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When my children were small and I had custody of 6 children under the age of 8, my husband and I made a combined income of $21 600 annually. I don't know if we qualified for welfare as it never occured to me to ask for it. Fast forward a decade and I was deported to Canada with nothing but a box of books, a track suit with runners, $23 and toothbrush. I lived on the street for about 2 months then got my car from the US and lived in it for 6 months. This time I considered asking for help but decided against it. I did what I had to do to put a roof over my head and move on. During my 8 months I met a variety of people that to this day I am in awe of. Before I had my car, the kids on the streets of Ottawa watched my back. They gave me a coat, fed me at times and sometimes offered me sanctuary with them at night when I had no where else to go. This was where I learned about homeless dogs. Once I had my car, I had somewhere to sleep but often had to choose between gas and food. People with almost nothing shared what they had with me. I hung out in the St.Laurent/Donald St area and I was welcomed to eat with people who obviously were on assistance by what they put on the table. I made friends and I was amazed at their willingness to help me when they had so little. I still keep in touch with some of these people, the ones who have hung on to my phone number and they know if they ever need me, I'm there. Are there people who milk the system? Perhaps but I will not stand in judgment as I know looks are deceiving. People meet me all the time and assume I am well set. Little do they know that the label clothing is all from thrift stores and my entire apartment was furnished with used everything. I have times when I struggle to cover the basics and the rest of the time, I make ends meet. My life isn't easy even tho many people think so. Until I have the power to walk in someone elses shoes, I will not be so grand as to think I know or understand their struggles and I will not assume someone is a parasite until I have complete information to make that kind of decision. It's easy to sit in front of our computers and discuss with distain those that need the safety nets we as a country have chosen to provide. It's harder to try to understand or even show trace empathy for those need help. No system is perfect but I'm glad we have what we do... cat

This is really contested subject because of complexities of it all. However, I don't believe that people choose to live on social assistance because in Ontario that is just not doable (you get around 350-400 for rent and the rest of the money which is around 200-300 for groceries, etc). A place (even just a room) for 250-400 does not exist, especially in London. Also, since most months average about 3-4 weeks and to have only 100/week to spend on groceries, public transportation, and other items one may need (medication, emergency money), 350-400 is just not enough to last for the month. Again, this amount mentioned is just for single people with no dependents and with no medical illnesses including addiction, mental health issues, which may or may not develop after experiencing these life changing situations and challenges. Also, once someone who is on social assistance is able to find a job, half of every dollar earned will be deducted while on social assistance (and that's if one finds a job.. remember employment rates, especially in London, have been rising or have made no change over the last year). So that means, one cannot even save money once on social assistance in order to get off of social assistance. In addition to the problem with unemployment rates, the actual amount received by those on social assistance is below the low income cut off rate (meaning, these people earn less than those who are considered to be on the lowest end of the poverty scale). Then on top of this, in order to qualify for social assistance, you cannot own a house, own a car, have no amount of money in savings, and have no credit, so this idea that these programs are there for individuals who just need "a bit of help" to get back on their feet is wrong--one does not receive social assistance unless they are literally below the lowest, as indicated earlier, on the lowest income cut off scale, and in dire need of assistance, are homeless or already experiencing homelessness. Then there are a bunch of other factors on who is able to access programs or who can qualify for other programs that are there to help individuals and families. Factors that are not always readily apparent. To the OP: I appreciate your concern and rant. It can be frustrating to see this happening but I believe actually understanding the entire picture of social assistance and how it works, who can actually get it, and how does one get off of it (which is like never because I indicated earlier that one cannot even have credit, money in savings, or save money to help get off of social assistance) may help with understanding the greater issue. I also can't see how or why some people would enjoy living on social assistance since it is about the demeaning thing in the world because it is a very intrusive system: having to show how poor your are, or how homeless you are. So I find it very hard to believe that some people "enjoy" living month to month on a one-time pay cheque. Yet, that is just my personal opinion. And I commend Cat for sharing her courageous story! You, like many others here, are an amazing person, inside and out :) Xo Here is an interesting blog post on this subject http://blog.211ontario.ca/2011/07/understanding-homelessness-in-ontario/ and the fellow mentioned in this subject does a lot of great work for advocating for those experiencing homelessness or who are homeless in London :)

I just got accepted to York University's Master's program in Women, Feminist and Gender Studies for September 2013!!!! Highlight of the day? More like highlight of the year! I AM SO EXCITED I COULD BURST. When I called my parents to tell them, I was crying with joy. I kid you not. My mom was like, why are you crying and I was like, BECAUSE I'M SO HAPPY!

Dude. You'd be creating a situation where you exert power over her, and she's required to have sex with you according to a schedule or else you can threaten to take away her home. It wouldn't matter that you'd found someone foolish enough to sign such an agreement on some particularly dark day. What happens when she changes her mind about the service? What if you no longer "like" her? She has to leave her home because she's not servicing you? And what if she was so desperate that she had nowhere else to go and is afraid to say "no" or she'll be kicked out; she's now your monthly sex slave? Do not do this. Do not even consider putting another person in such a horrible situation. Additional Comments: Oh for fuck's sake.

There's of course no one blanket answer to the whole problem of people dependent upon assistance. Let's at least start by recognizing that there are many groups here: a) Yeah sure, those who are dependent on social assistance and wouldn't change even if they could. These are the folks that people talk about 'til their head bursts and who give the system a bad name. Then again -- capitalism, baby! Make the minimum investment for maximum possible return and screw everyone else and any sense of a larger duty to the society around you. Aren't these people doing exactly what our greed-based economy teaches them to do, and what we reward corporations for doing all the time? b) A set of people who are dependent and would like to escape, but don't know how and have no examples to follow; also, those who don't have the personal, internal intellectual or emotional resources to change. We need programs to reach out to these people and offer a path to better themselves. I personally think this accounts for a very large segment indeed. We who function in society forget how intimidating it is, and how insurmountable its minimum demands can seem when they've been outside your reach your entire life. c) The set of people who are capable of change, but whose circumstances prevent it. As an example: divorced single parents now struggling to care for kids they had in better times, and for whom jobs are unmanageable because they would cost more than they would bring in (daycare costs, transportation, a long series of things impossible to manage when you're isolated). There are people who manage to rise out of these circumstances despite the difficulties, and that's awesome. My own family worked hard to overcome humble beginnings. But let's not be too quick to judge those who are still struggling with the challenge. And when we're tempted to ask "gawd, how can they continue to live such tragic and unfulfilled lives?", maybe we should also ask: how do some people linger so long in sexless or loveless marriages? Financial self-neglect; emotional self-neglect. See, sometimes change is too terrifying, or the expected financial or social cost of change just seems too high. People get paralyzed in bad circumstances all the time. I try not to judge either case. As black and white as it looks from the outside, we just don't know all the circumstances. Who'll cast the first stone?

Cristy, I do not want to start an argument or fight with you but I have to say a a few things. As far as your comment regarding welfare recipients driving escalades, that is so ridiculous. I'm not saying that the statement is false because whoever is driving that escalade is either supplementing their income from some other illegal activity or it is someone who was doing very well in life and has fell hard and fast. To suggest that someone can afford an escalade on social assistance is just so ridiculous I can't find words for it. My guess is that you heard a story about someone who's probably getting welfare illegally and you blanket the whole community with the story of this person (or people) who scam the welfare system, it is not the majority I assure you. You're sadly misinformed, do some research and see what a single person or mother of 1,2,3 make on welfare, it's not a lot. Don't waste your time being angry at or envying the people on welfare. Couple other things, I agree we are all judgemental but I also believe your post was judgmental, it was like the first post that followed said, a rant. You're entitled to your opinion but just call it what it was. Additional Comments: RIGHT!!! But....you're blanketing the entire community with the actions of some criminals. In my opinion that is wrong. There are bad cops, bad lawyers, bad doctors. There are scumbags in every part of society, I just think it's wrong to judge the entire welfare community by the actions of these criminals. So are you saying that 65%(not a chance) of the community Emily lives in are living extravagantly? People who legally and legitimately live on welfare live below the poverty line. That is a fact!

Frankly I support the concept of a guaranteed annual income. Every person starting at age 16 receives x amount of money on January 1 of the each year. Not a pittance but not a bazillion dollars either, each year a calculation would be made to set that number. Enough to live on but that would be all, no EI, or welfare, no other assistance of any kind. There would be no tax exemptions but there would be no income tax on this amount and no means test to qualify. Those who chose to earn more would not be penalized and would still receive the guarantee. By eliminating all the government departments, agencies and NGO's that oversee the current social programming municipally, provincially and federally I'm pretty sure I would have plenty of dough to pay for it.....and more. Seems simple to me.....but then again maybe it's me who's simple :) Peace MG

Thanks for sharing Cat. It was informative to read your experience If you don't mind me asking: Why did you decide against asking for help? Would you have asked for government assistance if you knew it would take 8 months to get off the street? --- It's interesting to read your story and contrast it to my dad. He was a refugee of war. Homeless and with a bag of a few things, he sold everything except the clothes he wore. He was responsible for two of his sisters and baby brother, and worked bizarrely odd jobs to get them into this "house". This was a third world country, so social services were non-existent, but he did sometimes eat in mosques and churches when there was food. He got his break when he became a tea-boy (chai-wala) for a cement factory, where the plant manager admired his work ethics. After three years working there, and doing every job he could find to possibly rise up the ranks, the manager recommended he apply for a job in another country; another very entry level position, but she thought it would be the best thing for his life. He rose through the ranks of this conglomerate (can't say what it is for privacy) and almost reached the very top before he retired well before 65. I was born when things started to turn around for my parents, so I never knew that life. But while I usually take a softer approach to welfare and social assistance, my dad is much more 'conservative' (if that is the right word). His reason is the experience that defined his career (if he could do it, why can no one else). He considers himself of average intelligence, with no particular talent that sets him apart. But he throws everything he has on whatever task he sets his mind to. To him, absolute sacrifice, humility, and hard work is required before help is given in situations of poverty. Anything less shows a lack of dedication to see it through. I'm not advocating that his position on the matter is correct, or challenging the basis of anyone's values. It's just been enlightening to see people come from poverty to have wildly different views on the subject.

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It's something I've never understood and I've learned that asking "Why do people ________?" questions is a waste of my time and energy. I leave answering the unanswerable for those who must have a better understanding than I about the workings of the human mind. The only thing I allow myself to get frustrated about is when I DROP THE BALL. It's the only thing I truly have control over. As for the homeless owning dogs, I feel very differently than Emily. The most balanced and stable dogs I've ever met belonged to the homeless. Dogs don't need fancy coats or fancy food. They are not status symbols or a child. They need a pack, they need to move, they need to know what their leader expects of them and they need to know their leader will provide. Hunger isn't a prevailing concern for dogs, instinctively they need to be hungry for most of the day. I've seen homeless people feed their dogs before they eat which is a level of committment that most pet owners don't have. They don't need a consistently warm environment, they are designed to live outside. They don't need a sterile environment, they have an admirable immunity built in. They don't need store bought toys unless they are bored which homeless dogs never are. Compared to the city dog owners I have met, I would give a dog to a homeless person before the typical pet owner, myself included... cat

I haven't wrote anything like this since high school. This is a poem I wrote the other night. I am curious what people are going to think its got a hidden twist. TORN I long for you every day and night. As I gaze into your eyes I see the light. I realize I Cannot be with you cause it ain't right. Flirting with you is a dangerous game, For I don't know if you feel the same. I'm tired of living life in vain. My desire for you grows strong. You are my salvation I crave for so long. I just don't know that we belong. Even though you're my fantasy. I know I cannot let it become reality. Society would not accept another casualty. You've cost me everything. But without I'm nothing. In the end I'm still hurting. I see other woman to help forget. So please don't object. I haven't met anyone yet. I cannot speak your name. People will think I'm insane. You're my only thoughts in my brain.

And I don't just mean more reviews and advertisers--but of course that would be welcome! I wish for a Cerb-perspective on the Montreal scene. I just find the atmosphere here so much more pleasant than the other boards that cover Montreal and Quebec City. The Green Board is like a grim prison movie: it's jam-packed with characters, but really run by couple different gangs with long scores to settle. The "guards" are swift and severe, but there's still tons of violence that gets out of hand way too fast and there's plenty of outright misogyny toward the handful of women brave enough to maintain a public presence there. The Blue Board is like a Michael Moore movie: they hate the green board and that's really all that is important. The Pink Board is in French, so it's easy to say it's like a Foreign Movie in that I'm not exactly sure what is going on, but there's likely to be some toplessness, a trip to a rustic summer home, and the villain from "Quantum of Solace will probably show up at some point. Hmm, maybe I sacrificed my metaphor for a few cheap jokes there. Anyway, for a lot of reasons Montreal is my preferred destination, but this my preferred board.

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Why don't you conventionally rent out the room to a conventional tenant Use your rental income to partake in this lifestyle This idea sounds bad. If the SP has to find a incall location since she can't use the condo , then she leaves the condo, (her "home" btw) to conduct business...remember, this for guys is an escape, but for the ladies, it is their livelihood, their work. Now everyone needs a place to go, a place they call home, to escape work and the outside world. Your proposed arrangement means for the lady who would accept it, when she is out she is likely practicing her profession. But when she comes to her so called "home" to her room in this condo, she needs to still be an SP, or risk being evicted (that's something nice hanging over her head always) so she has no escape from her working world Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like you want a sexual partner you can control and she is completely dependent on you My vote, don't RG

Darling, if you want to live with a woman, get a bit of sex from her and officialize this with a contract, might as well just get married...joke joke! ;b But honestly, what if she doesn't respect the terms of your contract? Good luck fighting that in court...Don't forget that she would be considered as a tenant and therefore would have rights.

I'm sure with the right SP it could be an excellent arrangement but you need to find someone who is trustworthy, honors her word, responsible and appreciative of the opportunity. If you find a girl like this, chances are she can put a roof over her head on her own. The girls that this offer would attract would be more trouble than convenient. At $250 a session that would mean she's paying $1000 to $1250 a month depending, she could rent her own place for less and not have a man have a key which allows him to walk in anytime. Our living space is our sanctuary and needs to be a soft, safe place to land after a bad day. She would infact be sharing her space with you even if you don't live there. Again, a woman with the characteristics I've listed above would hesitate to place herself in this kind of arrangement with an unknown man. The two of you would need to have an excellent relationship before hand if you expect her to trust you enough to follow thru with this... cat

Danger Will Robinson, DANGER... cat

No problem at all Cristy. You seem like a lovely, thoughtful and intelligent woman. Truth be told, it makes me very sad to hear that you feel that way. It's not uncommon though. I think many people have gone through their lives being taken advantage of or treated poorly or just seen too much suffering. You start to feel that everyone has an angle or and ulterior motive or is just trying to get something from you. Perhaps I'm naive for a man my age but as someone who likes to help others and always assumes the best of people, it still affects me deeply when my good intentions are questioned. I understand how people who have been used in the past might feel that way but it's painful to be painted by the same brush. Perhaps that's why I'm so careful not to make generalizations about groups of people. I wouldn't want to do that to someone else either.

Thank you for your kind words. If I read them thru my natural filter, they seem complimentary and genuine. If I choose to read them thru a jade hued filter where people are dishonest and untrustworthy, they would seem like smoke being blown up my ass which is a fetish I charge a substantial extra fee for. Those who know me will know which filter I truly use. That said... I do not see how anyone can know what is in another's heart and mind therefore I cannot presume I'm in a position to judge them. Perhaps if it was a situation I had knowledge of all the details of the abuse, I may feel differently but having been painted several times in my life with a wide paintbrush I have learned that I didn't like it done to me, I won't do it someone else. You must personally harm me before I come out swinging, I won't take shots at people I don't know or assume I know the right thing for them to do. That's why we have legislation. It isn't perfect but it's better than the alternative. I have yet to meet a person breathing that hasn't encountered strife, abuse or difficulties. No life is without it on this planet... cat

Peace not war bro!

We all collectively pay through taxes to have roads fixed, medical care covered and our homes protected by police etc. They aren't just your problems, or my problems, they are problems everyone could have RG

Sure... Recycling is not only good for the environment but it is economical both personally and for your municipality and oh so easy to do. As for pets...if you can't afford to treat them as well as you treat yourself then you shouldn't have one. As for kids, unless you are financially and mentally stable enough to commit for a life time then buy a doll. Yeah, in a mood lol.

I believe it's a mistake to conflate socialism and communism. We enjoy many forms of socialism in this country. "Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest." -Cardinal Roger Mahony Broken states like Somalia are examples of places where power and money rule and all are left to their own devices. We are a rich society. I don't begrudge anyone the basics of life. Providing essentials to prevent those less fortunate from starving or dying of easily curable diseases doesn't disincent the majority of people from working hard. It's just basic human decency to want to take care of those in need. I have pity for the homeless and sick. I don't want to see anyone suffer. I recognize that some 'take advantage' of my good will but it's a price I'm willing to pay to live in a society where all have a chance. If you're successful in our society it's because you took advantage of many forms of public infrastructure like roads, schools, hospitals, water and electricity. As Obama said, "You didn't build this." So why would you then turn and begrudge others the same advantages that you had? Seems selfish.

I guess that's a little off-topic but the segue was started above. WRT responsibility, the older I get, the less equipped I feel to judge anyone else. I don't know what someones life has been like, what tools they have at their disposal, what their upbringing has been. The argument can be applied to many things. "You're fat, why don't you just lose weight." "You're poor, why don't you make more money?" "You're homeless, why don't you get a job?" I think that a lot of us are born on third base thinking we've hit a triple. If we grew up in a shitty third world country, malnourished and under-educated, would we be successful? Is there something inherently better, more noble, more complete in us than in other humans? Or are we just more advantaged? We grew up with health care, education, hopefully parents who gave a shit, public infrastructure, clean water, enough food, etc. Things that took generations to build by our ancestors. There is a third world hidden in the first world. It's in native reserves, poor drug infested neighborhoods, abusive homes. We just don't see it as clearly. "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Sir Isaac Newton

You need to book a duo with ladies who have a connection with one another and with you. Nothing worse than a third wheel in the room. Everyone seeks something different in a duo, and what was great for one person may not be the experience that you are looking for, for yourself. So do your research. Book a lady you already enjoy spending time with, ask her who she enjoys working with and go from there, when you book with 2 ladies that you have never met - you are asking for a disaster.

Not to hijack this thread but vanilla isn't necessarily boring...at least for me it isn't. I enjoy female companionship and receive it here. And remember, Baskin and Robbins serves lots of flavours...including vanilla Don't worry about stepping up your game, if you and the lady are content in your encounters, that's what matters, not what others may be doing Now back to the thread :-) RG

I totally agree, if you go to any sugar daddy site you will recognize many ladies who are current or former SPs and this arrangement is very common in that kind of relationship. You cannot dictate the sex life of your sugar baby so why not make an SP your sugar baby knowing that she wouldn't be using your apartment for work and you don't have to pay too much cause she is completely dependent on you.

Speaking from experience, I know when I first started in the hobby, I found it very difficult to pick up the phone and call a service provider. Being a bit shy, it often took me a while to build up the courage to take that first step. Once I discovered CERB, it was a lot easier - I could use a PM to make that first contact and have a bit of back-and-forth correspondence with a lady. Sometimes it leads to an encounter, sometimes it doesnt. But it should still be polite and friendly. I'm thinking some of these one-liners might be on the shy side, and unsure what to say or how to open up the lines of communication. "Hi" might be all they can manage with the first contact. That being said, those that send out the "Available? Rate? Location?" texts or PMs simply lack class and respect! It's so easy to read a lady's ad, profile and/or website, find their preferred means of communicating, and touch base accordingly.

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I think part of the problem was that they wouldn't say where they had disposed of the cigarrette butts. Given the potential fire risk, they had to land to deal with it. I can only imagine how pissed off I'd be if my vacation was cut short by a day or two by assholes like that!

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I will never judge someone on social assistance. So they are wearing a designer label. Maybe they got it at good will, maybe it was a gift. I have better things to do than worry about whether they --really-- deserve social assistance. When it comes to discussions like these, things are more complicated than X deserves it, Y does not.

I don't mind you asking... I didn't ask because I couldn't ask. I was deported without identification thus a non entity. I wasn't walking into any government office in the event they took me back into custody because I couldn't prove who I was. Many of the issues I had in the US were fabricated so I wasn't going to take any chances here. I didn't have an address to have my birth certificate mailed to so it took close to a year before I was legitimized. I drove my car without a drivers license, thank goodness I was never stopped. Today I realize I would not have asked for help because I was traumatized when I returned. I was afraid of all forms of government and I have always struggled with asking for help from anyone. Not that I have ever trusted government but after a 4 year tussle with the US Feds, I still have physical reactions when I have to deal with any gov't official. 8 months on the streets isn't very long and it was a delicious form of freedom after what I had been thru. I'll take cold and hungry on the street over cold and hungry in a 4 by 8 any day... cat

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Let me rephrase this (As I mistyped what I meant to phrase), as I am a downtown dweller and not a suburban type of person, 65% of the people in the area of the city in which I live in, which can be referred to as downtown is on welfare or some form of social assistance (this does not take in effect, east , west, north, south or out lying areas). This sounds high, but if one took a poll on how many were on assistance in the projects in Toronto (or similar cities), it would be higher. Im not judging the entire community on welfare, (there are people who need it and have no other option) these people use welfare as a last resort not as a means to a lifestyle. It takes a bigger person to admit they need help. It may not look like a lot of money, and in fact is not to those who DO NEED it, but there are FAR too many milking the system.

Thank you Fred. This is a discussion not an argument so all points of view are welcome. So we should be able to openly and in a friendly manner discuss without calling out posts or statements as ridiculous, wrong or misguided. I am speaking from experience and yes, about those who are supplementing their income. That is perfectly clear in the initial post. Wether or not you believe it is your choice. I am also very well aware of what one gets when on welfare and what they pay for their public housing. It is maddening especiaslly when some of these mothers move in there employed bf's and work a job under the table to support their 1,2,and 3 kids.Yes this to may be ridiculous in your mind but it happpens alot and often. Please inform us also how you know Emily's if statistics are wrong. I will also add I don't think Lee's statement was a blanket one he was speaking of those-remember-those- who take advantage of the systems. Welfare and unemployment-these are the systems that are spoken of in this thread. I don't remember anyone saying the whole system or all it's recipients. I mean we all can elaborate and include other systems, sectors and occupations. But that is not the point of this thread nor was it for me to judge. When I ask someone why it's is because I want to know or want an explanation-to understand. But if you see it as judging so be it. You are as we all are entitled to your opinion.

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Great post...and topic.... I agree wholeheartedly with what you have to say. i relocated almost 2 years ago to a city where 65% of people are on social assistance and they live for cheque day. There is a newspaper full of decent jobs (I know as I have looked). I dont understand it no matter how I try to process the train of thought that these people have. One of the main reasons this is such a trend, is that they are 2nd or 3rd generation social assistance receivers. They figure if they were raised ok on it, why not keep it up. Plus they see $$$ when they find out they get more money a month for each child they have. Goverment assistance is there for a short term fix, not as a lifestyle. It REALLY sickens me. In my building I am the ONLY person not on assistance, yet some of the other tenants live a more extravagant lifestyle than I do.....How is that possible? I was in the bank at home last week, I was the ONLY person in line not cashing a government cheque. I was raised to always want better for myself and my family, and I just could not subject myself to ever take a handout from the government day in and day out for the remainder of my life. After seeing how the other half lives for the last almost 2 years it sickens me. The fact that people are content with just getting by and not wanting better for themselves is a big part of the downward spiral. Better yet, how about the homeless people with pets? WTF you cant care for yourself so you decide to make an animals life miserable too?

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On both nights last weekend, the sky was clear, the atmosphere was steady and the moon was nowhere in sight. This made for fantastic naked eye and binocular viewing. Jupiter was blindingly bright and it's moons were shining like jewels. Under dark skies, with the naked eye one could see the Andromeda galaxy and the Orion nebula and with binoculars one could see the reflected blue haze from the dust around the hot, blue, seven sisters in the Pleiades star cluster. This coming weekend could be another great chance to witness these amazing wonders. If you don't know where to look, you can download a free astronomy app for your phone or tablet and you'll learn to find these lovely winter marvels in no time. bk

Are we seriously on this topic again? Ladies and gentlemen, CLEAN YOURSELVES!!! If you have an appointment, whether hobbiest, sp or ma, clean yourselves properly please so we don't have to keep bringing this bloody well up!!!

Well, I can only speak for myself, not all SPs (though I do feel positively about a generalized consensus on this one!)... Yes, yes we do. I mean, keeping to the same comparison mentioned previously; a chef doesn't become one because he thinks cooking is an awful chore...he feels passionately about it, is constantly looking for ways to improve his skills and knowledge, and loves what he does. I don't think any less can be said about myself and the other wonderful ladies here on cerb (and some who aren't here too!) in regards to our profession. Not to mention the "don't talk about it too much" psyche of an SP, what this may or may not do to affect her inner being over time. Let's face it, sex only for money would probably lead to some bad mental stuff faster and easier...We might need an occasional physical escape of the mental plagues we suffer. Again, not speaking for everyone, only myself when I say I need non-work-related-sex to keep my sanity!

If you are a cop Meaghan ..... not that I would ever ask....but if I can come see you would dress like this please ?? ;)

The reason for paying for date (and I pay for date and sex may or may not come with it) is not only limited to lack of ability to find date or get laid. They could be many other reasons like 1-someone maybe too pre-occupied with work and life who as a result may not have time to invest in finding dates though may have good looks and the ability to do so, 2-One may hobby for variety to see different ladies of different looks and ages and races and cultures and enjoy life to the fullest. 3- Or it may be because in his middle age it may be relatively difficult to socialize with ladies half his age in early 20's and go out with them in public for romance. 4 - Or maybe in an unhappy relationship and one who needs to get what he cannot get from that relationship. 5 - To deal with dialy stress of work and life. 6 - some or all of above. There are many reasons some of which may not be a failure on hobbyist part So no reason to feel bad about hobbying.

Ok...thanks. I have a better understanding now & I do agree 100%. You ladies are great!!

.. Or even worse when some guys cant even say hello but just send a one liner like "Available? Rate? Location?" Please, guys, make a full sentence! lol ;)

I'm young, and naive, and I believe in love. Just not the Hollywood notion of it. I think there are tons of factors today that make for an unsuccessful marriage. Cohabitation prior to marriage in my humble opinion is one of them. Of all my friends, and everyone else I know who've opted for this, the top two reasons I hear are "Save money" and "test the waters". Moving in with someone is massive, and doing so for financial reasons, or just because it's convinient seems like they're just rushing along before their heart's really in it. And the whole test the waters notion is completely foreign to me. I can't imagine anyone (with the exception of extreme cases) finding out that the love of their life is intolerable to live with. I believe that if you love someone, they will have some bad, oh so annoying habits. He may snore, she may leave tons of hair at the bottom of the shower drain, no big deal. It's not to say that they aren't a few exceptions to this, I've seen some, but it's rare. I just feel that marriage should have some privileges, some amazing rights that I am not able to experience prior to it. Being able to wake up in the morning every day, or hold her in my arms every night, that's what I want when I'm married. And a lot more. A lot of my clients say the same thing after getting married - they feel the exact same, no big difference, and the honeymoon was awesome. There is no new phase, annoying habits will remain, except instead of working together committed to a life together and working it all out, they have come to tolerate them. However, I'm only speaking of what I've seen oh so many times, not personal experience. But I'll say it again, I believe in love. I see my parents, and their cute little habits, how my mom stays quiet when my dad goes on his droning about something insanely insignificant, or my dad listens, and does everything my mom says when she goes on a cleaning/gardening rampage. They don't say "I love you", they don't need to. They call each other in the middle of the day at work, constantly offer to do the dishes so the other can sit down and relax. Not always grand or public gestures of love, just a constant, steady stream of seemingly insignificant moments - That's love to me.

I have to admit I have done it and I find it pretty cool, kinky, hot...whatever you want to call it. It is amazing what you may enjoy if you just give in and try something new on occasion. Forget about what "society" may say and ignore pre-conceived notions and just do it! I mean who is going to know? After all isn't trying new things sexually part of, if not the entire reason why we are all here?