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I am one stubborn bitch and will do what I please and never bow down to pressure. I am what I am and like me or not is your choice to see me or not and vice versa :). Peace!

So, after reading this thread and the BBFS thread, if some of you say that BBBJ is the same as BBFS then all the ladies who chose to offer BBBJs at their discretion should be blacklisted the same way as when a client asks for it? I offer BBBJs at MY discretion but I am certainly not willing to throw out the condoms out the window and start offering BBFS!!

This might not be a popular opinion and has the potential to offend some ladies but, from where I stand, I feel like it has to be said. Ladies, YOU are the one putting pressure on yourselves! If you do not want to offer a service, DON'T! It's that simple! Fact is, there are many successful SPs in this industry who only provide CBJs. I will not mention names because it is not my place to do so but if you do some research, you will find what you are looking for. Supply and demand: it is up to you to advertise and find your niche market; by having a niche market, you might no longer be reaching out to and/or appeal to the masses, the ones who have to have BBBJs BUT you will definitely find gentlemen YOU are compatible with and therefore, enjoy yourself that much more. Most gentlemen are great and will still see you even if you are offering a different type of service (please note I didn't say a lesser service) when it comes to oral. Most even prefer the whole experience over one single specific act. Ladies, have some confidence in yourselves! You are all great SPs/Companions who deserve to feel at peace when spending time with someone. Find your niche market and rock their world!

The problem with what you wrote here can be summed up in Mark Twain's words that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Yes, over 50% of the SP's "who responded" said they felt pressure. However only 30 SPs have responded to date. Is that a representative sample, or are most of the respondents just those who do not want to offer BBBJ? The trouble with this thread and the other on the topic, is that people are trying to use "statistics", and statements that imply they are being coerced, to win their point. If an SP does not want to offer BBBJ, then that is their choice. The fact that another offers it should not concern them. Read that again! It is none of their business. I have seen people argue on these threads that it is their business because another SP offering that service puts them at risk if they see the same clients. Well that would only be true if every client only had sexual encounters with "sex-workers". I can't recall ever getting a CBJ from a "civillian". So that shoots down that argument. The only way you would ever be truly safe is if everyone in the world only did oral covered. Again, whether a sex-worker offers a CBJ or a BBBJ, or DATY (covered or uncovered), or DATO, or Greek, or DFK or Mild BDSM, it is their own business and should not be debated here, or anywhere else, by other sex-workers or clients. Some sex-workers on here are saying they feel coerced to give BBBJ, but I would argue that this whole debate could be seen as an attempt to coerce or use the "court of public opinion" to get those who do offer BBBJ to change their service. That could be for safety reasons, but I could also imply it is to reduce what some may think is the competitive edge given to those who offer it. However, reading these threads and seeing the results of the poll you could draw the conclusion that it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Again, the decision to do a BJ covered or uncovered is up to the provider in question. It has no bearing on any other provider. You make your decisions based on what you feel is correct and guide yourself accordingly. What anyone else does is really none of your business.

I am posting this as remider that we are not super hero's and we are not invinciable! I came across this artical in hopes to just remind us that in our lifestyle, we need to be informed no matter how hard we want to put this issue in a box, and out of mind, we simly cant! http://metronews.ca/news/canada/609197/new-brunswick-officials-issue-std-warning/ This post is not intended to scare you, or annoy you, but just for a reality check. Play safe:)

I get asked to bring my yoga outfits (I wear nothing but Lulu lemon, hihi) just as much as I get asked to bring sexy French lingerie :) I recently had a client who wanted me to do very suggestive yoga moves with my outfit on. To spice it up a little bit, I poured a glass of cold water on my white and fit t-shirt (I was bare breast under), and then surrounded by mirrors I executed myself with very flexible moves. The water was cold as ice but the ambiance was hot as hell!

To address OP again, expect that without a reference you will likely be expected to provide real genuine information about yourself (name occupation, phone number etc.. As a first timer, I know that this can be very nerve wracking putting that out there but it will have to be done so make your mind up to it. I did it and so did every other client here at some point. The ladies here on CERB are professionals and just as you might be concerned about letting yourself become "vulnerable" to someone else, you have to realize what you are asking of the SP and how vulnerable that makes her. Take your time, read all the newbie and other threads, note who the prominent posters are and their reputations. Look at the wonderful variety of ladies in your area of interest (posting itself is a little skewed toward Ottawa ladies so search for your area). When you find a lady that appeals to you mentally through her posts and physically through her photo's, review her preferred method of contact and send her a polite complete message (no texting short hand for first contact) introducing yourself. Keep in mind that the more serious, sincere and forthright you are the better it will bode for you in the eyes of the lady. Keep to the three message rule, be ready to book by the third message, if you tend to drag it out she'll think you are just playing around. For me my first time, I actually took the time to write a carefully crafted letter in Microsoft Word, and having viewed the ladies requirements on her website provided her with much of the required information in the very first communication. I outlined that I was a first timer and what type of an encounter I hoped to experience. In my case my letter was about a page and even provided a sense of what the lady could expect from me and my personality (however I can be long winded as you can see from my post). The letter almost had a formal professional tone but softened just a little. In that situation it set the tone perfectly for the lady and she was very receptive to further communication and booking of a date. Think of the first contact as the 5W's (who, what, when, where and why) Who you are (cerb name and real name) What you want (type of experience your looking for) When you want it (time, date) Where you want it (incall/outcall) Why you chose the lady (what appealed to you) Once the first time is over, it'll feel much different after that! I know it can be scary the first time around, but I assure you the ladies are definately not scary one on one :) Now stop reading my post and go and book a lady! Chuck

I'm anewbie here (When will I stop saying that) and I have not had much experience with CBJs. Even though it didn't seem to make a differnce to me, I still find myself leaning toward those who offer BBBJ. That doesn't mean I excluded those who only provide CBJ as I have seen several on here that I really want to meet. I certainly would not be one to pressure anyone into anything they don't want to do. There are many factors to the clinet moving on from an SP. (Although having so many beautiful SPs on here makes it difficult). Price and other restrictions can affect it. The one thing I do look for is DFK (and kissing in general). I haven't seen many on CERb but if they say they will not then I look elsewhere. What can I say, I love kssing This business is like any other business. Supply and Demand. It's the driving force behind how any product is offered. That being said, there is one factor that most business don't have to deal with and that is that something is unsafe. As for you lovely SPs, it is always difficult to figure out a line you are willing to draw and not cross. There will always be clients that will move on if you don't provide certain things (ie the DFK). There are always SPs willing to provide things you might not want to. You have already drawn certain lines. Some won't provide Greek, others at an extra cost ect. Sometimes you have to stay away from the mainstream and find a niche market. Don't worry about what others are offering or what clients you may lose. Most of you ladies on here have so much more to offer so I would only hope that only a select few customers would be lost due to this limit. And hopefully new clients will start lining up

It's scary when you find out your information, particularly your location has been shared without your consent. I've recently had an issue with a few friends exchanging my info, details, location, with each other, and once I realized what was going on, I stopped contact with all of them but explained why their indiscretions can lead to serious problems for a lady, particularly an incall provider.. It makes me feel very unsafe that this info circulates, and while I do enjoy my incall location, and am very comfortable there, it's unnerving to feel it has been compromised in any way, even if the outcome isn't of the worst..

Love is a key to life. It only becomes a problem when you love more than one person (relationship wise)

"The market" produces sweatshops, child labour, and kiddie porn. "The market" will blithely chart the point where those who want it can even get bbfs. "The market" says nothing about whether its outcome is good or laudable, it just plots all those points where anything that's desired finally gets close enough to shake hands with someone else's willingness to provide it. That willingness might be coaxed by more cash, or simply extracted by the provider's desperation at some particular moment. Pay enough, or find someone desperate enough, and sure... "the market" will eventually provide just about anything you can think of, no matter how bad an idea it is for one or both parties. Despite the thread we're in, I make this point not to condemn bbbj; I just have no patience for the idea that "the market" is an unquestionable arbiter of desirable outcomes, and that its workings are good for all participants. When your alternative is starvation or eviction for you and your family, you can just barely be described as a free and willing participant in the market for a service you then provide. It's not always civilized to let "the market" take its course. Human values often require intervention, and at least some regulation. This glosses too breezily over what factors might play into what a provider decides is "appropriate". Several admirable and insightful SPs in the last couple of days have stated clearly that they push the line to a place they're not entirely happy with, because that's what it takes to secure clients in "the market". And only an untalented SP, having already made her decision, will let you know during an appointment that yes, the market has forced her into a place she doesn't want to be. I'm troubled by this sentence, but maybe you mistyped. Did you really have BBFS in mind here too?

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Sooooo.... For strictly educational purposes, I have been studying the nude female form on the internet. I know what you are saying, "God Bless you Old Dog for making such a sacrifice for the benefit of CERB." Really my friends, it has been an honour to serve my community in such a manner. I know this has been a topic discussed before BUT... it's so damn much fun to talk about . When I was a kid back in the dark ages, the female form and the actors in the Planet of the Apes had one thing in common. Robust foliage. A vast amount of shrubbery. A tree lined avenue to paradise. A big bush out front to keep the neighbours from seeing the valuables. Then came marriage. <shudder> When I re-emerged into the land of the enlightened, I had noticed a change to the landscape. Women had decided (without my input, I may add) to trim the hedges.... way back. A clean front yard to match the back as it were. No extraneous vegetation. Curtains no longer needed to match the carpet. The wall to wall broadloom was removed for hard wood floors. I tell you it came as quite a shock. My ex rarely let me near the garden. So to see a wealth of women sporting the clean as a whistle look I was at first dismayed, but I have become used to it. BUT NOW..... here's the thing. I finally got used to seeing women sporting that newborn look when all of a sudden.... it seems to be changing. I see little welcome mats. Table runners. Throw rugs in all shapes and sizes. Some are even going back to a sleeker version of the acquired growth. Every site has a good percentage of women that are sporting some degree of folicular activity in the nether regions. So I ask (for purely educational purposes only) is this a trend that is re-emerging? And how do we feel about it? I know for me, bare is great but I have always had a fondness for just a smidgen of what emerged at puberty. It doesn't have to be like the amazon rain forest, but a nice little landing strip just sets me more at ease. What are your thoughts?

Morning all! While I was "off" recovering, had lots of time to think (I know, I know it does not happen often!). Thought about all the lovely Ladies who are so talented, I just wanted to point it out and say "thank you". We have Ladies who are full time MP's or SP's. We have Ladies who balance "traditional" work lives, in the government, at hospitals, in offices, in banks, etc. and then spend time with us hobbyists. And we have Ladies who are still in university and college, some even in Masters level courses handling that workload, then spending time with us. Then we have the Ladies who balance their work lives with children, then work, then with us. To all of you, thank you. You are special folks who work hard to make us hobbyists happy. The Liquor

I digress. I think everything is fair game. To say that some topics are irrelevant discussion just seems bizarre to me. I don't know what you picked up from this thread, but I did learn something new from it. Here's what I do with a thread with a topic I have no care in the world for - ignore it. I can't think of any industry out there that isn't influenced by what their competitors are doing. To say that what another SP does is none of another SP's business is in my opinion massively presumptuous. Nevertheless, I haven't read many SPs on this thread actively denigrating others for offering the service. Finally, statistics aside, lets look at one fact. 16 respondents replied with the feeling of being pressured. I can't for the life of me begin to understand that sort of pressure in this case, but I can do my part in alleviating that concern. Call the stats completely bogus, but you can't deny that for whatever reasons, even for those that you think are dumb or non-existent, they are some you do have the feeling of being pressured. At this point it just becomes your decision with what you decide to do with whatever you've read here. I've already said what I'd do from now on, and if you read my previous comment again, you'll see I don't try to impose this on anyone else. Why this thread is important to me- I saw something that raised an alarm in my head, and decided to do something different. I am glad for this sort of discussion.

Don't take my statements to mean the market makes the right or ethical decision. If it did, would I be using my iPhone today? (another topic, another day). The market only has the values that those in it want to stand up for. It's up to people within the market to make the right decision for them and for groups to condemn and oppose factors within said market that are wrong/illegal/immoral/etc. I meant BBanything. The risks have been mentioned and argued about by others in this thread. We are lucky that it is acceptable to use birth control here. We are lucky in Canada to have extremely low, but not 0, rates of HIV and we have fairly low rates of STIs. If you're worried about STIs it's easy to walk in to your local ER, get antibiotics and move on. Is that the case elsewhere? My point is because of these 'benefits' of where we live we're having this discussion. Would those who want BBFS or BBBJ here do the same on vacation in Thailand or Africa?

I'm bumping this thread back up (as a reminder), as i've recently stumbled on a location being shared, with part of the information going "public". As clients, this is not our information to share with anyone, for any reason.

I would much rather get a BBBJ than a CBJ. It would not stop me from seeing a provide however. If the provider meets what I'm looking for she could cover it up twice for all I care!!! :)

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I'd say that even if just one customer (even one who isn't a regular, and has only ever seen you once) has told you that he can't go through with an encounter with you due to the BBBJ issue, then you have been directly pressured. I'm sure everybody feels the standard supply/demand marketplace pressure, anyways, but not everyone gets the direct pressure.

Peachy and I have never met... but we have engaged in a number of conversations over the past few weeks. The more I speak to her, the more I appreciate her. In fact, her sense of conviction, her willingness to speak out on something for which she feels strongly, makes her all the more attractive in my mind. So here's to you my dear. Kudos to an admirable recipient!!! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=18359 and here's a look at 12 PAGES of recos!!! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=P&t=4309

Peachy here I feel has a great asset Additional Comments: Can't forget the CMJ ladies

I have been to both Angels and Paradise along with other spas in the past and there has never been an issue with shower protocol. In a lot of cases I have appreciated the few minutes alone in the shower before being joined by someone. It allows for the opportunity to wash away a lot of the accumulated dirt and grime depending on where you are coming from. I would not expect any of these fine ladies to have to deal with the build up of the day. I would expect that an MA joining you in the shower would be more along the lines of "sensual sudsing" rather than something approaching a level of basic grooming. There is some "dirt" that I would rather deal with myself... That being said I would suggest as others have that you "communicate" your desires to the MA in question. I, for one have never had an MA turn down an invitation for "sensual sudsing", it just helps to set the mood and the anticipation for whats to come! There is one MA with an incredible set of dimples that comes to mind... Rodehard

PcarSub, There are quite a few awesome ladies here on Cerb that will do that for you ;), some have posted in this thread already. Chuck

There are so many to choose from on this great site. Allyson, Lexy, Katherine and Sierra stick out (uP)

You just can't help it. Most of them are irresistible.

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I hiave to agree with what everyone has said earlier.. I dont work out of the stablishments mentioned, but I believe regardless of work place, Independent or Spa setting... is all about letting your MA know what your desire is... in my case I normally offer the shower together mostly at the end of my sessions... but sometimes I have been asked if I could join at the begininng of the session and I have gladly accepted... Communication si definetely the key... Showers are definetely fun :)

saw the same report and thought damn we have to be so carefull have actually met with married ladies on these dating sites but thankfully have always been careful never had an std would be hard to explain to my wife

Ugh WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE TODAY I FEEL BAD FOR MY CHILDREN HAVING TO GROW UP IN THIS SOCIETY!!!!

Wow. Where to start ;-) Lulus for you Sin Cindy Emily J Gabriella Laurence Lana lee Sexxxy Rebecca No name but a few of the delightful women here I apologize for the many names I'm sure to have forgotten. I'm sure this list will be updated very shortly lol

The cherry blossoms at ueno park in Tokyo.its an amazing thing to see Also new kimono! (Posted a pic on twitter)

So did you address this directly with Angel's/Paradise first before creating a public thread? I know Angie very well, and if you talk to her directly she would explain everything to you.

well as a tgirl in the industry I feel there should b no question about it. Isn't any one concerned about yourself or your client? In a lot of work environments, isn't safety first? Sure I have performed bbbj but only for my regulars,who i feel ok with. Sure u could say its a little shallow but if there is a trust and honesty (well I am for my part) use your own judgment. I still ask if they would like protection regardless. It is tricky,no doubt, your there to please and to be the best experience they have had but as for myself, always cautious. I have had first time clients walk away, no hard feelings, but, sorry, I have to get to somewhat know you or feel comfy. Its not easy, like so many other things.

Yes...............

She used my pictures again today on BP! I called and texted her but she pretend that is her "real" pictures... Im even arguing with her... like if I dont know if they are my pics or not. shameless. Please guys, Im NOT in Halifax, that "Violet" is another girl who pretend the be me.

Maybe you should start the ball rolling, I am curious about taking a name like Spedley Muff and what you feel it says about you. This is one you have chosen.

Personally, I think that love is essential for our well-being. It is human to want contact with others. Babies who get little physical contact often fail to thrive. Adults who are extremely isolated often develop serious physical and mental health problems. One reason many people experience dogs as therapeutic is that dogs give their owners unconditional love and approval. A dog can be a remedy for depression for some people. I also think that love isn't about heart-shaped boxes of chocolates, bouquets of flowers or poetry, though it may include them. Love is not that heart-thumping elation one might feel for a new partner, though it may include that, too. In some religious traditions there are commandments about love, loving neighbours, loving strangers and engaging in loving acts. Love can be commanded or required because, ultimately, love is not what we feel, it's what we do. It's how we treat others. Not just people we already care about and who have done good things for us, but people we don't know or have good reason not to like, care for or trust.

Ahh, Vanessa that sucks to the highest level!! I'm sure there are many here who would love to take you in. But I understand that a woman needs her space. Good luck on the move!! Shit, even moving sucks!! I feel for you girl.

Of course my analogy was never meant to compare risks levels. I can assure you that I'm not that intellectually challenged! My argument was more on the level of "changing business trends" and businesses' sentiment towards their customers. Wether we like it or not businesses evolve, most times for the better and sometimes for the worst. It is the responsibility of all parties involved to make sure it does so in a mutually beneficial way. Consumers will always ask for more and businesses have to temper unreasonable demands but cannot chastize the whole clientele when a "retailer/service provider" common front breaks down and acquiesces to those demands. Some of the blame has to go to the businesses involved also. Comes down to a "did the chicken or the egg come first": did the consumer take that product offering because it was first offered to him or was it offered because he asked? If I look at my own personal experience in the matter at hand, DFK , DATY and BBBJ was offered to me when I started the Hobby this past fall without me asking for it. I was very surprised about it because my previous encounters of many years ago when I sought the service in between GFs was all business, with minimal skin contact and all services covered. Now is it my fault that I suddenly, today, "expect" in some sense (but will never "demand" I assure you) to receive these new services since that's what was proposed to me on a regular basis from providers?

Emily Rushton is amazing, Corner Brook is lucky that she's planning a visit. Key word is "planning". Realize that for traveling SP's most post an ad and notification of visit with the hopes that some considerate clients will prebook. If they have prebookings then it's very likely that the visit will occur. No prebookings then you'll be left with just the palm ststers. No SP is going to spend thousands of dollars on the chance that a client might show up when she's there. FYI, I would drive the 7 hours from St. John's to see Emily. Book her up guys!

Yes, ask her in a PM what her donation is hun:) Best to ask in your inquiry. Explain to her what you like, and day and time, and she can tell you what her donation rate would be for your date:)

Yes and no. The thing with Vegas and other American clubs is that they have actual VIP rooms, so you're paying more for the experience of having a different/private room and often a host or even waitress as well. Sometimes there are even different (more relaxed) rules in VIP that there aren't in regular lap dances. If you're just after lap dances, it could certainly be viewed as a "rip off" since you're not getting as much dance time for your money, but it's just a different experience in Vegas and clubs with VIP, so it's important to consider it as such.

This ladies is a firecraker, seems really cool from my chats and she is on my bucket list for Ottawa!

I actually want to add a BIG thank you to all the members who have started posting quality posts. In the last 24 hours I have seen 10 times more moderated (new member) posts and a lot of good quality comments coming in! So to all those who are sharing and contributing thank you. I know I am venting a little as it upset me with the people complaining. I felt I missed the most important part of this and that was to thank all the people who needed the push to post and have started to join in the conversations and community. Welcome.

Any person asking for or offering BBFS is insane and is a threat to us all. Blacklist them. :vf: As a hobbyist, I am really glad to see our SPs here come out so overwhelmingly against the stupid idea. :ThankYou:

Although I should say that most things are now in one awesome thread, which should be mandatory reading for everyone.

Thank you for making this thread. I would like to ad that there is nothing creepier than a gentleman contacting me either from my street corner claiming he has never seen an sp before, (strange) or worse having a guy demand your adress as first contact or the brutal, confirm your adress to you despite not having given it to him yourself. All of this is downright scary as far as I'm concerned. Posted via Mobile Device