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3 pointsI am going to have to disagree with what is being said in this thread. Firstly I have never used CL to find SPs or MAs, but I realize a lot of people did use it, and even many of its detractors here admit that it was not all bad. The issue, as I see it, has nothing to do with economics and much more to do with the fact that it was shut down by government pressure to make a "statement" about sex work in general. They trotted out the same arguments they have been making in the Bradford case. For the most part they are lies and exaggerations designed to create moral outrage and win votes from the unthinking or unaware populace. They paint all sex-workers and the sex trade as seedy, overrun by lowlifes and criminals. Remembering the differences in US and Canadian prostitution laws, (it was easier to shut down in the US) they had to make the case that CL was overrun with exploited children, human traffickers, and the slave trade; and those that read it were using it to stalk and do harm to the sex-workers. That is outright BS, but it plays well with the Soccer-moms at home reading about it in the Globe. If anyone thinks that a stalker or someone who is meaning to do harm won't use newspaper ads, boards like this, or advertising sites like E-C or others to find a victim then you are mistaken. There maybe a bit more security, but not enough to stop someone who is determined to do evil. As for the Human trafficking angle, not all of those cases involve people being forced into sex-work. In fact I would wager there are a lot more people being exploited into sweat-shops, domestic work, and other low paying jobs than those forced into prostitution. I would say a much higher percentage. Why are they not being looked at by the government? Because it costs them votes in the various ethnic communities. For example, just look at the last two boatloads of people from Sri Lanka that landed on the west coast. From what I saw, there was a large number of men and families in that lot. Not a lot of people who could be exploited in the sex trade. Why are they not tackling that problem? Because it will cost them votes with various communities. In my opinion this is the government starting to fire back after having lost the court case in Ontario. They know they have a losing argument from a legal and ethical standpoint, but that they can win in the court of public opinion if they approach it right. To hell with the truth, lets exploit the public's fears. What worries me is that this is not the only step they will take. This was an easy one for them. I don't think I am being to far-fetched to say that the may start targeting boards like this and other forms of print and electronic media in the near future. They will make the presence of these boards known, and once again start to vilify and attack them. Watch the fear-mongering get worse folks. Sorry to be a "gloomy Gus" but I think any upside that people see in the demise of the CL erotic section, will be soon overshadowed by the fact that we in this world, (Providers, clients etc) are at war with the Government and the "morality-police", and that this is just the first very public shot. They won a victory folks, we didn't.
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3 pointsPersonally... I could not be more happier to see it gone! It was making a bad rap for the whole industry. UN-Moderated ad sites like that are just a welcome invitation to crooks, scams, pimps, underage escorts, etc... Sure lots of good ladies were on craigslist as well hidden within the mess of bait and switch ads and scams but it needed to go and I am very happy to see it gone myself. Before CL people used sites like Escorts Canada Lyla.com and Red Zone (The original canadian escort sites who have been here through thick and thin since the beginning!) craigslist was taking a HUGE chunk of the traffic that these other sites deserve to have. These are credible paid advertising sites (and moderated to ensure as few bait and switch, scammers, underage, etc... Keeping off most of the Bad People for this industry) Down with CL! CL was just KILLING this industry from the inside out! Good day for me as it probably means I will still have a job in 5 years and the future of escorts advertising online in Canada looks a little brighter for out industry! Craigslist was counterproductive! All the years we have spent online trying to give our industry a POSITIVE look and to break the stereotypes and CL was single handedly killing it for us! Giving the scammers a safe haven! I could not be more happy!! Anyone who values the industry and enjoys the more positive image the media has recently taken of prostitution in Canada should raise a glass and give a cheer on this day! The only problem now is the scammers now have a taste of what online advertising can do so my job may be more secure but they will be looking for other places to go for sure. Thankfully no other site with that kind of traffic and power in the world allows people to advertise for free and not moderated!! and after all this... no one will ever build a site like that again as we all know what will happen so it would be a very bad investment!
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2 pointsMany people can't discuss such things in their personal life, and CERB is the only place to do it. CERB is a fabulous community filled with open-minded, intelligent, and thoughtful people. I love being an active member of this board, generating discussion, and reading the views of others. I will not apologize for that!
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2 pointsI think the problem was that cl took a totally "hands-off" community moderated strategy. This played into the hands of criminals & fraudsters, and was often used against legit advertisers. I advertised with them and will now need to find an alternative to their convenient "enroute" advertising that worked so well for me. But overall, I'd rather see our advertising handled by responsible professionals. I never paid a cent for my cl ads, but they took their toll on me in so many other ways.
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1 pointI'm not sure CL and the politicians have thought it thru.Kijiji did the same move a few years ago and the result was the Personals and therapists sections were flooded with escorts.And finally they siimply killed off those sections because the real massage therapists and people looking for a date never knew if they were answering for an escort or the real deal.This is not the first time it happens and they simply dont learn.They are not fixing a problem ,they are simply moving it.
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1 pointUnfortunately I have to disagree with above statement(not that I have a problem with CL closed). Many of the girls who used to advertise with CL do NOT know about cerb or heard about EC in order to come over especially the younger and newer ones. And yes plenty as you said worth a damn and some are great, it but I admit not all. Everytime I used to meet a lady from CL (and I have met plenty), I had to tell them about cerb and to my surprise, they were surprised that such board exists (I would say about 90% of them). I have come across many examples of this kind and the most recent being Jaymie who I had the pleasure yesterday (she had no idea whatsoever about cerb and at first even appeared scared until I showed her various parts of the board and the ad section), but I can give you a long list of girls. I wish there was a magic way that we could let know all those girls on CL about cerb and EC. May be improved or even aggressive marketing technics about free cerb and the EC site is the key (just a suggestion).
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1 pointHere- cerb.ca or the parent company http://www.escorts-canada.com both free and paid options are available.
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1 pointDon't worry about me jughead just because cl is gone doesn't mean there aren't scams to be exposed I just added two posts today about some "agencies" and their deceptive practices... the scammers and flakes that were on cl will find other venues and I'll be there to make sure they don't get away with anything. As for money, I hardly do this for the money, my goal was to level the playing field for both clients and providers, filtering out the crap so to speak. I am happy to say that from "buy me a beer" purchases and ad revenue from banner ads since March of this year 20% was donated to 4 local charities, CHEO, The Humane Society, A local womens shelter and The United way. Thanks to your donations and my sponsors 425.00 was raised. Thank you for your continued support, drop by and watch how the diary evolves. Really there's no reason to go elsewhere than cerb, but if you must take the diary along as your companion while you shop.
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1 pointIn the words of the great Frank Barone (Everybody Loves Raymond)..."suck it up Nancy!"
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1 pointI agree. In the long run it even works out better than complicated relationships. $$ cheaper too!:-) Funny, I never though I would pay for a prostitute?s service. I was one that thought it was beneath me, but, you know what, once I took the plunge (for what ever reason) I have met the most incredible women. Beautiful, funny, intelligent and always and above all interesting. So far no regrets.
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1 pointI am glad to see it go as well. When I came back to escorting last spring, I felt I had no choice but to use CL and I also felt I had to bow to the pressure of offering half hour appts which I had never done in the past. I don't mind them but I felt CL was a step down compared to where and how I used to advertise in previous years. I gave in and waited with baited breath to see the outcome. It wasn't as bad as I thought especially only working in the day time. Nevertheless, I did meet some very nice guys who used CL and have become regulars. They were not weirdos or drunks but I will not miss the incessant calls at 3 am from some intoxicated wassup type guy or the ones who would make fake appts, waste your time and call back 2 weeks later thinking I wouldn't remember them. Yeah right. The shutdown of CL will not stop human trafficking but it will help cut down on places for them to advertise. After having advertised with CL for so long, these outfits will not want to pay for more mainstream adult advertising. This will most likely result in a better prices/rates for SPs and eliminating the whole $80 services which will go back underground or back to the streets or on chat lines as they did in the past. While CL fared out well with the collapse of the U.S. economy as well as some rough times in Canada, I don't think professional SPs will have to compete with women offering half services or 15 minute appts. I predict this will all end. Sure, there may be another free or low rate classified site comparable to the design of CL but as Mod said, no one will make the mistakes Craig's List made. They set a precedent but as you can see many negative things such as a woman being murdered in the U.S. happened as a result of opening the erotic section. Had that section in general been moderated from day one, it could have had a different outcome and perhaps the Canadian Gov't may have not had it out for this site. I came from an SP era where there was no Craig's List so when I had to begin using it, it felt foreign to me and at times frightening. I used to advertise on E-C and another board in Toronto and that's what everyone else did as well. I think a lot of new SPs feel they can't live without CL but having gone without it for many years and then using it, I would rather see it gone. I always knew it never represented the ladies especially services providers who prided themselves on offering a good service and proper presentation to their clients. I felt the whole experience of making a date and seeing client was gone. There were no more emails from clients introducing themselves and gaining a better understanding of the SP through exchanged emails. Some CL clients even though they were clean and polite just wanted a quickie and they were gone. They may have come back weeks later or never again. It was a different way of doing business and I had to adjust to it. So now, the way I see it, is a new beginning for this industry and perhaps it will thrive. There will be alternate places for SPs to advertise and will definitely cut out the rif raff. No more 15 minute appts, no more tire kickers or weirdos who feel they can remain anonymous. I'm sure many SPs will advertise themselves differently as well on such sites as E-C as it does not have a cheap vibe to it. I know I am going to revert to how I used to advertise in previous years. I can recall when the Ottawa Sun announced that they were eliminating their escorting ads and everyone was freaking out. That's when the internet began to take off and Sun ads almost became useless and more expensive. Craig's List was just another venue to advertise on and it is not the be all end all. Prostituition is the oldest profession and I'm sure the clients will find the women and vice versa. Just give it some time and everything will fall into place. Hopefully for the better. Amen.
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1 pointWhile it will be missed thanks to the NICE guys I have met from there, thankfully they are smart, and will quickly realize to start looking over here for us!!! Good riddance to all the OVER posters {WE get it...Your AVAILABLE ;) } ..scammers..and bait & switchers.........
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1 pointToo bad! too sad!boo hoo!..I really don't care about cl gone, I know this statement may piss off some ladies the are legit and use cl, but this is my side of the issue. I have successfully met so many great women right here on Cerb and also on EC may they be local or touring ladies. There was just far too many B & S crap on cl years back and still today!!! look there was/is women stealing other women photo's!! A couple of rip off artists that were stealing from the men-(customers), it was noted here,and on CK's diary. Those scammers and shit disturbers will only end up using local ads in the Ottawa Sun newspaper I'm sure. It took me twice, to learn the hard way when I started hobbying (got horrible service and was scammed) so since then, it has always been here and EC. There may be an influx of more women on here and EC, that must prove that they are legit and not scammers, which is good for everyone all around. That said, if there is more advertising here and on EC I think the men will come as well.
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1 pointThere are jerks and creeps everywhere and all across Canada to be sure, East, Central, Western and North. Perhaps just making sure you do your best to stay clear of guys like that would be your best move. They are looking for attention more than anything, trying to get a response from you and suck you in to their game. Just delete the creeps message and pretend that you never saw it at all. I am sure there are lots of great guys on the East Coast and it seems that it would be unfair to not see them all because of that jerk. Do what you can to steer clear of the losers that email or PM you that crap. But above all, ensure that you feel safe and secure, that must be your first priority.
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1 pointI don't understand why people need to be in judgement of anyone. Who in life is so superior that they can look down in judgement at someone else. And why is it that society in general looks down at someone who is a sex worker. I try my best to be judgement free of others, and even in pre hobbying days I didn't judge ladies who were/are sex workers The important things in life are how you treat others, are you a good, honest and ethical person, and to not hurt others...long and short, treat others as you want to be treated Don't know whether this post applies to this thread but posted anyways RG
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1 pointThere is a definite stereotype about sexworkers. I know a couple of sugar daddies who avoid professionals not because they think they are above seeing a professional because they don't want to be manipulated and part of the sexworker misperception is that we are gifted grifters. I do not understand the mentality of people who think they are above being a prostitute because we all prostitute ourselves at some point. Whether it's going to a job everyday that we hate, marrying someone for financial security or any other situation that you are in that you are only there to get something out of it. People feel the need to reassure themselves of their self worth by finding others to look down on, we are just a convenient group to look down on. cat
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1 pointPEI is known for it's friendly people but there are bad seeds everywhere. If you come here.. I assure you will have a wonderful time. I can say I'd be disappointed if you don't come.
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1 pointI'm sorry to hear about these rude and disgusting emails Emily...As someone said at least you know what an asshole he is so that you did'nt find out when/if you had met him. I've travelled all across Canada for the last 3 years..Certain areas I receive more rude/disgusting emails then others... Although they anger me and I love to tell them where to stick it I give no reaction as I bet that pisses them off the most...so I simply delete them...We cannot punish every guy in the area for a few bad apples. My expirience with a gent from PEI ( I'm including this to show that there are amazing men in PEI) During my trip out east I met a gentleman that travelled from PEI to spend a few hours with me in Moncton and he was an amazing man, and we had an amazing few hours I believe we even lost track of time because we enjoyed eachothers company so much.So we parted ways and I get a call the next day after he has driven back to PEI from Moncton (which is a few hours away I think) and booked another appt for my last day in Moncton..we ended up spending the whole afternoon together ..... You may wonder why I've added this to my post, My point is that this gent from PEI is one of the nicest men I've EVER MET in all of my travels and as I said he is from PEI.....So clearly there are some truly amazing men in PEI. So Emily if I'm not overstepping my boundries I'd say go to PEI and give the great men of PEI a chance to spend time with a beautiful and obviously amazing woman.. I will say this though and I hope I don't get blasted for saying it, I had more rude clients, emails and telehpone calls in eastern Canada then I have ever encountered anywhere else...So I think for every 5 great eastern fellas there are 1 or 2 bad apples....I'm not saying that there are more assholes out east then the rest of Canada I'm just saying I encountered more out east. Perhaps the "trolls" in the rest of Canada are in hiding lol...But the AMAZING eastern Canada guys (some of the BEST CLIENTS I've EVER MET) made up for it so much. Just my $.02.....My intention is not to anger or insult everyone, this is just my opinion and my exppirience out east.
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1 pointHi Emily I am from nova scotia and originally from Ontario and I can tell you that I love pei. I find the people there warm and welcoming. Like small town Ontario where I lived or anywhere else there are alot if young guys with too much time on their hands and very little imagination. Angel is a smart girl and she is probably correct in her assessment. I think you will be missing out if you pass because of a few lowlife hicks. And for those who have not been your comments are pointless just move on.
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1 pointI've never been there, but my husband has and he claims they drink their beer at room temp. No accounting for taste, eh?
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