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What next? An erotic hairdresser? Oh wait, you already asked that: Quote: Thread: erotic hairdresser? #1 05-25-2014, 08:43 AM fadi1716 erotic hairdresser? Hello, Does anyone know of an erotic hairdresser in Ottawa? Quote OK, once you find your house are you going to ask for a sexy lawyer? I know a great real estate agent in Ottawa who is drop dead gorgeous. She could make a ton of money in this business, but has no interest. She would especially not want a real estate client who wants to objectify her sexually. She does very well selling houses.

So then why don't you just do your real estate business yourself and then hire an escort instead for the sexual aspect? Because it sounds like you have no use for one and you would be wasting their time. I'm pretty sure a large majority of female real estate agents will absolutely not appreciate you only hiring them based on their looks and sexualizing them throughout the process. Like what is the point of this? Is it a fantasy you have? Then a companion would be much better suited for this, because I don't think a real estate agent will want to be a part of it without knowing. Posted via Mobile Device

Not wanting to pile on OP too much but I think he might have misread his audience a bit. Not sure if it's surprising or not but there is definitely a fairly strong feminist bent among the ladies here. I don't mean that in a negative way. It just seems that many of the women here have put a great deal of thought into gender roles, sexuality and women's place in society. Their views on this sort of thing are very nuanced and I find it quite delightful to read some of the thoughtful responses in these threads. Just because they are choosing to make a living in a field that tends to objectify women doesn't mean they approve of GENERALIZED objectification of women. They are taking advantage of a particular aspect of our society but doing so by choice. That's the difference. It's patronizing to choose to employ a skilled individual for superficial reasons other than their qualifications. This is right at the heart of women's battle for equality and respect.

I ignored your first post but in my opinion your request is very unfortunate as it unnecessarily views women as only a sexual object there for your viewing pleasure... you even go so far as to say that you don't need her for her "credentials" but that's ok because she will get a good commission WOW... Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

This thread raises a lot of concerns for me...Us ladies have screening methods and blacklist database to avoid time wasters and sexual predators...What about the female real estate agents? They are also found in a situation where they are alone with a man. Personally, if I was a real estate agent, I would be afraid to be alone in a empty house with a man who chose my services because of my look. Sounds like a case of sexual harassment.

It IS absolutely a position of power! He is the client and she is the hired independent contractor/agent/employee for a specific agreed upon amount of time. I'll give you a concrete example. Read below. I've been in this situation once and I'll never forget it. I had been hired for an 8 month contract at a prominent company in my field of expertise. I was stoked because the job was awesome and better yet, it was going to look amazing on my resume. It was a great opportunity that would open many doors... Let's just say that I never made it to the end of my contract and put in my resignation within 5 months (said I accepted a full-time job elsewhere) because of the behavior of my boss, which I had to work closely with. Since I didn't want to lose my job at the time, therefore my $ income $, and I wanted the experience and the reference, I put up with a lot of BS from him: from him making friendly advances and then saying he was just joking, from him constantly asking me out to late dinners (saying it would be strictly about business), from him always trying to have any kind of physical contact with him (rubbing my shoulders, holding my hand when he was talking to me, asking for a kiss on the cheek before I left, etc.) and the list goes on and on and on... I managed to leave that job with an outstanding reference but the overall experience made me feel cheap and totally disrespected. It felt like I was there for his personal entertainment. As a professional in my field, it was not the experience I was looking for nor should any employee have to deal with this BS, male or female.

I agree that the mere act of hiring someone for their looks does not constitute harassment in of itself. It is definitely a precursor however and I can understand the reasoning. Let's follow the logic. Can we agree that contracting a real estate agent is, to some extent, similar to hiring an employee? Can we then imagine that OP has hired an employee based on their looks rather than on the job description or the person's qualifications? None of this is harassment. Yet. However OP admits that he's done it before and that it resulted in going on a date. This implies that there is an ulterior motive and a goal of establishing a relationship beyond the professional. In the previous case, apparently it went well. But what if the attraction was not reciprocated? Are we not then setting up a situation in which he will be in a position of power over someone who is trying to make a living but being exposed to unwanted sexual advances? Does that not meet the definition of harassment?

I always saw the "Turn-offs a Lady / Client" and "Ask a Escort / Client" as a fun informative way for both clients and ladies to get an insight into the other person's perspective. Personally I have found it extremely informative and like the threads a great deal. At times some of the comments may have struck a little too close to home for me and made me think about my actions and behaviors which while at the time might be a bit frustrating is in the big picture a good thing... who amongst us could not learn something from an honest assessment of our previous actions. I will however suggest that this community (me included) is often prone to seeing things very black and white and are quick to jump all over a person's opinion that might challenge in some aspect the conventional wisdom of the group. I am pretty sure this happens with both clients and ladies but being a client I am likely seeing this more from a clients perspective. I think we all need to sit back and embrace the information that these types of threads bring to our attention and allow ourselves to be open to that challenging thought... be open to considering that other perspective... we don't have to agree with it... but the thought process around considering it will inform us and allow us to understand that there are other opinions and perspectives out there. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

There is a time and place for everything and being taken advantage of while at the office is offensive and repulsive at the same time. On the other hand, I willingly engage in companionship (which I love) outside of my professional life and I do it on my own personal time and on MY own terms, not company policy ;) Huge difference :)

Nicely said Gabriella. It's not a contradiction to be employed selling sex (companionship ;-)) and yet be against the sexualization of employees. It's a matter of what you are choosing to sell. Someone up above said it and I'll repeat. Hire an agent for agenting and an escort for escorting.

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One would hope in any business if its a real estate rep or anything else, that can spot someone in the early stages who is wasting their time or better known in this business as a WOT ( waste of time). In most cases, people's actions tend to give them away very quickly! Had the OP stated that he was actually looking for a home to purchase, things may have gone in a different direction. There is nothing wrong with picking someone based on your criteria as long as you have good intentions of requiring their services. Imo, this thread got off to a wrong start because it sounded as if he were out to waste a person's time. Clarification is always good!

Maybe it is because you have been sitting on your male privilege for too long. It is beyond my comprehension that you can't imagine how a man who comes on an adult forum to ask for a sexy real estate agent could not eventually escalate to a situation of sexual harassment. Are you capable - just one second - to put yourself in this woman's situation? Let's make an exercise: Imagine that you, a male real estate agent, work hard everyday to build a reputation and credibility. Now on some random male adult fun forums, a guy is asking for a sexy male real estate agent; then your name pops up. Imagine receiving those male clients, are just as interested in your selling pitch as they are at looking at your crotch. Are you cool with that? Imagine those guys are twice your size. You have to stay professional, because they could hurt your business if you hurt their ego. You are forced to courtesy laugh at their shitty and flirty jokes. Better: how about it's the name of your daughter being mentioned on this forum? Hiring a real estate agent based on her sexiness = thinking with your dick. Thinking with you dick = bad decisions.

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I'm sure there are many but shouldn't you be more concerned about their credentials rather than their sex appeal? After all, buying a house is a serious transaction and I know many agents and none of them would like their time wasted:)

When members, in my case a member, thinks it's his right to inform me as to what pics I should and shouldn't post. Also suggesting that I constantly post old pics, I guess new to him is hours old!

In my experience, guys who want nu des are tire kickers, collectors or otherwise a complete waste of time. So if you ask for nu des, that is the impression I get. It's not a good first impression to make.

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OP's second post in this thread reads as follows: Harassment - the Legal Definition from the Webster's New World Law Dictionary is: "Unjustifiable conduct, typically persistent and repetitive, aimed at an individual, that causes distress or discomfort." In my opinion it would not be a stretch to consider someone being approached in their professional work role / environment solely for the voyeuristic sexual viewing pleasure of the client and not in relations to their professional role (ie real estate agent, lawyer, banker etc) to be seen as unwelcome by the individual and to cause them distress or discomfort especially if they are not aware from the outset that this activity will be undertaken by the gentleman for his sexual pleasure. I think unless the lady is aware of the arrangement this type of behavior regardless of the potential for a commission is unjustifiable conduct in a professional environment. But that might just be my warped view of the world lol... if both parties are fully aware of the arrangement from the outset and agree then by all means have at it. Great discussion by the way. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

In my mind, people in this business are not selling themselves, they're selling an experience, more often than not, a fantasy. In this world, more often than not, that fantasy is sexual, so using sex appeal to sell it seems perfectly normal to me. The best courtesans I've encountered are selling passion, romance, vitality, and as adults, I think we all know what activity those qualities tend to culminate in. When you are in the business of lust, it is in your best interest to do everything in your power to inspire that feeling in your patrons.

You are welcome and perhaps I shouldn't have responded since I don't know any in your area. But I did take the course my self and have gotten to know many agents in the Maritimes and felt your question a little off putting. Sure, there is nothing wrong with appreciating someone's sex appeal, nor your post/question but, anyone I know in the business of selling homes wouldn't want that to be the reason for them being hired. They take their work seriously, as would I and they'd want to earn their commission from their work/intelligence not from batting their eyeleashes. Some do care how and where their income comes from. But there is someone and something for everyone, good luck in your search.

Unlike some of us here on Lyla, I think that fadi1716 question is a fair one. What is wrong with trying to find a sexy lady to sell you a house? He has done it before, it could be a fantasy of his, nothing wrong with that, am I right? We live in a society were sex sells and he probably wants to test the water sort of speak. Sorry fadi1716, I'm not from Ottawa and don't know of any sexy real estate agents but if I would I would let you know. Hope you find what you are looking for !

Well unfortunately we as companions go through alot and I felt it would be at least somewhat helpful if we had a post to share our experiences....and we could possibly have more of an understanding of how to communicate and connect with each other and maybe.avoid certain things Same goes for the hobbyist dislikes...we as companions have to respect that as well It's mutual Xo

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When no one takes the time to read through my ads....I always post my hours(still receive calls after hours) post NO blocked calls/emails( still receive those) and my all time favorite lol....do you have pics please(I always post at least 3-5 pics) It would save us both time of you would please just take the time to read before calling I absolutely have no problem discussing rates for my time,location and minor details that are not placed in my ad Thank you to those gentlemen who do take the time to see more than just the pics/phonenumber lol

Thank you for replying cristy, I am not looking to anyone's time. I don't really need their credentials because I've bought several homes in my life and know to look for. I do appreciate her sex appeal much more and at the of the day she would be making about 2.5%on my purchase

I'm sure we could say the same about the "Turn-offs for a Hobbyist" thread. Posted via Mobile Device

Hey they are your pictures post anything you want... who best knows what appropriately represents you. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Oh, don't you just love when you get those! If you cancel 5 minutes before you are supposed to be there, shouldn't you have already been on your way to the location? I love the, 'oh, something came up', bs. If it's 5 minutes before an appointment, you should have been at the lady's location already, or at least, in the vicinity. If the lady is coming to you, have the decency to pay her fee, after all, she came all the way to meet you. I know that life situations happen, but at least text to the lady to say you need to reschedule, as soon as possible! One guy told me that he couldn't send me a message as his wife had suddenly returned home earlier than planned, so he couldn't call or message me. I was left hanging with a no-show, no cancellation. What's wrong with going to the bathroom even and sending out a quick text or call from the 'have to pick up something at the corner store' routine? At least that way we ladies are not wondering if something deadly happened to you on the way here.

I hope you didn't take offense to my comments. I was careful to say that I was not referring to your intentions in particular. I have known you to be a respectful commenter in the past and I don't think that there is anything wrong with respectful open discussions. I was therefore trying not to sound judgemental in my response. We "dark siders" have to stick together after all. As a businessman, whenever any question like this is asked, I always go to the immediate question "why would they?". A business is always run on the notion of mutual benefit. Otherwise it is a charity. There may be reasons I have not thought of that it would be adventagious for her. A thank you gift for a regular perhaps. I can't speak for the ladies. It just doesn't seem like there would be much benefit to her in my mind. I guess the answer to the question "is there a correct way to ask this" is: it depends. Some will find the question offensive no matter how you ask. Some may not. Some may even comply. I wouldn't risk it myself with those odds though.

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As Brad stated earlier, the OP simply asked if it would be okay to ask, which is one of the purposes of this site, no? To try and better navigate this world and show the people who work in the industry the respect they deserve? It's difficult to do that if you don't seek clarification when you're unsure of the usual boundaries of the business. Once we start condemning people for asking these kinds of questions, we drive the discussion underground. I for one prefer these things to be out in the open, where we can all learn more about them, and hear from people within the industry about not only what they think on the issue, but why. So while it did seem like a no-brainer to me that the majority of sp's would scoff at providing more intimate photos of themselves, I think this is a better site when people are genuine seekers, and not just regurgitating the same info we can all find by reading the stickies.

Well I'm sure the ladies of Lyla are just lining up eagerly awaiting the chance to send you pics on the chance you might give them your business Actually I'm quite sure the ladies do just fine without having to send you pictures at all RG

They are also going after those being exploited or underage. An Asian agency was recently busted. Independent and recommended ladies are the way to go. Mostly remember no menus please. Time and companionship now. Gone are the days of asking what does she provide.

I can tell you that if you are seeing known and established independent providers, then you are fine. Law enforcement is not interested in escorts or their clients. Their focus is where it always was... The street. This isn't great for those who work on the street, but truthfully they are likely used to it. Just be smart about who you see, relax, and enjoy :)

Don't let it get you down nor should you let someone else's stupidity(referring to c36) decide how you live and play. Lyla is a great resource for information and for selecting responsible and safe companions. There are many intelligent and well informed ladies and gentlemen here that often post as to what's new, changing and how to proceed since the new laws have come into effect. Peruse the site in full:) But as I posted in another thread, part of Harper and his squads scheme and hope is that they'll scare many respectful and unnoticeable consenting adults out of this industry, don't fall for it and let that happen to you. You'll be fine as long as you stick with legal aged non-drug using professional companions. As the two things I mentioned are illegal and will more likely attract law enforcement/complaints. We are all here, or we should be here , to protect, indulge, educate and help one another through this. Keep smiling it's still safe, fun, and your RIGHT to enjoy consensual adult companionship:)

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I think it is acceptable, is it fair? Maybe not. If a person is fit and uses it to her advantage and another is not as appealing to the eyes it will not work the same. This is were common sense should come in. I'll be honest Cristy and I will probably be hated by others for saying so but men are attracted to the female beauty and if we can see more or get more we will try our best to get it. Is that what we want to teach our children? No ! I was well raised as a kid(at least I think I was) and I was never thought to look for that but as I grew older I was attracted to sex or sexy in women.

In theory from a logical thought process I fully understand the reasons why a lady or a client might choose to not kiss during an encounter.... My problem is I have real trouble moving from that logical understanding to internalizing it when it actually involves me.... I have never in my own mind been able to stop myself from seeing it as them rejecting me personally in some way... Now don't get me wrong I know that is my problem and I certainly would never give a lady a hard time for her personal choice I am just saying it does effect me and it does impact on the level of enjoyment I personally get from the session. Maybe some day I will grow up and get over it but has not happened yet so for me Kissing is a very very big part of the encounter. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Certainly the new laws have added to the risks associated with this hobby but I think it is important that these increased risks be kept in perspective... Prior to the new laws there were risks legal and otherwise that we had to negotiate we were able to do that before and we certainly can now. Do your research... meet with established well know ladies and ensure you keep your communication clear of comments that might cross legal bounds... This law will not be the end... Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

The answer to your question lies in the fact that there are still posts happening

I agree, that's just a question that should never be asked to any of the ladies. Not a great way to start an introduction or possibly ruin a relationship and I would even say it's disrespectful. If any particular lady wanted to show nudes, she would, either in her ad or her personal website. So if you don't see any in her ad, etc, that should tell you something right there. So to all of you beautiful ladies out there, thank you for posting the pics that you do. And there's nothing wrong with a bit of mystery now is there! Bottom line, be respectful guys.

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At the risk of going all Debbie Downer on you... I'm going to anyway. I think that society's current expectations of clients are very low, but this is profoundly connected to society's impressions of sex workers. Unfortunately, the average person's vision of a sex worker is probably very negative. She might be a drug addict working for her pimp/dealer, or a trafficking victim at the mercy of the gang that got her into the country, but the general impression is of someone who is at the mercy of a person (or people) who control her activities, income, and entire life; she's turning tricks for their benefit, and she'll never see any of the proceeds. And that's before you even consider the idea that she may be underage... long story short; she's desperate, on the fringes of society, and she'll do what it takes to earn a few bucks to get her through the next day. That, in turn, feeds society's opinion of the client; he's a guy who just wants to get his rocks off. He doesn't give a damn about the well-being of the provider he sees; he doesn't care where the money goes. And he doesn't care that the girl sucking his cock may be, in the eyes of the law, a child. Society expects him to take what he can get; if he can, he'll rape a provider if he thinks he can get away with it. Long story short: he's an asshole, exploiting the vulnerable, and society expect him to behave as such. Now, everyone reading this post knows damn well that the impressions I've just outlined are absolute crap, and are in no way representative of this industry. Most of the ladies involved are doing exactly what they want to be doing, including a lot of the ones who have entered the country illegally. Most of the clients are, whatever their tastes in terms of age, not looking for someone under the age of majority; most of us would care if we met someone who we felt was being coerced in any way, and a lot of us would make an effort do something about it. Most of the ladies are not on drugs. Most of them are not under the control of anyone, even if they do choose to work for an agency. And most of us are also aware that not all sex workers are female, and not all clients are male. All of these things are... things that society as a whole doesn't get. The fundamental problem is the invisibility of the industry as a whole. I suspect that almost every adult in the country knows folks who are involved in this industry, as either clients or providers; they just don't know it, because none of us have neon signs on our foreheads. These things are changing, slowly; I've noticed over the past few years that sex workers' organizations have become more visible and have begun to get their message across in the mainstream press. This is a long, slow task (think of turning around an oil tanker) but they've made a good start, and people are - slowly - beginning to notice, and get their heads around the idea that there are a lot of sex workers out there who are strong and independent people who are doing exactly what they want to be doing. Clients are still much lower profile, despite being far more numerous, but I hope that will change. The recent changes in the law were designed in part to inhibit that, but I'm optimistic that eventually, reality will shine through. It'll be a long fight, and like many of these fights it'll take a generation or two and the road will be far from smooth. They say that a lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on... but when the truth starts kicking, the game's almost over. We'll get there.