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If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

Do you think maybe those two things are related, just not the way you think? If thanks to your behaviour the session begins with the SP actually having to come right out and remind you about paying the fee before you'll pay her at the start, then some of that "YMMV" you refer to elsewhere may have kicked in... and you may find the session goes a little more tortoise, and a lot less hare. (Plus, it sounds like you'll have decided that since she asked you to pay up front she must not be "relaxed, fun and for real," and you've maybe gone all pouty and ill-disposed. Little wonder things seem to go poorly on those occasions.) Look, the women here take enough personal risks every day in this profession. As clients, one of our first priorities should be to never contribute further to those risks if we can avoid it. One of those professional risks is guys who dick around about the fee -- negotiating, pleading, or looking for a way not to pay at all. The fact is, when you don't produce the agreed-upon fee up front, it's not clear whether you're planning to pay at all. You've imposed risk on your provider where none was needed. I'm frankly stunned you can find anyone who agrees to this arrangement. Treat your provider with respect and remove that particular risk from the equation. In my experience, paying smoothly and up front establishes your own trustworthiness, and helps gets everything off on the right foot. I'd personally be ashamed if I ever considered doing otherwise.

Guys haven't been fooled into thinking this is the 'norm', this actually is the norm. It changes the dynamic when the sp is afraid she is providing the service to someone (new or regular) who may not pay her. I am not sure how that 'dynamic' is going to be a good thing. An sp who isn't going to provide certain services, isn't going to provide whether you prepay or post pay, and what are you going to do if you don't get what you believe she promised? Not pay the fee you agreed to pay when you made the appointment? Are you going to have her shout and berate you when you decide you aren't going to pay her what she told you was the rate before you made the appointment? Are you prepared for her to follow you out of the building, take down your license plate, and post your name, # and car on the internet because you ripped her off? or are you simply going to pay her the fee in full. And if you are going to do that at the end, why not just do it at the beginning, and get an sp who is not tense and afraid that she is going to be, yet again, ripped off? I wonder how you think you can get away with that, when someone is charging for her time, and you spent the time with her in full lol To me, the only sps who are ripped off are the ones who accept post pay, and the only guys who are going to rip off sps, look specifically for sps who take payment after. One of the worst things any reviewer can do to any sp, especially if she is new, is mention in the review that she takes post payment. The only exception that i find acceptable to sps who do a post payment method are sps who work in a spa, massage parlour, with others, because the client comes in knowing she has backup, the place has security cameras, and so on. I still think it is a bad idea, and mp attendants still get ripped off due to this sort of policy, but at least there is more than one vulnerable sp in the place with a client who has decided to not pay. Additional Comments: Not every business is like this business tho, and for that matter, many estimates from a mechanic, for example, rarely matches what you end up paying even tho the work done is the same work agreed upon lol. It doesn't matter if they take and put away the payment. It doesn't always matter what they said (or texted or emailed) prior to the booking. You are meeting a new sp, and assuming she did the booking, it might not be true, or it might be she doesn't connect you with the questions she answered before. She might be confusing you with the guy who didn't want DFK. So what you do is face to face prior to handing over the money, is go thru that list of things that got you to the door. Most sps in your area have a money for time set up, not a money for specific services set up, so if you get your time, there is no opening to ask for a rebate. If you don't get your time, or there was an extra charge to go from GFE to PSE (which I take from accompanied showers, DFK and toys could be the case), then you could ask for that amount back. If she doesn't upcharge for toy show, then no, there isn't any amount you can ask back because you have not been charged a particular specific fee for that. you see where I am going with this? Communication gets you to the door, but once you are inside that door with a new provider that you don't know how credible her promises were, you just run thru them again face to face minutes before sessions starts. She can't avoid not providing something, if she promises it directly to you, she can't be confused about who she is seeing who was asking to do more, and who asked to do less, for example.

If this approach works for you and the providers you see, and is mutually agreed-upon, then that is what works for you. I think what is problematic here is that you are advocating that everyone should follow this approach, and that if they do not, then they are being fooled, or ripped off, or that they won't receive the services agreed-upon if they do not pay at the end. If you don't want to see providers who ask for the money upfront, that is your choice, and you will have to choose providers who are okay with this. But please don't advocate that everyone should go against the rules set by some providers -- there are many, many reasons why we choose to ask for the money up front, including ensuring that we ARE getting paid.

I've been trying to step back and see your point of view, but I just can't get my head around it. You say "simple, smooth, no issues" but I question what happens if you feel you didn't get what you expected. It's hard not to picture you calculating in your head what % of services you received and only giving that much of the donation. Or if you don't receive everything arranged ahead of time, do you not pay at all? If you don't pay the full donation, then even if you didn't get every agreed upon service I'd still say you were in the wrong. Not happy with an encounter, then don't repeat with that provider. But if you spend the time, then leave the donation. It's as simple as that. If on the other hand at the end you're always giving the full donation amount (as you imply happens above) then I don't understand why you wouldn't leave it at the beginning as most people seem to prefer. Even if you personally have had experiences with ladies that don't mind waiting until the end, can you truly not see how most--even if they don't express it to you during the encounter--would be spending the time worrying about it and be more at ease having the donation out of the way? How it doesn't at least appear like the client is holding the threat of not paying over her head? Even if it's not a power dynamic to your mind, can you not see how it appears that way and would be used as such by others? Bear in mind too that the ladies are always taking more risk than the gentleman, especially with first time visitors. Yes, there are dangers for the gentleman and obviously an encounter may be a disappointment. But compared to how much a lady has to protect herself from it's hard to compare. So as Mightypen said, anything that clients can do to help put a lady at ease, we should do. Doing your research, being respectful, and booking with reputable ladies will do a lot more to ensure a positive encounter than withholding a donation until the end ever will.

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.

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You don't pay for service, you pay for time. I think this is the simple way to look at it. Any letter combo posted by a provider (bbbj, dfk, cob, and so on) mean nothing, the provider and only the provider makes the descion on what services are provided based on the client upon meeting and talking with them in person. Texting, email and PM is a very impersonal way to communicate. A great example a provider a has the power to refuse digits if I have cuts all over my hands for her own and my safety. Posted via Mobile Device

The fact that you insist it makes it more enjoyable for you without knowing if it made the experience more enjoyable for the providers is interesting. As Cleo mentioned, it brings power dynamics into play. Remember, we get paid to pretend to like our clients, no matter how distasteful they may be, especially if the rent is due or our kids need braces. I can assure you, until a providers trusts a client, she will be focused on whether or not she's going to get paid. It would make me question if the providers you choose are desperate for work and therefore vulnerable to your demands. The key is that you wouldn't know if that was how she was feeling if she was a professional. As a client, that's not a question I would want to wonder about given the nature of the service at hand. It would make me wonder why she would allow this, why would she take this risk? There is a reason, I guarantee it and it isn't because she trusts you given she has never met you... cat

Dude. You dug yourself this hole. Reread your posts. What FilmGeek said to you was SPOT ON. It's as basic as this, if you (the general you, not you specifically) can't read the extensive info that's been provided on our websites and in our ads, if you're in such a rush to get your dick wet that you can't even bother doing a bit of internet research (hi, there are guides to client etiquette out there: a quick google search of "escort + client+ etiquette" pulls up this link http://bellastr26.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/client-etiquette/), you should just wank off. If you have read it and can't be bothered to follow our rules/requests/etiquette, that says a lot about you and it's a GIANT RED FLAG. Dudes who can't respect virtual/online requests sure as hell aren't going to respect my wishes in person. I am running a business; my website is written to answer as many common questions as possible. I still get a billion "what are you rates" or "where is your incall" questions when all of that wonderful info is provided on my website AND in my ads. Usually I redirect to the site. If you come back with yet more questions that have already been answered, well you can just forget seeing me. I don't have time to repeat everything that I've already spent enormous amounts of time SPELLING OUT for you. Not to mention, if you made it as far as making an account on CERB, then you can access the "new to this?" section and don't need to be making excuses about not knowing how things work.

I trust somebody once to pay after.. Still waiting after my money few months later! Never again. Period.

To me, a time waster is someone who plays 20 questions about meeting but never or rarely books. Like the guy who writes/texts/phones me multiple times about meeting up when he's in the area, then, whoopsie, something comes up. It happens, for sure. But it also happens that there are people who get almost as much pleasure out of almost seeing an SP, with none of the risk or expense. Who knows why? But it's not just this. Over the years, I can't say how many times someone cornered me at a party to tell me about the time they _almost_ made a skydive. To avoid being viewed as a time waster, don't contact until you're reasonably sure you can make it.

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I like to BBQ a turkey. I start with a fresh bird then I stuff it with a walnut spiced bread stuffing. I preheat the BBQ until it reaches about 500 F. The turkey goes into an aluminium pan with a rack. I place the bird on the center of the grill. Next, I turn off the burner directly below the bird. Close the lid and wait. It takes roughly 15 minutes a pound so a twenty pound bird is perfect after 5 hours. Here's the trick. No basting. I leave the BBQ lid closed for 90% of the cooking time. The only exception comes right at the end, about an hour before the time is up. I'll open the lid and foil the wings, drum sticks and the ends (where the stuffing resides). Then I draw off as much of the drippings as possible to make the gravey. Once the lid is closed again I don't touch the bird until its time to carve. Most of you are probably asking yourselves the same questions. 1) Five hundred degrees Fahrenheit? Is he nuts? The answer is once the lid is opened for the first time, most of the excess heat bleeds off. And when the Center burner is turned off the BBQ will settle back to the 325 F range. 2) No basting? Is he nuts? The answer is most turkeys that come out dry are due to the act of basting. When you open the oven (or BBQ) to baste the bird, the temperature drops considerably, then the oven needs to work to bring the temp back up. The uneven temperature dries out the meat. True, it is an act of faith, but no basting is recommended by the experts at Butter Ball. My turkeys always turn out golden brown and moist. 3) Why a BBQ? Is he nuts? Well, yes, I am nuts. But over the years I've developed a low tolerance for the smell of roast foul in my house. Traditional oven methods will fill the house with the aroma of turkey; a smell that can linger for days. I used to like it, but lately it has a nauseating effect on me. So I BBQ and leave that lovely turkey stink outside.

I have followed the tread from my experience it fall into following instruction..leaving the donation at the beginning g of the session is what is expected in the world of hobbiests,ponder so courtesan escort... Personally I would agree with Cleo toward the reference of wade cash waving at you... Like a carrot to a donkey..it happen to me and I asked the person to Save It doesn't make a difference if you pay after to get a session that be satisfy...i think it may does with non pro If the lady has a reputation and been establish there are no reason to believe she wont deliver what she advertise I have been in situation where the enveloppe was provided upfront(in usa) And at the end I realize he paid for my Pse not Gfe...as in USA they are no discussion prior because of the law I made him aware that they were too much in it On the other side I had a client booking me for 1 h Put down the enveloppe and stay for 1.5 The donation was shorted by time and rates I had guys try to give me Canadian tire money Gift card.. So i am more relax to get the donation upfront If I feel my session wasn't up to par because of me...I have in the past suggest discount or make up session But you holding the donation until they end is nerve racking for us...Suggesting others follow your trace is giving the guys with bad intention easier opportunity Vj

Kalifornia. Pretty good movie from back in the day with David Duchovny, Michelle Forbes, Juliette Lewis who is absolutely heart breaking in this, and Brad Pitt being very un-Brad Pitt-ish lol. Posted via Mobile Device

I have had the pleasure of spending plenty of verrrry memorable time with our wonderful ladies. I have yet to meet one that didn't expect payment up front ? Ever ! If the time came that I had to actually worry about that or ask them if it is OK to pay them when my boots are back on at the door ..... I shall quit.

Has any other SP noticed that the longer the list of requests in advance the higher the odds that the client will NOT show up for the date? I have noticed that it makes no difference if I agree to all or some or none of the requests, the longer the list of advance demands, the lower the odds that the client will actually show up for the date. Personally, I no longer read long emails or texts of demands. If it looks like someone had his hand in his pants while typing, I delete. This one policy of deleting anything long or graphic has done wonders to cut down on the no show problem. An email or a text to an escort should not look like a submission to a porn magazine or porn website. What I found is that some clients are wonderful and it is a pleasure to spend time with them and some clients are total nightmares whom I would never see again for any amount of money. Most people are somewhere between the two but more are close to the positive end of the scale which is why I am still here. No email or text list is a substitute for meeting the real person in the flesh. It is impossible to access what will happen until such time as you meet the actual person. You cannot get an estimate on your car repair until the mechanic meets the actual car. Your experienced long term service provider Valerie

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It would be fun to have Faulty on board for comic relief actually! The fact is I do run a business and I know I have to cater to guests somewhat. But when someone has rubbed me the wrong way enough to give me mental rug burns, it makes it exceedingly hard to have sexy time with them authentically. I'm pretty tolerant of newb questioners, tire kicking financially challenged inquirers reschedulers and high maintenance, constant ecomm guests. What is difficult for me is usually the timing. Murphy's law always sends these guys my way when my personal life is over demanding or things are stressful. This magnifies the annoying exponentially and at times I teeter on the fragile edge of ripping someone a new one. I always realize it's me that has the issue and I need to either ignore the request completely or send them a cut and paste response to ensure I don't cross a line. I can be quite cutting at times because I'm not fluent in sarcasm so I just drop an anvil on them when my edit button malfunctions and the damage is usually irreparable... cat

As acqua mentioned is not about how does more or about who charge less...its about amazing experiences and all ladies on industry that offer nuru... competition is not about undercutting just a personal opinion. Is about keeping clients happy and keeping industry in a classy way.

I have been a HUGE fan of nuru for many years now and I would have to side with Gina (Urban Vibe) (Number 1) and Jessica (Indy) (Number 2) as my "all-time" favourites. Although, Alexandria is new at this I have enjoyed sessions with her. Vitto has always provided great session so I may have to check out her with nuru, I suspect that will be great also.

@muncher459 I hope you make your birthday into everything you could wish with someone who will treat you right (you've come to the right place for THAT). 60 is still a young age with lots of pleasure and enjoyment left and anyone who tells you any differently should be given a swift boot to the posterior. Age is just a number and by FAR attitude makes the person as young as they perceive themselves to be. Don't wish to have started earlier, live in the moment and embrace every pleasure you can and think about what you can experience today! *muah*

I just think there is a disconnect from what you think is going on versus what the sps are telling you is going on. You do have a lot of experience, which to me means you are not as familiar as we are with what the typical newbie is going to be doing or asking about. What a newbie guy would ask is 'do I come to you or do you come to me?", nothing about who is paying for what hotel, he doesn't have enough experience to think that one of his options would be to rent a hotel room for the sp to come to him (outcall). i think the sps are naturally puzzled by the insistence that this is a typical (i.e. valid) question, and I think the majority of sps getting such a question would be eye rolling and hanging up/not replying, because if this is an example of how he is thinking, there is no hope he's also going to understand even the basics of setting up an appointment, let alone meeting and paying, and by that I mean, respecting the sp's restrictions, boundaries and limits. And that's assuming she believes he is a newbie potential, and not just an experienced guy playing games. Her first thought is probably the latter. The other issue seems to be that you don't want anyone, mostly sps, telling you any of that. And that is your issue. You can either become reactionary whenever anyone disagrees with you, or even just tries to explain their own POV and experiences, and LEARN from that, or you can continue to repeat your own points, to the exclusion of all others. Some take offense to the sps who do not have patience for very new first timers who sometimes have ridiculous questions. But it is their preference to not deal with first timers, or at least first timers that need a lot of hand holding. Some sps do deal with those guys. I'm one of those kinds. I'll tell someone things that are in the ad, I'll explain the difference between in and out, and give tips for looking at other ads, and making a good choice. But I promote that, and make a good session for someone doing this for the first time. I am not necessarily suitable for the hardcore hobbiest, who actively seeks one time encounters, to review them. I discourage that kind of guy actually, if I feel the caller is too 'checklist' oriented, I'll pass. The types of questions I am getting from the professional client are questions I don't have patience for, and I'm going to treat them like some sps treat the guys who don't read their ads or approach them in the right way. Some pro clients approach me in the way that I want to be approached. The ones who want to do things their own way, will be turned down.

To be honest, this kind of thing is the main reason why I don't tend to request particular things in advance. Yes, there are particular things I like, and I'll definitely go and see someone who I think it likely to provide those things... but I much prefer to let any given encounter play out however it happens to go at the time. And yes, that does mean that I'm not going to tick all of my favourite boxes every time I see someone... but that's OK. If someone's good enough at X, then as far as I'm concerned she can keep me happy without doing Y and Z at all, even though Y and Z are things I generally like. And yes, I'll go back and see her.... again, and again. Unfortunately. If my mechanic left my car in as good shape as SPs leave me, life would be much better...

Mighty Pen's words speak truth. There are times a provider hasn't prepared for the appointment by keeping track of requests. That would require keeping records and that is something quite discouraged by hobbyists. I don't provide a menu or promise a single service when I book my appointments for this reason. If a guest has a check list of activities that must take place during the playdate, I'm not the provider for him and I'm clear about this upfront. If a guest let's me run the session the way my intuition tells me he will leave smiling and completely satisfied. Walk thru my door with specific services demanded and you will be shown the door but I don't keep the envelop. I think it's dirty money at that point and brings no good to my life from a karmic level. A good provider trusts her instincts and if her spidey sense is tingling, the agreed upon services are at her discretion. She needs to be honest about why she won't provide the agreed upon services if she wants to make the appointment work. Won't kiss? Probably a hygiene issue at hand. No shower? She has probably booked appointments after you that weren't on the books when you set up your appointment and won't have time to redo her hair after you leave; or she feels it's a bad judgement call from a safety perspective. There are a 100 reasons the menu will change. Has the contract been broken? Yes. Is she required to give you a refund of some sort? No but if she's smart she will make it right. It's good business to be honest and keep clients happy. This business is only viable if you can build repeat business and violating the agreement doesn't accomplish that... cat

I've met up with AngelMoncton93 a few times over the last little bit, here in Moncton and have to say she is the real deal. Great conversationalist, mature beyond her years and fantastic when it comes down to business. Gives great full service, can't wait for our next appointment :)

I'm actually super surprised that no one's posted anything about her in the month that she's been here. BP's been aflame with ads claiming she's a fake, and even on the other *erb there's no clarity on that. In fact, her ad today showed her holding a picture of today's paper, just to silence the critics. That was enough for me to get off the fence and see what she was all about. Pics are real. She's for real, and uber-cute (seriously cute laugh). can't say much about her looks that her pics don't do for her. Booked through text, had no problems there. Incall was sort of out of the way, but discreet. Met at her incall, went through the usual list of acronyms and positions. She plays everything safe (CBJ, etc.) and relatively conservative (no Greek, no COF), so won't be for you if you insist on a more PSE. She does have PS looks, though, for sure! I've developed a fine appreciation for the natural D-cup, and hers are real and fantastic. She was very pretty and accomodating. Only downside was the freakin' construction outside her room, which was getting noisy and distracting. The outside jackhammering was competing with mine. I fought the good fight, but they outlasted me. Saw. Conquered. Came. And, like the South, shall rise again. The Dutchman

I'm a guy, so as all guys, I'm never lost - just taking the "scenic" route. Technology is great, only when it works -- always keep a paper map in your car! For you younger folks, a paper map is either a big piece of paper or in book form that has all the streets on it :)

Well that's the first I heard of paying after an encounter and still scratching my head over that mindset Starting off an intimate encounter with that much mistrust can't be good. And frankly any lady would be well within her rights to show such a character the door Not only do I pay up front as gentlemen do I now utilize in many cases email money transfers paying for the encounter in full even before I see the lady Ladies take most of the risk in this lifestyle which must be a source of stress for them Why unnecessarily add to their risk and stress by making them during an encounter wonder if they will even get paid A rambling RG

I really like this poem, Anna. Thanks for sharing. What inspired you to write it? For me it resonated because it really speaks to those moments we share with clients - those special and secret moments - that we can't share with anyone else. It's a private intimacy, and an intimacy that demands supreme discretion. I also like how you used the possessive pronoun at the very end when you said "to the place that is my knowing". Ultimately it is yours - yours to keep - yours to cherish - yours to own. It doesn't belong to anyone else. I hope you post more :)

Jenny was in this afternoon, looking statuesque as usual. Bridget and Brandy also looking exquisite. The abovementioned Paige was in, as was a luscious curvy brunette Mariah, as well as Alice Cooper fan Roxy, and sundry others.

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Yet you refuse to follow rules see your own first post. I bet this is not your first handle here champion just saying. I got that thingelylily up my butt telling me you were somebody else on this board.. That feeling isnt a feature in my ass "I bet I've paid for sex more than most guys here :)."...lol yet You dont Want To follow any rules..you go boy like you really did paid more than anyone on this board...your silly or had to much to drink as big spender don't demonstrate they acted....they do t need to brag o. How much.

The Liquor: Just as another fellow Cerb member wrote, we may be strangers, but we are all connected and we all wish you the very best and hope that you enjoy yourself in every way possible.

That my friend is the basic definition of a incall

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I always find this an interesting concept when it comes up, if you leave no message how can a lady know what time frame is acceptable to call back and what is not? If you do not wish to receive a call back it's always better to be clear in a message stating "I am calling at 'ab' time from the number last four digits 'wxyz' and for reasons of discretion would prefer not to receive a call back, I will however try to reach you again. Thank you." The reason I suggest this is a number of ladies receive complaints on boards for "not returning calls" so often they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. In addition many ladies do not accept same day dates or may not be available on a particular day so by their scheduling practice callbacks during a much longer time frame would be deemed appropriate. Finally as I have always stated if your spouse may answer your phone don't call from it, mitigate your risk and invest in a separate phone or sim chip and if that isn't an option then simply don't call. Most ladies can be reached via email nowadays and it's easy to get a secondary email that your spouse would not have access to. Discretion only goes so far and the responsibility of not being caught cheating lies on you not on your companion. Oh and for the record I only schedule dates via email so this isn't personal just a topic I have seen discussed frequently on the various boards. :)

Once again I hate to say but they are several types of waste of time The newbie that is too shy to take the plunge The once upon a time new pooner that was complimented by several ladies how nice become avid poster on the board become egocentric think he is more smart than us ladies ...and we are raising hand to be chosen..Me me me! And the pooner That sadly doesn't have the income that he wish to see them all so leave on promises Personally I may have more patience answering questions and explained the system to the new guy..Although not known for that and prefer to leave to lady that has that " mother caring " attitude. Often if you can't figure out on how follow instruction I don't think you will find my hotel lol Writeon I do not wish to attack you but in your first post you mentioned not following rules ladies...now you say that you have experience...Yet present the situation of the unknown business... The op subject what we consider waste of time... The ones I recognize as waste of time ..I generalize but. It's 85% experienced pooners. Cat sume up very well points I agree VJ

It really does depend on the provider. I am an email person, I send an introduction which is a small book if you're on a handheld but it contains just about everything you need to know plus links for other information. I prefer a gentleman spend a minute and send a reply with a bit of detail about himself, what he's looking for and any other questions. I will exchange emails after an appointment is booked as my time permits if the flow of communication is engaging. I have cancelled appointments because the emails presented red flags that weren't displayed during the initial booking emails so it can help with my screening. Inquiries that continue to ask questions already answered in prior communications are deemed Askholes and written off. Guests who insist on over communicating between appointments are at times annoying simply because of time constraints on my end. If I see someone 4 times a year but receive emails weekly, then it's disproportional to the relationship we have but I have several who have more than earned the privilege of daily communication and it's something I enjoy and look forward to. The better the client, the more time I'm willing to invest answering the comm's. In my books, a WOT is an actual time waster. Booking an appointment then rescheduling, moving the time, cancelling and rebooking etc. These are Wafflemeisters in my books. Move an appointment more than once and I raise an eyebrow. The next time I put a yellow flag on it, one more then I'm out. Wafflemeisters are second cousins to Twatwaffles from the far reaches of the Ozarks and not people I need to entertain. Ever. Be aware of the relationship you have with your provider and that will guide you in the communication style she prefers. If you haven't met her yet, then keep it simple and concise... cat

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If you want to book a specific girl at an established place, like CMJ, Angels, Paradise, Vibe or one of the ALO locations, I think you should call in advance. A few hours before will do... but maybe for the really popular ladies, it should be early on in the day. CMJ's pricing is on their website. clubcmj.com. You need to be a member, but a membership plus initial session is only like xxx on top of the price of a session. Angels/Paradise pricing is on most of their MA's ads. I don't know all the prices offhand, but I know that 60 minutes is xxx and the bodyslide option is xxx 'tip' because that's all I ever get. Never been to an ALO location so I can't comment on the pricing, but you can message PassionVitto and she will let you know. Probably similar to Angels/Paradise pricing I would imagine. Katrine's prices are listed on her website katrinecannon.com, and there's also Vibe, and their prices are listed in their daily ads in the massage section. However, if you're looking specifically for a busty MA/SP, especially a busty French one, then Katrine is probably who you want to see. If its an MA you want to see, then there are many fine well-reviewed ladies at most of the popular, established places in town (Vitto@ALO, Chantal@Paradise, Mandy@CMJ, Gina@Vibe, Courtney@CMJ, Mandy@Angels, Robyn@Angels). It just depends on what your type is and what you want. Hope this helps Polydeuces

First and foremost, YMMV is a factor in all encounters. And what is agreed to in a email or a PM is what she offers in her encounters and may be willing to do. Sometimes YMMV is spelled out in a lady's website, but sometimes it is implied. But most experienced in this lifestyle understand that an encounter with a lady, underlying all menu options she provides, is a YMMV factor. Yes, those menu options are services she provides. But not all the time and not to everyone. Example. DFK might be offered. But if you show up having bad breath, consider yourself lucky to even get a peck on the cheek. And no, she didn't break any promises IMHO. Or she might allow digits, but if you show up looking like you changed oil on your car, don't expect digits, and again, IMHO, she didn't break any promises Be realistic in your expectations too. A lady may offer MSOG. Me for example, at 52, one SOG I'm happy. But if I request MSOG and only get one SOG should I get a discount, no. A lady may have a long list of menu items offered but that doesn't mean each and every item can physically be done in one encounter And finally there is one other thing. You are not paying for services. You are paying for a lady's time. What happens during that time together is between two consenting adults. So understanding that, and the YMMV factor, the best option is to be a gentleman (including paying in full, good hygiene, showing up on time) and you'll find YMMV will have a positive meaning for you. And what happens between you two consenting adults will be something positive and memorable A rambling from a gentleman for who YMMV has been a positive term and has had positive and memorable encounters RG

There are some SPs who will promise anything to get you in the door and get your money in hand. But there are some things an SP might have a hard time delivering on after promising, sight unseen. DFK is one. I love to kiss, but DFK, to some people, seems to mean something I'd be more likely to describe as tonsil tasting or attempting to discern what I had for breakfast. Think of it yourself. You love DFK, but when you meet, you discover that your SP, while being clean and not having bad breath, simply doesn't have a taste or a style of kissing that works for you. People don't kiss to satisfy terms of a contract, but to explore, arouse and be intimate with another person. That's why I never feel comfortable being put on the spot to agree to such terms, sight unseen. I've always been skittish, and more quick to write someone off than to push for a sale (and I've only gotten worse with age, I know), but that's something to consider when communicating with an SP beforehand: some are working hard at selling, and others are working hard at identifying who will be a good match. I suspect you'll get your best service from the latter, if she chooses you. But too, I suspect that, like me, such SPs will be put off by someone who wants them to commit to too much, sight unseen. I recommend you only dive into "hammering out the details" of a contract if it's absolutely essential to you. And make it clear that you will not pay if it doesnt happen. But don't be surprised if many SPs wish you well and send you on your way.

Whoa. There's too many other reasons why some request might go unfulfilled for this to be the first or most "likely" reason. It's not that this never happens; but let's not jump there as a first reflex. But otherwise I agree with your points.

An interesting and easy to understand article explaining what could be next after the laws are struck down and what sex workers want and need in a post-decrim Canada: http://rabble.ca/columnists/2013/04/sex-workers-are-coming

I think that one thing to keep in mind is that most providers who ask for a reference also have alternative screening methods if a reference isn't possible. So it's not quite the roadblock some have made it out to be. I would also say that it is not the case that providers who ask for a reference are not also paying attention to tone, manner, wording, etc. I do not believe most SPs substitute a reference for their own impressions, so I find it odd that it's presented as though there's this dichotomy - either she uses her gut or gets a reference. A reference isn't an excuse not to think for yourself. I'm sure most girls know that. But as to why they would be requested at all, I think that a very good explanation has been given already for why travelling providers use them, but I would also point out that references can be very helpful to someone new to the industry. It's fine to say that we can go by our gut alone, but generally it takes some experience to hone our instinct. Instinct is not some magical talent that some people have, it's not a sixth sense. It is data gathering and pattern recognition most of the time. It takes time to gather enough data to start spotting patterns and figuring out what sounds like a time-waster and who sounds like bad news. We've all interacted with people all our lives so we don't come at this with no data. But for most girls this is still a new way of interacting with people so they need time to learn. In the meantime, references are a second opinion that can help you figure out if your impressions are correct or not. I know that some people are proponents of the school of hard-knocks, but I think in this business the knocks can be pretty hard. For those who are not so new that continue to ask for references, I would simply say why not, if it has always worked for them? For many gentleman, obviously, it is not seen a hoop to jump through so there is no particular reason for them to change a working model. And, as I mentioned, most will offer to screen by more old-school methods if a reference isn't available. But honestly, the whole debate about references only applies to providers who do advance bookings. I don't see how a provider who takes short-notice bookings could ever be expected to contact and hear back from a reference in time. So I think there are just as many valid arguments to be made for not using a reference. I don't think anyone should be judged for using references, as though they are failing to use their own good sense and are making clients jump through hoops, nor do I believe it's ever fair to insinuate that a provider who doesn't require them is being reckless. I also believe that there are reasons a provider would choose not to give references as a policy. I won't go into them in detail, some have been mentioned, but I don't think it's really necessary to defend. CERB is very positive and I love that things can be discussed and debated but I get a bit frustrated, or maybe dismayed, to see people put down for their preferred (and effective) methods of screening a client.