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Yep, the C-word. We hear it all the time; that it's a cure-all for interpersonal issues. As an SP, I communicate as clearly as possible in my ads, website and interactions so there is no misinformation and are no misunderstandings. My responsibility is to communicate, either written or verbal, effectively, clearly, and honestly. That's on me. Reading things thoroughly, and asking for clarification before making an assumption.... that's on you. Caveat emptor, buyer beware. Being aware means being informed. It takes time to inform yourself, and effort. Yes, a lot of the time seeing an SP is more-or-less on impulse. But that doesn't mean you can't take the time to familiarize yourself with that lady. Her services, her booking protocols, anything else you need to know to be an informed client. These things shouldn't need to be said, but they are said - often. The reality is there are enough guys out there who skim over important bits of information, or worse yet, think they are an exception and a lady will bend her rules for him. And rather than taking responsibility for their error (afterall, it is your responsibility as a client to be familiar with what the rules are), they transfer it onto the lady. She's bitchy. She's being unfair. How dare she stick to the rules and restrictions which she has already clearly outlined, can't she see I'm special? This kind of nonsense happens a lot, and the sad truth is that while there are times when a lady is genuinely at fault, there are also times when bitter men who feel slighted are not completely forthcoming with their contribution to events. It is this reason why I don't bother with the other place. It's far too misogynistic and I don't feel that women are being properly respected there. We have our responsibilities, both SPs and clients. I am not responsible for making sure your phone has minutes, providing transportation to my incall, or providing services that I do not offer just for you. You are not responsible for supplying my lingerie or condoms, making sure my phone has minutes, or my right to choose what I do with my body. Information is key. Communication is how that information is given. If you're not sure, ask. Don't make assumptions or fail to plan and then wonder why a lady is less-than-impressed with you. There's my mini-rant about communication and not trying to make someone else responsible for your (in)actions. Posted via Mobile Device

I am curious- why wouldn't you want to address the lady by her chosen companion name? I guess it would depend on the type of relationship you have established with her and how she personally feels about it. If it's the first time you are contacting her, I would refrain from using the hun, baby, sexy, etc. approach ;)

..and not every client thinks in terms of a menu...

I was fully hard today for the first time since my heart attack!!! Yay!!!!! Didn't last long as I was alone. Progress!! Major progress. :D

besides, I would rather someone say hey are you into greek, then do you take it up the ass.....

Sorry I have to disagree with you on this. Ladies who wish to discuss services offered usually have a menu listed in ads or on a website. Not all of us conduct business this way and some of us even take great offence when being treated like a pizza. To some people seeing a companion is an experience and not just a single act. If your seeking a certain service and not a complete package find a lady listing her services. I dont have a menu, nor will I ever provide one and my business does just fine. not listing services offered does not mean a client leaves disappointed. I can tell by the 2nd email that I exchange with a client if we will click and menu has nothing to do with it. Just cause a service is available or offered does not mean the client will leave happy. Not every Companion bases her business on a menu.

I've never been asked this question and I can't imagine why someone would. Samantha is not the name I was given when I was born, that's true. However, I've used this name for years. I answer to it as automatically as I do to my birth name. If someone decided that he preferred to call me "Elizabeth," instead, it wouldn't work for me. I'd also wonder what the real issue was. I'd be willing to hear his reasons, but if it's that my name is the same as his wife, his mother, his sister or his daughter, well, he knew that when he contacted me the first time. If my name is such a big deal, perhaps he should be seeing someone else. And so I think I would feel that he was trying to establish some kind of special claim on me or see if he could coerce me into responding to him in a special way. I have to remember that he's going to call me "Elizabeth" if I see him again. I should be careful to respond to that name if he says, "Would you care for a drink, Elizabeth?" "Are you ready to order dinner, Elizabeth?" and so on. Sometimes clients call me things like dear, sweetheart, darling, honey or love. I usually ignore it, but I don't actually like it, particularly the first couple of times we meet. We don't know each other well enough for these endearments or pet names. I do appreciate it when a client asks if it's okay, though, and when they do, I usually say yes but only because the ones who ask have always been established, long-term regular clients.

So is the name something odd? I imagine something like "sexymamacakes" might be hard to use in normal conversation, so in that context I agree it could be weird. Some dancers choose names that baffle me, non-name names like "Unforgettable" or "Superstarr".. so do I call her "Super"?.. awkward. I don't really have any advice. :confused0024:

Well then I guess I am one of the very few sp's who have age restrictions. I do not feel comfortable seeing someone who is 18 yrs old, therefore I would not see them. But hey , maybe it is just me. Also, it is my opinion that TMI is much better than not enough when composing messages to set up an encounter via this business.

Wow! What a lot of hard-asses. I am generally described as being just to the right of Ghengis Khan in matters of business, and advertising, however, I think that banishment is being unduly harsh in this case. I have no patience or tolerance for B&S, lies etc on ads. However, she was new, didn't know better and appears to have learned her lesson. At best, we let her back in, and she is a model citizen. At worst, she screws up again and her ass gets banned for ever. This has been so public now, most people will be taking anything she says with a grain of salt.

Road Rage Incident Ends Badly: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/cars/injured+Orleans+road+rage+incident+suspects+large/7977430/story.html

I'm unfortunately going to derail this thread a bit more, but I'm a bit confused with some of what's been said. So for clarification purposes... This whole 'menu' discussion is a bit puzzling. Suppose a client likes certain acts, something that varies from one provider to another. Prior to booking with someone, by asking if that provider is okay with that particular act, I don't think constitutes treating someone like a pizza. Even if it's just finding out what's someone's limits are, I think I'd like to know that prior to seeing her then after I've paid her. I don't think I've ever met an SP with a plan of what I'd be doing, but I'd like to be completely cognisant of what I can expect, and what to stay far far away. And I would think that everyone would take great offence when treated anything less then a human. I think this falls in line more to what I think.

That is because the appliances and kitchen cost them money but the toilette and shower save them money Posted via Mobile Device

I have to get a feel for a gentlemen through conversation before I will even consider stating any availability. My rates are always in my ads and when I'm sent text asking available? rates? addy? it shows not only did they not read my ad, but they lack discretion for thinking I would be willing to text my address out to all text inquires be it men, possibly someones significant other, another provider even. There's no harm in being to the point, but introducing yourself helps you to stand out, shows a level of respect IMO that helps with the "I'm about to invite a new total stranger into my space and self" pre encounter anxieties that go with the territory. We have little if any info and certainly no pictures of you to help us form an opinion of whom is about to join us. I love when I get either a text saying Hi, I'm so and so, have heard great things on such and such site or word of mouth. Was looking to get together in near future/said date/length of time? Is there a good time I can call to discuss further? Being polite works as well too. This will stand out from the onslought of multiple texts of HEY. Hey Sexy. Whatup?. avail?rates?location? Where I going? etc. again this is just my opinion based on my experiences but I do feel it will help you stand out from multiple others.

Maybe you're wearing to many clothes, try taking your top off :) maybe that might help!

In my case.., i do not have a website, and i m always willing to reply to txts, emails, pms.., etc as long as the questions are being asked with respect..., for me the most important thing is that both the gentleman and myself are happy at the end of the massage session, is better to be clear and know exactly what to and what not to expect.... So i believe there is no dumb questions, as long as they are presented respecfully :-)

Okay well something is up, because I am definitely not technologically slow, and I don't see twitter anywhere in your profile, mine or T-Girl Kay's. Can you send a screen shot of what it should look like?

Actually I just check both emilyJ and Tgirl Kay and I can see your twitter feeds fine. Here's a screen shot of mine along with both of yours

Just wanted to add that you may get better results trying to book an evening appointment after dinner. Daytime appointment requests are often booked very early 9-11 even earlier, which is why prebooking is a good idea. It also gives the lady adequete time to prepare for your visit. Of course I can't say this for everyone, but has been my experience. Also an unblocked telephone call is taken much more serious by the provider unless otherwise stated in her ad. Here in Winnipeg many guys and possibly some woman will bombard us with texts (many just intended to waste our time or indulge in sexting) If you do text, I would text a friendly introduction of your name, when you are seeking to get together and what length of time etc. this will be replied to more so then 'hey u avail. Rates? location?"

Even though he closed his account, I like mrnice2. He brought an air of positivity to this community and was an asset to this board. While we all wish him the very best, he will be missed here RG

After a few emails back and forth with Bob54 where we discussed our likes and dislikes he suggested I meet with Jasmine, that she would fit my "likes" to a T ... and Bob I must say you were spot on! Big Thanks!! I met with Jasmine for an hour today and had just a wonderful time. I was greeted at the door of her luxurious hotel room by this natural exotic beauty, so petite but with the right amount of curves. Spinner sometimes is mis-used to describe "too thin", well let me assure you that it isn't the case with her. She is fully a woman but in a very petite frame: Nice perky breast, small but round booty ... Mmmm! So I freshened up with a quick shower and joined her on the bed for some chit-chat. We quickly moved on to some passionate DFK (a real turn-on for me) and she was a sublime partner to enjoy this with. If, like me, you enjoy sensual foreplay she will satisfy you fully! She moves so well, moans so well, changes pace so well ... are you seeing a pattern develop here? lol She is oh so beautiful to look at that I completely lost track of the stupid, psychedelic, completely irritating cartoon she was wathching on TV when I got there ... sorry inside joke between the 2 of us ... but seriously, it would normally be a distraction but our session was so passionate, our 2 bodies working in perfect rhythm, that we completely lost track of what was going on around us. Unfortunately for you this is how far I'll go in my description of our session, I try to stay a gentleman, but I can say that she easily brought me to ecstasy, twice! ;) What I also greatly appreciated about Jasmine is that I never felt rushed or running out of time. Actually I'm the one who brought up the time issue since I had a business meeting to get to after. Even though we had never met before we were able to laugh (out loud!) together and enjoy each others company and not just our bodies ... well I was enjoying hers mostly!! lol Until next time my Sweet Jasmine...

BP is a good source where a large number of ladies advertising if you love the variety as I do but picking from BP is also very risky (obviously for unknown ones not the ones already reputable) so be very careful when picking ladies from this site especially if they have no reviews or recommendations anywhere. Yes Cowboy's diary is a great source but also I personally ask a lot of questions via text, email or direct call. Yeah you may scare most of them away by these questions but you improve the likelihood that what you get is a good provider (in terms of looks and services) with real pictures and legal too. These are my personal (some recently added) rules when calling on BP (some may not agree that is why I said my personal rules). 1 - Outcall safer (for you) as no one hidden in closet or will block your way out if you refuse and since seeing a provider in outcall situation is 100% legal then you can always call the police if any wrong doing and she knows that (and she can too but I am a nice guy!!). 2 - Search for her number and if more than one girl is advertised by that number then it is a red flag, unless it is a reputable agency. 3 - Make it a prerequisite that the lady who shows up must be the one in the pictures otherwise it is a cancellation without any penalty. 4 - Make presenting an ID a prerequisite for those advertised between 18 to 20 upon arrival (and make ID mandatory if you suspect under 20 after her showing up in your agreement). If ID refused then make an agreement that it is a cancellation without penalty. 5 - Make an agreement on services that you require. Agree to pay the transportation fee (usually $40) and cancellation fee ($40 to $60) if the lady decides not to provide those services after seeing you and wishes to leave. For incall just a cancellation fee to be agreed upon. Be cool about it. remember it is always ladies' choice. But if she agrees to stay and refuses to provide agreed services, then it is a cancellation without any penalty. 6 - Agree to pay the transportation fee (for outcall) and cancellation fee above if the girl was the one in pictures but still you didn't wish to go ahead with the date (photo shopped pictures) and she must agree to leave with that fee not in full. 7- Let her know that it is important to you that she must be in this willingly. 8- After texts and emails are exhausted always call (to make sure she is the one picking the phone) and talk to the girl directly and see if she was really the one who read all the texts/emails and is aware of the details and agreements. Also convey your address (in outcalls) verbally when calling (not in text or email) and ask her to write it on a piece of paper. If you call and no one picked the phone that is a big red flag. In about 40% of cases you won't get any response and in about 30% of cases you get a negative response but in about one-third of cases you will get a positive response and then there is a 90% chance that it is a successful hit. You wish for a higher than 90% hit ratio then limit yourself to reputable cerb SPs and those on EC (with consistent recommendations on both boards). Do your homework (research) and avoid questionable sites like BP, CL and O@N.

Hello Readers Not the most PC savvy person even in my own family, I managed to go through a few different newcomer threads coming to the conclusion that perhaps an official newcomer introduction might be what I was searching for to make my first post rather than jump straight into a social group or a relevant discussion thread. Hence, the following. I am a mid twenties gentleman based in Mississauga, ON, with plenty of traveling within GTA. A hobbyist might be a strong word for me but in any case I do enjoy the company of courtesans from time to time. I am ofcourse new to this board and hopefully it might give a little more structure to future introductions as well as be part of this community. I look forward to making the acquaintance of some wonderful people. Till later. Md

Hey there... I am new to the business & If your looking for some sweet attention or affection ill be sure to satisfy you 100% with pleasure... I am super easy to talk to and have an extremely bubbly personality. Come enjoy my tight body and beautiful assets, while I make you feel relaxed, turned on and glad you came.... Feel free to check out my profile and my pictures! SCHEDULE: Tuesday, Feb 19 9am-9pm Thursday, Feb 21 9am-11pm Friday, Feb 22 9am-7pm Saturday, Feb 23 9am-9pm Call 613-820-8887 to book an appointment

i wanna make your dreams your reality :smile: Hey guys, I am a sensual, happy, sexy french 20 years old cutie, 5ft5 tall, green eyes, black hair, 34 D, 120 pounds, soft tanned skin! I love my job and I am looking forward to meet all of you really soon... I just cannot get enough :wink: I am available: Today from 11am til 11pm friday from 4pm til 11 pm saturday from 3:30pm til 9pm sunday from 10am til 9pm http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=6259 I workat a beautifulspa in the west end of ottawa and we have nice in room showers and a hot tub for you and I to enjoy :lovers: I offer amazing full body relaxation massage relieving your stress and tensions in your shoulders, taking away any pain in your back and ending with an explosion of FULL body relaxtion. slippery body slides work out of a clean, safe enviroment showers in everyroom that we can take advantage , lets get bubbly together. __________________

How Odd.. I first thought the SERVICE PROVIDER usergroup may be the issue but if Pete is not seeing it and CK can that must not be it. I will look into this (I can see it)

Lola & Aniah off sick today :( Thursday Summer 9-4 aka "SUMMER LOVE" Mandy 9-11 NEW aka"CandyMandy" Nicky 9-11 aka "Nicky in Paradise" Cassie 5-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" New Sexy Pics http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=22187 Come for a 4 hand massage in our getaway room....an experience you will never forget Ottawa's Best Room! ------HST included in ALL PRICES------ Regular Room spacious and in room shower Single Massage: --------30 minutes $55. --------45 minutes on special for $65. --------60 minutes $80. --------90 minutes $120. Session time @ Discretion of MA :wink: Duo Massage: --------30 minute on special for $80. --------45 minute on special for $100. --------60 minute on special for $130. Getaway Room Fee: Room Features a hot tub,6 ft custom shower and fireplace for your enjoyment Single Massage: --------30 minutes $70. --------45 minutes $85. --------60 minutes $100. --------90 minutes $150. Session time @ Discretion of MA :wink: Duo Massage/Couples Massage: --------2 Attendant --------30 minute $100. --------45 minute $120. --------60 minute $150. Couples Massage: ------1 Attendant --------30 minute $70. --------45 minute $85. --------60 minute $100. ------HST included-------- Longer Session times available and at the Discretion of MA :wink: Summers Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=S&t=45598 Cassie Recommendation http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=82862 Mandy Recommendation http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120757

My name is Crystal, one of my biggest pleasures in life is to please, so why not treat yourself and allow this sexy young babe take care of you. I offer amazing, non-rushed service that will have your mouth-watering. Soapy hot showers, a massage that will take away all your tensions, body slides you cant deny, i love to tease and to please. I can be an angel, or i can be your little devil. So what do you have to lose? your going to be coming back for more, and i cant wait to see you smile. Come play with me. :whipping: :dncdick:

Funny I thought after years my name was "God" providers I've met, always did scream out "O my god...O my god....fuck...fuck....god...O god dont stop, O god right there, yes god dam it.....yes god....dam it...god fuck me harder...O fucking GOD going to CUM.....fuck yes fuck yes fuck YES.....O my GOD you are so fucking deep....yes god dam it more..more...im going to cum....oh fuck yes....god dam ....you made me cum...God that was fantastic......god I need to catch my breath ... :) Lol Sorry not to offend the fathers name in vain to possibly offend others.

One of the best on CERB! Absolutely stunning!! Georgiana Sweet http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=6761 SNS724

Maybe the problem is simply that the SP's working name is the same as that of the client's wife, or his daughter, or someone else in his life. I guess I can see how that might be an obstacle. EDIT: I've just figured out that the OP is herself a woman, so... the SP could even have the client's own name! So a change of genders, but same in principle.

Delving deeper, sounds like he would like to call a lady that he chooses which happens to resemble someone he really want to screw. Like Brenda his secretary. So Gabriel , would you mind putting on a secretary skirt and blouse and let me call you Brenda?

Basically you can't use pm to book a last minute appt. The chances that any sp will be here on the spot to respond that way is slim. Last minute appts always need to be set up, for first time callers, by phone, not even text, imo. And don't just call once and give up. I can't count the number of calls I get when I am in the laundry room, or busy in an appt, someone calls one time, and that is it, gives up forever really. If you want to reach someone, you call back a couple of times, not in a stalkerish way, but at regular intervals, and/or leave a clear message. A lot of texts may not even get received, makes sense to use the phone the way it was intended if you really want to set something up same day short notice.

1) Select the lady of your choice 2) Take the time to view her ads and site, if she has one-as many have age restrictions. 2) Contact her via a friendly and respectful email. 3) In the email, indicate your age and that this is your first sp encounter too (although alot of men say this ;) ) as this will help the lady decide if she would like to se you or not. GOOD LUCK :boobies:

There are soooo many ways to communicate (communicate effectively that is) that there is no excuse! If the lady you are contacting does not wish to engage in constructive communication, then move on. If you are only able to get your message across using one liners or lude comments, don't expect a response.

It's funny I was just thinking of making a similar post. As of late there are so many gentlemen that call that want to book an appointment, ask questions such as how much,where am I,ect. When in all of my ads I ask for them to first view my web page for rates, booking protocol and other details. But no one seems to bother. I try hard to remain polite as I am appreciative of any and all the men who take interest in me but I fail to understand why such easy instructions cannot be followed.When you want to come and see me I take the time to prepare myself and my locale so please take a minute to familiarize yourself with me and my booking requests:icon_biggrin:

Nothing wrong with big curls, afros or any other hair type aside from straight hair. I think what the original poster of this thread meant was something like this....when he was referring to BIG HAIR ;) Even though, you gotta admit, Madonna looks hot in this pic xo

I find the thinner extra sensation condoms are the better choice, they are not only thin but seem to me to be stronger than the regular ones. I use a little lube, inside, all the time, on the whole area. This adds extra tingling sensation, warming feeling, and so the 'no feeling' issue is minimized.The type I use is warming, unless the client has PE issues, in which case I don't. I have used the Him/Her lubes, and the cooling one is great to take the edge off of someone who does have PE concerns. I also find that the condom on also takes the edge off, which is a good thing. Most of the people who say they don't feel anything, or much less sensation, are using what their head tells them, not what their body shows them. A lot is involved in the preparation, prior to putting on the condom, the flow is natural and unlikely if they are relaxed and not all caught up in what they think they feel it goes very well. I find a lot of younger guys don't think twice about whether bare or not bare feels better or not better, they often only know what it feels like with a condom on, and have little to compare it to. Judging by the large number of guys who can cum with a cbj before they are ready, or before they go over to FS, I don't think condoms lessen too much sensation lol.

Good luck out west. As a guy who has traveled west and come back home I await your return :).

I am also on antidepresent medication. I have a high sex drive but I fail to climax with a partner. I have experimented with several brands of condoms and find that Trojan Ultra Thin Lubricated Latex Condoms work best for masturbation. They also provide some sensation for intercourse. But not enough for a climax. And no sensation for oral sex. I do find it refreshing when the lady is a good kisser and very touchy feely. It is helpful if she can keep a hand on my penis when ever it is not inside of her. This is a real turn on. It shows me that she is into the moment and cares about my pleasure. I eagerly reciprocate. I have found that not all ladies allow me to provide my own condoms and will not substitute their chosen brand for mine.

This is an important topic. In Vancouver, there are a lot of what we call Asian micro-brothels. Some permanent residents or citizens who have immigrated, usually from China or Korea, provide opportunities for women from their home countries to come to Canada to work for up to six months. They rent houses and condos around the Lower Mainland and the ladies work from them. Sometimes the women stay in the same place for several weeks or months; more often, they work in one place and then move on to another, usually in another suburb. Some of these micro-brothels are affiliated with others in other cities, so it's possible for a worker to travel around the province, through the prairies or even across the country. The women who work in these brothels have come to Canada to be sex workers. They enter the country as tourists and leave within six months (the length of a tourist visa). They send most of their earnings back home. Most speak little English. The brothel owners always significantly undercut the going rates charged by independent companions. Their advertisements on the free and low-cost advertising sites are usually represented as ads from one or two girls, though there may be six or eight of them working in a house. The great majority of them are classic bait-and-switch ads. The photographs come from all kinds of places, but are almost never of the woman you will see if you make an appointment. The actual workers are generally older and don't look like svelte models. My Asian clients tell me that there are significant cultural differences when it comes to expectations about advertising. North Americans expect that the photograph will match the product they purchase and feel very annoyed when it doesn't. My clients say that the micro-brothel ads really are offering a fantasy, that the brothel owners have no compunction about whether the women look like the images they use for the ads. The woman in the photo isn't available, but the sexual services are, and that's what matters. I'm told that Caucasian clients generally don't repeat their visit. The brothels really are intended for Asian men who speak the same language and have the same cultural expectations. Since people read the ads and assume that what's being offered really does exist even though they don't check to be sure, one effect of these micro-brothels is that they put enormous pressure on independent providers, particularly those new to our industry, to charge significantly lower fees even though they're offering a dramatically different experience. As for whether the workers are being exploited, a lot may depend on definitions. The women do know what they're going to be doing when they come to work. However, since it's not legal to work when on a tourist visa, none of them is here legally. It's difficult to say how much the workers in the brothels know about safer sex practices, about STIs or their risk of infection. We also don't know how much these workers know about their legal rights in relation to sexual assault except that they're unlikely to call the police if there's a problem. Since they're visitors and have little English language skills, they're not likely to be tested or treated for STIs while they're here. About 20-40% of the fee the client pays actually goes to the girl he sees. Compared to what she might earn at home, this is still a significant income. Compared to what independent companions and those who work for reputable agencies earn, it's highway robbery.

I do a lot of searching and planning for dates through my mobile device and use the mobile site of CERB. Not only is the screen small, older iphone, but a lot of the nice features and links get removed. Would the lovely people of CERB please add their webpage link as a separate line in their adds please .. This would make looking at their sites for extra information so much easier. I thank you in advance Posted via Mobile Device

Dual penetration is something I have done and enjoyed (both double vaginal and vaginal/anal). I am fortuante enough to be able to do this. You need to have enough length and have the right physique/body type to make it happen. Would I do it again? - Yes, with a willing female or female/male Is it a must have? - Not really, it is more like a nice to have. I am more into pleasing and being pleased, so if she wants it I am more than willing to do my part. Anyone going to try it? - N/A Someone previously speculated about how double vaginal is getting into homosexual territory. Speaking for myself, that is not the case. I identify as heterosexual. It simply is not a big deal for me to have my cock rubbing up against another cock inside a vagina. It is the vagina, that I focus on. Besides, both guys wear condoms.

The comfort factor is HUGE, for everyone. This is why I will, professionally, only offer it in two circumstances: One, with two clients that I've known individually for some time, and can show that they know each other well. I will not 'introduce' two clients in a DP session, and I will never meet two new clients in a MMF session. THe other, is with my male friend that I offer MMF sessions with. This can be quite successful, because it's NOT another client. It's someone that I know well, and who is so comfortable with sex and being naked, that it can encourage the client to feel comfortable as well. We're not nervous, so it helps eliminate nervousness for everyone. And, it eliminates the awkward (or even, impossible), situation of trying to ask a friend to join in for a DP :) Comfort is the biggest factor in these situations, by far! But when it's there...my my my it can be fun :D

Complaining on the boards is by no means useless. I can't comment on paying a B&S provider rather than walking out for the simple reason that I've never been in that situation... because word gets around. The warnings section here, and CK's diary, are invaluable resources to us all. The problem with this is that most people will probably never drop anyone a mail to say, "I was going to see X, but I saw the warnings and now I'm not, so thanks for that", but that doesn't mean that this never happens. I'm sure it happens all the time. And while the scams may work in the short term... I suspect any SP who's in for the long haul is going to have to be honest. Nichole seems to be a case in point: does this thread exist because she's suddenly realized the error of her ways from an ethical standpoint, or have the warnings simply forced her to cut out the B&S? I've never met her and have no idea what the answer to that question might be, but it strikes me that the mere fact we're having this conversation illustrates the fact that the cause is not entirely hopeless. So maybe there's more money at the bottom of the pile. But there are two things to say to that. First, I'd love to know how sustainable this market is. If people use BP exclusively and get burned often enough, then one of two things will happen: either they'll give up entirely, or they'll work out that more reliable sources of ads and information exist. And when that happens, sites like EC are there to pick up the long-term, sustainable business. Secondly, the fact that there's more money at the bottom of the market doesn't mean that being at the top end of it isn't a good thing. Wal-mart may be hugely successful, but not everyone shops there all the time and there's still space for a viable business serving the top end of the market. I know that's not a perfect analogy as Wal-mart aren't openly dishonest, but I think the point still stands. Perhaps the solution would be to kick off some other advertizing site that could compete directly with BP for that end of the market and rake in the $$$, and keep EC as it is... Finally: I know that I've kinda conflated BP with ethics-free advertizing in this post. I know that's absolutely not the case in general and that there's many very good SPs who advertize on BP, so please don't construe this as an attack on anyone who does happen to advertize there...

MC... we take these threads seriously. Boundaries are very important.

I think I'd like to jump right into the introductions as well! Hi all! My name is Yvonne and I am an SP based in Toronto and the GTA! Pleased to make you acquaintance!

I must say I LOVE stockings. Bravo to all you girls who can wear stay-ups, but I have some pretty thick thighs, and they look best in stockings being held-up with a garter-belt, and some sexy heels of course. Now if you can find your way up to my crotchless panties...;)