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Berlin I respect your point of view but was it necessary to be so harsh? I know some here don't care for the community feeling and just visit the site for specific purposes and that is fine. Nobody is obligated to read these personal threads and nobody is forbidden from posting more sexual oriented threads. So in my opinion those who are not interested in reading personal stuff can move on to the next thread after reading the title or the first couple of lines. Those who are only here to contact ladies have the option to click on the announcement section and skip the rest, that's why the site is divided by sections, to make this easier. I have read posts from most active members (ladies & gents) that involve personal issues or experiences so I'm surprised to see a complaint from ladies about this. We don't have a particular group for let's say jokes and nobody has complaint for seeing them in the main index. I don't really care a lot about them (no offense to the posters) but I just skip them same way any thread can be skipped by those not interested. I agree with Secret Admirer we should be more supportive to each other as one day it may be you who will need from the rest (I'm not saying you in particular.) I mean one can be on the other side any minute and yes some ladies have SP access but not all and the guys don't have a private area and yes there's the groups but again the general section is to bring up any kind of topics. As far as I know there's no rule that says otherwise.

Wow. Brutal thread. Not something I expected to see here. I think if we did a thread count, the personal stuff would be a teeny tiny minority of the things discussed here. There's still plenty of money-for-sex talk for those who want it. But if that was ALL that I found here, I wouldn't stick around very long - I guess I'd just pay brief visits whenever my blood was up. I don't come here primarily to read about other members' personal lives, but I'm happy when I see that some people are comfortable enough to post something about themselves they're feeling strongly about at the moment. The place *is* a community. There's lots of room for everyone, and people who don't appreciate talk outside certain narrow boundaries are free to skip the threads they don't like. And to me, the modest number of personal discussions here serve a valuable function: they humanize both clients and SPs, proving you can sell sex and pay for sex yet still be a thinking, feeling, sometimes intelligent person with a wealth of other interests. And as fellow human beings, some other clients and SPs might actually be interested in hearing what you have to say, and helping out a bit, even if it's not about our dicks and "titties". In that respect, part of those threads' value is *precisely* that they're on an escort recommendation board. I wouldn't want those discussions to dominate the board, but in their current proportion I find them not just tolerable, they actually make the place more human.

I think that cerb is more than just a recommendation board where people come to look at pretty ladies, read reviews, exchange information. It has grown to become a loving and caring community where we share much more than above. It is a community where we share our happiness and pleasures as well as our sadness and pains and our thoughts and views on various subjects. We are like a family (at least that is how I would like to look at it) and just like a family when one member is happy we all are happy for that member and when one is in pain, we all feel the pain. My 2 cents.

One thing about CERB is the sense of community. Yes serious issues are discussed, some lighthearted ones (thinking of the joke section and music section), recos/reviews...but with some differences of opinion, we are a community. And that sense of community makes a person feel safe enough to bring up a non escorting relate subject, the feeling that he/she is talking amongst friends. If that sense of community goes, whats the difference between CERB and T***, C****, and other sites which are a distant second to CERB imho It may just be a fluke that all these topics came out at the same time, but at least the members felt safe enough to share here RG

Actually, if you look at this site, there is an area for escort and ma discussion, it is discussed by city. The general discussion area is the free for all area imho (as long as not offensive), if not covered under a different area of the board. And unless there are specific rules saying no posts about personal matters, or cats, or whatever, whats the big deal If you don't want to read the post, then don't. But judging from some of the threads (the one about recovery, one about cancer, and std's for example) if they were really so inappropriate to post, why did the thread go on...obviously they resonate with members Posts like these don't take over the board at the expense of escort/ma discussion, they compliment it. My two cents RG

The bb practice is a choice, not referring to full service, just the other stuff. For me personally , my choice is NO bb as I see it as high risk. I used to get at least 2-3 requests daily for bbbj or cim, and because I would not do that, the clients would take a pass. To me, this was frustrating because I thought, ummmmm...have people forgotten what is out there??? I still have not changed my ways, and I won't change it for nobody. Now that I have been back for a while, most men are familiar with my ways, and lately, I have actually had more men than usual contact me, most being because they like that I do not provide bbbj and/or cim. So all this to say, it may take a while, but there are just as many men who want to spend time with ladies who only practice safe services as there are who want to spend time with ladies that offer bbbj & cim. It is what it is, all you can do is protect yourself accordingly, and ADVERTISE this too.

I agree with this so much!!!!! I can't tell you how many times, since i've been in the biz, that I've had people tell me that, if I'm going to sleep with someone in my personal life, I'd 'better tell them I'm an escort cause it's so risky'. I'm sorry but whaaaaaaaaaat? Nevermind all of the people I know who sleep around with whoever they want, some with but some without condoms. But they don't get told to release they're sexual history before a hook up, however as an escort I do. Hmmm no I dont think so. I have been more stringent with testing and I use protection 100% of the time, so it really infuriates me that people assume because I am in the business, I'm therefore more at risk than those who just sleep around for fun.

HEYA, JUST PASSING BY AND EXERCISING MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH HERE ON CERB, WHERE, WE CAN DO THIS! here is some useless personal information My crotch itches and therefore I am itching it My breath tastes and surely reeks of creamy garlic dip Today I split my pants I'm thirsty My nails are painted pink and have silver stars on them My legs have 3 day stubble I have 7 tattoos I sew, paint and write I have stretchmarks I am not wearing any pants Okay, who farted??? I see a psychiatrist or does the psychiatrist see me?(remember to ask) Addicted to facebook and update like twitter Happily Married to a client and Married another for an hour once I LOVE my kitty What do I think? I don't have to, I'm Catholic lol jk I am the friendliest person many have met I still owe $7200 on my student loan I wear animal fur blablabla if you have gotten this far.. XXX my apologies I forgot to mention my shoe size,religion and medical history. Gee, I nominate myself for valued member award; just look at all these values :)

Lol... if only politics doesn't affect EVERYTHING. and if only the elections didn't affect the upcoming ruling on prostitution... then maybe political discussions would be irrelevant to CERB...

My sentiments exactly! Unfortunately, there are certain circumstances where negativity sometimes wins out, and this may one. I'm willing to bet that anyone reading this post will now be much more hesitant to post "personal stories" on CERB, at least for awhile. And we also now have to be more careful about how we use the word "family"!

Ya. you four ladies are right. This Cerb site is strictly about Sex and Titties I guess is how you worded it ! Oops ! I forgot about my penis for a second here and there and had fun and enjoyed reading posts or sharing some things with people or felt some feelings for someone or tried to help them when they were down. Bad Me !!

Well here is where I get tired of the spin put on this by people and the press. All the opposition parties jumped on Harper about ethics and contempt of parliament. The big one in the debates was the "leaked" DRAFT of the AG's report. Firstly it was a draft that was circulated to the departments concerned to correct factual errors and collect further data. It was not the final report, and the AG herself said that. That report was circulated in confidence and was to be treated as secret, for many reasons, not the least of which the damage an error could cause. Release the report, the opposition says, but that is against the law. Read the law that governs the AG and you will see that it must be tabled in parliament first. A part of our great democratic tradition. It is tabled and debated in an open forum governed by parliamentary procedure, not on the hustings where nobody is held accountable for their words or actions. So we have leaders spouting about another's ethics and contempt for parliament using a document they know was obtained through theft or violation of a person's sworn oath. The employee who leaked it, (purportedly a Liberal partisan, but I cannot confirm that) did so in violation of the trust the people of Canada placed in that person. So we are to believe that the other leaders are so morally superior and respectful of parliament? They chose to go on the attack using evidence they know is factually incorrect, was obtained illegally, and because the report by law, is to be tabled openly in the House of Commons first, was used in contempt of the very same parliament they say they are protecting? Bull shit, it is political opportunism plain and simple. Bottom line, the whole lot of them are challenged by the truth. This isn't a rant in favour of any one party or leader. It is me saying I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy espoused by politicians of all stripes whenever they open their mouths, egged on by a press corps that thrives on scandals (even if they have to create them) and special interest groups who are looking out for nobody but themselves. Give me a break.

Today's lesson is brought to you by the Letters Y, M, another M and V. And of course boys and girls, all together that means, Your Mileage May Vary. That means that what I describe here as my experience, may not be your experience. I don't need to explain why, it is among other things chemistry, trust, and familiarity with the people. I have seen both of these ladies multiple times, so there is a level of comfort and familiarity that others may not enjoy. So now on with the show!!! If you didn't already know, I am a big fan of both Katedot and Cleo Catra. I have seen both ladies on multiple occasions. I know they had both met at a social event some month's back, but I know they hadn't seen each other since, and had never worked together. I knew them both well enough to be pretty sure that they would complement each other, and would have a great time. So the gears started turning in my little mind, and I started planning to get them together. With a little luck and good timing, the girls met to discuss, and we had a date. I arrived Chez Cleo at the appointed hour and knocked at the door. I was surprised that the door was opened by the lovely Kate. There she was in a short black top and no pants, a happy smile on her face. We had a lovely hello kiss, and as I was taking off my coat and shoes Cleo appeared, dressed in a white tank top and panties. Again a quick kiss hello, and then we opened the bottle of wine I had brought for the occasion. Australian wine of course in honour of Cleo's impending vacation. We stood there savouring the wine and chatting, sharing a few laughs. It wasn't long before Cleo said, we should get this show on the road. I put down my glass, reached my arms out and drew the two lovelies in close to me on either side. I hesitated a bit and this caused Cleo to remark "Look at him, he can't decide which of us to kiss first." That was true, but I was also going for a little build up of anticipation. Since she spoke first I leaned in to give Cleo a kiss, her soft lips against mine, the tips of our tongues flicking together. Then I turned my head and repeated the same with Kate. I alternated this a couple of times, lips and tongues intertwining, then I stood back and watched as they kissed each other. There was definitely no prodding needed for that. Needless to say by this time the front of my jeans were stretching out of shape. Realizing that while standing in the kitchen in a triangular necking circle was cool, it would be so much better in the bedroom, so we headed off. The girls both removed their shirts and I my jeans and shirt, so that the three of us were in our underwear. The girls looked incredibly sexy in their bras and panties. We continued to kiss and caress building up the excitement level slowly and tenderly. Then the bras came off and two pairs of the most exquisite breasts came into view, and into play. I leaned over to Kate, gave her a kiss that continued down her neck and shoulders until I had one of her delectable and responsive nipples in my mouth. As I sucked and teased her breasts, I looked up to see the two girls kissing. Then I turned my head and took one of Cleo's nipples into my mouth. She sat back while Kate kissed her way down and took the other nipple into her mouth. Kate and I made eye-contact and shared a pleased glance as we both sucked and licked Cleo's nipples and heard her little moans of contentment. (were they purrs?) Of course as this was going on, both of the ladies were taking the opportunity to play with my cock as it pushed hard against my shorts. They were experts at teasing and making me get even harder, as if that were possible. Soon the remaining underwear was on the floor, and we were at it in earnest. Kate soon took charge and pushed Cleo back on the bed, crawled between her legs and started to lick her pussy. This provoked some moans of delight from both girls. I crawled up beside Cleo to kiss her and play with her breasts as Kate's tongue and mouth worked their magic between Cleo's legs. It was at this point that I think Cleo had her first orgasm. I am certain it wasn't her last. I slowly kissed my way down her body towards where Kate was licking. As I got down there she raised her head, and we kissed so that I could taste Cleo's juices on her lips. I then continued on my journey kissing slowly down Kate's back as she resumed pleasuring Miss Cleo. When I got to her lower back my hand carressed her beautiful bum, and then slid between her thighs where I discovered to no surprise that she was very wet. I slid my finger into her pussy, which caused her to moan; her back arched and she pushed back against my fingers. I fingered her pussy for a bit before moving her sideways so that my mouth could have access to her tasty wetness. There we were, Kate licking Cleo, me licking Kate and Cleo stroking my cock. A perfect example of teamwork and multi-tasking. For the next configuration change, Cleo decided she had to return the favour to Kate and do a little licking herself. As she pushed Kate back, she quickly had another idea and reached to the bedside table for a condom, which she quickly applied to my cock. She leaned her head between Kate's legs and pushed her own bum in my direction to give me access to her well lubricated and ready pussy. As I slid into her, she remarked that Kate has a very "pretty kitty" which surprisingly, was not the first time I had heard another woman say that very thing. She started licking and playing with Kate's pussy as I fucked her doggie. Kate was looking up at me, obviously enjoying the show, and as I could tell she had at least one "eye's rolling back" orgasm. Of course Cleo was not immune and had to occasionally stop licking as she had a "moment" or two of her own. I pulled out of Cleo, knelt down behind her and kissed the back of her thighs, and licked at her pussy. She then spun around from Kate, came down to my end of the bed, and pulled the condom off so that she could start sucking my cock. What followed was one of the "porn movie" highlights. As I stood on the floor at the end of the bed, the two very pretty ladies were kneeling on either side of my cock, licking and sucking up its length. Licking up the length together, they were taking turns taking it into their mouths, stopping to kiss each other, or have their tongues intertwine on my member. It was an image that will stay with me for a very long time. Kate then took the initiative and reached for another condom. Cleo was pushed back on the bed and Kate knelt forward allowing me to enter her doggie as she was dining on the kitty's kitty. At first I thought this might be a challenge as Kate and I have had issues with Doggie before. Although we are the same height, she has much longer legs than mine and we have often found trouble getting in a good spot for doggie. Perfect height for kissing and looking eye-to-eye, but not so much for rear entry sex. However, like in the Goldilocks story, Cleo's bed was just right, and all of our parts alligned perfectly. I grabbed Kate by the hips and pulled her pussy back onto my hard cock as she eagerly dined at Cleo's Y. Cleo was lying back, taking it all in and admiring a view that she described as very hot. I can say the look of her experiencing an orgasm as a result of Kate's work was equally hot. I think Cleo also liked it that she got a close up view of Kate having to stop for a second or two to have her own orgasm from us fucking. I then realised that there was one pussy in the room I had yet to lick during this session, and as I said that out loud Cleo's face lit up and she responded with a "Yes please!" I crawled between her legs kissing my way up her thighs to feast on her delectable pussy. As I was doing that Kate decided that it was time to suck my cock again, and she started with one of her incredible blowjobs. The girl certainly has oral skills. I used my mouth and fingers to tease and excite Miss Cleo, all the while she was looking down at how Kate was ministering to me. Watching Cleo orgasm, while at the same time Kate was using her hands and mouth to stimulate me was more than I could take. Cleo sensed this, looked at me and said "You are giving an orgasm just as you are about to have one, that is hot!" And she was very right. Kate sensed it as well, and continued to pump my cock with her hand just as my body started to convulse with an intense and prolonged orgasm, as I was locked into eye contact with an orgasming Cleo. Then, not satisfied Kate continued to play with and tease my now very sensitive cock so that I twitched and moaned some more. I am not usually an overly vocal person during sex, but I am sure the noises I was making could be heard two floors up. I looked down at Kate and there she was, my cock still firmly in her hands, held next to her face. She was displaying a "cat who ate the canary smile"; at the same time sexy, playful and satisfied. What made it hotter was that there was a small dribble of my cum running down her chin. I don't think an erotic photographer could have come up with a more exciting and evocative image. Kate reliquished her grip on my cock, crawled up beside me and into my arms to give me a warm and passionate kiss. Now I am sure some of the guys are going "Ewwww" at this, a kiss after a BJ, but not me. It was affectionate and intense. Something that turned me on incredibly. All three of us kissed a bit, and then Cleo jumped up and said, "Time for more wine!" We moved to the kitchen where the three of us stood around naked enjoying another glass of wine and trying to get our respective hearts back to a resting rate. That was particularly hard for me as I was looking at two of my favourite naked ladies. Or is that two of my favourite ladies, naked? All too soon the wine was gone, and it was time for me to get dressed and leave this little bit of heaven on earth. When I was dressed I gave them both a warm hug and a kiss tonight. I was a bit embarassed when Cleo said I was a genius for suggesting this in the first place. I just know people, and I had chatted and seen the both of these ladies enough to know the three of us were going to get along famously. Both Kate and I did say there was going to be a "Welcome Home Cleo" party when she returns from down under, and I have no doubt that it is going to be even hotter. I know we are all in violent agreement that it is going to happen again. I can't recommend these two ladies highly enough, either singly, or together. Of course the YMMV disclaimer applies. I have seen both of these ladies multiple times, and chatted with them often as well. There was a level of familiarity and compatability between us that made this event great and the services may be different for someone seeing them the first time. That is only common sense. All and all it was a legendary night, and to borrow a line from Californication, it was an event that "has my dick writing me thank-you letters!" :P

Ok, so this is going to make me sound like a huge downer and/or bitch, but all of the personal stories as of late are totally out of place on this board. Right now, we have threads about one member having cancer, another about a member's addiction recovery, and of course, all of the threads about bareback anything/sex education (no, they are not personal stories, but I'll get to why this bothers me in a second). So, why am I bothered by such threads? NO ONE COMES HERE TO READ ABOUT YOUR LIFE. This is not a self-help forum. Yes, I am sad to hear that you're doing poorly, yes I hope you recover/get better/learn to become less socially inept/insert positive comment here about whatever your issue is. But let's get real, this is an ESCORT RECOMMENDATION BOARD. People come here to look at pretty ladies, read reviews, exchange information etc. There are places for your personal stories (Chicken Soup for the Cerbite's Soul) etc. The threads about sexual health piss me off because they just create moral panics about sex workers spreading STI's, AND because while there is no specific forum regarding health concerns or info for the general members (there is one for the SP's), there is an entire section titled "NEW TO THIS? THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW" and frankly, info about STI's and shit should go in there. And just stop posting about bareback services. We all know some SP's do it, and some provide certain bb services such as BBBJ, and that's their preference. Resurrecting these debates on CERB really does just create more panic and more stigma. Let's try to remember what the point of this board is before you post your personal shit. While many will post "oh, that's terrible, my thoughts are with you," most of them don't care, don't mean it, and wish they were watching porn. If you have become close with certain members and wish to inform them about something in your life that you think they might want or need to know, send them a PM! Don't post a huge thread in the general forums about it. OR put the post in a more appropriate location such as the Chicken Soup for the Cerbites Soul, etc. There are some things that are best kept to yourself! If I were a dude looking for an escort, I certainly wouldn't want to come to CERB to read about cancer, people dying, drug addictions, and how dangerous bareback services are. Also, I am not trying to offend those people who posted their personal stories; I'm not heartless. I agree that people should get to know each other, but seriously, could we keep it lighter? Lately CERB has been all gloom and doom.

Hey I read this rule about posting what you are looking for so I hope it is okay: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_guyads (This is my first post so apologies in advance if I am doing something wrong.) I am looking for a lesbian/queer/dyke or at least queer-friendly SP in Ottawa. The services would be for me, and possibly my husband too. We are in our early 30s and very clean and respectful and feminist and pro-sex worker and can respect any boundaries and are not looking for anything rough or dangerous or unprotected or even that kinky really - just, you know, the usual FFM fantasy stuff. I imagine that as clients go we would be pleasant enough ones. We are not assholes looking to haggle about rates or whatever. I also might want to arrange meetings just myself. What the SP would be like: I am not rich, so affordable-ish is nice, but I am not looking to be cheap and I am willing to pay what is fair. We would be interested in someone that hosts incalls. We have never done this before. We are basically looking for someone with the right attitude for meeting up with a woman or a couple - the attitude is the most important thing. But in terms of other requirements: curvier is more our preference than skinny, I think. Race is not really important. "Alternative" is great. Whatever. Also, I would be interested in a lot of girl-on-girl kissing. Other activities to be discussed. Discretion required, obviously. Also we would like someone that will not judge us for our large-ish body size. If you are the SP we are looking for or you know the right person please direct me to their website. Thank you for your time!

I have been guilty of this behavior too, where it cost me 7 days in the Cerb slammer. No this is not a personal story,just true facts.....lol ;) I have just finished reading this thread, and along the way some words/tones may of come across harsh that is however the power of words. I certainly need practice more often when trying to express myself as I can come across sarcastic,possibly humorous,serious,pissed off, so now I try to wait and reflect on the subject on hand. I'm not stating that anyone who has posted in this thread is coming across harsh or deserves any kind of retribution at all. Both sides have very good merit in this thread. When there is something that means very little to myself,I simply skip through it, I have joined just about every social group going,and may throw my comments in there. I do agree with Berlin's last statement PR is what is at stake, not for me, but for those ladies that us men seek out. Personally lately that is where I do most of my surfing on the site(seeking out women),but I will jump in at a thread that interests myself. Anyways my fellowship (thanks WIT I like that) if you are reading my post, take the time a watch this video, it really gets the point across of 'The Power Of Words' Happy Easter everyone :)

I have read and re-read the rules and FAQ section here on Cerb and I can't for the life of me find the rule where it says that discussing politics is not permitted. We all have the choice to read or not read a particular thread or post. The same can be said for replying to a thread, if you don't like the thread topic (A) don't read the posts and (B) don't bother replying to said thread!

There you go getting all personal (please note my sarcastic tone). I hope to live another 50 years but no one cares......too personal so let's get back to the fun and interesting topics we all love. No need for any more sniping....let's just all coexist (sarcastic tone and generous eye rolling). Peace and goodwill to all

On the one hand, I'll always support everyone's right to free speech, even when I don't agree with what they're saying(the real test of whether you believe in freedom or not). On the other hand, the hobby that brought us all here relies heavily on a certain level of discretion. When people start getting too personal, they may not be paying enough heed to that fact. A certain amount of privacy is necessary to maintain discretion, and if that means keeping an impersonal distance, so be it. I'll talk about my dogs or my canoe, but I'm not going to tell anybody my medical history(nothing contagious).

Hey Folks, Can we all have a group hug here and move on. There is so much more positive to focus on in our site... Musings from a guy who wants to move upwards and onwards (like Tarzan or Superman, lol)...

Glad to hear :icon_wink: I really wasn't trying to be offensive. Sometimes "tone" is lost online.. Maybe the social groups could be easier to find, that way people can get the feedback there looking for, without publicly posting such personal - off topic information. Just a thought! Kimberly

On the threads about STIs: as I said in the most recent one, I don't think they're a bad thing in principle. They educate people (maybe not those who have seen/heard it all before, but there's always new folks here), and I'm all in favour of that. I also disagree that they cause panics, moral or otherwise; I don't recall seeing any panic-ridden posts, and unfortunately STIs are a reality that we all have to deal with. Sweeping them under the carpet won't change this, and may make things worse. I think pretty much everyone here on CERB is well beyond the "All SPs are disease-ridden vermin" stupidity that we see in some sections of society, and I see no reason to avoid an open and honest discussion about these things. And if inaccurate information gets posted - whether it be scaremongering or overly complacent - I see no reason why it shouldn't be shot down. And yes, it might be a good idea to have a forum specifically for health-related discussions that those who aren't interested/know it all already can ignore. In the short term, I believe anyone who feels that these threads (or any others) should be moved to another forum can flag them for the Mod and suggest this. XXXXXX I don't think that most of the folks here who express sympathy for the misfortunes of others are being insincere, and I'm *sure* that those who do care would prefer not to be tarred with the same brush as those who don't. Maybe I'm just being a little naive here, but much of the sentiment expressed strikes me as genuine, and I don't think it's fair on the majority of people here to characterize them as shallow opportunists. And even if they are - is that a bad thing if it cheers someone up when they need it? I'd argue that it's not. XXXXXX It has been mentioned that other places - such as Chicken Soup for the Cerbites Soul - would be a better place for some of the "I'm having a tough time right now" posts. One issue with this is that it's a group rather than a forum, and groups aren't actually all that easy to find for folks who aren't intimately familiar with the CERB layout. It's been mentioned before that perhaps the main groups page should have a link on the main toolbar (with User CP, Chat Room, et al). I'd be inclined to agree with this, and more generally with the idea of making groups more obvious. XXX-- Finally, as has been suggested already, everyone is entirely at liberty to ignore threads they're not interested in, for whatever reason. And anyone who thinks there are too many threads on one topic, or that the overall tone is too negative, is more than welcome to start more threads on breasticles, kittens, death metal, rainbows, unicorns or whatever other topics they consider more acceptable (or if anyone feels like a challenge, get all those in the same post to kick off the ultimate in awesome threads - bonus points if you do it in verse :) ).

Great reality check Berlin! Normally I'm the type of person to let things soak a bit before responding in situaltions like this (old bull vs young bull for those of you who know the "fable"). But in this instance it has been pretty clear in my simple mind. I thoroughly enjoy this site, for a myraid of reasons - most of them thinking about the SP's, gaining insight, information and having sexual fun in general. Having said that, am totally understanding of challenging circumstances. At the end of the day though, I booked a flight to Ottawa, am staying at a 5 star hotel to attend the CERB social on 5 May and am really looking forward to this. It is for one night and I want to have fun! As much as I empathize with those who have challenging personal circumstances, which includes me (by the way), I am not venturing to this exciting event (my view) to be socially be responsible. I want adventure, laughter, new friends and yes Berlin's "TITTIES" (figuratively not literally). One of the great things about this site is the ability to accomodate a diverse and eclectic range of interests and views. However, the figurative "TITTIES" work big time for me at this event. Musings from CERBite with a little (OK, alot) of grey hair....

Some of us understood what you meant SA! There's absolutely nothing creepy about it ;)

Lots of things create stigma.. I think STDs is probably the less likely to with the educated public... And the people who do point fingers at escorts as being STD carriers aren't going to stop because we don't talk about it. Honestly though, I think people don't get enough credit... Panic? What year is this? If you panic of STDs... here's a hint -- GET TESTED. Test results, panic ends. Simple as that. I'm with you that the ongoings of everyone's private lives are of little interest to me, (and many others here...) but I mean we draw the line as STDs (something relevant to escorting) but bring on... pictures of cats and kittens? I'm all for more positive, sexy posts... but it would be nice they were still generally related to the site.

Points to ya for asking an honest question. As others have brought up, this nation decided some time ago that it wasn't just an estranged mass of individuals: we're a community, and have a collective responsibility to support one another. If someone is being beaten on the street, should I just walk by because self-defense is the victim's own responsibility? If I walk by a starving person, should I quietly congratulate myself on my own good fortune, or share my food? In Canada these things aren't left to individual whims, they're collective civic duties that we all support with our taxes. It's a defining feature of the nation. It got that way because at some point, a majority felt it was better to live together and help one another. The alternative is to live our lives fragmented down to strictly self-interested economic agents, each of us an island unto ourselves. As balances go between hyper-individualistic Libertarians ("Who is John Galt!?") and flat-out nobody-owns-anything-everybody-owns-everything Communists ("The state will wither away. We promise!"), I think Canada's approach is pretty darned good.

I completely agree. In spite of actual info out there too, there are a lot of people who seem very clueless about it all. There is a reason one of the highest group of people getting AIDS and other STDs in the past couple of years are seniors. There is a reason why one of the highest groups of infection of chlamydia is in 15-22 year olds. I am also a bit concerned about a POV where because a pill will fix it, it is OK lol. A pill can fix some STDs, but as a sex worker who depends on working or being available 7 days a week, how much time are you willing to take off it/when you do get something. I have no confidence that guys seeing escorts (or guys in general lol) are getting regular testing. I would be surprised if even half of them who see escorts have ever been tested in their lives, and of the half left over, they may have only been tested once after some kind of a scare. The reality is that sps on the receiving end, and due to sheer volume of visitors, are at much higher risk of contracting something than a client getting that bbbj from her. Testing in this case needs to be throat swabs. When is the last time you had one of those, during regular std checkups from the family doctor. The only defense sps really have is to provide services that increase their safety from stds, not give them more exposure to it lol. A decade ago, sps rarely offered anything GFE, guys wouldn't expect or ask for it. Many guys who've been doing this for a long time still won't partake in those activities. Bottom line is they may view escorts as being more prone to stds, but if they choose not to expose themselves, that is the best line of defense that they have for themselves. I think the OP should be left alone to bring up the subject. I also hope that she realizes that advertising can affect perception, and the use of certain terms when services that are associated with those terms are not provided is akin to false advertising. If you say "open minded", it means next to nothing, so guys will continue to ask if that means you offer kissing, daty, or bbbjs. Making ads with specific information will help resolve the issue and reduce the questions and requests.

HPV is not always curable and can not only lead to warts, but cancer of the jaw bone, penis, anus, vagina or cervix... other strains cause HIV-like symptoms. I know of a couple friends who have developed cervical cancer by contracting very serious strains of HPV. I thinks threads like this keeps popping up because people are forever being misinformed about things. Like HIV 'cures' in China or that you can't catch anything from bbbj... I'm always surprised at how little people seem to know about STDs/STIs.

In my mind, if you don't know their health status they may as well have an STD.

I have to disagree with you on this one, I'm afraid. If CERB's membership was constant and unchanging, and if we all had perfect memories, then I'd be right with you - but both SPs and hobbyists come and go, and even for those who have been around for a while a reminder of the potential pitfalls isn't necessarily a bad idea. If this thread makes someone, somewhere stop and think a little harder about what they're doing (or not doing), or if someone learns something from it, or if someone decides to go and find out more about something as a result of it, then I think it's been worthwhile. And I won't complain if it comes up again a few months down the road, for the same reasons; we'll have new members by then who won't have seen it before. Those who feel they have nothing further to learn are free to move along.

I believe in education so people understand the risks they are taking and how to protect themselves. I also believe that people make decisions that are best for themselves, and what they do with their own body is not up to us to judge. This might sound controversial, but I respect the seriousness of diseases like Hep C and HIV with their potential to severely impact your quality of life and ultimately take it. I don't see what the big deal is about herpes or any STI that is curable with antibiotics. 1/4 women have herpes, so can it really be that big of a deal? If you have to take antibiotics for a week for the equivalent or a common cold, is that really a big deal? I'm not trying to undermine our health here, but I just want to put things in perspective. I think herpes and curable STI's are stigmatized because they are sexually contracted. If they were contracted another way, I don't think it would be such a big deal. Also remember that most gents on this board being older than us received a pre-HIV/AIDS sexual education. We've received a post-HIV/AIDS sexual education. I have personally had only a handful of sexual partners and offer massage partly to reduce my risk of contracting an STI/STD. This is my choice, what works best for me. I respect the personal choices others make about their own body. No judgments here!

Not to be rude or anything, but there has been a couple of threads about this. I am sure people are aware of the risks now adays. There is also a chart of the common STI's and their risks. Maybe you should ask the Mod if you can gain access to the SP area and speak amoung the Ladies? Maybe others feel differently, but I dont think anyone has the right to preach about the right and wrongs in life. As for giving personal info about the lady you metioned without saying her name, I think that is best to keep to yourself. I am some people around you or that knwo you can out 2 and 2 together and figure out who she is. This board does not condone trash talk unless you have 100% proof, then I suggest you speak with the Mod and he can decide what to do from there. Here is the link to the STI chart and thread: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=34872&highlight=chart

November: I am not sure what you have found out so far, but from the information I have gathered is that medical services in community centres are indeed for people living in the catchment area. The rationale is that they want to have adequate services for the people of that area and if everyone from all over the city went there, they wouldn't be able to accommodate the populations as well. So yes, if you go to a medical clinic at a Community Centre, and you don't live in that area, you will be turned away. You would need to go to a walk-in clinic instead. For example, if you went to Sandy Hill Community Centre and tried to see one of their doctors in the clinic on the second floor, you would be turned away if you do not live in that area. However, downstairs on the lower level, there is another component to the Centre - the Oasis Program which is for people who are considered "high risk" such as people with HIV and drug users and sex workers. So if there are any ladies who wish to have confidential testing in a non-judgemental environment, you can contact them at 613-569-3488. They are located at 221 Nelson St. (at Rideau). When you walk in the front door, you take the stairs to the left which lead to the lower level. The hours are Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday from 1:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. Wednesdays are for ladies only with a drop-in from 3:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Free condoms and lube are also available here. This only intended for sex workers and "at high risk" people. However, on Fridays from 1 to 3 p.m. there is free HIV testing for anyone who needs it.

Truth is I am completely tired of the rhetoric, hyperbole and spin. No doubt the Conservatives made errors as did the previous Liberals. I am tired of American-style attack ads and those of you that promote Web sites such as one mentioned above are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Promote ethical and open dialog. Stand on what your candidate and party will do, not what the other guys did. Here's an example: Debates have become nothing more that speaking points and sound bites. During the debate both the Liberals and NDP rolled out grand plans that they would put into place during the next four years. When asked where the money comes from, they both indicated it would come from money saved by cancelling the F35 fighter acquisition. The only problem is this is money that would have not been spent for about 10 years down the road -- but most Canadians don't know that. Wonder why so many Canadians are apathetic about voting? There is no doubt the way the political campaigns are has a lot to do with it. Satin

I personally love the sexy, sluty office worker look;) Hair in bun, glasses, office skirt just a bit shorter than it should be, stockings, and a button up blouse...with one too many buttons undone, hehehe