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I was curious, to you men... do you prefer a genuine and authentic approach? One where the SP is truly herself, and fully immersed in the moment with you? One where everything she posts, emails, tweets, etc is a TRUE reflection of who she truly is? OR do you prefer the... somewhat less authentic approach, where the SP is clearly defined as such, posts, etc are clearly manufactured and during sessions she is clearly "going through the motions"? I know this seems like a no brainer and not worth questioning... But I don't think it is that black and white. Also, can you tell when an SP is being genuine vs one who is fake? Look forward to your responses. Please keep in mind that this is NOT intended to be a specific thread to pin point those SPs who may be one way or another. Keep your responses vague and non-specific!!! :) xo

If you ever encounter any sort of problems with anyone while working, anything ranging from sexual assault to theft, intimidation, abuse, harassment, threats, stalking or anything else, and want to talk directly to a female officer who will listen and help (if you want it), here is the name of an Ottawa officer who has been helpful to sex workers in the past: Sergeant Patricia Ferguson Sexual Assault Section Tel. 613-236-1222, ext. 5463 Or, to anonymously report to the police any kind of bad behaviour you've experienced: Bad Date Line Call 1-800-303-5407 - anonymously. http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/ServingOttawa/SectionsAndUnits/saca/baddateline.aspx From Ottawa Police Services: Working in the sex trade can make you a vulnerable target, and predators count on the fact that you may not report crimes against you. We need your help to identify and track serial and predatory offenders. The anonymous reporting system is for individuals victimized while engaging in the sex trade. By calling the toll free number (1-800-303-5407), you will be prompted to leave a message regarding the details of your assault along with as much of an offender description as possible. Information gathered could be the missing link needed in identifying a serial predator. The anonymous and free Bad Date Line gives you an opportunity to report sexual and physical assault without revealing your identity. For more information about the Ottawa Bad Date Line, download their pamphlet (PDF, 206k). The Ottawa Police Service understands the desire of victims to remain anonymous and supports the Bad Date Line in an effort to identify potential serial offenders preying upon victims who they believe will not report the attack to police. The Bad Date Line does not subscribe to caller ID and no attempts will be made to identify callers. It is preferred that victims contact police directly to report an assault so that a proper investigation can be conducted and ensure a predator is removed from the street. Ottawa Police treat all victims fairly and equitably. If you wish to speak with an officer regarding an assault or receive more information regarding the investigation process, you may contact the Sexual Assault Unit directly at 613-236-1222, ext. 5944.

It's tricky to know just how to answer this, since it depends so much on how you interpret the question, or which part you focus on. If we're talking about the physical interaction, then naturally the preference is for someone to be authentic and in the moment, rather than just obviously going through the motions. But expectations have to be realistic. I mean, if a lady is feeling tired or has a headache, does anyone what to be authentically told at the end of an encounter that she'd rather have had a nap than have spent time with you? Is a lady who hides that fact and ensures you leave feeling good about yourself being professional or being inauthentic? If we're talking more about her personality (or persona), then that depends too. Much like the open letter Regent recently penned to hobbyists, if you're racist, sexist, or homophobic, I'm much happier if you keep that part of yourself to yourself. But generally speaking, I think it's probably better to present yourself as who you truly are, if only because it's exhausting to pretend otherwise. There's enough variety out there that it seems to me like it would be simpler to be who you are, and so attract the people that you appeal to. It's worth pointing out that being authentic doesn't necessarily mean revealing all of yourself. We all have layers and we all act differently for different audiences. This isn't deception; it's life! It's possible that a person can present one side of themselves on Cerb or in the bedroom, and another side of themselves when alone or with friends, etc. That doesn't mean that how they choose to act here isn't authentic.

I really appreciate the way you put this 'Dear Client' letter out there for all of us. I'm not sure of how you would describe its meaning Regent, but how I see it is that, sometimes, it just feels good as an SP to unburden our heavy hearts and to give voice to the bigotry that we find ourselves in the midst of when carrying our our work and sharing intimacies with clients. Yes, it exists at the level of society...yes, it is a deeper problem that extends beyond the four walls shared in a session....But, I feel that, in writing this note, Regent, you are, in a way, speaking out to consciousness and giving voice to something many of us experience in the course of doing our work....it helps us to feel connected to each other in our concerns. And, if it helps even one person (beyond the rest of us SPs) to reflect a little more, then we are all better off for it. Thanks for writing this :)

Dear client, I am excited to see you and spend time together. I am excited to get to know you a bit. I want to know you well enough to get into your head and give you an amazing, hot session. I appreciate it when you let me in a little and share some things about yourself and who you are. What I don't appreciate is when you drop a bunch of casual bigotry on me in the midst of socializing and getting to know each other. I don't expect you to have the exact same values as me. For our brief time together that's not important. What I do expect from you is a modicum of consideration, social awareness and self filtering. Just enough so that if you have opinions on black or brown people, or "the gays", or poor people, or any other group that you don't belong to, you have the sense to keep those opinions to yourself for an hour. I expect you to realize that these opinions might be offensive to others and that sharing them is jarring and rude. I expect you to realize that you don't actually know me, and that I or my loved ones might be part of those groups that you think so poorly of. I want to have fun with you when we're together. I don't want to get into an argument about racism or sexism or homophobia or anything. I certainly don't want to have to choose between ending our session early or getting intimate with someone who has just made me very uncomfortable. I'm sure you're a complex and multifaceted person and there are many wonderful, fascinating, enjoyable, positive things you could share about yourself. Stick to those, as I do when I talk about me, so that we can both enjoy each others' company. Thanks, Your service provider

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For a client to expect a lady to be fully, well as open as she can be, that is a reciprocal relationship, requiring the client to be open with the lady too. That comes over time, and with mutual trust and respect. I do prefer a lady to be herself, but on a first, even second meeting, to expect a lady to show all herself (is that the right way to phrase it) is unreasonable. Likewise I'm not going to show all myself to a lady on a first or even second encounter. But I want the lady to be herself, personality wise when I see her. I can glean what her personality is through her website, posts on CERB, emails and so on. I assume she can get an idea of what my personality is the same way (well except I have no website) But still we are all somewhat guarded, we don't completely open up. Now when you start getting to the third encounter on, that's when, at least in my experience, the dynamic changes between the two of you, and you both start being more open than is required in a SP/Client relationship. Your relationship for lack of a better word starts evolving into more of a friendship. I don't know if that answers your question A rambling RG

When I take time to read this thread and reply to it :)

Oh of course.. I'm not saying I advocate gov't influence.. I'm just stating that it's possible. Same as my feelings in the rates thread.. I want always to be my own boss.. I think if it ever came down to the gov't telling me what I can and can't do with my body.. I'd move to live where I once again had freedom.

It's utterly disgusting, look at the recent tweets from those idiot fans from Boston Bruins against PK Subban. One would think that racism was not this visual in today's society, then we have assholes from Boston and Donald Sterling. Needless to say these idiots probably didn't even know that Willie O'Ree broke into the NHL in the 70's with the Bruins, or in fact PK's younger brother was drafted by the Bruins. Theses types of behaviour are seriously unbelievable and from " dickheads" that have no understanding about what is correct and acceptable behaviour in today's society. Being a huge sport fan, I've lost a lot of respect for other fans/owners who think they can share their thoughts with society through media or other means.

Carrie, I am quoting you but my comment is not directed at you ;) We all draw the line somewhere, and as you stated, that line varies from person to person. To each their own. I am not going to debate the rights and wrongs of BBBJs (or DATY or kissing) and risk levels but I will say this: As an independent human being, I do not want nor need the government telling me what I can and cannot do in the privacy of a bedroom, as a companion with a patron or as a grown woman in her private life. Whether or not I receive money when sharing intimate time with someone is no one else's business but mine. I value my rights and freedom of choice. (I hope my post makes sense)

Anyone following the Hannibal series on NBC? That is one dark, creepy show....but I can't stop watching it. I'm hooked. I was sceptical that it would be anywhere near as good as the original books/movies but have been pleasantly surprised so far. Certainly doesn't shy away from some pretty gruesome scenes.

Meg, you care, you share, you're sexy and beautiful and you give of yourself to this community. You're up front when required, supportive and full of life. Thanks for everything and can't wait for the next 1000!

I agree this is a broader social problem, certainly not limited to clients. However, I find that the client-service provider dynamic makes addressing it complicated in unique ways. The power dynamics of relying on clients to make a living, plus the intimacy of our interactions weights my choices. Actions I might take in my personal life or in a different kind of professional setting have different consequences for me here. I may tolerate things I wouldn't in another setting. The expectations placed on me by clients are different from expectations from friends or other professional associates. My safety considerations are different. This issue absolutely arrises in all areas of life, but encountering it in our industry creates some unique challenges and considerations, and so I wanted to talk about it in that specific context. @Phaedrus, I think you're very right, that people are often unwilling to self identify as a racist or homophobe. They understand in an abstract way that these are undesirable things, and so to avoid cognitive dissonance with their self perception as a good or moral person, they don't integrate the idea of being a racist with their self identity. However, I think when someone seeks to make excuses for their behaviour, in the form of, "I'm not a racist, but..." or "I have gay friends...", implicit in that is recognizing that they're aware that their behaviour or choice of words is likely to hurt or offend someone. Even if they don't see themselves as racist, they know very well that the words coming out of their mouth are. Things are getting better and shifting slowly. There's more awareness and more dialogue in mainstream culture about these kinds of things. But it's a slow process - even if we all know that overt -isms are bad, there are so many harmful ideas and stereotypes that we're taught all our lives and that are so easy to accept without questioning. I just wish and hope that everyone would make an effort to be more kind, more compassionate, to recognize our shared humanity and to also recognize that we have diverse experiences and not everyone has been afforded the same opportunities.

I consider myself to be genuine and sincere in my everyday dealings (not just on the job) and authentic because there is only one me who can pull the whole deal off, but with that willingness and openness to life comes a responsibility to know when to pull back or guard oneself especially on the "job". I think one could suggest a state of appropriateness is most important when dealing with a variety of personalities who may or may not become friendly. I think how I understand "fake" to be reflects a person who simply doesn't have a personality of their own - whether it be by choice or simple ignorance - they are who they think someone wants them to be and depending on the effort put forth they can become a fabulous, undetected actor and perhaps that's where their authenticity lies.

Thank you Brad for your post you said what I was trying to, you are very understanding and observant btw:)

In my opinion authentic trumps artifice every time. However, there is a place for subtle fakery. What if the provider is not in the best mood? What if she or he is slightly irritable? Should the client be exposed to the genuine mental & emotional state of the moment when the expectation is for a drama-free-getaway-from-it-all romp? I think as a quality service provider, presenting yourself as a projection of the client's expectations would be as much a part of the pre-date preparation as doing hair & make-up. That is not to say that a provider completely sublimates their own personality to be a play thing for the client, but rather a provider would strive to present the best themself they can be, despite real life circumstances. As with all things, it boils down to a matter of degree. I would expect my play date to be happy to see me, but I would not want forced or faked physical responses. The quickest way to ensure I will never repeat is to fake it when we are intimate. My longest lasting relationships with providers have all been with genuinely authentic personalities. I think I'm a fair judge of authenticity, in fact I think most people know instinctively when something does not ring true. Repeat encounters reinforce realness, as consistency comes into play. Over time the real personality begins to show, just like in the Real World or Big Brother. It may take more than a few visits, but in time even the most gifted faker will give themselves away. But even with my acute sence of veracity, I can be fooled. In the end we all believe what we want to believe. And yes, I want to believe that an attractive woman half my age finds me sexy. It is just better if the attraction is real.

Trish can, also, be reached at [email protected] for email fans. Valerie

Valid points Cristy, but I wasn't referring to chemistry. I was referring to them being themselves, an authentic true representation of who they really are. We ALL simplify things from a discretion standpoint and I know being fully open in a client/SP relationship is rare, and something that takes time, effort and commitment from both sides. That being said, for myself (as an example) I don't try to be someone I'm not. Every word that I type, every conversation I have, and who I am when I am with someone is ME. I don't say what I think people want to hear, I don't embellish on details or try to make myself into anything. I am just me. Does that make more sense? I realize I didn't explain it well :) I'm really curious to know if the men can tell the difference!

I know this is directed at the men but I wanted to say that even the most genuine of providers goes through the motions from time to time, it's almost impossible not to, unless you want to kill the moment for your partner. By this I mean even when those of us who have the luxury of being very selective with whom we meet, those of us who choose so there can be chemistry, even then we can have moments when it just isn't working or doesn't work, when you realized there is no chemistry, at those times you aren't going to let your partner know. You'd want him/her to still enjoy, right? This would be considered going through the motions. When I'm with the men I'm with I'm there for me as well. I treat all my chosen clients as actual dates. But even the most planned date can go wrong and sometimes you have to be/or do things that you wouldn't in your "normal" life . I'm very outspoken, forthright, yet sometimes I have to bite my lip, is this not being me, authentic? There are times in bed when in the beginning I was turned on but something changed, so I go through the motions, not being authentic? There have been times when I've accepted a booking from a client for him, not me, not both of us, but to suit his schedule, not authentic? My points are I think those of us who are ourselves have to act from time to time, it's the business, when dealing with people authenticity sometimes has to be replaced with a more manufactured persona, or you'd be considered rude or you might hurt someone's feelings and I'm trying to be more diplomatic;) These terms are used with to much importance anyway imo. They are as common now as gorgeous, amazing, beautiful, the best, classy, etc, etc. Anyone can call themselves or anyone what they wish it doesn't make it true and I'm not sure why we should care. I think we all need to be/do what works for you/me us and be happy:).

Happy Star Wars day everyone. May the fourth be with you!

I always get money back... that's called planning... my taxes were done a month ago.... i am talking about doing taxes for family and friends... many of which do not plan ahead. lol.

This is not an SP / Client problem it is a societal problem that I kinda think is actually improving... younger people today are far less likely to see differences in people and have grown up in a world that is becoming more and more diverse. I have never considered myself to be bigoted or racist but my children have demonstrated to me that I am in fact a product of the environment in which I grew up.... my children actually don't see the difference in people and accept everyone for who they are.... i think I am very excepting but you know I do notice the differences... my kids are without a doubt teaching me about true diversity and acceptance. As for the CERB world one think I have realized that if you want to find a group that is ultra accepting of diversity you really don't have to look further than the amazing SP'S in this industry... i think that because of this they are more likely to react to stupid insensitive comments made by clients. Just my opinion. Additional Comments:

Actually... I think this misses the core of the problem. Although people realize that something is offensive, they lack the self-awareness to understand that they fall into this category. How many times have you heard someone say, "I'm not racist, but..." or "I have friends who are gay"? It's so common that it's a parody of itself. To take the concrete example that springs most immediately to mind: look at Donald Sterling. Utterly racist, despite his ownership of a basketball team and having a mixed-race mistress. And yet... he doesn't consider himself racist. At all. You couldn't make it up... but there it is, played out in front of the world. This isn't a problem with clients, in particular. It's a problem with people, and with society. It's improving, but that's a slow process.

This is how the law in NZ is set up. Fined for non compliance https://www.healthed.govt.nz/resource/health-and-safety-information-sex-workers https://www.healthed.govt.nz/resource/health-and-safety-information-sex-workers pg 22 It applies to all sex workers, whether indy or employed at a brothel. I think it is very specific, and certainly didn't take a lot of time and effort to come up with the idea. Stds are a workplace hazard, safer sex practises involve use of barriers for oral, vaginal, and anal sex, therefore, the PRA laws make it a condition of doing commercial sex work that barriers be used at all times. Commercial is the key word there, this is workplace safety issues, nothing else. It is not a personal decision, and educating is the key as shown in the info, signs are supposed to be put up on the walls etc lol. We don't have other commercial industries where the workers get to decide for themselves what level of risk they are OK with, when it comes to public health and safety. they can't randomly pick and choose what laws, in the case of NZ as comparison. In the comparison of driving, this would be yes someone can choose to drive without wearing a seatbelt, but it is against the law. You can get away with it a lot of the time, but eventually and at some point, chances are you will either get caught (and fined) or you will get in an accident and badly hurt or dead. The frequency of doing it increases your risk.

Everyone has their own limits. Some people are unmoved by any amount of factual data. Statistical modelling is interesting but we are governed more by emotional response than logic. Flying on an airline is statistically safer than driving but we still drive.

Trish Ferguson is a very good, discrete, and kind police officer who truly cares about sex workers and does the best she can with the tools she has. She is a good person to reach out to if there are any problems... ..but yes, hopefully no one needs to call her. Thank you for posting this Em! Nat xox

It's not the least bit silly though to draw lines as to what is the level of comfort to take where risk is concerned.. I draw the line at BBBJ.. but I enjoy daty.. so that's my level. Some choose BBBJ but no CIM. Some enjoy BBFS and this is where 95% of us I'd say draw the line at level of risk.. Some enjoy BB anal.. and that's where those who offer BBFS may draw the line.. BB anal is definitely riskier than BBFS.. Wherever your line is... your choice. At least for now anyway. In Australia.. BBBJ is illegal for providers to provide as part of the service in certain provinces. I believe Queensland? last I looked..

You telling us you are a twenty one year old IT business owner only shows us that you can tell us you are a twenty one year old IT business owner. Which has nothing to do with seeing a lady. BTW encounters aren't about handling yourself Encounters are about a gentleman meeting a lady for a mutually beneficial time together Yes, in a perfect world generalizations aren't good, but ladies make their profession based on their experience dealing with people. And their experience shows them this age demographic isn't good for their business. It isn't about right or wrong, it's about the ladies do what is right for them So you have to show the lady you are a mature gentlemen, a man the lady would like to have as a client if you want to see her A rambling RG

While--generally--it is not a good idea to generalize, and though I can see how it would be frustrating, try to see it from the lady's perspective and it might not seem so personal. I don't think any lady here would say that every young person is immature. And age doesn't always bring wisdom, and no doubt there are older fellows who cause just as much aggravation. But if a lady finds that a given demographic is more inclined to no-show, haggle, or just not make for as good an overall experience, then at the end of the day it's her call to decide just to make a rule not to see anyone of a certain age. Yes, this probably means also missing out on some good potential clients, but that's not disrespect, it's simply her right. Most of us probably don't realize the degree of presumption and time-wasters a lady has to deal with on a regular basis, so we can't begrudge anything that makes them feel more comfortable or makes their day-to-day a bit easier. Show that you don't take it personally, be patient, and follow the excellent advice already given to you, and I've no doubt you'll have a chance to prove yourself and find a lady you can have a great experience with.

Someone just sent me an email. All it said was, "menu/rates" ......so I sent a link to PizzaPizza.

Right now at 10:07am on the wetcoast ... Nothing. Nude. Bare. Unclothed ... drinking a morning coffee in bed, cruising the site, about to watch American Hustle. Now that's Sunday perfection.

For me I try very hard to make the Sp as comfortable as possible with me so she can be herself, I feel I have a good ability to figure if she is faking or enjoying our time together, I understand some are more passionate than others dosen't mean it was not good for both, there is nothing worse for me than hearing a fake moan, in the other hand nothing gets me going more than a sexy whisper in my ear touch me feel how wet I am or Magician you make me feel like a woman. If I think its fake there will be no second visit for sure. Most of my hobbying has being with ladies here on Cerb so I have being very fortunate in this scenario, before cerb I have had the experience of saying to myself that was a waste after the hotel door was closed.

This is so touching and true. Love the spoken verse in this! http://blog.petflow.com/this-is-a-video-everyone-needs-to-see-for-the-first-time-in-my-life-im-speechless/

Last night I had a dream and it was on my mind all day. It was a really strange one. I was running away from this person and trying to protect this person at the same time. They were really drunk and where we were, oddly enough, drunk people weren't welcome (lol). So I had to help them escape without getting caught (if you were caught drinking or with someone drunk you were kicked out). But it was really weird because it had a lot of violence. Not nice. I also have a lot of reoccurring dreams where I am dancing again (pole dancing) but then these turn to sex dreams without any sex. Lol Oh and I fantasize (sexually), often ;) Great thread! I love this! Xo

Not when you know you're getting lots of money back ;) lol.....

Indeed, congrats on your being a member for eight years, not too many were then and even fewer remain to this day. After five years, I already feel like an old-timer... but it ain't so bad! Best, toine

This is definitely interesting to know. Almost kind of reminds me of the movie Don't Mess With the Zohan where he takes his hair clients in the back after their hair cut and gets it on with them lol

Another recommendation for Trish Ferguson, she is truly invaluable.

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Oh ok... there's a link to an agency website which also advertises another girl as well - unless they are a couple of indies working under a collective banner.

^^ In the US they say 'money is for time and companionship only." That has never prevented LE from charging and arresting both sp and client in their stings. There is no way to make #1 work, as long as the person is unquestionably an sp. The same with sugar daddy/baby relationships, as far as the US law is concerned it is the same thing. Especially when you consider a lot of arrangements are paid per date, not as a monthly stipend done one time. I think many people think that the Nordic model necessarily means the end to things as we know it. No more reviews, no more ads, no more forums. There are a TON of forums, reviews and ads in the US for and about US sps. There is no reason to think things, online at least, will change even for a minute. There is reason to believe that sps might ask for references more often, because LE will still target them, as they do in other countries. The

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I wanted to add-I think a man referring to a woman as "pussy" is quite different than a provider writing a graphic ad. Calling a woman "pussy" is disrespectful and rude and does define ones character, imo. Where writing a graphic ad to sell sex is a way to attract business and a certain type of clientele. Some will like it some won't. Some will find it arousing, some won't. I certainly don't think it shines a bad light on the business though. Talking dirty isn't a sign of having or not having, class, intelligence or any other ability, nor does it define ones character. I think those who are opposed to this industry aren't going to swayed more if the ad above read: I invite you to relish in my beauty and explore my sensual talents. Dressed up or down an ad, explicit or not, is selling the same thing:)

Since I'm not a subtle person perhaps I just don't notice:) I've been here since 2011 and I haven't noticed any changes, but then again I don't pay much attention to others ads and I only look at threads that I find interesting or ones I feel I could add to. My writings/ads/posts and threads vary from explicit to somewhat conservative. They sometimes are expressions of my moods and feelings but certainly don't define who I am or how much class I have or don't have or anyone has for that matter. This is a forum where there are a multitude of personalities selling and searching for sex so I think it should be expected to see x rated to prim and if someone is sensitive to explicit language this may not be the place for them. After all a lot of these ads are written in fun, with a desire to peek interest, arouse and stimulate, certainly not to offend:) and if they do ignore them and read the ones you like:)

I am not sure I have recognized any major shift in the tone of the threads here on CERB Over the last year. I have seen some ads that have tended to be more blunt ( Some might say vulgar) but i have to think that these SP'S are doing whatever seems to work for them. On the flip side I have seen some amazing ads written by people like Nathalie and Delilah and others that are just written master pieces from my perspective. Bottom line it's an open forum so people will express themselves in many ways and use language that best meets their needs.... there will be an ebb and flow... flow along with he things you like and ignore the rest there is room for all of us I think. Just my opinion.

A month to remember and cherish the visits with Delilah, as once again today we spent a two hour visit together. I bought her some gifts, and she modelled them for me, and looked outstandingly beautiful in them, I enjoyed seeing her laugh,smile with excitement with her new VS lingerie. We click, we get along,we laugh, we have same desires, it is fabulous to spend time with Delilah, being vey sensual with each other,cuddling,showering together, chatting and just being together. Read her ads gentlemen, before sending me constant pm's, I will not give you details as it a personal choice of mine, and hers. As I said earlier in my post she prefers quality or quantity and she is a mighty fine companion. She is a ATF, I don't need to say more. Thanks Delilah for another remarkable time, you left me with a huge smile this afternoon and souvenirs ;)

Again sorry you went through this Victoria. Too bad going to St. John's can't be a drama free (and sugar free ;-) ) city to tour for the ladies Pretty bad when a boy from Ontario can figure out what is going on...and no one on CERB is being bashed btw RG

How will I deal with it ? Won't change a thing.... I will visit with the exact same amazing ladies in the exact same cities as I do now ... life will still be good. Not what it should be legal wise ....but good good good. :) My name is John Happy is my first name. My Mamma didn't name me Happy but she sure as the dickens didn't name me John either. She shoulda said.... Lee You are gonna grow up and be a "John" Fuckin rights :bigclap::boobies::butt::69::bj::Cunning: CHEERS FOLKS :chug::chug::chug: