and oh so easy to do. As for pets...if you can't afford to treat them as well as you treat yourself then you shouldn't have one. As for kids, unless you are financially and mentally stable enough to commit for a life time then buy a doll. Yeah, in a mood lol.

I believe it's a mistake to conflate socialism and communism. We enjoy many forms of socialism in this country. "Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest." -Cardinal Roger Mahony Broken states like Somalia are examples of places where power and money rule and all are left to their own devices. We are a rich society. I don't begrudge anyone the basics of life. Providing essentials to prevent those less fortunate from starving or dying of easily curable diseases doesn't disincent the majority of people from working hard. It's just basic human decency to want to take care of those in need. I have pity for the homeless and sick. I don't want to see anyone suffer. I recognize that some 'take advantage' of my good will but it's a price I'm willing to pay to live in a society where all have a chance. If you're successful in our society it's because you took advantage of many forms of public infrastructure like roads, schools, hospitals, water and electricity. As Obama said, "You didn't build this." So why would you then turn and begrudge others the same advantages that you had? Seems selfish.

I guess that's a little off-topic but the segue was started above. WRT responsibility, the older I get, the less equipped I feel to judge anyone else. I don't know what someones life has been like, what tools they have at their disposal, what their upbringing has been. The argument can be applied to many things. "You're fat, why don't you just lose weight." "You're poor, why don't you make more money?" "You're homeless, why don't you get a job?" I think that a lot of us are born on third base thinking we've hit a triple. If we grew up in a shitty third world country, malnourished and under-educated, would we be successful? Is there something inherently better, more noble, more complete in us than in other humans? Or are we just more advantaged? We grew up with health care, education, hopefully parents who gave a shit, public infrastructure, clean water, enough food, etc. Things that took generations to build by our ancestors. There is a third world hidden in the first world. It's in native reserves, poor drug infested neighborhoods, abusive homes. We just don't see it as clearly. "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Sir Isaac Newton

You need to book a duo with ladies who have a connection with one another and with you. Nothing worse than a third wheel in the room. Everyone seeks something different in a duo, and what was great for one person may not be the experience that you are looking for, for yourself. So do your research. Book a lady you already enjoy spending time with, ask her who she enjoys working with and go from there, when you book with 2 ladies that you have never met - you are asking for a disaster.

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Would you agree that we all have a responsibility to take care of ourselves, our children, our pets, our planet. I mean without it where would we live? Well then why do some feel it's not their resposibility to support themselves-educating themselves or working so they can be independent. You know those who think the welfare and unemployment systems were set up to provide them with a supplemental income or a break because they find it to hard to bust their asses working everyday like everyone else. Those who think they deserve it or are owed it. These systems were set up for those who through no fault of their own fall on dire straights/hard times and need a temporary helping hand until they get back on their feet. I mean why as a taxpayer should I pay to heat someones home, pay their rent, feed their children when they are as capable and have as many opportunities as I? THINK- If you are going to have unprotected sex and you have no education/no income, there is a possibility that you may become pregnant. This means you need the means to raise YOUR child or children. It shouldn't mean because you've been irresponsible others should have to pay a price. I'm not talking about mistakes, horrible situations like rape,ect. I'm talking about those who are simply and intentionally irresponsible.THINK-and when you milk the systems-working/supplementing your income with unemployment/welfare while making a decent living, thats stealing and it affects all of us and isn't fair to those who are truly in need. No one is owed a living! Why do some search for a free pet then when they get it think it isn't their responsibilty to spay and neuter it, allow it to roam freely and populate irresponsibilty. Adding to the already exploding pet population. In the USA alone more than 8 million strays come into shelters yearly. More then half of them are euthanized simply because there is no place for them-WHY? Owning a pet is not a right it's a privilge so when you get one take care of it! For it's life! Why do some feel it's their neighbours, teachers, everyone elses responsibilty but their own to rear and raise their children. Yes parenting is hard but it's your job! Help is available but the responsibilty lies with you to make sure your child is happy, healthy,well behaved, educated and provided with food and shelter. Why are some not bothering to recycle and compost. This I will never understand. It angers me even more when those with kids neglect doing this as they should have a more vested interest in the health of the planet. They have someone to leave it to! Yes life is busy but it only takes a minute to separate food waste, plastics, glass, papers. Come on!! Why do some who suck on cigarettes, eat bad food, drink excessivley-just live an unhealhty lifestyle think it's not their fault they became sick. In Canada we are lucky your hospital visit or doctor visit will not directly come out of your pocket but our system is strained so why not do our part to make sure we don't needlessly burden it. We all make mistakes from time to time and possibly may need help too. But to have the attitude that you don't care because you are or have been irresponsible I just don't understand. I mean WHY?

Hmm...re-reading the original post, it sounds like the OP wouldn't be living there is that right? I suppose that might not be so bad...I first assumed they would be living together... Yikes. As Cat and others have said though, trying to find a girl you trust who isn't a train wreck and coming up with suitable terms and dealing with fall-out if you have to ask her to leave and.... Seems like a lot of trouble just to get some a few times a month. If you can afford to keep a luxury condo vacant, wouldn't it just be easier to go a-la-carte rather than signing up for the meal plan? :-D

Then a sugar baby would be a way much better option :) Sugar babies and SP are two completely different entities.

Lol the first thing that popped in my mind is the SP saying to you: no not tonight I have a headache...

Pearl is definitely a new girl on the block. Age as advertised, if young and innocent is your thing - she is the definition of it. Everything is pink.I asked her for a role play, and she never done it before but more than enthusiastically obliged. Once she saw how I responded, she started to enjoy it. Physically speaking - tiny pink nipple and aerola on beautifully perk natural c size taunt to attention. There's nothing like a younger girl to reinvigorate yourself with renewed youth. At times, the fluidity of all the motion can be cumbersome ... And at those moment, if she says she's never done this before, I would believe her. But once in the motion of things, it all goes well and smooth. Bbbj was excellent. Then even the way she roles it on ... Amature! Sex was great, and when I rises for some power board thrust, she was pleasantly surprised at how good it made her feel. Not much of a kisser type, but she makes up for that in different department. Definitely a spinner body, very nice athletic candy apple bottom. Beautiful body, a flower to be discovered, named, and waiting to bloom. Hopefully I don't sound to demented, it is what it is, this is how I felt, and this worked for me. She's taller and prettier than pictured.

Kisses ?? Wait a dog gone minute here !! Nobody said anything about kisses !! I soooo didn't get that memo. I will be there in March so I have delayed my V-string day and kisses until then ...... I am buying some drinks though. There is a sexy young lady riding a train about now that is gonna buy you a drink for me MN2 :) If your good. You must do the two step, the polka, the twist and the bird dance first however but you have been practicing if I remember correctly Have fun everyone :)

Reread my words carefully Miss Christy, there was no shot taken at you. I was simply showing you how different perception filters can take a situation and change ones feelings about it without the facts themselves being altered. The word "choose" is the key. I wrote "if I choose to read them thru a jade hued filter", I didn't say I made that choice, you assumed I did. And those who know me, know that I always give the benefit of the doubt when it comes to intention. You have jumped to conclusions and presumed to understand the meaning of my words before reading EXACTLY what I wrote. I meant every word, including the "thank you", you made the choice to read my words thru a jaded filter. I will admit that I wrote that paragraph as I did because I knew you would interpret it the way you did and I would be able to point out again that presumption and assumption are dangerous when it comes to interpreting intention and thought without personally knowing the person behind the situation. As for real life situations, I have lived thru more genuinely life threatening situations than I care to count. I'm not a religious person but I am deeply spiritual and one of my core beliefs is non judgement. I have stood my ground for what I believe to be right but I have learned not to see the other person/people as "bad" or turn them into enemies but to see them as human. There is no us vs. them, we are all flesh and blood. They are simply unaware and until they are ready, I realize that I cannot force awareness nor can I force responsibility. It must always come from within. I spent a little more than 2 years sitting in orange surrounded by women who are considered the bottom feeders of society. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Once the bravado had faded, their humanity appeared and not once did I see someone without genuine regret on some level about the things in their lives that they had done. Not one of them wanted to have the life they did, they wanted better but it really was beyond their reach or their capabilities. They fought a battle everyday that I can't imagine fighting for a lifetime. Their humanity didn't appear miraculously out of nowhere because they were in jail, it was always there but they were so accustomed to hiding it that they had forgotten it was there. I did cross paths with a couple of sociopaths and a psychopath but they are simply hardwired wrong and not the norm in my opinion. I'm genuinely sorry you felt thrown under the bus during this lively discussion. Again, it boils down to perception and filters. Actions have no intrinsic value until we chose one to place on it. Your position is neither right or wrong, it simply is and that's good with me... cat

Hi Cristy. I don't think that any of us are advocating what you say. I'm all for tightening up the system to weed out cheaters and slackers. We're just saying that it's easy to get a disproportionate impression of the ratio of cheaters to legitimately needy. I feel that most of the needy who are benefiting from a helping hand are not seen or noticed and I still believe the cheaters are a minority. If you read the news too much you can start to think that all men are pedophiles and rapists, all cops are crooked, all dentists grope their patients, and so on. I think that what we're mostly trying to say is that for us, who are clever and resourceful and driven and educated, it would be much easier to improve our situation than for some of those who come from worse backgrounds. As has been said by others, social assistance can be a bit of a black hole that can suck people in and be hard to escape. Please don't feel that we're attacking you. I understand and support your viewpoint and am only trying to temper it with some alternative ways to think about it.

We live in a society that has become complacent with the status-quo, Where we allow our elected official to increase their salaries, while decreasing social programs, public health care, the list goes on. Ask yourself this when was the last time a politician took a pay cut? http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/federal-politician-salaries-higher-than-you-think.htm Now take an average family income is about roughly 1/3 that of what a politician can earn in one year. If that isn't a slap in the face if you are lucky enough to have a job with a pension plan you have to work 20 plus years to actually build your pension to the point where retirement maybe be an option, where your political representative only has to put in six years of office and he will collect from 25,000 a year and up, upon turning 55. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/06/18/median-family-income-statscan.html Now this does not excuse those who are abusing the system but lets be realistic who are the real thieves here? Why stop there we as a capitalistic society we waste more then enough food, resources, to feed, house and clothes most if not all third world countries. but we don't and that after taking care of those within our borders. Why? Because there is no profit in it. I can go on for hours if not more about the injustices of the world but what will that do? As a society we need to start asking real questions of our leaders and not settling for the status-quo anymore.

I hear that a few treasured items will find their way through to the social???? We will have to keep an eye for those....

Come'on Meg, you make a sensible, well thought out, non controversial statement. This is no way to start an argument. :)

I'm actually getting really excited too! I'll even be able to come out much earlier this time rather than my usual after 9pm drop in so I'll be able to catch some of the people I've missed in the past! --does happy-dance-- :)

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Realistically none of us know the statistics concerning the amount of abuse or abusers. At least no one has come forward with that info yet. So to say it's a myth or that it isn't widespread,wouldn't that be a blanket statement?Surmising? and inaccurate.I have said that it happens, how much, I'm not sure, never said I knew but even a little is to much, ask somone who is affected by it. Those who work in social services, the police force, fire department, ect. they all take even a little abuse quite seriously and would never say well others here and others there are doing it as well. To justify one wrong by saying others are doing wrongs doesn't negate it's offence or affects on others. Scott, I appreciate your opinion but those that abuse systems shouldn't have advocates nor am I picking on anyone. On a last note if people are committing the above offenses you mention how could they then be lawabiding?

I just wish it was easier to weed out the cheats and users without painting the legitimately needy with the same brush.

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I get this question, too, but, like Phantom, I assume it's the influence of US TV. I usually give the guy a link to a description of the laws in Canada, and let it go. Sometimes, I've said, "No, I'm not a cop. But some of my clients are." :icon_lol:

So glad i don't have texting. I am on 2 sites that have IM style chat options, where clients bombard you with one or two words opening a chat box the second you appear online. Feedback from most sps is they ignore, disable or dislike the chat feature as an option used by complete time wasters who don't even bother to visit our profiles let alone read our ad. They see the name pop up as 'online' and bam, "Hi". or "hello" or something vague, and if you do reply with a link to your ad, they say nothing, if you ask if they saw the profile, they either don't respond or they say 'no'. I think one in 20 said first they read my ad, then started the chat. If I am being contacted, the first thing I want to know is what is this about, and what do you know about me before we get started. Whether a phone call, a text, an email, or an IM chat on an ad site.

As a long time fan of being trampled, perhaps I can add to MightyPen's excellent insight. I used to think that I was very alone in this, but I've researched it pretty thorougly. It's not nearly as unusual, nor as straightforward as you might think. The fetish typically begins in childhood. Very early, like age 5 or 6. Think of a young boy crawling around the floor playing with his toys while the women who love and nurture and protect him, like his Mom, Grandma, aunts and older sisters either walk about the room going about their business, or are sitting chatting or watching TV or reading. Who knows what happens, but somehow their feet and legs get imprinted on his sexual psyche. As the fellow grows older, the fetish takes its own twists and turns, so some guys will ask for a slow, loving trample, some will want a disinterested bitch who doesn't care about what she is doing, some will want a pse-type of trample that really seems to get the woman excited (perhaps as a prelude to her sitting on him and taking him), some will want the pain of your heels digging in, and some will want to experience the crushing weight. So in your role of trampler, the first thing to do is figure out what the guy needs. Almost every guy will want more than he can really take. That's important for you to understand. MightyPen's suggestion of starting slowly and gradually buillding up the intensity is a good one for several reasons. First, it's safe, secondly it wll give your client a great experience even if he can't take as much as he hoped, and finally it will allow you to guage how much he can take. You will be very much in control of everything that happens, so it is important for you to really pay attention to him; not just to what he says, but also to his beaviour and body signals. Twice I have been unable to talk when a woman stood on me. Give the fellow time to warm up. Like any atheletic activity, you risk injury of you don't. The first time you step on him, place your foot on his stomach and slowly transfer your weight onto him. Try not to stand on one foot for too long as you are stepping up; when you're on one foot, you are doubling the pressure on that spot on him. Only stand for a few seconds the first time. Give him a moment to recover, and then step on him again, longer this time. Each time stay a little longer, or start gently walking about. There are more muscles in his stomach than his chest, so he is likely to take your weight on his stomach easier. As soon as you step off, the cool air rushes into him, and in many cases, he will be ready to receive your weight again with 10 seconds or less. You can use that knowledge to vary the intensity. Some fellows may want you to walk on their pelvis, penis, legs, arms and even their head. Start slowly until your get to know the guy. Some guys try to hold their breath while you are on top. Discourage this; he will take you longer if he dosen't hold his breath. It's also safer since his blood pressure won't build up so fast. I've been told that smaller men seem to take trampling better than larger men. A man who is fit will take it better than a man who is out of shape. The newer the fellow is to being trampled, the less he is likely to be able to take as much as he hoped. Keeping your balance while standing on someone is hard to do; it takes a fair amount of core body strength on your part. If you do this long enough, you will work up a sweat. If you don't have a strong core, you will fidget as you try to keep your balance, and that will make it difficult for him to take. The less you fidget, the longer he will be able to take your weight. Don't stand with all your weight on his heart. If you aren't too heavy, a few seconds there will not be a problem, but if you stay there for too long, he could have a real problem. It's a good idea to have something very solid to hand onto, like a kitchen counter, a solid chair or couch, or a wall. A hallway trample or trampling in a doorway is good. Avoid hanging onto something that might topple and hurt you both like a bookcase. Barefoot trampling is easier and safer than trampling with shoes or boots. You can keep your balance easier, and you will not leave any marks with bare or stockinged feet. With boots and shoes, it's not just the sharpness of the heel that you have to think about. If you twist your foot on his skin, the tread on the bottom of your shoe could bruise or tear his skin. Also the edges of the heels of even chunky shoes and boots can be quite sharp and could tear his skin. Your weight is obviously a factor, but not as much as you might imagine. I've been fortunate to be trampled by women in the 130 to 300 lb range, and each experience is unique and enjoyable. (When the 500 lb woman stood on me, I saw blue stars for a couple of seconds before I passed out.) If you are of average size, where you stand on him (upper chest, lower chest, chest and stomach or all stomach), how long you stand on him, how much you let him warm up, and how much you fidget will really determine how long he can take it. Oh, and if he's quite erect, he will probably last even longer. If you both get really revved up, you could be amazed at the jumping and stomping that he will enjoy. But start slowly!!! I always ask the woman to tie my hands at my sides or slightly behind me, for her safey and mine. A collar and leash is great, too! Look on youtube for femdom trample; there are some gems there. And of course, if you would like a personal introductory lesson or someone to test out your technique, I'd be glad to oblige!

Yeah I believe in love...I think the problem with high divorce rates is that our culture has become a very disposable one...in the sense that EVERYTHING is disposable. Whether it be a cell phone, a kitchen appliance or a relationship. Once upon a time, when something started showing signs of wear and tear, say, a VCR or something, we didn't automatically kick it to the curb and go out and buy a new one. We would open it up and tinker around with the insides and try to find the problem, often getting a shock, slicing our finger open, and cursing all the while, literally putting our blood, sweat and tears into it....but once it started working again, the feeling of reward and satisfaction was that much greater for the work we put into it. Or, worst case scenario, if we couldn't fix it ourselves we'd take it out and pay to have a professional repair it (read: tv repairman/marriage counselor). And only as a very last result would we even consider going out and buying a new one. This is not the case anymore, I think we've gotten it into our mind that everything is so easily disposable and replaceable, and whether it be consciously or subconsciously, this somehow includes relationships too. I'm not being holier than thou, I'm guilty of this too. I've never been married but I think every relationship I've been in, has ended too easily without putting up much of a fight, neither one of us made the necessary efforts needed to keep things going. Once things started getting boring or stale, we abandoned ship. The problems marriages/long term relationships encounter today are the exact same problems which were encountered 20, 30, 50, 100 years ago. The love felt today between two people is no less powerful than it was by two people in the past. The difference is now, in our culture today, no one is willing to put the necessary work into making something work. We just go on ebay and find a new one, often at what we perceive to be a better price. At least that's how I see it.