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...Crosses the line Over the span of my career, on more occasions than I would like, I have had to have a conversation with a client who wants to "be friends". I think it's important to explain to hobbyists what this actually means to us; why it is crossing a line and why this conversation is one we should never have to have with a client. There comes a point with a good working relationship where a client reaches a certain comfort level with his provider and for some reason it sometimes flips a switch within him. This is the phase of the relationship where there are genuine feelings shared and some clients misinterpret these emotions. He feels it's time to renegotiate the relationship and take it to the next level, to make it "real". Sometimes it's a romantic gesture and those clients are just very confused men and that is not the situation I want to discuss. The men I'm appealing to are the ones that feel that we should "be friends". I would like to present this situation from the providers point of view. This is a conversation we providers unanimously dread. We very well may have genuine care and true fondness for this client; we may look forward to seeing him and enjoy his company immensely. Without a doubt these emotions change the quality of the experience for both parties in the best of ways but what it doesn't change is that THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING! Asking us to be friends is an impossible ask and puts us in a difficult place. No matter how we answer, the dynamic is forever changed and not for the better. Many providers develop friendships with clients, myself included but it doesn't change the fact that our time is our livelyhood. It's how we provide for ourselves and our loved ones and asking us to alter the arrangement at hand will not end well for either party. If we accept, we have now lost a valued client that will need to be replaced to maintain our financial responsibilites. If we decline, we risk hurting this person that we care about and losing a valued client that will need to be replaced. Either way, the provider loses. I admit that I see my work a little differently than most providers and I do consider my favorite guests to be friends as well as lovers. These men understand that I care deeply for them, they don't need free social time to see and feel that. They understand that if they choose not to contribute to my financial well being it will result in one of two outcomes. 1. I will have to spend the time I work with another client to ensure my financial obligations. or 2. I will have to find alternative forms of income which means a 9-5 job to pay my bills. Either way, the "friend" moves to the bottom of my responsibilities list. I first have to pay my bills, second is to take care of my loved ones and then third is my social life, which I don't actually have. This is our livelyhood and last time I checked, the bank doesn't take friendship for mortgage payments and according to Revenue Canada, it doesn't matter how many friends I have, there is no break on my taxes. If a client stops paying then he no longer provides for me or my basic needs. I have a couple of clients that moved from guest to friend but they were taken off the dance card. By honoring their "ask" for a friendship, they reliquished me as a lover and now I seldom get to see them as I just don't have time for socializing. I accept my guests into my life with great care. I willingly allow my guests time with my body and my spirit in exchange for the financial security they provide me. It is delusional to think that if a guest withdraws the financial aspect of the relationship that I will have the time or the energy to continue a relationship with him. My guests don't pay me to be their friend, they pay me so that I have the freedom to spend time with them, NSA and at their convenience. The demand is high for a "genuine GFE" experience but when we provide it we run the risk of guests misinterpreting it. Please understand that often when providers are a little aloof or cold, they may be simply trying to protect the business relationship as a lawyer or doctor would. For those of us who try to be more open and willing, don't put us in a situation where we end up losing you as a client because you "don't pay people to be your friend"... cat

This is an important topic. In Vancouver, there are a lot of what we call Asian micro-brothels. Some permanent residents or citizens who have immigrated, usually from China or Korea, provide opportunities for women from their home countries to come to Canada to work for up to six months. They rent houses and condos around the Lower Mainland and the ladies work from them. Sometimes the women stay in the same place for several weeks or months; more often, they work in one place and then move on to another, usually in another suburb. Some of these micro-brothels are affiliated with others in other cities, so it's possible for a worker to travel around the province, through the prairies or even across the country. The women who work in these brothels have come to Canada to be sex workers. They enter the country as tourists and leave within six months (the length of a tourist visa). They send most of their earnings back home. Most speak little English. The brothel owners always significantly undercut the going rates charged by independent companions. Their advertisements on the free and low-cost advertising sites are usually represented as ads from one or two girls, though there may be six or eight of them working in a house. The great majority of them are classic bait-and-switch ads. The photographs come from all kinds of places, but are almost never of the woman you will see if you make an appointment. The actual workers are generally older and don't look like svelte models. My Asian clients tell me that there are significant cultural differences when it comes to expectations about advertising. North Americans expect that the photograph will match the product they purchase and feel very annoyed when it doesn't. My clients say that the micro-brothel ads really are offering a fantasy, that the brothel owners have no compunction about whether the women look like the images they use for the ads. The woman in the photo isn't available, but the sexual services are, and that's what matters. I'm told that Caucasian clients generally don't repeat their visit. The brothels really are intended for Asian men who speak the same language and have the same cultural expectations. Since people read the ads and assume that what's being offered really does exist even though they don't check to be sure, one effect of these micro-brothels is that they put enormous pressure on independent providers, particularly those new to our industry, to charge significantly lower fees even though they're offering a dramatically different experience. As for whether the workers are being exploited, a lot may depend on definitions. The women do know what they're going to be doing when they come to work. However, since it's not legal to work when on a tourist visa, none of them is here legally. It's difficult to say how much the workers in the brothels know about safer sex practices, about STIs or their risk of infection. We also don't know how much these workers know about their legal rights in relation to sexual assault except that they're unlikely to call the police if there's a problem. Since they're visitors and have little English language skills, they're not likely to be tested or treated for STIs while they're here. About 20-40% of the fee the client pays actually goes to the girl he sees. Compared to what she might earn at home, this is still a significant income. Compared to what independent companions and those who work for reputable agencies earn, it's highway robbery.

To the wonderful women of Cerbland a special thank you and Valentine's kiss for all the fun, pleasure, intimacy, and laughter we've shared. I love Valentine:s Day because it gives me a chance to say how much my friendships here mean to me. But my friends know that already!

I could never envision asking for a discount, not on a first meeting, nor a repeat encounter, especially repeat encounters...those ladies I see again it's because we have a chemistry, a connection, in some cases a special connection. I would never damage that connection for the sake of a few dollars. And for anyone asking for a discount or maybe a freebie, well to me that shows how they really feel about the lady, they have no respect for her. "Finally, a question re: tips. As you suggest, I usually count the donation out ahead of time in an envelope. If I think the experience was especially enjoyable, I usually tip on the next meeting, by counting out the tip with that session's donation. That seems more discreet/polite than throwing extra money on top (especially if I paid at the start); but maybe it is better to tip directly after the experience? Opinions, ladies?" To answer your question, what I do is this. The donation is in an envelope in a gift bag, along with a gift. At the end of the encounter, as the lady is leaving (most of my encounters are outcalls to my hotel) I give her a tip. On our next meeting, again, at the end of the encounter I will give the tip. I believe the tip is something to be given during each encounter, sort of a tangible way of saying "thank you". I also believe the tip should be separate from the donation, that way the lady knows you appreciated the time you spent with her. A rambling RG

Well said Cat! I have faced this many times too. And the sad thing is, once that question comes up, and you answer no, and explain it to him, they always get upset, feel down or used...then they stop coming:( So not only have you tried to explain to the best care, you end up still loosing them:( It is indeed fustrating as we do have heart! Thanks for this post:)

YES there is - for those of us who are professional and understand the risks that go with doing something such as this. Sometimes, people have to think outside the box... This has been mentioned before . Take that kind of behaviour as a warning. Not saying that the said individual is a bad person. It's just that privacy and discretion are paramount to this kind of business, and if one cannot respect that, it really says alot.

Big Brother Canada airs February 27th on Slice. Wednesday at 9 pm Thursday at 10 pm Sunday at 9 pm 14 houseguests (names will be disclosed in a few days). $100 000 prize...I wonder how much second place is. This is the only show I watch religiously so I'm petty excited for the Canadian version.

Hey Gents and Ladies ! Just want to begin this by saying that this is not directed at anyone or meant to be anyone's point of view. These are just a few etiquette pointers to make things smoother .. Here are a few tips that may make a first encounter easier or make another visit go a bit more smoothly. When contacting a lady you shouldn't ask them to lower their prices. When a lady sets a price it is what she feels she is worth. Don't try to bargain that with her. It can make it so she doesn't want to meet you or she may take offense to the question. I know I can't speak for all but I know it bothers me a bit. Donation (a rate set by an individual lady).. I don't know about any gents, but there may be a time when you thought, "How do I go about paying her? When .. Before or after? " .. Well the answer to that is have the donation in a white envelope. Give it to the lady within a few moments of greeting and introduction. Some SP's even prefer you to put the envelope in the bathroom or on something that's in plain sight. That way the lady doesn't have to feel rude by having to interrupt the conversation to ask for her money. Get things out of the way smoothly so the time together can move on without that interruption. Also after you get to know someone and they become a regular companion the donation may be left till the end because of a mutual trust or agreement made. The time spent between a Gent and a Lady, much enjoyed by both, has to end. A set time is usually discussed in advanced. When the time does come be courteous of the lady's time and save both from a tense moment. Also a lady shouldn't ask Gents to be coming over and shouldn't be contacting the gent for dates. When a gent wants to see you he will contact you for a date. Personally I enjoy getting to know each other and keeping in touch in between encounters. But I do not ask for anyone to make a booking with me. During the visit the lady should make you feel comfortable, relaxed, cared about and sometimes make you feel you're living out a wild fantasy. She meets your every need while providing a non rushed (no one likes to be rushed lol) and genuine experience. She may even be providing a clean and safe environment where the encounters take place. Conversation is key from booking a session, to the moment you meet and to make the date comfortable for both individuals. Try to avoid touching personal subjects. Remember discretion is usually a must on both parts. Be a bit awkward if the conversation gets going and you guys end up knowing the same people or even may happen to know each others spouses (ouch right ? lol). Most importantly respect. We are all real people. We all have unique bodies, views and personalities. Give respect and it shall be received. I'm sure with everyone you may encounter. And may the ladies do the same. Appreciate each Gent for their unique qualities and personalities. I respect everyone I meet and respect has been given back. Hopefully this thread will help someone out ! Ashley xo

As Buddha said...

The ladies also obviously owe a significant amount of money to the people who made all the traveling arrangements which may (and probably does) include false passports and pay offs for documentation necessary to leave the country. I know that a cheap round trip ticket is going to cost 1000, and passport costs and visas to enter Canada will add to that as well. So even at best the sp who arrives owes say $1500 first, and that will need to be paid off one appointment at a time. I do think that their take home portion may be higher, as in if the charge is 120 for the session (usually 45 minutes) their 60 will be used for themselves. I do not know if the pay back comes out of the 60 the handlers take, or that is just the cost covering being there, and that they still have to pay off the 1500 out of their 60. These things are not discussed, as the majority of clients who do use these services, from Vancouver to Toronto, want the low rates, and lack of restrictions, and will favourably review them while at the same time pointing out the fake pics, fake ages, and general false advertising that they would flame, blame and trash anyone else for. (And by fake age I mean usually anthing from 10-15 years off, if not more in some cases) I think anyone from a union background or in any type of business would object to people working under the table, who also undercut rates, but usually it isn't about the rates or the pressure to do more for less,, it is the principle of the thing. Why do the laws of this country not apply when it comes to the sex trade business, and why should we allow anyone to be exploited with overwork and underpay simply because it is convenient for a few? Bring them in on work visas and employ them in a massage parlour then, imo, do it properly, no one will have any reason to object. It seems like an obvious thing. Canadian border people turn people away for trying to enter without a proper work visa when it is obvious they are being employed by someone somewhere. I don't see a difference with this business. It also seems like a thing that would be dead easy to police, but that is also largely not done.

I know several Pits, and they are sweeties. The only scary ones I've ever seen had scumbaggy masters.

Help break the myths.

If it happens frequently then I would suggest a hobby phone. You can use it at your discretion.

This thread highlights why I'm not a big fan of texting. First of all, a text isn't conducive to a proper introduction or "get-to-know each other" exchange. In a moment of weakness some weeks ago, I exchanged texts with a lady. We weren't able to connect, but a few weeks later, on a weekend, I got a random text, including a picture, to see if I was interested/available. Thankfully I saw it right away and was able to delete it, but it could have lead to big problems! So I think it's safe to say that I'll be sticking to PMs, email and phone calls now!

I have to agree with Fredsmith on this one. I didn't take it for more than what it was - a hobbyist who has enjoyed Emily J. why make anything more out of it?? ....and i haven't even met Emily, yet :)

I do understand why this happens, but I also am somewhat mystified by it. Friendships always exist within specific contexts. I have friends at work ... people whose friendship I really value. I never see them outside of work. We don't socialize. I also have friends that I do socialize with ... some from work, some from other parts of my life. There are a number of ladies I consider friends. Some I consider very special friends. Yet that remains firmly within the context of the SP-client relationship. I'm quite happy with that ... and feel no need to look for more. And I consider it very real. no boundaries crossed. Porthos

To me, there are a couple of ladies I have met who are in the category of friend. But that means "friends within the confines of this lifestyle" I certainly don't expect, nor would I ask for free time...I always understand at it's root, this is still the lady's livelihood. What man would try to have free time with a lady because he says they are friends, well that is shortchanging the lady, and is not friendship, not to mention disrespectful. Just as I have bills to pay, so does the lady, and a friend doesn't make it difficult for the lady to make an income. By friends, at least for me, it means during your encounters, you are both comfortable enough to talk about subjects which under a normal SP/Client relationship would be considered off limits. You look forward to your encounters because you are seeing a friend again. And those encounters have a special intimacy to them. Also, understanding the nature of this lifestyle, friendship doesn't equal possessiveness and exclusivity. And it doesn't mean Capital "F" feelings, the only four letter word beginning with "L" that applies here for me is "Like" I like the lady. It just means the times you are together are special. And those times I as a friend and gentleman, I still happily pay the donation in full (plus tip and gift ;-) ) A rambling which I hope comes out right RG

Beautiful ladies here on Cerb? Since my initial start date back in 2007, I don't believe I've ever seen so many gorgeous SP's and Ma's. I'm not just talking about Ottawa area, but from the East coast through the West. It isn't just about the photo's (But I do love the photo's) it is about the interaction with many as well, that I find so great. But it often leads me astray ;) as to what lady I like to spend time with, if I could, I would try and see a lot of you sweet ladies in a heart beat. Your genuine personality goes along way in this industry, I just think you ladies here on Cerb, are ALL so BEAUTIFUL. I would like to say thank-you to you, for the friendship,intimacy and here's to future intimacy with you beautiful ladies. Happy Valentine's Day to each and everyone of you ladies! Warm hugs and kisses from ME :)

Happy Valentine's Day everyone! I think this year, I've decided to celebrate "Generosity Day," where the idea is to do random acts of kindness for people in your life, or people you don't know but happen to cross paths with: http://www.ordinarycourage.com/my-blog/2013/2/13/i-heart-generosity-day-with-a-giveaway-of-course.html I think small acts like this can bring so much love in to out lives, and all of that is worth celebrating!

CH, considering the fact the OP joined a week ago and this is his first post, a little friendly gesture wouldn't be so bad, would it? ;) http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=29657&highlight=Sacha Welcome to CERB, PL :)

I just had an amazing time with Nikky who is an Indie. Booking was simple through Book Yourself. Nikky is the perfect Spinner. 5'2", 100 lbs. (she admitted to me she was only 98 lbs. LOL) It didn't take long that she made me feel completely at ease. We shared a glass of wine to start off and to get to know each other a little. She has an amazing and sweet face. I couldn't wait to start kissing this girl. We shared some very passionate LFK/DFK. Didn't take long the clothes went flying. She had the exact same outfit as in her pictures and it was quick to get her undressed. She has an amazing little body. Perfect B cup titties, just a handful, but very perky. Tight body, amazing skin, absolutely loved her stomach and tiny little waist. It didn't take long she started an amazing BBBJ. You can tell this girl loves what she does. We then switch to 69, which was heavenly. Then we went from cowgirl to missionary and round one came to an abrupt end. She's just so damn sweet and hot, it was practically impossible to hold it in any longer. We cuddled and shared some more wine and it didn't take long I wanted to start round two. Again with the BBBJ and then I went dining at the Y. I could tell she was enjoying herself with her little moans. Then to doggy, cowgirl and back to missionary. She had told me that this was her favorite position and that's how she likes having her orgasms. It was awesome having her come to an orgasm. There was some very heavy breathing going on. Very PASSIONATE!!! That's how I would describe Nikky... Passionate! She's got some Indian in her and her skin is absolutely amazing. I was her first client in Ottawa and I'm thinking of going back to see her before she leaves. I would be crazy not to!! She's just a small little thing, but with a lot of potential. I can't wait to see her again to try some different positions. She's a former dancer and she's in great shape. She's the perfect GFE experience if you ask me. She gave me a wonderful kiss on my way out and all I keep seeing since I left her, is her beautiful, gorgeous face.

For me I feel most at peace when I am at home sitting in my backyard and looking at the stars. I love having a fire and listening to the radio (mainly Coast To Coast AM) and looking up at the stars. I know that I'm most likely not the most best spoken, but I am a pretty simple girl who likes to watch the stars. And I am a nerd who likes to listen to alternative talk radio. :) So, cerbies, where are you most at peace with yourself??

Enjoy your special day!

Happy Valentines Day to all the SP's out there!! I know most of you have made a huge impact on many of your clients lives, and I wish you nothing but the best! Hope somebody treats you extra special today. :)

Echoing what has already been said, if texting, state a good time to reply. One bonus of a text however, if your phone rings with an incoming text, and someone is there when you receive it, you can always say it was the phone company sending a promo text, or say it was the wrong number. I've had both. But personally I prefer email to set up encounters, and only like texting when providing the lady with my hotel room number the day of an encounter RG

I do see what you are saying, and most cases is at the cornerstone of my policy. However, I am speaking about the regular visitor who has spend many hours with us, and I will surprise them with extra time or a small discount on their time. I never negotiate on an inquiry, or random client that calls us. Not selling steak( not too often you will develop a relationship of any sort with the waitress, but certainly can be when offering something of a personal nature with our clients), but selling our time and attention, and I think there can be a balance between gifting a discount as appreciation and maintaining a professional $ value in our business.

The don't ask for discounts is sadly something that has to be mentioned over and over as some don't seem to realize it's offense. Just yesterday I was asked if I had a ten min rate? by a cerb member. I advertise hourly rates only and will advertise on some occasions 1/2hr rates. Those 1/2 hr rates were advertised clearly yesterday and the day before, nothing else. It's a shame that some just don't get it.

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The difficulty with unwritten rules, as they say, is that they are unwritten. It takes a little while for newcomers to become aware of the norms, and that's through no fault of their own. That IS a reason, however, that conversations like this one are so useful. Otherwise, I echo FredSmith's observation. You can easily buy a phone for well under $100 and for another $100 buy enough minutes on a prepaid card to last a long time. With the added plus that you never have to give any identifying information to anyone, you will have guaranteed that you will get no texts or calls on a phone that will ever be accessible to anyone else. It's worth it simply for never having to have wonder again whether this is or isn't a good moment to text, whether you should or shouldn't send your number, and so on.

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Getting a big, sloppy wake-up kiss from a puppy who's obviously just snacked at the kitty cat potty box.

Just a tip, good pic's go a long way

Friendly..perhaps..friends..no. Like any other service I pay for whether it's my chiropractor, dentist, lawyer or mechanic etc, we may be friendly but we're not friends. Peace MG

And maybe the compliment will inspire others to up their games lol We ALL win then!

I took it as a lighthearted compliment,not as a "diss" to any other provider. Compliments are given to ladies on this forum in many forms and those compliments aren't taken as being disrespectful to any other provider.

What a tragic thing when people have to inflict such violence to such loving creatures.

V wants to wish everyone a Happy Valentines as well..., is my first valentine as member of this great community..., so many thanks to every gentleman and off course the beautiful ladies that are part of it! Many V Kisses and Hugs from V ;-) Keep loving and sharing that love! Xo

This winter has seemed particularly dull, grey and rainy. But the weather is starting to break up. No rain today and there was more blue sky than yesterday. It's still brisk, though not exactly cold. I took the dog for a long walk at English Bay. We had a lovely time. She stopped twice to dig in the sand, but didn't find anything. She will, sometime--we're both sure of that.

A Valentines Day Viewpoint With Valentines Day upon us it causes me think about many things. Valentines Day is traditionally a day in which love is expressed, flowers and chocolates are given to a loved one, sweet nothings are whispered, one may choose to go out to a nice restaurant, all lovely things. I really never enjoyed Valentines Day because I found it so artificial. All of the things mentioned above I really did do on a very regular basis, not because I was 'expected' to do so but because I liked to do so. Now when Valentines Day comes around for me it is one of the saddest days of the year.

this is the highlights of several days I am on day 6 of my 11 week drive (wander) around the USA I spent the weekend with good friends in upstate NY and had a great time catching up (as it had been too long since I had seen them) and taking in some of the area's points of interest (museum, symphony, etc.) then I backtracked slightly to Cooperstown and the Baseball Hall of Fame then I drove the backroads of NY and PA southward ... the scenery is a lot like driving 327 south from Mont-Tremblant ... hardly a straight piece of road longer than a hundred metres ... it seemed like a good idea until fog settled in and my speed was reduced to a crawl and I didn't get half as far as I planned that evening then Philadelphia ... if you have never been to the Philadelphia Museum of Art, get there ... it is amazing ... and of course, it has a statue of Rocky out front and, an hour ago I arrived in Washington DC

When Fred and I were dating, he once did this. Poor boy was such a rube! We went out to dinner, and I paid (of course--a poor skydiving instructor, he never had any money). Then I went to the ladies' room and we went out to our cars. I was just about to turn the key, when he was knocking on my window, waving the money. He said, "Oh here! You left this on the table." I was mortified! I explained that was the tip. He said, "Oh. I thought a tip was like a quarter." Right off the farm, that kid!

There was a mother with may be a new one-two month old baby and possibly 1yr old twin girls who got stuck in the snow leaving the parking lot and not one soul came to help push her out, she was crying and in a panic, there were men and teenage boys/girls just walking by looking and didn't even offer to help WTF??. I grabbed my shovel and dashed across the street, calmed the mother and dug her out while some of those people still walking by kept looking or stood there watching. Some people these days have no compassion for others. I never leave the table until the server comes back for this reason or I ask them over and I always leave a personal little note of thanks.

thx for the kind words and support sorry for all lower case, keyboarding...hunt and peck with one hand doc took out about one inch of bone,2 inches of muscle and scraped the tendons and ligaments believe they got the "hot"spot, fingers crossed in sling for six weeks, then physiotherapy ??more chemo?? coming off pain meds, damn! lots of ice, no single malt until off the heavy duty meds take care! theliquor

I recently had the opportunity to visit with Nathalie. It's been my great pleasure to have had several meetings previously with Nathalie and when I was planning this trip to Ottawa I contacted her to see if we might coordinate our schedules. Luckily for me it all worked out. As always she was prompt with her replies, very easy to communicate with and she went out of her way to accommodate me. She is a most delightful young woman with a joie de vivre and personality second to none. On this trip I was fortunate enough initially to see her for a few minutes at the social and when we met it was simply reconnecting with a friend. The following day we spent a significant amount of time together and every moment was a delight. She agreed to my request and we went for our second visit together to the Nordik Spa, a quiet, romantic and indeed spiritual environment . We enjoyed several cycles through the hot baths and saunas, interspersed with walks under an ice cold waterfall before relaxing in the meditative atmosphere of a chalet where we warmed up in front of a roaring fire. Leaving the spa we enjoyed an informal meal together and then proceeded to her location. Sipping wine and conversing made the evening slip by far too quickly. She is quick to laugh and that along with her smile is infectious. As always I do not share much of what happens behind closed doors. She and I have shared some wonderfully sensual and incredible make out sessions in the past and equally sensual and incredible experiences beyond that. On this occasion I felt a degree of intimacy that touched me deeply and the evening will be one that I shall always recall. She is indeed a sincere companion and once again I feel privileged for having the opportunity to have shared so many things with her. Gentlemen, if the opportunity arises and you can arrange to spend time with Nathalie you will be indeed fortunate. She is a unique and special person with a heart of gold. Thank you Nathalie for all that you have done for me not only on this visit but over time. Until next time..... MN2

To return to the OP's questions... :) The ladies who have very active reco threads tend to be new to the industry, and younger. The ones who have been around a little longer (by which I mean more than a few months) tend to get recos far less often. This doesn't mean that they suddenly became bad at what they do... Bear in mind also that some SPs seem to actively solicit recos, whereas many don't, and some seem to actively discourage them. Bear in mind also that a low-volume SP will necessarily have a much lower pool of potential reco-writers. Finally, I think we guys are far less likely to write another reco for someone if we've already written one, so SPs who have a larger proportion of repeat and long-term clients are also likely to have far fewer recos. Of course, it's also possible that someone doesn't have recos because there's a good (ie negative) reason for that... but you won't find that out here, as the rules of the board dictate that the negative stuff doesn't get said. But if someone's really worth avoiding, people will say things like "can't comment publicly", or "PM me for details". That's often a bad sign. So, to conclude... you can't actually tell much from the fact that someone doesn't have a lot of recos.

Guys if haveing a second bio dink around gives you the willys, find your self a second woman with a strap-on and have some fun.

Hmmm...... im interested.....but I think I prefer someone else make the furniture.... Im not THAT Handy hehe ;)