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STOP. :) Relax and take a breath. Nothing is happening, and the cops are not setting up an elaborate surveillance upon you. Your brief tryst was a big deal for you, but the rest of the world didn't notice because it is really quite busy doing other, entirely unrelated things. Did you have a good time with during your appointment? Yes? Great. Let that memory be the thing you take from it. Now take a moment to observe your slight case of paranoia-induced fear, laugh at it quietly for a moment, then throw it away, and move on. ;) And happy Thanksgiving!

If this approach works for you and the providers you see, and is mutually agreed-upon, then that is what works for you. I think what is problematic here is that you are advocating that everyone should follow this approach, and that if they do not, then they are being fooled, or ripped off, or that they won't receive the services agreed-upon if they do not pay at the end. If you don't want to see providers who ask for the money upfront, that is your choice, and you will have to choose providers who are okay with this. But please don't advocate that everyone should go against the rules set by some providers -- there are many, many reasons why we choose to ask for the money up front, including ensuring that we ARE getting paid.

Just going in and not paying the sp before the session starts isn't the same as the sp voluntarily telling clients to not pay her until after the session. To me, this is forcing her to ask for it, and when she does, he makes it quite clear she will be punished for doing that, by leaving. So she's in a really tight spot, the guy who is there versus the guy she can no longer book who does follow her payment policy, but she missed his call due to this character. So, again, just because you do not present the payment in advance and forces the sp to accept it after the session is NOT the same thing as her knowing how to comfortably ask for prepayment. Saying that "lots' of sps take payment after the session is meaningless, to me, without a list of names of sps, to give them a chance to come in and say 'that's not true' or "i did that one time, because I was too scared to force the issue. it worked out OK, but now I know to not be too shy to ask". Maybe you could just list all the websites you've found where the sp does NOT say 'please present the donation at the beginning of the session", or all the many, because there must be tons of them, websites or ads that say, please pay me after the session, I prefer it that way. Did you ever see the HBO series Cathouse? Did you ever once see any of those sps do anything other than chat with a guy before he decided what he wanted, they got the rate settled, and she makes sure he pays? And if he wants more or extra time, doesn't she say, oh, let me take care of that before we proceed? Each and everytime, in that place, prepayment. Hundreds of sps working there, thousands of clients, and no one is post paying. And that is one single location. withpassion, you have NO idea what is running thru the mind of the sp who thinks she isn't going to get paid. It is a really aggressive thing to do, in the minds of some sps. It can also be slightly humiliating to have to ask for it, or to be handed some cash, after the fact. It is a HUGE reminder that this was a paid encounter, when really that part is or should be the last thing you should be ending any session with. And yes, you ARE telling all the guys that they should be doing exactly the same thing, in other words, sending a message to force sps to comply to your demands on this issue. I don't know why you don't see that for what it is, unless this aggressive behaviour is blocking your view? Clients and sps both say it is a bad idea, for the sp, that it is actually detrimental to the quality of the experience, but somehow you like that stick or the carrot of post payment. Others disagree, and you seem somehow offended by the fact that no one here agrees that post payment is actually 'normal' lol Normal to who?

I trust somebody once to pay after.. Still waiting after my money few months later! Never again. Period.

Relax. You appear to have a case of first time jitters. The police have absolutely no interest in you or who you're having sex with. They have much more important work to do. Remember prostitution is legal in Canada. Furthermore, all that happened in the hotel lobby was that a woman texted you and said she was still getting ready. That's an innocent conversation that happens a few thousand times a day between couples across the country :-)... and then she invited you up to her room when she was ready. No problem. Not even close to the definition of public solicitation. While public solicitation is a prostitution related offence, private communication is not. When you originally set up the appointment by text, you were engaging in private communication. Texting or e-mailing someone, while discussing price, is private communication, regardless of where it takes place. You were not publicly discussing, offering, signalling, or negotiating compensation (financial or otherwise) in a public place (street, park, car, bar, hotel lobby etc). A simple way to think of public solicitation is that it is a "nuisance" law to ensure that prostitution activity occurs "out of sight... out of mind". (There are all sorts of safety issues that this raises and the recent Supreme Court hearing is considering these.) It prevents men from soliciting any and all women that walk past them on the street for example. It also prevents extra traffic in neighbourhood strolls. Seeing an escort at their incall location (e. g. hotel or residence) can be considered a prostitution related offence (being found in a common bawdy house). However, as with all indoor prostitution, if the sp and her clients are not doing anything else inappropriate to draw attention to themselves, the risk of any police action being taken is extremely low. The hotel would more than likely deal with it directly and confidentially themselves rather than calling the police. They don't want a bunch of police marching through their lobby, disturbing the atmosphere they have carefully created, unless something very serious is occurring. A couple having sex in a hotel room... As long as you're discrete, the hotel doesn't care, and the police care even less. Whether you're married to each other, common law, lovers, having an affair, a one night hook up, or a client and an sp getting together, it's all just sex between consenting adults.

If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

" The donation is for my time only..." This sentence says it all. It is always the "hobbyist" that request an encounter and ask the SP to be available for him. And it's a duty for the hobbyist to inquire before he ask what he can or can't expect from the SP. And what happens during the encounter does not rely "only" on the shoulders of the SP. Chemistry, feelings, perceptions, expectations, and so on, between two strangers cannot rely on only one side. So, it is obvious to me that when I request a date with a SP, I will pay before hand every penny that was agreed on. Some SPs will wait few minutes to allow the hobbyist to be sure that he still wants the encounter to happen; but even if this is the practice of the SP, the duty of the hobbyist is to pay the full donation. After all, the SP that has accepted to meet the hobbyist at his request, has already given a lot of time to prepare herself, and has blocked a few hours and may have refused to see other hobbyists.

You don't pay for service, you pay for time. I think this is the simple way to look at it. Any letter combo posted by a provider (bbbj, dfk, cob, and so on) mean nothing, the provider and only the provider makes the descion on what services are provided based on the client upon meeting and talking with them in person. Texting, email and PM is a very impersonal way to communicate. A great example a provider a has the power to refuse digits if I have cuts all over my hands for her own and my safety. Posted via Mobile Device

I've been trying to step back and see your point of view, but I just can't get my head around it. You say "simple, smooth, no issues" but I question what happens if you feel you didn't get what you expected. It's hard not to picture you calculating in your head what % of services you received and only giving that much of the donation. Or if you don't receive everything arranged ahead of time, do you not pay at all? If you don't pay the full donation, then even if you didn't get every agreed upon service I'd still say you were in the wrong. Not happy with an encounter, then don't repeat with that provider. But if you spend the time, then leave the donation. It's as simple as that. If on the other hand at the end you're always giving the full donation amount (as you imply happens above) then I don't understand why you wouldn't leave it at the beginning as most people seem to prefer. Even if you personally have had experiences with ladies that don't mind waiting until the end, can you truly not see how most--even if they don't express it to you during the encounter--would be spending the time worrying about it and be more at ease having the donation out of the way? How it doesn't at least appear like the client is holding the threat of not paying over her head? Even if it's not a power dynamic to your mind, can you not see how it appears that way and would be used as such by others? Bear in mind too that the ladies are always taking more risk than the gentleman, especially with first time visitors. Yes, there are dangers for the gentleman and obviously an encounter may be a disappointment. But compared to how much a lady has to protect herself from it's hard to compare. So as Mightypen said, anything that clients can do to help put a lady at ease, we should do. Doing your research, being respectful, and booking with reputable ladies will do a lot more to ensure a positive encounter than withholding a donation until the end ever will.

The fact that you insist it makes it more enjoyable for you without knowing if it made the experience more enjoyable for the providers is interesting. As Cleo mentioned, it brings power dynamics into play. Remember, we get paid to pretend to like our clients, no matter how distasteful they may be, especially if the rent is due or our kids need braces. I can assure you, until a providers trusts a client, she will be focused on whether or not she's going to get paid. It would make me question if the providers you choose are desperate for work and therefore vulnerable to your demands. The key is that you wouldn't know if that was how she was feeling if she was a professional. As a client, that's not a question I would want to wonder about given the nature of the service at hand. It would make me wonder why she would allow this, why would she take this risk? There is a reason, I guarantee it and it isn't because she trusts you given she has never met you... cat

At the end of the day, a gentleman should respect a lady's policy for payment and if she requests it upfront, that's what he should do. If he's worried he's going to get cheated out of the service, then maybe he needs to research the reputation of the lady beforehand or look at his own behaviour if he feels this is happening to him on a frequent basis. I can't add much to what was already said by Cleo, Cat and some of the other ladies.

Sorry, but just because somebody doesn't want to get drawn into this argument and say they take payment after, does not mean it doesn't exist. In fact I have personal knowledge that it does exist. Not everyone, not in every case, but it does happen. If some client doesn't want to pay you upfront, then you have the choice to tell them to move on. The same as they have the choice not to see you. If an SP for any reason chooses to accept payment after, then that is their choice, and I am sure they have weighed the pros and cons. To suggest otherwise is rather presumptuous. And because they chose not to post on this thread is not proof that they don't exist. Seriously, given the tone of this discussion, I don't think any of them would post on this thread, with you rounding up a bunch of torch carrying villagers to chase the monster into the windmill. Now I wish the thread would go back to the far more interesting and original intent of discussing what kind of contract a client and an SP have.

I won't be conducting my investigation since mod has not allowed it. That being said, take note that not a single SP has posted that it is her policy to accept payment after the encounter from first time clients. The total lack of SPs claiming to accept payment from first time clients AFTER the encounter speaks more LOUDLY than anything that I can possibly post. If such SPs existed, they would have posted by now. Review fraud should be exposed for the fraud that it is. Certainly, I do not want to be getting a whole bunch of calls, texts, and emails from pretend clients claiming that there is a whole bunch of other nameless SPs who all accept payment after the date and therefore I should also accept payment after the date. That is how review fraud hurts real people.

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I get lost all the time. I tend to ignore the GPS. The path least travelled is often the most interesting.

For many years, I never asked for payment until afterwards, although most volunteered upfront. Lately, though, I had a couple situations in which we both forgot, requiring an inconvenience on the part of the gentleman to make a trip back to pay me. So I have been trying to remember to get business out of the way upfront (before my 56-year-old brain is effed up in a post-multi-orgasmic haze). It's never happened that anyone has refused to pay me beforehand when I've remembered to ask, but if someone did and explained that he was doing so to keep me on my toes, he would find himself back in his car in a blink. As if!

I would hope no children would be present, starving or otherwise! I will say that any provider worth her salt would ensure you got your moneys worth if she was too uncomfortable to ask for it when you didn't present it and breathed a huge sigh of relief when you finally paid. You have never been in that position so you really have no clue how a provider actually feels the first time she meets you and you don't provide the envelop... cat

Has any other SP noticed that the longer the list of requests in advance the higher the odds that the client will NOT show up for the date? I have noticed that it makes no difference if I agree to all or some or none of the requests, the longer the list of advance demands, the lower the odds that the client will actually show up for the date. Personally, I no longer read long emails or texts of demands. If it looks like someone had his hand in his pants while typing, I delete. This one policy of deleting anything long or graphic has done wonders to cut down on the no show problem. An email or a text to an escort should not look like a submission to a porn magazine or porn website. What I found is that some clients are wonderful and it is a pleasure to spend time with them and some clients are total nightmares whom I would never see again for any amount of money. Most people are somewhere between the two but more are close to the positive end of the scale which is why I am still here. No email or text list is a substitute for meeting the real person in the flesh. It is impossible to access what will happen until such time as you meet the actual person. You cannot get an estimate on your car repair until the mechanic meets the actual car. Your experienced long term service provider Valerie

a few of the posts before mine tell him he has nothing to worry about since "prostitution is legal" .... which is true in the case of his texting, not so much in the fact that he visited a lady at her incall location. Additional Comments: reply to the comment made on this post: Regardless of his texting being perfectly OK, I thought someone who is paranoid already may appreciate knowing that incalls are illegal.

How do you know the police were at the hotel for her? Sounds paranoid as a lot of things could bring the police to a hotel. My understanding is that the supreme court of canada ruled that sms (text messaging) is "private" and the "communication for the purpose of prostitution in a public place" law would not apply to a text message as it is not a "public place" and considered a private discussion between two parties. Here is a link to the scc judgement (http://scc.lexum.org/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/12936/index.do) I however am not a lawyer so if you have concearns I would suggest talking to one. Now... What could be done is this... 1) the police get a warrent for her text messages 2) this would be evidence of her using the same location with multiple clients and therefore the location could be considered a common bawdy house This however is a bit of a stretch. A previous complaint or something bigger may be going on.

Well that's the first I heard of paying after an encounter and still scratching my head over that mindset Starting off an intimate encounter with that much mistrust can't be good. And frankly any lady would be well within her rights to show such a character the door Not only do I pay up front as gentlemen do I now utilize in many cases email money transfers paying for the encounter in full even before I see the lady Ladies take most of the risk in this lifestyle which must be a source of stress for them Why unnecessarily add to their risk and stress by making them during an encounter wonder if they will even get paid A rambling RG

I have followed the tread from my experience it fall into following instruction..leaving the donation at the beginning g of the session is what is expected in the world of hobbiests,ponder so courtesan escort... Personally I would agree with Cleo toward the reference of wade cash waving at you... Like a carrot to a donkey..it happen to me and I asked the person to Save It doesn't make a difference if you pay after to get a session that be satisfy...i think it may does with non pro If the lady has a reputation and been establish there are no reason to believe she wont deliver what she advertise I have been in situation where the enveloppe was provided upfront(in usa) And at the end I realize he paid for my Pse not Gfe...as in USA they are no discussion prior because of the law I made him aware that they were too much in it On the other side I had a client booking me for 1 h Put down the enveloppe and stay for 1.5 The donation was shorted by time and rates I had guys try to give me Canadian tire money Gift card.. So i am more relax to get the donation upfront If I feel my session wasn't up to par because of me...I have in the past suggest discount or make up session But you holding the donation until they end is nerve racking for us...Suggesting others follow your trace is giving the guys with bad intention easier opportunity Vj

Do you think maybe those two things are related, just not the way you think? If thanks to your behaviour the session begins with the SP actually having to come right out and remind you about paying the fee before you'll pay her at the start, then some of that "YMMV" you refer to elsewhere may have kicked in... and you may find the session goes a little more tortoise, and a lot less hare. (Plus, it sounds like you'll have decided that since she asked you to pay up front she must not be "relaxed, fun and for real," and you've maybe gone all pouty and ill-disposed. Little wonder things seem to go poorly on those occasions.) Look, the women here take enough personal risks every day in this profession. As clients, one of our first priorities should be to never contribute further to those risks if we can avoid it. One of those professional risks is guys who dick around about the fee -- negotiating, pleading, or looking for a way not to pay at all. The fact is, when you don't produce the agreed-upon fee up front, it's not clear whether you're planning to pay at all. You've imposed risk on your provider where none was needed. I'm frankly stunned you can find anyone who agrees to this arrangement. Treat your provider with respect and remove that particular risk from the equation. In my experience, paying smoothly and up front establishes your own trustworthiness, and helps gets everything off on the right foot. I'd personally be ashamed if I ever considered doing otherwise.

I have had the pleasure of spending plenty of verrrry memorable time with our wonderful ladies. I have yet to meet one that didn't expect payment up front ? Ever ! If the time came that I had to actually worry about that or ask them if it is OK to pay them when my boots are back on at the door ..... I shall quit.

There was no name calling, insulting, or demeaning. I stated how I would feel if someone refused to pay at the beginning. To me it would feel like a power-trip, so I would ask the man to leave; that does not mean I am calling you a power-tripper. You're not here in my bedroom. If you were, and were refusing to pay upfront, my previous statements would be personally directed at you. But rather, they are included in this thread, so any man reading the suggestion to refuse to pay up front, can read both that suggestion from a hobbiest, and also read how an SP would react if that suggestion was followed.

But when you go to pick up your car without paying, they don't give you the keys and you don't get your car back! This is a ridiculous statement to make. I would love to see what would happen if hobbyists started walking in and refusing to pay for service first, I really would. I am a provider that is fairly relaxed about the timing of fee collection and I have been screwed over many times because of it back in the day. Now, I have provisions in place that if a client screws me (without paying), it will bite him far worse than it will hurt me. I can also say that the first time clients that have stiffed me intended to do so before they ever walked thru the door because I have never in my career promised services I couldn't or wouldn't deliver. State upfront that you intend to pay on the back end and see how many appointments you get... cat

I'm sure experienced SPs will let you know...not always easy to say it the right way coz you dont want to cut the mood...but i did many times say "oh please go gently..." some gent can be more rough...I guess its just passion or excitement building up lol communication is really the key... As for the OP...I'm totally turned on when i know my Partner is...either by hearing his moans... body language...hip movements...whispers in my ears... Thanks to all the gentlemen who like to please and think its a mutual experience...so much more fun...mmmm BJ xxx

I just think there is a disconnect from what you think is going on versus what the sps are telling you is going on. You do have a lot of experience, which to me means you are not as familiar as we are with what the typical newbie is going to be doing or asking about. What a newbie guy would ask is 'do I come to you or do you come to me?", nothing about who is paying for what hotel, he doesn't have enough experience to think that one of his options would be to rent a hotel room for the sp to come to him (outcall). i think the sps are naturally puzzled by the insistence that this is a typical (i.e. valid) question, and I think the majority of sps getting such a question would be eye rolling and hanging up/not replying, because if this is an example of how he is thinking, there is no hope he's also going to understand even the basics of setting up an appointment, let alone meeting and paying, and by that I mean, respecting the sp's restrictions, boundaries and limits. And that's assuming she believes he is a newbie potential, and not just an experienced guy playing games. Her first thought is probably the latter. The other issue seems to be that you don't want anyone, mostly sps, telling you any of that. And that is your issue. You can either become reactionary whenever anyone disagrees with you, or even just tries to explain their own POV and experiences, and LEARN from that, or you can continue to repeat your own points, to the exclusion of all others. Some take offense to the sps who do not have patience for very new first timers who sometimes have ridiculous questions. But it is their preference to not deal with first timers, or at least first timers that need a lot of hand holding. Some sps do deal with those guys. I'm one of those kinds. I'll tell someone things that are in the ad, I'll explain the difference between in and out, and give tips for looking at other ads, and making a good choice. But I promote that, and make a good session for someone doing this for the first time. I am not necessarily suitable for the hardcore hobbiest, who actively seeks one time encounters, to review them. I discourage that kind of guy actually, if I feel the caller is too 'checklist' oriented, I'll pass. The types of questions I am getting from the professional client are questions I don't have patience for, and I'm going to treat them like some sps treat the guys who don't read their ads or approach them in the right way. Some pro clients approach me in the way that I want to be approached. The ones who want to do things their own way, will be turned down.

I had the pleasure of meeting SassiesWorld earlier today, Setting up an appointment was very easy through a couple of PM's and a quick phone call to confirm the time and location. As her add says she's in the Ottawa South / Manotick area which happens to be very convenient for me. Her pictures are real and her description is very accurate. When she opened the door the first thing I noticed were those amazing, smiling, green eyes, you could get lost in them, followed by the clothing request that we had discussed, and those nice large breast peeking out. As she led me to the "fun room" I couldn't help but notice her beautiful curves. She's not a spinner but definitely not a BBW either, her description of curvy is right on the money, with legs that seem to go on forever. We spent some time getting to know each other a little bit, she has a great sense of humour, and we were teasing each other all at the same time. She's a great kisser and can really get into it (something I enjoy), she's also very responsive and gets turned on very easily. Once all of the clothing came off we really got to know each other better. :p I won't go into all the details but we had a great time together with DATY, BBBJ, more teasing and pleasing, multiple positions... All in all a true GFE with some PSE thrown in for good measure. The hour I had booked went by much too quickly (we actually went a little over), but I will definitely be going back for more, and more, and more... :) Thanks SassiesWorld, I had a great time and I look forward to our next get together. (Psst, are you available later this week?)

After a couple of cups of coffee I'm now awake enough to remember a couple of times that I was technically lost. I was using GPS navigation, and the map in the GPS was incorrect leading me to streets that don't exist on the wrong side of a lake, or the wrong way on one-way streets. Paper map & compass to the rescue!

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I cant answer that as i don't know exactly how everything went down but prostitution is legal in canada and as far as i know you need to be caught inside a brothel to be charged for being in a common bawdy house. You need to communicate or solicit i a public place to be charged with communication or solicitation and as long as the doors were closed, windows shut and she was of legal age you should be fine on all those issues as well. Have you read the criminal code laws? 210-213 criminal code of canada

Something that I forgot to mention that fStop reminded me of, keep a magnetic compass in the car too!

I agree about the paper maps. I find that when I'm using my GPS in my car I loose track of the bigger picture, always looking for the next turn. The map I can pull up on the phone is pretty small, but still can get me out of a jam.

I was once listed as Missing In Action for 3 weeks in Iraq. When I made my way back and my Commanding Officer explained I was listed as MIA I just smiled and told him, " how could I be missing? I knew where I was the whole time"! ;)

It seems Runa of Asian Passion is visiting, see their ad here - http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152746 I must admit that I have not seen her before/yet.

It is most certainly not power tripping. Why is it that as soon as one has a differing viewpoint it's power tripping, lack of respect, intent to rip off. There is the other side, that the SP is scamming and offering services she has no intention of fulfilling. It does work both ways. I have paid after with indepdents and also with several of the local agencies. I have never had the impression that the SP felt slighted, demeaned, under my thumb or otherwise. You have your approach and that's fine, but to start insulting, demeaning me and name calling is a little over the top. It just gets back to what I was saying, guys are being fooled into thinking paying up front is necesary. It really is not, you just have find those with the right attitude. It's like anything else in this hobby: you choose who you see as the hobbyist and the SP does the same. The rules that are acceptible are up to the individual--on both sides--and demeaning one for their viewpoint is not constructive.

And when you commit to an encounter, go. Even if your nervous as hell, go...don't find an excuse to cancel, when you meet the lady you'll be glad you did. Oh, and have a good time RG

Both. I don't think I could have one without the other. If I get a sense a man is truly into me it relaxes me, gives me extra confidence and that in turn allows me the ability and desire to want to get off. If you are with someone and you get the feeling they aren't into you I would think then you'd just go through the motions as well, which would be no fun. Pleasure should be shared, given and taken:)

Something just flew right over my head but I have no idea what it is! On a side note:

Dude. You dug yourself this hole. Reread your posts. What FilmGeek said to you was SPOT ON. It's as basic as this, if you (the general you, not you specifically) can't read the extensive info that's been provided on our websites and in our ads, if you're in such a rush to get your dick wet that you can't even bother doing a bit of internet research (hi, there are guides to client etiquette out there: a quick google search of "escort + client+ etiquette" pulls up this link http://bellastr26.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/client-etiquette/), you should just wank off. If you have read it and can't be bothered to follow our rules/requests/etiquette, that says a lot about you and it's a GIANT RED FLAG. Dudes who can't respect virtual/online requests sure as hell aren't going to respect my wishes in person. I am running a business; my website is written to answer as many common questions as possible. I still get a billion "what are you rates" or "where is your incall" questions when all of that wonderful info is provided on my website AND in my ads. Usually I redirect to the site. If you come back with yet more questions that have already been answered, well you can just forget seeing me. I don't have time to repeat everything that I've already spent enormous amounts of time SPELLING OUT for you. Not to mention, if you made it as far as making an account on CERB, then you can access the "new to this?" section and don't need to be making excuses about not knowing how things work.

For me..Absolutely! I think this is normal. For almost anything you do.. even cooking for someone. I enjoy my meal more if the people I cook for enjoy it enthusiastically.

I'll start off with, what happened to the OP was horrible and he was lucky that nothing escalated past what he could handle. The details of the encounter should be entered, if they haven't been, in the appropriate section for everyone's benefit. Secondly, there have been many threads in other sections discussing the idea of reviews and why Cerb is a recommendation only board (I'm not going to dig them all up, but you can find them if you want to). The general gist of all of them have been keeping things complimentary makes this board a safe place for the SP's. Reviews can be used against an SP and there is no real way to prove or disprove a damaging review. Once that damaging review is there, warranted or not, it will hurt that SP's business no matter how many good reviews are there. If a SP's business, and image can be tarnished with no recourse, they will ignore the board and it ceases to be the place that Cerb is. As many people have said, there is a section that lists bait and switch, fake pictures and dangerous situations. People should post in these sections for the safety of all. If the OP posted there I don't think there would have been any issue with the post, and hopefully others can escape such situations. The key is in the details, people need to know that others were involved and misleading photo's were used. I believe severally out of date photo's count as bait and switch. This board can be very helpful if you take time to read through the sections, and do some searches on past threads.

First and foremost, YMMV is a factor in all encounters. And what is agreed to in a email or a PM is what she offers in her encounters and may be willing to do. Sometimes YMMV is spelled out in a lady's website, but sometimes it is implied. But most experienced in this lifestyle understand that an encounter with a lady, underlying all menu options she provides, is a YMMV factor. Yes, those menu options are services she provides. But not all the time and not to everyone. Example. DFK might be offered. But if you show up having bad breath, consider yourself lucky to even get a peck on the cheek. And no, she didn't break any promises IMHO. Or she might allow digits, but if you show up looking like you changed oil on your car, don't expect digits, and again, IMHO, she didn't break any promises Be realistic in your expectations too. A lady may offer MSOG. Me for example, at 52, one SOG I'm happy. But if I request MSOG and only get one SOG should I get a discount, no. A lady may have a long list of menu items offered but that doesn't mean each and every item can physically be done in one encounter And finally there is one other thing. You are not paying for services. You are paying for a lady's time. What happens during that time together is between two consenting adults. So understanding that, and the YMMV factor, the best option is to be a gentleman (including paying in full, good hygiene, showing up on time) and you'll find YMMV will have a positive meaning for you. And what happens between you two consenting adults will be something positive and memorable A rambling from a gentleman for who YMMV has been a positive term and has had positive and memorable encounters RG

Mighty Pen's words speak truth. There are times a provider hasn't prepared for the appointment by keeping track of requests. That would require keeping records and that is something quite discouraged by hobbyists. I don't provide a menu or promise a single service when I book my appointments for this reason. If a guest has a check list of activities that must take place during the playdate, I'm not the provider for him and I'm clear about this upfront. If a guest let's me run the session the way my intuition tells me he will leave smiling and completely satisfied. Walk thru my door with specific services demanded and you will be shown the door but I don't keep the envelop. I think it's dirty money at that point and brings no good to my life from a karmic level. A good provider trusts her instincts and if her spidey sense is tingling, the agreed upon services are at her discretion. She needs to be honest about why she won't provide the agreed upon services if she wants to make the appointment work. Won't kiss? Probably a hygiene issue at hand. No shower? She has probably booked appointments after you that weren't on the books when you set up your appointment and won't have time to redo her hair after you leave; or she feels it's a bad judgement call from a safety perspective. There are a 100 reasons the menu will change. Has the contract been broken? Yes. Is she required to give you a refund of some sort? No but if she's smart she will make it right. It's good business to be honest and keep clients happy. This business is only viable if you can build repeat business and violating the agreement doesn't accomplish that... cat

I spent some time with Lyka tonight. To say I wasn't disappointed would be an understatement. In fact it turned out to be one of the best experiences I have ever had. Her pics are accurate. If you love short curvy women with perfect breasts and a pretty face..this is your girl. She is a true gfe too. very friendly and easy to talk to. Playtime was very hot from start to finish, and she doesn't just go through the motions..if you know what you mean. I had Lykas permission to post this. She told me she only sees select clients. Her preference is mature respectfull gentlemen. If your luckey enough to get to see this lady treat her right..She is a true sweetheart.

Most apologies then, I didn't mean to be repeating what you already know.

Most of the ladies do not have MBA's so expecting them to do what mainstream business's do (In the way they operate the business) is not realistic (Wrong expectations!) Mainstream business men and women with either a business education or years of being in a professional business environment learn certain "rules" for successfully marketing a and operating a company. These are things you LEARN over time but can benefit greatly upfront if you learn them early. For Instance... Such things as.. downturns (How to anticipate and how to ensure security) never admitting your slow (sales are down) most business professionals know NEVER to do this (Always say your doing great) ROI (Return on investment - how to make 10.00 into 100.00) landing a deal (Market, Sales Pitch and HOW TO seal the deal!) Addressing your customers needs (It's not always about the sex or the looks - the personality is very important and the way you make your customer feel is very important) phone sales (Mannerisms... not to answer the cell phone while driving or with screaming kids or yelling friends... or loud music playing) Time Management scheduling Follow Ups Repeat sales (Return clients) etc... A lot of the ladies learn this over time and trial and error... (and that can hurt a ladies reputation before she even gets started full swing). Things many people who work in mainstream business assume are common knowledge or obvious choices allude many people who have no formal business experience - and it's easy to forget that at times. This business has no prerequisites, you do not need any business skills to make money as a provider but if you had those skills you could make a LOT MORE money. A few of the ladies over the years have had MBA's and they usually excel rapidly and really do well in the business... and really you do not need a MBA to learn these things. Most are common sense but often overlooked or viewed as not as important. The most successful ladies are the ones who have the ENTIRE PACKAGE (Sell the fantasy, polite on the phone, never miss appointments, treat the guy like he is a god, have lots of fun and enjoy people).... It may just be a big act or illusion ... or it may be the lady really likes her job (Either way the customer should NEVER be able to tell the difference). If you do this you will rarely have slow times as your "Regulars" will keep you busy during these off season times.