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To put it bluntly, and I apologise in advance if this offends anyone (not my intention) but do any of the independent contractors you mentioned above get intimate with you? Do any of them kiss you, suck your cock, massage you, shower with you, put on beautiful lingerie for you, let you explore their bodies, etc. and give you orgasm(s)? I bet not! If it's all the same to those of you who like to negotiate, perhaps you should start a side-line business and experience first hand how it feels to be low-balled by someone looking for a deal for this type of extremely intimate experience/service. On a different note, if you can't afford your car repairs, yes, you can always try to get a better price and that reduction will come off the price of the parts --the mechanics will still get paid the same-- OR you can always take the bus, train, subway, or better yet, walk or bike... No one says that you HAVE to see an SP when you don't have the money.

You guys can argue this stuff until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the reality on the ground. Ever heard the saying, "I don't make the world. I just try to live in it."? Wanna try to negotiate rates? Go for it. Be aware though that the consequence is that many of the better ladies here will IMMEDIATELY blacklist you and never see you just for bringing it up. Hope that $20 you were trying to save was worth it. I'll even go you one better. I would bet dimes to donuts that you guys are ALREADY in some ladies blacklists just for having this discussion. It shows a certain level of tastelessness and low class that I expect many of these ladies are not interested in experiencing. But hey, good luck with your bargain hunting. More ladies for me.

Really I started but I couldn't even read the whole thread. This is just too stupid to talk about. I'll just make a couple of points based on the discussion points that I did actually read: First: Any guy that attempts to equate this luxury with any other industry in an attempt to justify a reason for negotiation and is arrogant enough to come on CERB to try to make his case, just comes off looking like a douchebag. (Go on another punk board you might find some like minded sympathizers to pander to you) However, if you do try to negotiate with a lady where the (usually written rule) of no negotiation is EVERYWHERE then you sir don't just look like a douchebag, you are one! My uncle once told me something about luxuries that really stuck with me. I asked him how much he paid for his new Corvette and he replied, "Son, let me tell you something about money. If you truly have to ask the price of something, then you can't afford it." If the fact that a ladies requested donation might be 50 bucks lower after a negotiation and that is actually going to sway your decision to see her then you really shouldn't see her because you can't afford it. Or, quite frankly if you feel negotiation might get you $50 off and then you'll feel good because you bested the lady in some way, you're just an asshole! Second: I have visited with ladies with a rate structure from 200 per hour to 500 per hour and I can unequivocally say that rate is in NO WAY a reflection on quality. It is purely a business decision that the lady has made that works for her and her life situation. Bottom line, if you've got $250 don't go looking for a $300 lady.

Ya ok, this is starting to get a little side tracked ... NO one is saying shame on those who offer discounts or special rates-I do it myself... This is about approaching a lady and indicating that one only wants to spend set amount of dollars fully knowing the price they are looking for is NOT the price that the lady is offering-that is what we are referring to ;) So lets not misconstrue this...its a really simple piece of advice on how to not insult some of us. And yes - I am speaking for the ladies who do not like it-not the ones who do or who welcome it. :) For example this is a text I have received from the same person at least 12 times since March-and I will never ever see this person, even if he was the last client on earth-for reals! I am a clean business man who is looking for a bbbj with cim and greek-I have 80$. :spank::whipping::whip: True story-hows that for a turn on...NOT

So, here is an example of someone who decided to listen to the minority on this discussion. He is a new member and thought, well, if they say its ok to negotiate, then I will. So, he contacted me a couple of weeks ago - very respectful and asked me my rates. He asked if he could see me for $50 less then my rate, and I politely told him I do not negotiate. He said, ok, I will contact you when I have the money. He then contacted another provider who is well reviewed. He asked her "can I see you for $50 less". She agreed. His experience is as follows: He really wanted a bbbj - he got a cbj. He wanted MSOG, he got SSOG. His total time from the time he left his car to the time he got back in his car was a total of 12 minutes. No kissing, no daty, she wore a basic outfit instead of the sexy outfit she usually wears. So, he went away disappointed. Yes, he got off, but he felt like he had received less then he hoped for. So, this is how she dealt with a negotiator. She gave less service then she normally does, and did this because he paid less then her rate. He came to see me, paid my rate in full, plus gave me a $100 tip for the great service I gave him. He got everything he wanted and left with the biggest smile on his face. I talked with her about this, and her response was "if they think they can get the same service as someone who pays my full rates, they have another thing coming - I don't have time for these negotiators, and this is the only way they will learn". I was glad she handled it this way, because this hobbyist will probably think twice before trying to negotiate with someone in the future. If you are thinking of listening to the fools that feel it is ok to negotiate, remember this, you will not get the same service as someone who pays the full rate - bottom line, there is not ONE provider out there that enjoys negotiators. They may agree to the reduced rate, but you will never get the same service as the one who pays her asking rate. Please stop trying to justify that it is ok to negotiate - you are just digging a bigger hole. Plus you are showing us your true colors. If you think that those that have not replied have not seen your idiotic justifications as to why you can, you are on the permanent do not book list. We all have one - are you on that list? To the gents that have come out and clearly shown that it is not ok to negotiate, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Just because we offer specials from time to time, it does not mean you can further reduce our rates. If you can't afford her, or have that mentality of "I want to get the lowest rate possible", please leave those of us alone and move on.

I think the whole thread is about the fact that just the question is offensive. The fact is, it isn't possible to ask someone in this business to take less than their quoted rates without offending them, because it implies, like it or not, that you don't think she is worth what she charges. And that will always be the bottom line, not that you can only take 100 out of the ATM so that's all you have, but that you don't think she should be charging 120 so you decide you aren't going to pay her 120. In a business, and on forums, a big reason why there are sps providing higher risk services and lower and lower rates is due to pressure just like this. And let's face it, there comes a time when the sps say enough, no more, they aren't going to sit silent any longer about this degradation of this business. It's insulting to have someone imply you aren't worth it, and that is all anyone really needs to know about this subject. regarding the mechanic agreeing to a certain price, they will do that only in TRUE negotiation, by not providing all of the work and time that was in the original quote. And specifically mentioned by me: if you expect an sp to drop her rate, if you were doing a real negotiation you would first tell her that you do not want something normally provided in that regular rate.

An offered/advertised special is far different than a flat out negotiation. I also never implied to speak for all ladies, actually, I made it quite clear that I didn't. Thank you for understanding the most important reason for this thread tho :) .... Reading ads and websites thoroughly is the only way to go!

Of all the things I have learned while hobbying, I believe this to be the most important. Regardless of the size, intensity or load of your orgasm, the ladies have warned me...."NOT IN MY FU*&!NG HAIR!!!!" ;)

Usually The negotiators Are No shows and at times very rude - Once a client begins to negotiate Our Online Booker/Phone Booker would simply say good bye and hang up.

Yes actually, I have. A former regular who enjoyed kneeling on the bed, me at the edge & finishing on my face, did this. After stressing that he was not to go in my upper face, as I always do, & even though I had his junk at the correct perspective, as you call it, he grabbed himself quickly changing his trajectory to an upward one & shot most of it into my eyes. After refraining from punching him in his twig & berries, I scooped as much as I could into my hand & slapped it into his face & pushing him hard, back right off the bed. I didn't think it was funny & I imagine he no longer does either. Although in honesty I don't know as he stopped trying to call after realizing I wasn't responding. Sandi

Take a read of some of the ladies' websites, it clearly states negotiating or asking for a reduced rate is considered insulting and will result in your email not being replied to, or words to that effect. Perhaps reading the etiquette or Q&A section of many ladies' websites would make the negotiators realize how inappropriate and disrespectful negotiating is. Even if that doesn't spell it out clear enough for anyone wanting to negotiate, read this thread from start to finish including comments/thanks...how many ladies do you see posting saying "yes negotiate with me", and how many are saying don't negotiate, it's insulting etc And if a lady has a choice between seeing a client who is negotiating her rate down, and one who will respect her by paying her rate in full, who do you think she will see This lifestyle is a wonderful lifestyle, which is supposed to be mutually beneficial and mutual respect. But it is a luxury, not an entitlement. If you can't afford to see a lady, then don't, but don't insult her by trying to nickel and dime her rate down. Let her deal with serious enquiries from gentlemen who want to see her and will happily pay her donation at her stated rate RG

Highlights of my day: 1) lost my virginity Nothing else really compares with that, but here are some other minor highlights: 2) Made last post before getting full member on cerb (this one lol) 3) got my paycheck 4) shaved off my beard that I've worn for the past 8 years (some mixed feelings about this one)

It was a little under two years ago that I had my first experience with an SP, and oh boy, was I a nervous noob! I count myself extremely lucky that my first provider was so patient, sexy and skilled. I must have spent months debating the idea of seeing an SP. I couldn't say how many hours I viewed and admired different ads, thinking to myself "should I...shouldn't I...". It's a pity in all my looking around I'd never come across Cerb at the time, as a couple of those beginner threads may have helped me avoid a few mistakes. I'm fairly certain I spent at least an hour crafting my opening message, and even then I left out fairly standard information which I know now is helpful to include. I had researched enough to at least be aware of the etiquette that I was supposed to clearly but discreetly leave the donation in plain site at the beginning of the encounter. I must have made sure a dozen times on the way to her location that I had everything in order, and kept reminding myself to nonchalantly present it like the cool cat I was pretending to be. Well the moment I walked in and saw her every thought went out of my head except how sexy she looked. Which unfortunately meant she eventually had to discreetly ask if I had anything for her... Happily, she made the slip-up no big deal and we quickly moved past it. Her conversation skills were excellent and, knowing it was my first experience with a provider and no doubt sensing my nerves, she guided the conversation smoothly and naturally. And in due time she moved the encounter along towards a place where the details are mine alone. Suffice to say she went above and beyond to make my first experience an entirely enjoyable one down to the genuinely friendly goodbye. I'm fairly certain I also made the faux pas of going over my time, but truly I didn't realize that until after I'd left! While I only rarely have the opportunity to enjoy an encounter with an SP, having done some more reading since then--and with the help of Cerb--I'm lucky enough to be able to say the few experiences I've had since then with other ladies have also all been very positive. But I remain thankful to my first SP, who back when I didn't have much of a clue was kind enough to guide me along and make my introduction such a positive memory.

Sort of echoing Nicolette's point but from another vantage point. I've read complaints about certain providers being for lack of a better phrase, less than professional. But if clients or prospective clients are going to treat ladies as less than professional by doing things such as negotiate then expect to attract a certain type of provider. But treat the ladies like the professional companions they are, and you will attract professional companions. So to anyone who wants to negotiate rates. Well any lady willing to let a man negotiate her rate, don't turn around at the end of the encounter and complain about her if the date was unsatisfactory. You get what you pay for and if you want to devalue her time and services, also expect devalued time and services in return Hope that rambling makes sense. From a guy who values the encounters and escapes you ladies provide. RG

Ladies and gents, its now official !! The Ottawa September Social will be held Thursday, September 19th, so mark your calendar!! There will be 60 spots available (30 gents and 30 ladies) for members in good standing. Gents, tickets will be made available soon, at a cost of $35, which will cover snacks, drinks for the ladies and door prizes. I will keep everyone up to date via this thread as things progress. As it's an event organized by CERB members for members, you can contact myself, Loneskater or Spud271 directly should you have questions. Cheers!! MisterT

Tallguy, I would suggest something along the lines of a simple "OK, thanks so much for the reply and information. Have a good day/night." It's polite and let's you acknowledge their response without leading them on, but also isn't so long that you have to worry you're wasting their time.

My 2 cents: Many ladies do offer special rates when things are "slow" or like myself offer a reduced rate when nature gets in the way of FS...Does this make me a bad SP? No, I don't think so, and neither do the people who book that special. We don't all do things the same way, and if you do things differently, feel free to continue doing what works for you... but DO NOT imply that negotiable rates are wrong for EVERYONE, only yourself. As said previously in this thread, your voice is yours, not that of all SPs. Don't wanna be bargained with? DON'T REPLY. Asking about reduced rates/specials isn't a crime, but if the lady advertises non-negotiable prices then you can expect her to get angry about it. Continuing to bargain AFTER being told no is just annyoing. What else is there to discuss? End of story.

As was mentioned in the pre-planning thread, the Sep social will be held at a new venue. Main reason behind, is that our previous location was becoming to public. This is the second time we have to change location for discretion purposes. There aren't too many places in the downtown core that can hold such a large group on Thursday so we would like to keep the same place for a while. Therefore I would like to remind everyone that the location is on a need to know basis. It will not be revealed until much later and only to those that are attending. So please keep it to yourself. All we will revealed for now is that it is in the downtown core so easy to get there by various transportation means. Keep in mind that discretion is extremely important in this business for ladies and gents. This is suppose to be an office party (meet and greet) so we have to be careful of what is being said in front of the staff. Also use of certain handles should be avoided. I don't think many offices has someone named Loneskater!!! Hope everyone has a great time and gets to meet new people. MisterT and I have already done a quality assurance check on the beer. it did meet our standards on all our visits. lol

There is one HUGE point that seems to consistently be glossed over be the "negotiators". The facts that, if an ad or a website clearly states the duration and donations offered with the addition of "prices are firm and shall not be negotiated", then, yes, it is rude to negotiate. Quite simple really. Additional Comments: There is one HUGE point that seems to consistently be glossed over be the "negotiators". The facts that, if an ad or a website clearly states the duration and donations offered with the addition of "prices are firm and shall not be negotiated", then, yes, it is rude to negotiate. Quite simple really.

Was there on Monday and had a couple of drinks and dances with a lovely very attractive ebony lady with a very sweet body!! She is from Montreal, her name is Elizabeth. Jazy a member from here on Cerb dances there as well. :) They have tequila Tuesdays there as well, and today & tonight they have 14 ladies there. :) Drop in on a Tequila Tuesday,(I believe they have now have a shuttle service for a mere 20 bucks from city area there and back) Things there at Tease have picked up for the better! Oh and Thursdays/Friday nights are also very busy as the dancers have told me.

I was thinking the same thing. We all have a 'natural' preference for certain physical characteristics, even if those preferences aren't always politically correct (I can think of many examples). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a fetish is when, whatever the characteristic is, it needs to be present for you to enjoy yourself (sexually and emotionally). For example, if you have a fetish for balloons, you can't get off without them. Or if you have a fetish for green eyes, you can't have sex with someone with blue eyes, etc. Perhaps some of the kinkier folk on the board can help. But yes. Hijack. Oups. In response to the OP, I don't think it's a fetish at all. Beauty is beauty. Period. I've met gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous, women of all size. <3

There was indeed a member who advertised rates negotiable, a cerbie for a week roughly and also at the same time triple posted in the shoutbox. Craig.....let's go with the likelihood that there is 99% consistency on this topic amongst the ladies and let us all respect the ladies for the work they do and the amazing times they offer us fellas to experience. No strings attached good times at a non-negotiable price. Well worth it in my experience.

I think one comment back in the thread somewhere was comparison to McDonalds. Well, if i go to McD's I can't negotiate. I can order something off the menu and pay what the total is, and if I don't pay that total, I won't get everything I ordered, simple as that. And if I want more items, they will charge me for those items in addition. So not sure sometimes how some things get added into the comparison when they aren't comparable at all. One thing that does come to mind tho is why do these guys think sps post rates and/or tell them rates when they call? As an opening to negotiation, or because that is what we are charging for the services they are requesting? I am not sure what guys who don't negotiate think we are hearing, but most of the time it isn't 'can you take 20 off just today, for your half hour rate (or massage rate)?" It is much more likely to be: Can I get an hour for 120, FS with GFE, even tho 120 is what you tell him is your half hour FS rate. It is "I only have 50 (or 60) what can I get for that, (or I want a half hour FS for that)" even after you just finished telling him your (nonFS) lowest rate is 100. It is getting a call from someone who has been before, and the last visit they were short 20 so you agreed to see them anyway, now calls you up (everytime, not just once) asking for yet another 20 off the discounted rate, or they won't make the appointment. It is the guys who think they are negotiating, but when asked "what are you giving up in order for me to reduce by that 20 bucks", they don't plan to take any item off the menu, or even offer to stay for less time. This is not a negotiation, it is a hostage situation. Agree, or I won't make an appointment, and as others point out, this can be an intimidation tactic against newer sps (or even sps certain guys think are new because they don't usually advertise on a specific site). Bottom line, if we wanted to charge less for our time and services, we would be charging that lower amount. You won't have to ask. If we want to put on a one day sale with reduced rates, you will see them at that time, you don't have to ask. If we tell you specific rates for specific things, as I've told many callers, the rates either work for you or they don't. It isn't my responsiblity to provide at rates that do work for you. If you want to come to see me, and I gather you do because you phoned me, then pay the rate. I've also in the past said if 20 bucks means that much to you, best keep the whole thing and not come and see me. Because 20 bucks also means a lot to me.

It is an interesting phenomenon, and sometimes what you will see connected to sp's moving locations and changing their names will be the same age is used for the new persona even tho she is technically 2 years older. It is a difficult business to be in to show older ages, for sure, and sometimes there is an old school mentality that says "younger is better", and sp's working for agencies feel that the most. They may be 30, but the agency posts them at 23, something they cannot pull off, but they are the ones face to face with client.s If that sp goes indy, she may be stuck with that age range, and have a hard time posting a more accurate one. Also, there is a sense that the age is already inaccurate, so those who use their actual real age have guys auto adding 5 years to it, and assuming their 30 is 35 plus. So some sps got into the habit of posting an age they can pass for, knowing that someone is already adding the 5 years they deduct the 5 in order to post an accurate age that someone will believe before they call, And then you have the ones who actually use their real ages, and comment that they do, and know that at least half the readers are saying 'yeah, right', and adding the 5 plus years to it already, if not more, because she's so adamant it is her real age. :) But, you also have to keep in mind the younger young ones. The ones who were actual 16-17 posting as 18 or 19 when they started. So are they staying the same age 5 years later, or are they simply now posting their real and legal age now.

I don't support negotiators I'm not against negotiators. If the lady says not negotiable that ends everything. If you just would have said this and only this from the get go..imagine all the thanks your post would have gotten, and how much shorter this thread would have been LOL

I'm going to make it this time :D

count me in too xoxox

Not too long ago I got an idiot who asked me for half-price special. I told him that he might as well keep his money as he need it way much more than I do. That is how I see negotiators. If any negotiators on this board are offended by my comment: GOOD! I'm not interested to do business with you. Pay the rates or die starving.

As this thread unfolded i was thinking along the same lines ... not necessarily about "feeding trolls", but where there is discussion there is room for negotiating - negotiating being somewhat a form of discussion. We most definitely want to make ourselves (the Ladies) heard and most importantly understood, but hopefully when reality strikes (as it always does) and Negotiation comes-a-knocking we can hold ourselves tall and stand strong with our decisions of what we will do and will not do and NEVER have to endure being bullied because our choices don't seem to jive with others.

I think Meg was pretty spot on with her opening thread quoted here. Just some are pretty slow picking up the ball, if they ever can pick up the ball RG

I personally don't like all these acronyms. When I book an encounter with a lady it is because there is something about her that is beautiful and attractive and makes me want to meet her. To label attraction to "gulp" (I hate using the acronym) a BBW as a fetish is insulting and dehumanizing to a woman. What is more accurate is that a man is attracted to a woman...PERIOD!!! Personally I have been and am attracted to women of all shapes, sizes and ages, because there has/is something about each and every one of them that is attractive and beautiful A rambling from a BUM (big ugly man LOL) RG

This isn't directed at you Craig101 but in the above quote you mention why is there no consistency? Because everything in this industry has gone to shit. When I first started in this business, it was rare that guys tried to negotiate. Many SPs were in line and on par with their rates and there was no problem in receiving them because they set their rates to what the market could bear and being realistic. Yes, the economy was a lot better but that's beside the point. Now with all these classified sites, everything has run amok and gone the opposite direction. I do blame them because those sites are geared toward the mainstream public and women think they can get into this business with just having a cell phone, a lap top and throw some ad up. Seems as though gone are the days where being a companion and all its effort is just a "suck and fuck and get lost" to some for lack of better words. "No restrictions", etc, etc. I do wish there were some sort of set standards as there are in other professions. Still, there are ladies out there who take the time and effort and not just grab whatever cash they can get. That speaks volumes! I cannot stand those classified sites and stayed off of them for the last 4 months. I don't judge those for using them as I've used them myself and gotten a few good customers but I have found that I have to psych myself up to put an ad on there to deal with some of these people. Sometimes my hands were tied and had to advertise there to build up new customers. Here, I don't have that problem. This just makes me want to go start my own niche advertising site for myself and my SP friends where these classified type ads wouldn't exist.

Actually, dear one, what we're discussing here is the fact that there really is a rule or moral code that is being broken when someone attempts to negotiate our fees. You may think this is silly or trivial, but we don't. The consequence for most men will be that they're not going to be able to see the lady whose rates they've attempted to challenge. A man may have the right, in terms of the free speech right, to launch a challenge, but he will also have to accept the probable outcome. We, on the other hand, are under no obligation whatever to accept his challenge as appropriate, reasonable or something we should consider accepting, nor are we under any obligation to see someone who has tried this. You see, for most of us, attempting to negotiate our rates is a violation of boundaries and, once someone starts that kind of thing, we know that there's potentially no end in sight. The next thing we know, he'll be trying to pressure for services we don't provide, or to forget using the condom for some things or even all things. He may decide he's entitled to run overtime significantly. Or he may consider that, having our address, he's should be allowed to drop by, unannounced, as "friends" often do. He might see these things as reasonable. Most of us see them as the thin edge of a very wide and potentially dangerous wedge.

I have to say, I'm always somewhat dubious about the merits of negotiation with someone who's providing a service. If I can get something off a shelf for a bit less, that's great, but services aren't like that. Really, think about it for a moment. If you haggle with someone and pay less for their services, do you honestly imagine that you're getting the same service as you'd have got if you'd paid their asking price? That they won't cut corners, or use cheaper materials, or pay less attention to detail, or spend a little less time making sure they give you the best possible service, or go the extra mile before they just think, "Stuff it, that's good enough for this guy"? This applies to all service industries, not just the one we're concerned with on this board. But given the very personal nature of the services we're engaged in here... I think it applies more here than to some others.

I've been in this business for quite awhile. I wouldn't have stayed in it if I wasn't able to make a living and support my loved ones without doing irreparable, deep harm to myself. In the beginning, it was touch-and-go, so to speak. But I was new, had plenty to learn and the only thing that mattered to me initially was that I needed to earn a lot of money as quickly as possible. I was subjected to enormous pressure over the low fees I was charging, even then. Some people will try to bully, pressure or negotiate the fee, no matter how low it is to begin with. When I raised my rates the first time, I felt as though I was taking my children's lives in my hands. I was completely astonished to find that I had no trouble finding worthwhile clients who didn't question my quoted fees. Not only that, but they were generally a lot easier to deal with. I decided that was because they were making a clear decision to spend their money with me, whereas at the beginning I was attracting clients for whom the low fee wasn't really an issue to begin with. The next time I raised my rates, I was hesitant but not as anxious as I had been before. I wanted to see fewer people and was willing to put the effort into attracting them and then into encouraging them to return for another visit. Again, there were good clients out there who didn't question my fees. There were some who were dismissive or combative, but by that point I didn't care what they thought. I was earning what I needed to earn and I was seeing people I enjoyed. As far as I'm concerned that's the definition of near-perfection. I still receive occasional e-mail from men who think that insulting me may help convince me to see them. I've been told that I have an undeserved opinion of myself, that only a 23-year old woman who looks like a Barbie doll is worth what I charge, that in these "tough economic times" I have an obligation to lower my fees because the inquirer is having a hard time meeting his expenses and that no one really wants to pay so much for someone who's been "used" by many others before him. I've become an expert at pressing the "delete" key quickly. I'm fortunate not to need to advertise very often. I turn away far more people than I engage with because I don't have to make time for people who don't interest me. I'm thankful that I can afford to see the gentlemen I want to see. If you can't afford my fees, that's a shame. It's not my problem, though. If you're impatient to see me and don't want to wait until you can afford to spend time with me, I understand. Healthy adults have learned to delay gratification so I'm sure you'll manage somehow. If you decide that, instead of seeing me, you'll see someone whose fees are lower than mine, that's your choice. It doesn't actually have anything to do with me. That's really what it comes down to. What you can afford to pay is about you, not me. It's not my problem and it's not something I will take on. You can't afford my time, but others can.

I know people that will negotiate all services. What I find amusing is they feel that they got a "deal" to begin with and then complain when they didn't get all that they wanted or needed. Negotiating multi-hour rates like a court case or a custom built house is one thing, taking 5-10% off $100 000 still leaves a viable cash flow and small excess can be trimmed where needed to accommodate the discount. Asking me to take a 40% pay cut on my fee that has not increased in 9 years for a luxury service is simply arrogant and insulting. Pussy is not a poor mans hobby and if a man needs a discount because he genuinely doesn't have it in his pocket then he should realize that he genuinely CAN'T AFFORD to be hobbying and needs to get his financial house in order... cat

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First I'm generally speaking an outcall type of guy, seeing ladies at my hotel What I normally do is have a gift bag with the lady's donation and a gift inside, the gift usually a gift card I also have an envelope with the lady's tip inside, tucked away in a desk drawer. Upon conclusion of our encounter, I go to the desk and give the lady her tip RG

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For my 2 cents (actually a lot more) my favorite is: Eve at "A taste of EVE" absolutley gorgeos and sexy as hell !

I'm a short skirt wearer all summer long as well... and indoors all year round :)

cool -thx!

I had a great time at the last one, looking forward to being there again.

Yes, they will always exist but it is great to have a forum where we can discuss things that make us happy as well as things that irk us as long as it is done in a courteous manner. Cerb is awesome because of this and it's openness to frank discussions. I wouldn't change a thing :)

I wonder how much pressure is put on the provider when she agrees to negotiate and accepts the low ball offer... Negotiating for this kind of intimate experience is a real turn off for the provider (at least for me, my lady friends and many others) no matter how you look at it. If you can't afford her donation or you find it to high for your liking, it is simple, move on to the next lady who offers a rate you are comfortable paying. Fortunately, the majority of the gentlemen are very respectful and understand what kind of "service" they are receiving and because of that, they do not try to low ball the ladies. (I used "you" but it is not directed at you, explorer69) It is one thing when a lady (or agency) OFFERS a special and quite another when a client/potential client tries to negotiate and asks for a reduced rate ;)

Thanks, Meg! Same goes for "can you price match another lady's rate?" Sure, only if she charges more then I do! lol

Hi everyone, This is my first post EVER, I know its a touchy subject but lets be real, and not shy away from it. I am a hobbiest, and Love and respect women of all walks of life. I have a free conscious, of knowing I would not want to harm anyone. I get tested regular, even though I'm always safe, but never know, how does everyone else feel about this????

is not a long drive even at the speed limit. Come to Ottawa and make a day of it! Pembroke and Petawawa are both smallish towns.... coming from an even smaller one I can assure you that discretion would be a true challenge in those communities.