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Here is my take on a smile.....BTW..all the ladies here(CERB) have a beautiful smile :) "A Smile" It costs nothing, but creates much It enriches those who receive, Without impoverishing those who give. It happens in a flash and the memory of it lasts forever. None are so rich they can get along without it And none so poor but are richer for its benefits. It creates happiness in the home, Fosters good will in a business, And is the countersign of friends. It is rest to the weary, daylight to the discouraged, Sunshine to the sad, and nature's best antidote for trouble. Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen, For it is something that is no earthly good to anybody Till it is given away. If someone is too tired to give you a smile, Leave one of yours. For, nobody needs a smile so much As those who have none to give. Author: Anonymous

I'm not sure if it's changed my life, but since joining cerb nearly 2 yrs ago-I believe it'll be 2yrs in may I've become more open and affectionate towards men, much more confident about my abilities, myself, and my appearence. Less worried about what others think about me. I've learned how to bite my tongue and how to better phrase things while still being my forthright, blunt self. I've learned that being an sp doesn't make me less of a woman, as a matter of fact I think it's taught me to be more womanly. Since joining cerb I have become completely comfortable with knowing that being an sp is nothing to be ashamed of, that we deserve as much respect as any other professional, and anyone that tells me differently can kiss my :icon_biggrin:! thank you very much.

It's time for a break from the insanity and the sometimes cruel world that we live in, so take the time to watch a cat who loves to be vacuumed, will it answer why or who, no. Will it erase the horrific images, no but maybe for just a small stitch in time it might just put a smile on your face. Peace, love and hugs to everyone and anyone who feels they could use some right now.

In honour of her return to this country, I would like to nominate Malika Fantasy as CERB Goddess of the Day! I've missed her very blunt and witty posts over the past few weeks! Welcome back Malika!!

Hey everyone, I'm happy to announce that Sex Brains & Money is back for another season, and I just wanted to share the segments from the last episode. You can check out past guests and previous episodes on our official website, www.sexbrainsmoney.com! Segment 1: Opening the show at our new location Segment 2: Terri-Jean Bedford reading a passage from her new book, "Bondage Bungalow Fantasies" Segment 3: Terri-Jean discussing the upcoming Supreme Court hearings Segment 4: Closing out the show and a few more words on the SCC hearings on June 12 I always enjoy getting feedback, please feel free to let me know what you think! :)

Hiding ones face in pics shouldn't be considered a bad sign. Alot of girls need to protect their identity from others they don't want knowing about this business. We all know how long pictures and info can remain online after one decides to call it quits' date=' some don't want reminders popping up long after they they stop providing. Not showing face pics is one way of doing that. What ever a girl decides to show in pictures, following the particular sites rules, is definetly her choice and should be respected. Sorry to the op I don't have any info on the girls addressed.[/color']

You should never ask a Lady for "this service" only price, it is time related first, as is clearly stated, that's just common sense, you pay for a period of time with her. It is of course rude and disrespectful, she has indicated prices for different times not services, services are provided in the time alotted. I mean she is "giving" you her body for a period, that is a huge thing for her to be just doing. I am not sure giving is the right word, I didn't know what else to say which is why I put it in quotations. Be thankful that the ladies even see us, give them the consideration they deserve, and in the end, a tip always.

I have learnt that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. No matter how bad you have it, there is somebody worst off. To stop worrying about something. Imagine the worst that could happen in your situation. If you can live with the outcome, then you can stop worrying as the worst will probably not happen and if it did, you already know that you can accept it and live with it. I've learnt that the Cerb community is a very knowledgeable and caring bunch. There are a lot of fun regular people in Cerb Chat Each encounter with a Cerb woman seems to get better and better. Cerb women are a sexy, beautiful and caring. Most of my dates with Cerb women have exceeded my expectations. One Kind deed leads to another.

I've been paying more attention to the positive stories today...the tales of kindness and goodness that are often overlooked in disasters. I find the media pays too much attention to the blood, gore, smoke and fire, and when a suspect is found, they cover every detail of their life. This only encourages other attention-seeking madmen to create their own act of mayhem. I don't know if any of you are redditors (http://www.reddit.com), but when everything started unravelling yesterday, pages immediately sprung up from people offering everything they could - places to stay, meals, cell phones, frequent flyer miles, hotel stays...the list is endless, and impressive. As someone posted previously...look to the helpers. They're always there, and deserve more praise and attention.

Gents when in doubt about whether a picture in an ad is real, the best free tool available is TinEye Reverse Image search. http://www.tineye.com/ Just type the URL into the box, click the search box and voila - you either have the real deal or evidence of bait and switch. Bookmark it in your toolbar, it's a great way to save yourself some hard earned cash.

Hey there yes i went and seen her i was in the area and thought i should check it out . keep you money

There is nothing wrong with being in a relationship while you are working in this business. There are more ladies who are dating someone or married in this business than people realize. Like anything else what happens at work, stays at work and outside of the closed door you live your life as everyone else does. Having a partner who supports you and who understands you will only benefit you and your business in the long run. We have to fib as it is 90% of the time with our double life, so having someone who gets it makes it that much easier to feel normal at times. Most of the men we spend time with are married or have a girlfriend, so why shouldn't we have the same personal pleasure?

Well, it's been far too long since I posted here! So, someone I haven't given a tip o' the hat to yet... EmJ! So, what do you want to know that you don't know already? She's smart. She's funny. She's hot. But you can get all that from reading her posts and looking at her pics, so you don't need me to spell it out for you. And, of course, she's very religious... You can visit the temple if you like... but you probably won't see too much of it, because the High Priestess is terribly distracting... Anyway, we're very lucky to have her here on the board! Hopefully she'll stay with us for a long time to come.

This thread hits close to my heart. Thank you, Karina, for being so forthcoming and honest about your feelings. It has created a safe environment for people to post about their own experiences. Hopefully we can all learn from one another, and move forward with compassion, kindness, and love for ourselves. Perhaps this isn't the appropriate place or time to discuss my experiences, but this story might illuminate the complexities of loving people, regardless of whether the relationship is bounded by the particular circumstances of the SP/client relationship. I hope this helps, Karina, and I hope others who are reading are compassionate and understanding. In May 2011, a client and I fell in love. Was it wrong? Definitely not. Was it complicated? Very. We had so much in common and he inspired me. He encouraged me to apply to law school, write poetry, start a blog, and share my thoughts with the world. At one point he bought me a beautiful leather bound journal and said I inspired him as well. We wrote e-mails to each other endlessly, and saw each other approximately every two weeks. He was writing a novel, and I was reading it and providing him feedback on it. The novel's love story turned out to be representative of the love he and I shared. As he learned more about my life, he would integrate those moments into the narrative. It was beautiful to see our love story unfold both on paper, via e-mail, and in real life. The problem: he was single but contemplating getting back together with his ex and I was in a relationship with a woman I married several months later. While on a trip to Chicago, he and I decided to part ways. After a morning of blissful relaxation, lovemaking, kissing, and caressing, we went out for lunch. I looked at him and said I felt very confused and conflicted. I told him I loved him, but that it was complicated. I asked him what we were doing, and whether we wanted to move forward with a 'relationship'. With hindsight, I recognize that we were already in a relationship, simply a relationship of a different nature. Neither of us had satisfying answers. My relationship with this client was bounded by the financial exchange, but I knew I would lose my relationship with my partner if I continued to see him. We walked to Millenium Park and sat on a bench, and watched people walk by. We held hands, and we both cried and mourned the end of our relationship. While he and I were negotiating my departure from Chicago (and the relationship) we had doubts. He said "even how we have discussed this, with so much love, compassion, and understanding, makes me wonder whether we are making a mistake Nathalie" I shook my head, I wasn't sure. I went home to my partner, told her what happened, and that was the beginning of the end of my relationship with her. We separated in the summer of 2012. At the time, I made the decision that made sense for me. I have no regrets. However, Karina, I would ask that you not romanticize relationships that aren't bounded by a financial exchange. Money does not necessarily corrupt authentic love and intimacy, rather, it's our discomfort with the idea of mixing both that causes tension. I think it's important to keep in mind that most relationships have unnegotiated financial dynamics (for example, many marriages and long-term relationships) which can cause much more tension than the honest and open communication that's possible with clients in this industry. If it feels right to you, then tell him, whilst simultaneously keeping in mind all the questions, comments, and concerns raised by Samantha Evans as well as others. None of us are walking in your shoes (or his). Wanting to keep love, intimacy, and care in one world, and money in another is what most people do, but we should all have a better understanding of what really happens in this industry... it is so much more complicated than that, isn't it?

Hello Cerb..!! I would like to have your opinion about a subject that I would like to share with you for a long moment. I know that a similar thread has been do in another forum from another province but I thought it was important to make one for Ottawa. I have been solicited, Im sure Im not the only one, for ''only this service'' and not being offered the respect for my time or sessions. As well, the fact of underpricing, cutting price for these '' onlys''. There's a lot of users who asked me ''Whats your rate only for a BJ'' or ''I want one hour but not intercourse...'' Maybe Im wrong, but I dont see a difference between having intercourse or not in my session. So, what happen to our time?? Why ''just'' a BJ doesnt worth the same thing than intercourse ???? Probably some girls offering a '' BJ price '' and I respect that but some users have to respect girls who doesnt. I think that we are not offering ''just this'' or ''that service'' but a COMPLETE service even if you are SP or MA. Should we reduce our rates but start to ask extra for everything?? If you want to kiss here, its +x$... if you want to touch here its +x$... sounds ridiculous no? I think its the same thing for us when we are solicited like this. Maybe Im wrong, so that is why I asked for you opinion and I think we need to talk about it if we want to inform new users. Ps: Sorry For my english..... ;)

To those guys that insist on asking if I am a cop, I want you to think about your question. If I was an undercover cop, would I tell you the truth and say Yes? If I was an undercover cop and you wanted me to kill your wife for money, if you asked me if I was a cop, would I tell you the truth? No, of course not, I would lie and say I am not a cop. Touching my breasts would only give you an assault charge if she was a cop. I think you need to realize that if you are worried that your sp is a cop, dont discuss business in public, dont pick her up on the street corner or a hotel lobby. I am not a lawyer, but my understand of the law in Canada is that if you are not soliciting in public, if everything is being conducted behind closed doors in a private place, you are ok. Not sure if others are noticing an increase in these types of questions, but I just have to shake my head. Cops lie all the time, especially those that are undercover. Just incase you are wondering, no I am not a cop, I am not an undercover police officer or any other combination. I am just a sp who works alone, will never work for an agency and trying to makie some money on something I love doing. I only advertise on CERB and will never do a call in public (ie, your car is very public), or in the washroom of your local restaurant etc... Have a great day!

Okay Soooooo I am sure you have heard of the Ispos or Angus Reid poll right ? Well today I did a random LeeRichards poll by text. Why text you ask ? 1 I have no idea ? 2 You can't hang up on me 3 You can't yell at me 4 You can't tell me to fuck off without at least typing "f u c k o f f " hehe Soooooo let me have a look see here ! ..... hmmmm ....... The one ? reply was that ........she ................wears a bra !!!!! Cause her nipples are always happy to see me :D I love nipples :) ooooza boooza Okay the poll is closed now. ps.....BUT feel free to text me your bra or bra'less, covered up or weeeeeee I am freeeee type of opinions anytime. My phone is on 24/7 !!

Yummy pogos. Haven't had those in ages. Got to eat some rusty romaine salad (at least they had cranberries and walnuts in the salad) and vegetable soup (though they advertised mushroom soup on the cafeteria menu, and I so wanted/love mushroom soup).

Here is a pic of my birthday lasagna. Paid $100 in ingredients and it weighed at least 40 lbs. Was it ever good though.....Have enough leftovers to last me a while. Also had a bakery chocolate cake with whipped cream. Better then any cake I've ever made...The best birthday ever!

These days I say PassionVitto has the most wonderful smile. Seeing her in chat in the morning is an awesome way to get the day going!!!

Wednesday Summer 9-4 aka "SUMMER LOVE" Talia 9-6 NEW aka "Talia" Charlie 9-11 aka "Traveling Charlie" Samantha 3:30-11 aka "Naughty Samantha" Jamie 3:30-11 aka "Jamie-xo" Salina 6-11 NEW NEW MA gems Cherry & Sierra not too be missed!!! Cherry http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=7045 Sierra http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=7054 New Sexy Pics http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=22187 Come for a 4 hand massage in our getaway room....an experience you will never forget Ottawa's Best Room! ------HST included in ALL PRICES------ Regular Room spacious and in room shower Single Massage: --------30 minutes $55. --------45 minutes on special for $65. --------60 minutes $80. --------90 minutes $120. Session time @ Discretion of MA :wink: Duo Massage: --------30 minute on special for $80. --------45 minute on special for $100. --------60 minute on special for $130. Getaway Room Fee: Room Features a hot tub,6 ft custom shower and fireplace for your enjoyment Single Massage: --------30 minutes $70. --------45 minutes $85. --------60 minutes $100. --------90 minutes $150. Session time @ Discretion of MA :wink: Duo Massage/Couples Massage: --------2 Attendant --------30 minute $100. --------45 minute $120. --------60 minute $150. Couples Massage: ------1 Attendant --------30 minute $70. --------45 minute $85. --------60 minute $100. ------HST included-------- Longer Session times available and at the Discretion of MA :wink: Talia Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=T&t=127882 Summers Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=S&t=45598 Jamie Recommendations & Discussions http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=104412 & http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=J&t=114727 Jamie Charlie Salina (NEW) Samantha Talia (NEW) Summer

Had a great visit. Met some nice gents. A few I'd love to see again. .. love this city. Can't wait to come back....if you missed me this go round....be watching for my announcement. ..next time we'll catch up. ;) Additional Comments: Btw am available until 3:30 today

I'm glad you had fun! and you won a bottle of wine (and a patch and a pair of pasties!) by popping a glitter-filled-balloon on the keester of a sexy lady...that was such a neat idea for a raffle! haha and yes...we always say...the more you cheer..the faster the clothing falls! :D

Discretion is as important for us as providers as it is for you as a hobbiest.. We also have family and friends that don't have a clue about our work.. It is to our best interest to keep discretiion and that's part of our proffesionalism and ethics.. No reputable sp or ma would be ever interestested in interfeering with your personal life... Saying that go ahead and enjoy a wonderful time with that lady you have chosen and off course if u are up to sharing the experience I am sure many would like to hear it! Good luck!!!

8 year old Marin Richard losing his life in the Boston bombing yesterday. So sad...

Petite sexy Blonde who wants to take care of you! anything better then that ? nope! so book an appointment today here from 9 till 2 don't miss out ;)613-523-6199 or pm me xox

Definitely have to have some kissing. ...it feels forced or fake even without it...just my opinion but I think honesty and openness to be the most important factors when I'm meeting with a hobbyist Idk how else I'd begin lol. It's definitely awkward when it isn't present. ...just my two cents worth

Because I am a full time University student and SP'ing very unpredictably(because also of my other part-time job) For me personally, I am focusing on not SP'ing or Uni in general, but my youth and personal life; but I will say this loud and proud; being a part-time Sp does NOT, NOT, NOT define me and how I am as a young woman!! period!!!!! I can promise you that there are TONS of people whether that be at school, or on the street etc that would NEVER guess of me being an 'SP' no matter how 'beautiful', 'sexy' they think I am!!! However, SOMETIMES there are things left unsaid and with my friends and people at school I do NOT tell them about my 'secret double life' of part-time sp'ing, and whether you are an SP or hobbyist, that may be the right thing for you to do with certain people in your life, while others may very well know what you do and have no problem with it because they know YOU as the WONDERFUL amazing person you are and do not hold that stigma and generalization against you like some people who plain and simple do not understand the real modern day of Sp'ing and hobbyists. Sadly, not EVERYONE will be able to proudly tell everyone what they are doing and get accepted with open arms, as there are a lot of 'haters' out there who no matter what want to look at the negative side, which is why whether or not you are in the dating world you learn to shut certain people out and do only what is right for you!! Whether you are an SP or hobbyist!! Personally, I am lucky to have an amazing person by my side who not only supports me but I support her every step of the way with no judgement of what I do or she does because at the end of the day nobody is perfect no matter who you are!! I think it is ridiculous is someone thinks an SP cannot be in love and have a normal, loving and nurturing relationship!! Everyone is capable and deserving of love, no matter what gender or profession!! =D

My nipples are waay too sensitive to go bra-less! I'm a terribly ticklish girl, so I wouldn't be able to handle them rubbing around my tops! I've actually gotten quite a few orgasms simply with nipple play!;)

I think that following your own heart is all that matters. If it's too complicated for you to work and have a relationship, it's good that you know that. If you can make the separation between work and the rest of your life, that's wonderful, too. One thing that many of us face is when the boyfriend or partner really isn't able to deal with our work. This is not unusual: men don't share very well, most of the time. Some men like the idea of dating a paid companion because they imagine she will be a fantastic sexual partner, or at least the sort of person who will never say no. These are fantasies; reality can be very different. But that's true for all relationships. Even good friendships start out with a lot of idealized expectations. It's when they settle down to the reality of life that we see what the relationship really is or can be. If he can understand that what you do is your job and not a series of relationships, that's best. But if he gets caught up with who you've seen, how many people you've entertained this week, what you earned, appointments you've scheduled for the days and weeks to come, and what goes on in your encounters, you may have a problem. If he's too quick to assume that if you're tired, or not feeling well, or preoccupied with something that it's because of your work, and is interfering with his life, you do have a problem. If he ever makes unkind remarks about you in terms of your work, you have a serious problem and should end the relationship.

I have dated three women who worked in this business. Only one of those three situations caused problems. Two things I saw that attributed to that was: She could not keep her working experiences to herself, always talking about what she did to this guy or that guy or what they did to her and the stuff she really liked. That caused jealousy on my part. Especially if she did stuff that we weren't doing regularly in our own relationship. Second, she always used me as an excuse to not work, because she said she didn't want to hurt my feelings for not being with me enough. At the same time when we were together she took calls and di last minute dates. The other two relationships were great!, Why? Because the work was kept discreet, no discussions. Our time together was pre-determined so there were no interuptions from phone calls, or last minute appointments. Our time together was our time. I never imposed on their working days either. Keeping those two simple things in mind, a relationship while working was do-able.

Roksi, who's coming to Ottawa for a long-awaited visit in May! Here's a thread about her: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22238&highlight=Roksi and http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87870

There is an entire section of the forums dedicated to legal issues. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet there is some extensive discussion of massage activities. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=279 (hope the link works) Short version is: There are dozens of fully, 100% legal massage "body rub" establishments in Ottawa, (and other major Canadian cities like Toronto, etc). In said establishments, you can receive a massage and what is euphemistacally called "full release" but more happily euphemised as a "happy ending". In short, if I can be crude for a moment here, you can get your rocks off. As long as it is in a licensed establishment and there is NO penetrative sex (anal, oral, vaginal), then you're good to go and can brag on your Facebook page to your vicar, gramma, and local constable if you want with no fear of repercussions. errr... LEGAL repercussions. My gramma, at least, can give one hella disapproving scowl and I'd hate to be the cause of one of them. If you go to see a private MA or an unlicenced parlour, the legal aspect gets a bit trickier, but you're still pretty safe. As long as no one is communicating publicly for the purposes of soliciting blah blah blah snooze - did I mention the legal section of the forums? - yer awright. Basically, the police haven't been actively pursuing even the "grey areas" around the sex industry for some time now, as long as there is no coercion, trafficking, or other illegal activity hand in hand with it. (again, don't take my word for it - read the legal forums on CERB and get up to speed) Did I say "short version"? Sheesh! That's one longwinded short version!

Made it through the worst day of every year, the anniversary of my mom's painful death. Tonight I will have a Jim Beam and water and listen to some Anne Murray, which is what she would be doing on Friday night in Heaven!

Smiles are infectious So I want so send out a BIG smile to everyone in New Brunswick.

There's a lot of very good advice here, Karina. While telling this gentleman your feelings could be good, pay attention to the wise advice you've received from Old Dog and Cat. Take some time to think about you, too. [--][--]How are you feeling, in your own life, right now? [--][--]What kinds of stresses and concerns are you dealing with in your life? [--][--]Ours is one of the loneliest professions in the world. We spend time with many people but few ever know us well. We need to maintain good boundaries for the sake of our clients and for ourselves. Most of the time, our friends and family don't know how we're making a living or, if they do, they don't approve. It can be difficult to integrate both parts of our lives--professional and personal. Who knows you well and knows about the reality of your life and work? What kind of care and support do you receive from them? [--][--]When was the last time you had a great evening with friends or family? [--][--]When was the last time you took a vacation by yourself or with a friend or family member? [--][--]Most of the women in our line of work are kind, nurturing, compassionate, highly intuitive givers who get a lot of satisfaction out of caring for other people. One thing many of us struggle with, in our personal lives, is feeling that others care for us. If you get sick, who makes soup, brings you some tea, a movie or a stack of books? Who remembers your birthday without being reminded? Who calls you just to say hello, not to get you to do something for them? [--][--]How many clients are you seeing, on average, each week? [--][--]Do you take last-minute meetings or do you know a day or two ahead of time who you'll be seeing? [--][--]Do you see more clients than you'd like to because you need the money? Or are you working hard to advertise and communicate with potential clients but not actually entertaining as many or as often as you think would be ideal? [--][--]Our clients come to us for sex. Sure, other things are part of the encounter--talking, sharing a meal, exploring one another's thoughts and ideals. Those things are often part of what makes sex work really well for us women. Only you can know whether you've really enjoyed the sexual intimacy in your work. Be honest: how has it been for you, especially in the last couple of months? Even when our bodies respond, becoming aroused, having orgasms, we might feel that something is missing, or that our responses are almost automatic. Other than with this particular client, when have you felt lust, deep desire, yearning and exaltation for someone? [--][--]When you entered our profession, what were your long-term plans? Maybe you thought you'd work for a year or two. Perhaps you were needing to earn some money, quickly, and then realized that you might be able to pay for your education, put some money away for the future, buy a house or do some other significant thing. What goals did you have? [--][--]Every paid companion should have a retirement plan, whether that's based in putting away a certain amount of money, reaching a particular age, or being in a position to pay for something important for her future. What was your plan, originally? Has it changed, and if so, how and why? [--][--]With many important things in our lives, the reasons we start doing something are often different from, and less important than, the reasons we continue. How might this be true for you, as a paid companion? [--][--]Have you had a boyfriend or partner while also working as a paid companion--even one who may not have known about your work? If you did, what was it like for you to work and have that intimate relationship? Did you feel that the two things gave you energy? Did you feel that one got in the way of the other sometimes? If your boyfriend or partner knew about your work, how did he handle it? Did you believe what he said? Did his behaviour match his words? Some time ago, I had a client who was perfect. He never hit a false note, never did even the tiniest little thing wrong or at the wrong time. Over a couple of months, I saw him three or four times a week, for two or three hours at a time. The erotic pendulum swung very wide and never wobbled at any point in its arc from tenderly gentle to wildly kinky. I have never, in all my adult life, known anyone who always knew exactly how to touch me, where to touch and when to do it. It felt like he could look deep inside me and find things that I wasn't really sure were there. It was exhilarating. It was madness of the most delightful kind. He paid me a small fortune, though after the first couple of meetings I hardly noticed. It couldn't have continued the way it was, though. Heated romance like that always burns out eventually, and I knew it. When I realized that our interaction was basically taking over my life, not in terms of the amount of time we were spending together, but in the amount of time I was spending with him in my mind, when he was gone, and when I recognized that he may have been the best sexual partner I'd ever had but he really didn't know anything about me (and that maybe that's why it worked so well), and that my own emotions were driving me very strongly, I stopped seeing him. For weeks, I felt bereft. I felt empty. I felt dull. But after awhile, I started to feel myself again. A year or so later, he asked to see me again and I agreed. Having had some time to ponder, I was curious about what had happened. It was as good, or better, than it ever had been. And so I ended it permanently. Others might have made a different choice. But for me, this was more like an addiction than the kind of love I want to feel and to give. Everyone wants to be loved. No one ever feels loved enough. We all feel insecure about the love we feel, whether we're showing it adequately, whether it matters to the ones we love. I think this is part of being human. I also think that, if there's a grand purpose for our lives, it is to learn to love others, even when loving doesn't bring us what we most deeply need for ourselves. Love and be careful.

Miss Karina, I understand where you are, I've been there and it isn't easy to know what to do. With the right man, we can develop the most amazing relationship on every level and it can be good for both parties. I have a small client base and intense connections happen and they can grow stronger with time. The key is to ensure that it stays within the boundaries of being a mutually beneficial experience for you both. My guests understand that my feelings are genuine but it doesn't come with the usual strings of a romantic relationship because the envelope ensures it doesn't. If your client is open to exploring a more intimate emotional relationship, then take it slowly and enjoy the ride. Just remember that we are suppose to make their manhoods hard, not their lives so put no pressure on him to change his life for you and expect the same respect from him with your life. Maintain the business aspect as it keeps you both real and emotions in check when things have the potential to go left. Life is too short to miss amazing opportunities, just proceed with care and awareness... cat

Karina, having met you during your last visit to Ottawa my first reaction to your post is that the person you are referring to is one lucky fellow! In a very short time I felt your kindness and passion for life. Having spent "off the clock" social time with a few SP's and several dancers over the years I've found that many times people are different outside the bedroom. In a hotel room, without a personal relationship, there is the fantasy component for which the chemistry doesn't always translate to a personal relationship. I'd strongly recommned, if you havn't already, spend some time "off the clock" time with him in a personal social setting; perhaps dinner, hockey game, going for a walk, anything mutually enjoyable. Its not as unusual as some think for an SP and client to do something casual, especially out of town SPs. Goodness, last year I took a visiting SP to the grocery store since she had just arrived in town, was staying in a suite and needed to do groceries lol. I really feel the key is to get to know the guy in a real social setting. You may find a different person, or perhaps your initial feelings will be confirmed. I think then, after spending time together, through conversation you'll be able to tell if his feelings are mutual and if his personal circumstances are such that he is even able to pursue a relationship. I will say thou, I'm not an expert on this, but wanted to at least give you my thoughts. JacK PS: Feel free to fall for me anytime!

There have been a number of threads on this topic and the general consensus is that everyone is an individual. There are some hobbyists that would not be able to have a date without it because it adds so much to the time spent with the other person. This happens a lot with those people who have established a wonderful relationship with their SP/MA. There are those who will do it depending on the connection they feel with their SP/MA. No connection equals no kissing although there might be other intimacies such as soft touches or cuddling. Then there are those who just aren't into it for whatever reason...I've heard I don't enjoy it, I feel that's too intimate, want to keep things more professional etc. It really depends on the man/woman and their SP/MA. Relationships, sex and intimacy are such dynamic energies that you just never know what could happen in any given moment! I for one say YES PLEASE! lol but only if the gentleman in question enjoys that sort of thing.

I would like to nominate Exotic Touch Danielle! Danielle is a very sweet, genuine and naturally sexy lady. I truly cherish our friendship in our work and private life. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=17404

I have been to both Angels and Paradise along with other spas in the past and there has never been an issue with shower protocol. In a lot of cases I have appreciated the few minutes alone in the shower before being joined by someone. It allows for the opportunity to wash away a lot of the accumulated dirt and grime depending on where you are coming from. I would not expect any of these fine ladies to have to deal with the build up of the day. I would expect that an MA joining you in the shower would be more along the lines of "sensual sudsing" rather than something approaching a level of basic grooming. There is some "dirt" that I would rather deal with myself... That being said I would suggest as others have that you "communicate" your desires to the MA in question. I, for one have never had an MA turn down an invitation for "sensual sudsing", it just helps to set the mood and the anticipation for whats to come! There is one MA with an incredible set of dimples that comes to mind... Rodehard

I think threads like this are more important than we even realize as self acceptance is first and formost in becoming a well rounded human being, hence living a healthy productive life. So if you are a parent teach your children messages like this, confidence, acceptance of themselves and others, to love because anything that is loved unconditionally will emit beauty. Share these lessons, messages and thoughts as they can never be told and seen to often. I too am a beliver in the power of the media to convolute the minds of the weak, not unlike a bully who demeans a vulnerable victim and causes them to think they are unfit as they are and need to conform to something "ideal". There is nothing more beautiful than a confident person, it truly is a persons best asset.

For those hungry to learn even more... If you take a look on the User CP page...you need to scroll down all the way to the bottom, it will show you who's given you recent points, either by commenting on / approving of one of your posts, or by awarding you a nomination. FR

I was priveleged to be Mz Behave's first client in her new dungeon. It was not finished but very nice. She was much more beautiful than I expected and more attractive than her pictures suggest. Her breasts are the next thing to perfect and the rest of her face and her body is spectacular as well. She looks fabulous walking around in her spike heeled boots or even in her bare feet. She has a nice smile and makes you feel welcome right away. She is attentive and demanding at the same time. She can put you in your place and keep you wanting to be there. She can be as intense as you want and tries to give you what you want. You can communicate with her via email and tell her exactly what you want. She appreciates that and will provide it. Give this beauty a try. You will not regret it. My experience with her was great and I look forward already to the next time she disciplines me. percyvall

i pay my accountant by the hour - i pay my lawyer by the hour -i pay my house cleaner by the hour- all professionals -why would your services be any different- except more enjoyable