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Thanks to everyone for supporting my recent twitter campaign "Followers for Food" which ended yesterday. From Ocotber 4 to November 4 I pledged to donate $10 for every new follower to my twitter feed @cowboykenny. Followers to my twitter feed are alerted first when new posts go up and from time to time I share pearls of wisdom and chuckles through out the day. I'm happy to say that I have 26 new followers which amounts to a 260 dollar donation to the Ottawa Food Bank, the equivalent of 50 spaghetti dinners and 30 after school snacks or 8 cases of eggs. In fact because of the buying power the food bank has along with the support of corporate sponsors each dollar dollar donated has the equivalent of 5 dollars, so the $260 donation actually amounts to $ 1300 of nutritious food for Ottawa families , singles and seniors in need. This campaign could not have been any more timelier given this story that came out today but was lost amongst all the hub bub of political scandal; More than 800,000 Canadians still relying on food banks, study shows http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/More+than+Canadians+still+relying+food+banks+study+shows/9124788/story.html Thanks again for helping me help others.

I voted that I will do this for as long as I enjoy it. I really do have a lot of fun, meet some cool people, see some wonderful sights. But it's more than that for me too. I am not a good girlfriend, significant other, whatever. I have a serious issue with compromise, sharing, etc and that's why I live alone. But we all need companionship, we all need to feel needed, and we all need to feel worthwhile. That's why I enjoy it so much. It supplies me with all the companionship I need, I am completely fulfilled knowing I've made someone's day, week, or month a little happier, and I satisfy my need to be needed. You guys are much more than clients to me. You...each and every one of you I've had the pleasure to meet.... are my significant others, even just for a few hours. Love you all xo

A moment there, filmgeek. I think it's pretty clear the OP was just using that as the thread title for the innocent pun. The poll choices being offered make no assertion whatsoever about what anyone's reasons are for being here. If the intent was to find out what a person's reason or goal was, two options probably wouldn't be enough, but if you read again you'll see that's not the purpose here. Besides, if you've read Realnicehat's posts elsewhere you'll know that he in fact agrees with you that the experience can be about more than just the sex (not that someone who does have that as their goal need be judged either, as long as they are respectful).

I had the extreme pleasure of meeting Taylor the other day. When she entered the room she was even more beautiful than her pictures. Her ads and profile have piqued my curiosity for a while now and I'm happy to say that our schedules lined up. Taylor is very easy to talk to and puts you at ease immediately as though you have known her for a long time. She is a very intelligent and enchanting person to have a conversation with. The massage itself was a wonderful experience with a great atmosphere. Taylor was very perceptive and accommodating during our time together and I was impressed by how focused and attentive she was during the session and how natural and genuine she was. I certainly felt great after our time together and was surprised how quickly an hour can pass. I can definitely say that I had a wonderful time that evening and look forward to seeing Taylor again.

This is my career. I didn't start out thinking it would be but it is the path that I have stayed on. I have had times where I left and explored what the rest of the world lives like and I have always chosen to return because I just don't fit in the square world and I'm good with that. It started out as a means to an end when I was 18 but when I returned years later, again as a means; the end was a very long way off so I put on my big girl panties and made a commitment to honour my responsibilities and I'm not yet there and still here. I now realize that even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would still entertain. It justifies in my mind what I spend on lingerie, shoes, nails and scotch! Joking aside, like Jessica I am not a good monogamous SO and I recognize that. My work allows me to stay balanced and whole while taking care of those that I love... cat

I looked at the poll as well and agree that no apology is needed. It's a delicate and fine line when people may take things out of context or read it another way. I know looking at your history that your posts are written with the most respect and integrity. There are those that don't post for these reasons and it's better to keep going as you're a valuable contributor to this board. I've been both the lurker and poster through my time and have felt ok with both. There's been times I have said something and then I think about it too much wondering if someone may have read my words the wrong way? We can't please everyone. Jabba and Vitto said it perfectly as I ramble on.... :)

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As a provider, I need a way to vote for both options! I love this work and will probably always do it for as long as people will continue to pay me, but I also have goals that this work facilitates (eg getting a PhD).

Growing up my family always had Christmas dinner at breakfast time. We opened presents, then my aunts, uncles and cousins would come over for Christmas breakfast. There would be all kinds of food. what I remember most is the steak and eggs, croissants filled with ham and eggs, French toast, homemade hash browns and fresh homemade bread. Last year I had alot of family coming to my house for Christmas dinner so I decided to make it all BBQ food. We had ribs, steak, chicken, potatoes and I even did the veggies on the bbq. I also used the smoker to make all kinds of smoked cheeses and smoked meats for the kids to have. It was such a hit that I've been asked to do it again this year :)

There will be a stigma until the stigmatized have the courage to change it......and that will not happen any time soon. Peace MG

Cool poll! I think there's an option that slips through the cracks though, and has one foot in each of your two options: the guy who would like to retire in principle, but whose circumstances make it unlikely he ever will. Best example is a married guy in an unhappy and sexless marriage who feels he will never leave (for whatever reason) and so will continue finding some joy and comfort with paid companions forever... but would in principle prefer to be working toward another goal and finding what he seeks in conventional relationships and then stick with that. Which option does he choose? He won't be retiring, so a); but he'd like to in principle, so b). So I guess "I love it and see no reason to retire" is overloaded with concepts. Not retiring may not have to do with unreservedly loving the "hobby", nor an inability to conceive of a reason to do so. Lest you think this is autobiographical, I'm not married by the way. Just thinking out loud. :)

Nathalie, I am surprised to learn of john sweeps in Canada not involving outdoor or public venues (such as massage parlours and strip clubs). I guess I'd better google that. I agree that it would be disastrous if the Swedish model were embraced by Canada, but I think the only thing that will defeat that, in any country, is the court. I have lost faith in the belief of destigmatization. As we see with the issue of race south of the border, no matter how hard you try to combat certain prejudices, you only succeed in driving them underground. Familiarity is the only thing that successfully defeats stigma, and if more customers were willing to be open with their families, friends and colleagues about being customers, then that might actually succeed in changing the most minds. Few customers are in a position to do that, though. Not because they fear the stigma, but because it would create serious complications. It's very hard to destigmatize a group that hides its face. For sure, when people ask me, I tell them that the only men I see are decent guys who I'm proud to know. But it's not like I can say, "For example, you know so-and-so? Well, he's my client." We can make the claim, but we can provide no evidence to back it up.

JoyfulC, I understand where you're coming from, but I think the stigmatization of clients has another effect that we aren't taking into consideration here. When clients are stigmatized, and we don't fight that stigma, it can (and does) lead to their criminalization. There are lots of 'John sweeps' happening in Canada and they don't always happen in the context of outdoor/visible sex work. In Canada we seem to be moving towards a model of regulation that would criminalize the clients of sex workers, but not the sex workers themselves (known as the 'Swedish' model, because this is the system that exists in a lot of Nordik countries). It's easy to criminalize clients if society thinks they're 'gross' (etc). That's another reason why I think it's important to destigmatize clients...

I know some women like to be spanked. But do most woman really like to be spanked. and if so, is it a light playful spank, a medium spank. Or spanking that will leave hand prints on the but. Just curious, I wouldn't like to hurt a woman, unless it really turns them on? But I could never really do more then a playful spank. Just like to get your opinion?

All I can say is that I am pissed with myself for not booking with Mandy66 earlier! Just amazing!

Whoooohooo. Way to go beautiful lady. You define the word "passion" and looking forward to more!

Z is for Zaftig ladies.

I understand the need to vent.. but honestly..., liek marriedbutnotdeath said... Things happens... It happens to the best of us... I am sure that it was something out of their control... and this situations should be deal within the 2 parties involved to find a solution... Sometimes is even hard for management to control absolutely everything that goes on... I have to tell you something from experience I have been involved in masaging in different business, and NOTHING.., Nothing compares to managing this kind of stablishmenst... also about only seeing independent MAs and SPs Only... you cant punish other great ladies for the mistake of one person... This kind of situation can be presented with and agency, a spa or an independent... there is no such a rule or something that can prevent this things to happen in any case...

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I have to agree that there was nothing wrong with your post, In my opinion it was rather interesting ... I gave my opinion based in my own perspective.. we are all entited to that .., and that what a discusion board is about... we may all not like a thread because it touches a subject that may be more sensitive for each one of us... In those cases I just reserve my opinion and let it go... In My opinion you do not need to apologize

I so admire those who use this as a profession to achieve another goal-eg: Berlin attaining her phd. That is inspirational, admirable and commendable. I on the other hand, lol, do this as a form of dating, supplying my need for some excitement, kink, in a sense. I don't need this to support myself or my lifestyle. However it does provide me with monies to support some of my favorite animal charities, so I guess to continue giving to them I would need the extra income from this:) I don't see myself retiring or stopping anytime soon, but life can throw us curves so one day at a time:)

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We are trying a "Trial Run" to allow links and references to BP and CL cause we want to help keep people away from the bad apples and to increase popularity on cerb (across the country). So for a trial period the censors have been removed to link to www.craigslist.org and www.backpage.com Hopefully no one abuses this! We DO NOT want to see advertisers posting links to ads on BP or CL (Or any other directory other then EC & the approved directories). This would end in EC revoking permission to allow these links.

I'm so very sorry this happened to you and I wish it was easier and less complicated to report these individuals to the police as it's those types that make a lot of men shy away from using the services of other reputable service providers. This was outright theft and they should be ashamed, but they will get what's coming to them-Karma does come back around!!

Welcome to cerb. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 GFE and PSE are "STYLES of SERVICE" and not actual services!! You CAN NOT assume PSE or GFE include any specific services. STYLES.... Mechanical Style: This means no chemistry and just what it is (Sex) no illusion of lust or passion. GFE: Girl friend experience (Does not include specific services) this is a style of date where chemistry is tried to be created, feelings of lust and passion. Usually includes kissing and a more intimate fantasy. The lady appears (and often is) genuinely interested in pleasing you and often enjoys being pleasured as well. PSE: Porn star experience (Does not include specific services) this is also a style of date. It is not a romantic/passion/chemistry type encounter it is like what you see in the porn movies (A little dirty and hardcore) SAFE PSE/GFE: means condoms are used for oral sex (and possibly DATY protection is used) - Some girlfriends and porn stars insist on condoms for everything too guys! CONDOMS are used IN ALL STYLES (Some people assume condoms are not used with these styles as often real girl friends and porn stars do not use condoms). DO NOT ASSUME THIS AS YOU WOULD BE VERY WRONG - IT IS UNSAFE TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX! You guys who assume services are included in these styles are setting yourself up to be let down. Just because one lady offers specific services (and possibly markets it as GFE/PSE does not mean the next lady will offer the same services. They are usually similar as a really good GFE would include kissing, bbbj and some touching and rubbing to build chemistry and fantasy. If you feel she is actually attracted to you and into the encounter she may be (or she may be VERY good at her job - just go with it!) Don't EXPECT any services - always ask or research first and if you show up with bad breath, rotten teeth, bad hygiene or dressed like a bum chances are you are going to be even more disappointed. In Addition: One of the ladies PM'd me to mention that one of the reasons ladies may not kiss is from being unshaven. A lot of stubble can do a girl some major damage. I would assume this to be true with DATY as well with some. Your second question - no it is not considered rude to ask about specific services. Just remember however, do your research first. If she has a profile or website spelling out her services, and you then go ahead and ask her if she provides a specific service that she has already stated she does not provide, then it would be considered rude imo. If she clearly states "no anal", and you then ask her "hey can I fuck you up the ass", you will probably be met with silence. So, do your research first. Good luck!

Further to what Vitto answered, there is a thread on what GFE-PSE means (but she has summed it up well) : http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 Can't add much more than what Vitto posted, at the moment. And welcome to CERB, by the way!

In relation to the terms I think they are pretty muxh self explanatory.. GFE : Girlfriend Experience.. you can say a more intimate encounter PSE Porno Star Experience.. a wild experience... things taken out of a porno Asking for services offered is not rude... communication is the key.. but make sure that before you contact the lady in question you read and inform yourself.. most of the time services and restrictions are on their website (if they have one), their advertising and or profiles... also refer to their recommendations as they can also help you find out what to expect from an encounter...

Really, that question is equally applicable to companions (SPs/MA) and Clients if you think about it. Etiquette as noted by Nathalie is to not acknowledge a lady or gentleman if you run into her/him outside of an encounter. Just walk by each other and pretend you don't know one another. Ladies shouldn't worry about clients outing them. And guys shouldn't worry about ladies outing them either We all respect (or should respect) that we all have lives outside this lifestyle and it should be respected RG

I think everyone goes out sometimes. I'm not sure what let loose means but I don't think anyone prevents themselves from living because they are an SP or an MA. It's a rule that if you recognize an SP or MA while you're out and about that you don't approach them, the same goes for an SP or MA who recognizes a client out in public. We keep our distance, pretend we don't know each other, and perhaps send a PM or an e-mail to be like "Hey! I saw you!" in a not-so-creepy way ;) Alternatively, (and if more appropriate), you don't e-mail or PM at all... especially if there wasn't mutual recognition or you've never met the person privately.

I did it all.... masturbated, snuggled with dogs, listen to my fav CD, did something good for another person, cried then had a tea:) Now glass of Pinot Girgio:) Thanks everyone, your so awesome!!!

Brad, there's how things should be and there's how things are. We all want progress, and a wise person knows that pressure for progress must be applied prudently, or it can result in a backlash. I thought we were living in a country where individual rights were balanced very well against community interests. I have been living and working in Canada since 1982, and have had almost no problems resulting from unjust laws or overzealous enforcement. Quite the opposite! So why rail and stomp our feet if there isn't a problem? I doubt there's much sympathy these days for the plight of internet advertising prostitutes and their customers in Canada. We're not exactly hard done by. Discretion is important, of course, but I think a huge part of discretion is knowing what the stigma looks like and looking like anything but. This is why I get so annoyed with these guys who try to "be discreet" by parking a couple blocks away and sneaking over on foot. That plays right into the stigma, and while it might be done with the intention of being discreet, it is actually indiscreet. It may be counterintuitive to some, but parking right out front and striding up and knocking on the door like you have every business being here is actually the most discreet thing to do, and attracts the least attention and curiosity. We can use the stigma to our advantage by letting people focus on it instead of on us. It protects our privacy. The only thing that I find sad is when I see an SP or a customer embracing the stigma. I have had customers ask me how I deal with dirty or rude or rough customers. Don't they see that I don't deal with people like that at all? Do they think they're the only decent guy I know? I don't encounter many of such people, but I have heard that some customers assume that all SPs are on drugs (I have known very few who use at all, much less more than on an odd occasion) or are all single mothers on welfare. I've heard SPs over the years make remarks to suggest that they think customers have to pay because they couldn't get laid otherwise. We don't see that much of those attitudes here on CERB, and when we do see it, it's usually nipped in the bud pretty quickly. That's the best type of progress I see!

Elaine is a legit, indy. Petite, slender, well maintained. Her location is OK for convenience and discrete enough. She has a massage table set up in what looks like a breakfast nook. Her style is soothing, smooth and sensual. The emphasis is on relaxation and not on karate chops or spinal alignment. She has a soft, light touch and her two hands never stop moving and tracing over your skin. Additional Comments: Oops, I should clarify that I meant "legit" in the sense of not being a scam, and honestly getting what you paid for. Not in the sense of therapeutic or insurance receipt

Years ago, as a young woman in my 20s, I was standing in the packing area at a drop zone, talking to some people I didn't know. One person noted that I had a pager (we didn't have cell phones way back when), and asked me what I did for a living that I needed to carry a pager. I replied that I was a call girl. Everybody laughed and wanted to know what I really did. So I said I was an obstetrician and I was on-call. They readily bought that. Another time, a jumper's wife made a rare visit to the DZ one weekend, and was talking with us girls. At some point, we found ourselves alone and she had questions about E, another jumper. Her husband had told her that there was a prostitute jumping at the DZ, and she assumed it was E. E did her hair and applied make-up in the morning at the DZ. E wore sexy clothing and even a sexy jumpsuit. She was flirtatious. You should have seen her face when I explained that E worked for one of the hospitals in Toronto, and I was the prostitute. No one hates the damned stigmas more than I do, but I also recognize that they protect us. I don't really look or act like what people expect a prostitute to look like or act like, except when I'm in a session. My customers don't look like what most people expect customers to look like. This allows us to walk free, with invisibility cloaks, unseen and unbothered by those who might bother us if they were able to see us. Perhaps for single customers, it's more important to be able to come out and not be negatively judged for using the services of. Most of the men I've entertained over the years have been married men, men in position of trust in the businesses or communities, and for them, complete secrecy was probably more important than feeling understood by society. We know the stigma is way wrong. And we know that stigmas often are way wrong. Isn't that good enough? Many of us have had people in our lives who knew who we were, and I think we've been able to challenge some notions on a person-by-person basis. But hey! We're up against Hollywood.

Im going to try to bring the ball back around here. While everybody has a "type" that may make them tingle; not all is based on looks. Obviously. I learned a long time ago that everybody has something to bring to the table that is sexy and sensual. Be it personality, or a wonderful smile or respect, handsome hands, whatever. Example...when I was in my 20's I thought David Lee Roth was da bomb; until he opened his mouth in an interview. Any sexy in him went right out the window. That taught me a lot in judging what I personally find attractive in a person. I am a Nudist at heart, and have belonged to a club long before there were many. When you have been around as many naked people as I have, you learn pretty quick not to buy into the poster people. They are not real. Airbrushed, coiffed, make up, graphic manipulation, all add up to what you see. Yes some people are generally more physically attractive that others; but that does not make others non attractive. Perhaps I have become a realist where the human body is concerned. In my opinion everyone has something about them that one can find "sexy" or "attractive". To me it's also a package deal. The whole enchilada describes who a person is rather than looks. When one is young, people tend to buy into the poster people. But maturity and real life usually soon dispel that. I was considered cute at that age and was pretty popular. Cute usually doesn't last beyond 30 imo. Age and illness has changed my looks, but I am no less comfortable in my skin now than then. And how I view peoples sensuality abruptly changed with the David Lee Roth experience. I also belong to an historical group. Something that hit me very profoundly one day was a bigger woman saying why she loved dressing up and being in this club. She said it made her feel pretty. That stunned me as I always thought she was anyway. But her perception of her own self was rather skewed in that she still thought of herself as unsexy and unattractive when not wearing the pretty clothes. How does one tell that woman that you are beautiful, clothing or not? You can't. That is their own journey. I am in complete agreement here with Nathalie. There is always something. And it doesn't take long to figure it out. Intimacy is arousing, being treated well is arousing, men who actually care for me as a person is arousing. Those are the men that I personally want to come back. Because it is, to some of us, more than just sex.

It's a good point -- but I think that in every case the high-profile figure is cheapened and tarnished by the association. He drops a couple of rungs down the ladder. It's just that his other obvious assets of money or power are strong enough to keep him pretty high despite this. In essence, "he's rich but suffers from a sad compulsion." More generally, and not really directed at your specific post: So why are men stigmatized in the first place when found out to be sex work clients? It's because of that central role sex has in the historical, conservative underpinnings of our culture: it's one of the primary currencies for measuring people's level of success. - Men who are accomplished are "supposed to" have easy access to sex being offered from adoring women who respond to his success and power. If he doesn't have that, then he must not be successful. And if he's paying for it, he must not have any other access to it -- there's something wrong with him. - Women are expected to hold their sex in reserve as precious currency to secure marriage. If she's spending it too freely, she's cheapened; and worse, if she's selling it, she must be desperate, like pawning irreplaceable heirlooms. These ideas look silly spelled out like that, but they really do hold powerful, often unspoken yet deeply held authority in our sexually conflicted culture. Plus, what exposure do most people have to the industry? Only the media's portrayal, which condemns it with one hand (sex! exploitation! desperation!) at the same time it uses the sexual allure to draws viewers with its titillating side ("Look at those fishnet stockings! Tsk tsk. ...mmmm..."). It's hard to blame people who have nothing else to go on. I think the thing I'd say to try to address the stigma is EXACTLY what Nathalie did so wisely in her first post: "these are the very same guys you know in your own life, and there's nothing wrong with them. It's not the clients (or SPs) that are faulty; it's your own ideas about sex and sex work."

Nat, There are so many falsehoods that surround this business on both sides. Quiet frankly , in my everyday life I'm quite sure that nobody would surmise that I choose to enjoy the company of companions. I don't have that "seedy" factor that many wrongly assume about clients and companions. I take my small kids who I adore to swimming lessons and sit with all the other parents waiting for my daughter at her dance lessons. I always make sure that whenever possible I'm home to brush my kids teeth, read them their story and put them to bed. I'm silly and can reduce myself to a child to play with them and relate to the world on their level. I'm an excellent Dad. I'm at the top of my profession, wear a suit almost every day and day in, day out I professionally present the image of walking the straight and narrow. Despite the irony, I am an excellent supportive husband that actually worships his wife and thanks the stars every day that she is in my life. I volunteer for charities, play music and sing at old age homes to entertain throughout the year in an attempt to just contribute a little bit more. To the outside world I present the epitome of having my life together. I'm sure I'm not alone in this there are other clients who's own story mirrors mine. Just as you state many of us clients are in fact just "real everyday people". We all have our own personal reasons why we choose to enjoy the company of companions but for many of us that reason is not that, "nobody else would have sex with us unless paid". It's so much more broad and can't just be reduced to "dollars for sex". Yes there is sex, but in my case it's more about an aspect of intimacy and closeness that I crave and sometimes that's just simply the sensation of a beautiful ladies hand in mine as we lay together. Beautiful, simple and definitely not "gross". I don't know if I explained myself or my thoughts properly but it can just be summed up by saying, "I'm an everyday real man".

I have seen her..stunning beauty...

Don't know the answer, but here is a link to a previous posting about her. Maybe they can help you. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124494&highlight=sarah

She is very friendly, bubbly and up beat. Pictures are accurate and she also offers a very extensive menu of options. Was a lot of fun....

I met with Julez over the summer and she is as advertised. Very cute, sweet, friendly, sexy and skilled.