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While I think this is an informative thread, I think it would be a good thread for the newbie section that is posted as a sticky at the top of this area. I think most guys who are seasoned or respectful hobbyists are already aware of the things you mentioned and I agree with you that there are others who will not follow suit. As an SP, I tend to take these things on a case by case basis. If I have to address a certain situation like an unhygenic client, I will find a method to do so without ruffling any feathers. It is unfortunate that people do not want to respect your rules or something that is considered the polite or right thing to do. There will always be clients like this and you just have to deal with it. While I understand your frustration and wanting to broach this subject, imo it would be an exercise in futility. Some will get it and others won't. Most men are respectful and considerate and others are just ignorant. This happens in any and every type of business. We as SPs are basically welcoming clients to visit us and in such an intimate way so it is up to us to make sure they repspect our wishes along with our boundaries. In a perfect world, we would all have good clients who are polite, hygenic, etc but we are dealing with all different types of personalities and vice versa. Over time an SP wil be able to adapt to various situations and handle them with ease. I used to be bothered by this sort of thing but I just deal with it when I need to and no longer sweat the small stuff. I can only control it to a certain degree. The reality is it comes with the territory. Life is too short.

Peachy, you are right. These are all common sense things anyone with any decency should be already doing and if they're not sure, they should ask about, but for some reason, a minority few will spoil it for others. I believe Cristy has just started recently contributing more to the board and she is perhaps unaware that this territory has been covered ad nauseum before, so I will say let's cut her a little slack for now. In my experience, the majority of guys are awesome and the rest, pay no mind. It doesn't matter much we remind them, there will always be guys not show up and if they do, they will be stinky or short of cash, etc. (the list goes on). That's the downside of the business for sure. But guess what there's an upside and we get paid a pretty good dollar for it as well. Here's how I look at. We can pick our own hours, set our own rates, agree to see whoever we want, and if we don't like them, guess what the good news is? WE NEVER HAVE TO SEE THEM AGAIN!!!! And if we do like them, and they like us, they will probably be back to see us and that's what motivates us to keep going. Try telling your boss in the straight world you don't like your co-worker, or even him or her for that matter, or that instead of coming in for 9:00 a.m, you'll see them at noon. Yes, no days will be bullshit-free, but things need to be nipped in the bud at the source and if those one or two slip past our radar, we deal with it and we move on. To post reminder threads is like making the whole class stay after school for that extra hour because of a couple of immature bullies who didn't behave. That will eventually build up resentment among the good guys who will ask why do we have to listen to this? Let's try to keep the board positive and friendly. Have a nice day all :)

Hmmmed and hawed over making this post but obviously decided to.Why? Because of some of the negative remarks I have heard guys making about ladies with implants, and to squash some of the misnomers,so I just wanted to clarify a few things,if you don't mind. Firstly,I hear all the time," they look to good to be real",an implant doesn't change the breasts appearence,it increases their volume,size.If they were pretty before they will be fuller and pretty afterwards,if they weren't"pretty" before they won't be afterwards,they will just be fuller. An implant will not lift the breast ,sometimes it can make them sag even more,because of the added weight,to address this problem,sagging, you would have to look at having a lift.They do feel and look real,in most cases,if the breasts afterwards feels hard thats scar tissue you are feeling ,not the implant,so calling them fake is unfair!The breasts are still real,flesh and blood, they just have an implant under or over the breast muscle!!So remember guys when you say her breasts look to good to be real,well they did before she got implants!!To all the implanted ladies lets celebrate our additions and to the guys and gals that call us "fake" you don't know what your missing till you try it,lol.If you have any questions about implants feel free to pm me.

Curious if any of you include your spouse in your interactions with a SP? I was trying to search this topic but to no avail so I am starting a thread :) I as a bi-woman love to be with a lady in front of my man. Extremely hot to have a menage a trois as a couple with a hot sexy lady. Hard to find the right girl so an accomodating SP is the right fit...of course not all SP's are into that either :( I have to research some of the ladies on here...oh and I love busty, the bustier the better....and thats coming from a woman ;) Cheers!

I just finished work and I am taking a week or more off from the rat race of my profession. I am kick starting a new part-time business this week, my second side business now which will mean more work ! but it is actually very exciting and a highlight. I have a date with a wonderful lady tomorrow and that is my biggest highlight and seems to have me sporting a Permagrin :D

There was another thread ( and a poll) on this subject a while ago. Here is the thread I found which could at least answer part of your answer - http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4985&highlight=poll&page=23

I realize that reviews and recommendations are different in both form and purpose. Having said that, though, the "don't post anything negative rule" here tends to work. It seems to me it works because this is a community with active participation. I look not just at recos, but at the number of recos and the consistency over time. Then I look at the lady's posts and albums to see if she seems like someone I'd be interested in meeting. All in all it works fairly well. I'd echo roamingguy's comment, I have yet to have a bad experience with any lady recommended on this board. With respect to other boards it often seems that there are far more over the top fabulous reviews, which I didn't find justified in the least, and other negative reviews which seemed mean spirited and motivated by spite. Sometimes I left seeing a lady scratching my head trying to square what I'd read with what I'd experienced. Others may disagree, and that's fine. But the reco system supported by active community participation seems to mean that, as a hobbyist, I have an excellent sense of what a session will be like.

Trying to give the abridged version. Installing a 100 lb. beam solo in a clients kitchen ceiling. Adjusting base of supporting post. Beam falls and drives my head into the floor. I don't think I was knocked out for long as the blood only really started to flow when I stood up trying to figure out what had just happened. My first thought was that I was going to make a big mess bleeding all over the house and how would I get it cleaned up before the owners returned. Fortunately I had put down lots of drop sheets. This happened just a year ago so I grabbed a chunk of snow and towel to make a tourniquet turban to try and slow the bleeding. My glasses were crushed under the beam but somehow I was lucky enough to call the contractor I was doing this work for and he sent someone over. My next thought was maybe I better clean myself up a bit in case this guy has not seen "Carrie" before. Sort of felt like Steve Buschemi in "Fargo ", when he's hiding the money, not the log chipper part. So instead of driving to the nearest hospital, I decided to go home first to get some spare specs and go to my more local hospital. Felt a little weird driving around in my bloody turban but in the end, my neighbour took me into emergency. Showing up looking like the winner in an axe fight (I assume loser is dead) moves you to the head of the line and in 3 hours and 5 staples and 1 CAT scan I was out of there. Just to avoid complications, I explained to admitting that a wall mounted speaker had fallen on my head. A big, wall mounted speaker. Maybe this wasn't the abridged version.

It strikes me that one of the issues is conflating commitment with sexual monogamy. Sexual monogamy has become defined as the single most important element of a relationship and the primary, if not only, indicator of commitment. It seems to me that there are so many other dimensions of commitment that this doesn't necessarily make sense. This is why to many of us seeing an escort is much more acceptable than an affair, precisely because the affair raises the possibility of undermining so many more elements of the relationship, whereas a visit with your SP can more easily be limited to the physical dimension. Porthos

Gosh I may be a testament to Sophie's post in that it was posted back in February and I just discovered it today. Good thread Sophie. I do not consider myself a frequent poster (medium at best with about 70 in a year and a half). I tend to pay attention to the "General Discussion all of Canada" area and have not taken much notice of the NB discussion area. My bad perhaps! I agree with all the comments that say we are a small market. As well, we are probably an eclectic group of hobbyists, with a variety of personalities and desires. There is not much we can do about that, and do not see much point in beating ourselves up about it. What we can do is make it as attractive as possible for the ladies who want to work here, whether they be travelling or local. We can only do that by being the best clients we can possibly be and CERB is invaluable in showing us the way. That does not mean willfully accepting sub-par service. Perhaps it is a "chicken" or "egg" kind of question. Which comes first, quality providers or a quality clientele? The laws of supply and demand would suggest quality providers will find their way to a quality market. In a small market it has to be the quality clientele that comes first. I do not know if that helps, hinders, or ads anything at all to the discussion. I feel very fortunate because, small market or not, I have met, and continue to meet wonderful ladies.

Well said Ang, AND Peachy. Most who come here know the basics of decency and respect. Although occasionally a gentle reminder is not a bad thing, as we keep responding, we put it out there again and again, so it SEEMS like we're being beaten over the head with it......................DOH!!!!! It seems I just beat myself over the head.

Ariel Ariel arrived all smiles and seemed genuinely happy to drop by for a visit, both the first and second visits I've had with her. After a brief introductory chat we adjourned to more a comfortable location. I was happy to see that the posted photos we accurate and if anything she's a little trimmer than the photo's imply. She has a great soft, sensual but firm athletic physique of an 18 year old athlete (which she was). We started exploring each other, discovering each others likes and dislikes and since she's a little ticklish, I had to be careful (women laughing while in compromising situations can be disconcerting :icon_wink: ). She loves to caress and be caressed, nibbled on, teased, and grabs ears. While GFE is on the menu she's not too much of a kisser but as always YMMV. She's very energetic while engaged in activities and enjoys giving as much as receiving. Overall our sessions have been very satisfying for both of us. Ariel takes good care of herself, clean, minimal scents, and her bouquet and taste from head to toe is great. She likes the standard fare and is open minded to trying some new things, but to find out the nitty-gritty you'll have to have that discussion with her yourself.

Welcome to Cerb, we do our best to be friendly and helpful. We are like a family that fights from time to time but this is a great street to live on. :icon_smile: You will always find a cup of sugar, litre of milk or whatever you may need. Just ask, have fun!!

The first thing I thought of when I saw this thread was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv343ai0EfA The second thing I thought was, you guys aren't the only ones who get shy. ;) Call it shyness, performance anxiety, or stage fright- all of a sudden you find yourself faced with this other dynamic, real, and very 3D human being- things were easy on paper (on screen, over the phone), but this is rather different. Will we click? Is my sense of humour too wacky? Is my timing all wrong? I have these thoughts too! But that's what I find exciting. Left alone with an unknown variable, what kind of fun can we dream up? You mention 'form'. But is there not something quite exciting about the formlessness and novelty of a new relationship? (And it is a relationship.) What will they say next? What shall I respond? To me, form implies predictability. You're hoping for a certain standard of 'performance', I gather. But is it really so terrible if you don't meet those expectations? It provides the opportunity to come up with something new. Chemistry will always be unknown before the first meeting. All we can do is give it our best effort and hope our partner will be able to meet us where we're at. Sometimes it may take a few attempts before we really get into a groove that gets us both going. This is a natural process. Shyness is just uncertainty. And I think uncertainty can hold a lot of promise.

I have referred MANY of my clients that I have met from other advertising sites to CERB & COWBOYS DIARY!!! The way it usually comes up is because, when we meet, they are always so surprised at how nice I am (seriously...) that I do not rush them or act grumpy. and that I give them a feel that they are wanted and valued...They usually explain that they are shocked due to the bad encounters that they have experienced!! I always take the time to explain to them that CERB is the place to be be because: 1. It's moderated, NO BULL SHIT..and if there is , they are OUT!!! 2. ONLY positive feedback...:-D 3. The ladies on here are honest, truthful and are looking to keep their clients happy & returning for more ;-) 4. Sometimes easier to research, get a better feel of the lady by viewing her posts.. And I tell em about the cowboys diary because this way they can be aware of who to avoid!! :butt: I have even made it a point to tell some over the telephone when they call me, if I have a feel that I may not be their type or they have concerns with their personal safety from past experiences, again I refer them to these sites.:cool: Unfortunately, many of the other advertising places are full of B.S. scams, & baiting & switching, so I like to warn as many as I can. I HATE, HATE, HATE the fools that rip guys off, try to trick them or are just simply full of shit, ( especially the bait & switch stuff...) they eff it up for the genuine sp's. I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE EXPOSED FOR ALL TO SEE ON THE cowboy's diary!!!! :-D CERB is the place to be...nowhere is perfect..but this place has a much higher rate of pleasure, satisfaction & happiness all around than anywhere else!! I think it is beneficial to EVERYONE to indicate these sites to as many as possible!!!

You do not need to join the board to use it. cerb allows for guest/anonymous browsing. On most nights guest out number registered members.

I have read the entire thread and I have to agree with Mod on this. I have just celebrated my 25th anniversary in this in industry and I have seen monumental changes across the spectrum. The internet has revolutionized an ancient industry in many positive ways and some not so positive. I understand why SPs choose to advertise on free sites. We run a tight bottom line and have to maximize our opportunities to make a living. We have to pay the bills. That said, I see CL is personally beneficial, but I feel it is not industry beneficial. The big box store is a great analogy and we all know that those stores are wiping out our small retailers. I shop at Walmart but only when it is a last resort. I prefer dealing with stores that are owned and operated by people like me, people who care about their customers. I want them to know my name and exchange pleasantries while they check me out. I want to deal with people who treat their employees fairly and realize their staff is the most precious asset of their business. I want to patronize establishments that strive each and every day to keep my business and value my presence as a customer. Taking an ethical stand takes backbone. Doing the right thing often isn't easy because it usually requires personal sacrifice, which most people are unwilling to do. Mod did not say to only use CERB for advertising, only that supporting CL is detrimental in this industry because of the fundamental flaw of being unmoderated. It's the Wild West of the SP advertising world. While it's true you can't let a few bad apples spoil the barrel, what if the barrel is full of rotting fruit? Is it worth picking thru the decaying mess to find the one good one at the bottom of the barrel when you could pick one off the tree? If they made it a paid site and moderated it perhaps I would reconsider my opinion of it. At this point, its a rotting messy barrel I'm not willing to stick my arm into. cat

I know that ladies advertise over there on CL. All I got to say, I would be going "back in time" visiting local newspaper ad's,or any other form of advertisement that is free such as CL,Quest,or what have you. But if the time ever comes that I would not see EC or CERB, I would honestly simply quit. I have at hand the most greatest tool right here as I'm writing this thread at hand,to check schedules,meet ladies without going through all the hoops and bullshit. How would you like to walk into a room with an underage lady? The scams are quite alive on that site,and I choose to not go on that site period, again that is my choice only. As it is some of the ladies choice to advertise there. The fundamental issue at hand is the "yes" ladies need clientele from other sources,but "think about it" if this site was gone,or in fact EC was gone too? Just how many gents would you loose over that time period. Food for thought....eh? Additional Comments: I don't think MOD was berating anyone, perhaps I would view as a gesture asking why? If you have good here,or marketing campaign perhaps,but not berating anyone. In my humble opinion.