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A special..it's a fake ad..My fees are on my website and in my ads here Since this morning I have received a lot of texts and emails for " my special at 80/hh 160/h for newfies" I have requested the admin to remove that fake ad without any success at this time Again this is a fake ad posted by a lady..My fees on my ads here and website is what is accurate plus I would never use the word newfies Again my apologies for anyone that got mislead by that fake ad VJ

1. You don't 2. Like you want to pay for the (free) test available to everyone? how's that going to work. You understand it takes a week for results, during which time sps are seeing other clients? Or are you saying you are willing to take her out of the work place, paying for her entire week's income while you both wait for the results. And when you do get them/see them, what is the kind of services you expect now that you 'know'. Oh and, what are you doing during all this wait time?? Got your results in hand, and a guarantee of not doing or seeing anyone? 3. NO, no amount of advice on how to 'get it done' will replace my answer #2 lol 4. I hope not. It is a very manipulative thing for any client to require, and a very useless thing for an sp to present anyway (see #2) When was your last test, and what is your sexual history since then btw, and going back to #2 what kind of services are you expecting from this sp with the clean test results?

Absolutely inappropriate and insulting if you asked a lady for her test results, or if she is D&D free. Just as it would be equally inappropriate and insulting for her to ask you for your test results and if you are D&D free YOUR SEXUAL HEALTH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILTY Up to you to get yourself tested But asking a lady about her test results and health status will likely end up in you being declined a date RG

I may have missed the point of this thread but I kinda thought that no one was saying there should be a forced set price that everyone had to follow just sort of suggesting that it was probably in the interest of all SP'S that rates remain high and that people don't just start under cutting each other. I don't think any set rate would ever work and there is way to many reasons why people set the rates they do to expect uniformity... i fully agree that each SP has to set their own rate but reminding oneself that the rate you set may affect others is not necessarily a bad thing either. Just my opinion.

That would be a very, very good idea. Not to set or enforce prices; but to provide support to every single provider, so that they can be informed and market-savvy and each set the highest price that works for them.

Hmmm. A visit to the doctor for blood tests every 3-6 months could potentially result in a 3-6 month backlog of people that the Health Department has to call on your behalf. This will not look good on a resume. In Vegas. England, etc. the trip to the doctor is made once a month, if not more often (I have heard of once a week). My MD is very supportive, and once a month - or less - is no problem. I personally would be very cautious about a new client demanding BBBJ's during the first few visits. It's not the only fun with your gun. I want to have a limited number of clients and let things evolve. Besides, there are some very creative and salacious activities one can enjoy with a covered cap......but that's another thread! Cheers, Ann

Lots of great advice on this thread. If you have a good, sex positive doctor then absolutely, talk to them about STI risks. Just be aware that not all doctors are sex positive and many of them are woefully misinformed about sexual health (70 years old, hasn't read a damned thing about sexual health since med school), and so your doctor might actually not be the best source of info when it comes to sexual health. I would suggest going down to Nine Circles for testing and having a chat with an STI nurse about your concerns. You an also call the Sexual Health Info Line, which is staffed by Health Educators. It's confidential and they'll answer any sexual health questions you might have. (I can't get their site to load right now, but the number can be found at ninecircles.ca) I really think there's a lot of value in talking to a sex positive health professional, in addition to doing your own reading on the internet. Because written information is usually presented in isolation, and risk are talked about in percentages or even worse, vague terms ("high"... "low"... what do those actually mean?) it can be really hard to put things in perspective and figure out how to view risks around sexual health in a reality centred way. I very often see people either dismissing risks or getting far more stressed out and fearful about them than they need to be.

:boobeyes:So yeah...naughty sites so my own fault. Got a popup that looked exactly like a legit Microsoft box. It said a program wanted to change Windows file run dot dll. Strangely it said the author was certified to be Microsoft. Good thing I did not click "Yes"!!! The window would not go away even though I clicked "No" and tried closing the box. suddenly up pops a new page...the notorious spoof police page that says your computer is now locked and you need to pay a fine of $100 to unlock it. It looks fairly official and might scare some into sending the money. Lots of police logos and Criminal Code quotes about forbidden content etc. There is no way to close the page. Your comp IS locked. I unplugged my internet connection PHYSICALLY and turned of the computer with the on/off switch. Turned on and ran every antivirus onboard, no sign of any threat. Machine is running fine now, or so it seems. Takeaway from this is: 1: if you get a popup about making changes to run dot dll immediately disconnect your machine from the net. 2: never use wifi for any dodgy sites. NEVER. If I had been using wifi I would not have been able to disconnect because the computer was locked. 3: have another comp you can use to change all your passwords to accounts. If mine is still hacked I can at least reformat. I am a bit worried that the virus might catch my passwords so will reformat. When I started up I got a box saying that the crd dot dll file could not be found, another box that the crd program could not start. These are the programs the hackers use to collect your money. So hopefully their program was not fully installed. Effin hackers. :spank:

Just to chime in here for a quick second. I normally will exchange numbers to text and book an appointment, my latest arrangements were through email only, and I can honestly say, it has been a first in the longest time. It worked out perfectly, even right to the 5 minute mark before the appointment to get proper instructions for room number etc etc. In today's world everyone has a smart phone, probably with email, so it works just as efficient as texting. I have never had an issue, furthermore, I won't get uptight if there is no response after my first sent email, as some or most ladies have other jobs/school OR that they are busy with their own life. The key is to be polite, word your words properly, and things always work out if you act like a gentleman by your first impressions.

Call me naive if you want but I would think that if there was any health issues that could be passed along to the gentleman, I would hope the lady would bring it up. The same for the gentleman visiting... If he had any issues I would hope that he let the lady know about it. STD, hepatitis etc.... I believe that we trust each other enough without having to see any health certificate or other health form.... Just saying!

I personally, as a cbj provider, a cbj advertiser, and giving a cbj on first visits, resent being asked this before, during or after a session, or even as a prelude to booking a 2nd appt, like when someone calls to see if i'm available, sets up an appt, and while on the phone might ask this. It is a clear case, to me, of carrot dangling, a lure that this guy is not going to show up or book another appt unless they get that bbbj. if you see someone who advertises cbj, and provided it in session, without the pressure of someone asking for more and possibly doing it out of concern for losing the appt, don't ever ask for more. An sp who makes exceptions will let you know. If you expect or need more than what is freely provided, just do not book the appt in the first place if you expect that her advertised restrictions are not restrictions at all.

Another tech tip for you... ALT+F4 will close the current window. Most of those pop up viruses/malware will run whether you click yes, no or the X. So don't do any of the above. Press Alt-F4 and voila. Window gone. You're welcome. Happy porn-ing!!!!

Absolutely ask! It is indeed down to scheduling: she may have other bookings or she may be able to spend more time with you. Don't know if you don't ask! :)

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Hmm, in a way I could say it also doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd mean it in the same way others have said. For me I don't have a preference between tall or short because I find each very attractive in different ways. I'm on the lean side but quite tall myself, and having a lady that actually comes close to my height is a thrill. There's something nice about not having to hunch over to enjoy a kiss, to wrap your arms around someone and feel them pressing along your whole body, and who wouldn't want a little extra leg to explore? But there's also something I find alluring about shorter ladies as well that I can't quite put my finger on. It's just a different sort of appeal but just as strong. In any event, I wouldn't say height is the prime factor in my attraction. I've found, for me, that whatever a person's body type there is invariably something (or somethings!) appealing and desirable, and each can be so much fun. And at the end of the day there's no one thing that makes a person more attractive and sexy than the right attitude (though I'm shallow enough to admit that I don't mind if that good personality happens to be matched by nice breasts... :redface:).

I had the pleasure visiting Delilah, again. The passion, lust, the erotic pleasure, that we had the first time, quickly grew into a very hot, raw session this second time around. I had a dream, a fantasy of sorts about us, I told Delilah through email, that dream,fantasy. It was played out, I kinda caught her off guard when I told her to go ahead and open some small gifts and a Easter card. My fantasy,dream had so much sexual desire, there is nothing like playing out a scene that you have in your head, and it becomes reality especially with a beautiful looking woman. Small hint, as I pushed her up against the wall, and ripped down her panties... :) I will leave the rest to your imagination, all I know is this, I will and have a smile on my face, and Im sure that it will remain for the long week-end. I look forward to our next time together as apparently Delilah has something planned for myself. ;) Thanks again Delilah, it was pure pleasure.

I was going to write something about compassion and this industry, above and beyond free market theory, and then MigthyPen said it more eloquently than I could ever do. I, too, believe compassion should be a part of this industry and our topics of discussion.

We are independent contractors. Unless you are with an agency or a pimp. Other independent contractors have similar issues with undercutting prices.. Ask anyone who works in a trade. Be it painting houses, paving driveways, building a deck... Even holistic practitioners, massage therapists, hair dressers... I'm quite sure there's no union or industry minimum for those and several other independent contractor jobs. The proposition of an industry standard is the pipe dream.. very unrealistic in my opinion. One of the best parts of my job is that I'm completely my own boss.... I do not want anyone dictating to me that I can't work for my own set price that I decide I am choosing. While I have chosen a minimum time that I will book for a client of 30 min.. I have in the past done 15 min appts. I even have had one regular who after booking his initial time for my min came back to see me several times.. but since he was a minimum wage worker and literally was in and out in one song I didn't have the heart to charge him more than $50.. In a set price model would I have to charge him more now? or do this behind the back of whomever is telling me the price I can charge? THAT right there takes away my freedom to be my own boss. No thanks!

For me, there are a couple different angles to this question. First, there are circumstances that can impact erections and ejaculation. This is more of a norm now than an anomaly. Unfortunately, it depends on the gentleman in question. For me, a session can be about far more than whether you get off or not. Again, this can depend on the gentleman. Some are here to have a great time and get off, some are in it for the connection, snuggles, kisses and the whole gamut of pleasures. If the gentleman is not comfortable with whatever issue might be happening whether medical, age, lack of sleep, stress etc. and make it about cumming, then if it is not achieved, it does make me feel less than stellar. Especially when I know they are disappointed whether it is stated or not. If the gentleman goes with the flow and is comfortable with it and it becomes about more than an orgasm, then as long as he leaves with a smile, I feel good. There are also those who know and/or push their own limits. IE: just one more. If this happens, great but again, if it becomes a case of trying too hard and not achieving then I do feel badly because they are not leaving with a smile. The bottom line is leaving and feeling good. If someone allows an orgasm to impact this then there is a chance they are not leaving happy. I am not going to delude myself that many times, the lady is blamed for that. I know there are ladies who feel they are instruments of pleasure and there to facilitate but not to be responsible for, yet in the situation, it is difficult not to be impacted by normal human emotions. Personally, if someone is comfortable in their own body and the good and bad that comes with that, whether you can or can't has no impact on my view of them. People and sex are about more than an orgasm.

One thing that really shocks me is that when I get tested every 3 months if not more if I feel there might have been a risk, I put the results of my test on the bed for a while and the gentlemen cumming at my place don't even take a look at it and put the paper aside!!!!!!!!!! Now that strucked me!!!! Anyway as some ladies R saying one day U can be cleaned and the other U catch something that will take time to show up. But SPs R definitely the cleanest ladies U can find darling! We care about our bodies very much since our profession depends on being clean to be able to work again and keep our clientèle wether it be regulars or new cummers chéri. Wishing U lots of safe fun babe!

A clean bbbj is an oxymoron. Mouths are notoriously full of all kinds of microscopic wigglies. There are many providers to choose from who offer the service; many of them will be std/sti free but you can't tell who is and who isn't. There is no "on the spot" test to see if at this moment something lurks in her throat. Christy is right, this is something you have to educate yourself on. Speak with your doctor, read the public health information and then think on the best choice for your situation. What I will suggest is that when you find the provider, don't ask "Are you clean?". It's not a good way to start off an experience. My second suggestion is that when the "Oh my God, what have I done?" wave hits you afterwards, don't contact your provider asking if you should go get tested... cat

What a perfect way to start your week but to be in arms of a gorgeous lady, and after some great communication back and forth last week, Beautiful Delilah and myself booked our 2 hour session for this morning. Delilah capture my eyes and mind,by her erotic photos,but most of all through our discussions we enjoyed a lot same things. Once I walked through her door this morning I knew that my heart/mind was so correct, Delilah is beautiful, in fact she is drop dead gorgeous, and has one very sexy body. Her smile can light up a room her eyes mesmerizing,her voice gentle but yet strong at times ;) She had me very excited and I was hooked on her looks, and her demeanor throughout our great session. Delilah is very passionate,and I loved exploring her body,and kissing her soft lips,it was rewarding to see her enjoy the foreplay of me exploring her sweet sexy desirable body. We spent the next 2 hours, exploring our desires, it was so sensual and so erotic. Delilah is confident,classy,intoxicating,hot and breathtaking ;), and she certainly knew how to arouse my senses, it was Monday April 7,2014 a date that I will not forget, as it will be in my memory until the next time I visit the Beautiful Delilah. Thanks Delilah, you are a genuine classy lady.

Wishing my cerb friends and correspondents a very happy and enjoyable Easter weekend. Let's celebrate springtime! Flowers, birds, miniskirts, booty shorts :)

Why?...... Well, why not! But, WHY?

The reality of this industry is that you will run into people who are not advertising honestly. I firmly believe that just like a lady has every right to end an appointment with a gentleman, the gentleman also has that right. We're all human beings, and we all have feelings which can be hurt. Just like it stings a gentleman when a lady refuses him (even the ones who deserve it are often oblivious to what they did and can feel spurned), it can sting a lady when a gentleman refuses them, regardless of the reason. Be tactful, be polite and don't be demeaning or accusatory - that never leads anywhere good. Best thing to do is to be honest but tactful. If she's not as advertised, simply tell her you were expecting something different, and that you do not wish to see her. In some cases, it is helpful (depending on the circumstance) to offer a nominal fee as a sort-of peace offering. This isn't required (and if it is, usually a lady will have it on her website that there is a cancellation fee), but it can go a long way to diffuse a situation that seems to be going downhill fast. Use your judgment with this.

Actually there are lists like that all over the place. There's probably dozens of them just on this site! You know what would be great? If guys would READ those lists and follow them!

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Funny ... I have no recollection of you being taller than me. I think I was mesmerized by other features besides your height.

Does not really matter to me if the lady is tall or short... i am 5' 11" so most ladies I meet are shorter than me... from a purely physical perspective I think the overall proportionality of the ladies body is more important than just he height. More important than the ladies physical attributes for me is the connection i have with the lady... if we click and are comfortable with each other it us way more important than pure looks. Now all that said lololol a beautiful tall lady in heels that make her ass look even more amazing does do something for me. Just my opinion.

I've been reading this thread closely and, while the discussion has been frank, sometimes blunt, and there are strong and conflicting opinions, it's been pretty civil. It's been valuable to me to read these different yet honest views of real, live women who do sex work for a living and each know what they're talking about. Although I can see how this might make some people (especially consumers) uncomfortable, I disagree that the discussion is un-CERB-y. A thread whose premise was "Sally X is charging way too little! Let's confront her!" would be bad. A general thread about "hey, how are prices set? How should they be set?" strikes me as smack-bang on topic for the board -- provided it's civil. I think as long as there are informed and respectful viewpoints to share, those inclined to contribute something meaningful should be allowed to do so. For my part: I don't know anything about the experience of being a sex worker so I only have vague concepts to go on. My uninformed feeling is that "enforcement" of prices is bad in principle for a bunch of reasons. But... what about a hypothetical voluntary sex workers' association that reaches out to SPs, invites them to work with their fellow providers, and keeps newbies informed about their options in the business? One that just invites everyone to cooperate to help maximize revenue from a very human and intimate service? I'd be cool with that. It would have problems and failings of its own, but it would have a lot of human merit, too. Open, free markets are sometimes efficient... but they're never, ever wise or compassionate, and some of that is necessary too.

I am often asked my height...when i say 5'6" they reply saying I look taller lol...Maybe because of pictures with shorter ladies and my heels of course which makes me close to 6' I do love to look up to a man but as it was mentionned earlier...horizontaly...you cant tell ;) BJ

I am actually shocked that this thread has been allowed to stay open so long. It is certainly against the spirit of this board. This isn't a reasoned debate it is akin to a bunch of nosy neighbours peeking their heads over a fence and then gossiping about the state of your neighbours yard, complaining about what they are doing in the privacy of their own yard etc. No one has the right to dictate to any provider what they think their rates should be. That is up to the individual provider. They decide what services they offer and at what rate. Face it, this is a business in what is essentially a free-market economy and subject to all the pressures that every other business faces. Despite what the service is, you are still selling a service. You are the provider and you need customers to buy your service. The market decides if the service you are selling is what the consumer wants, and is value for the money. You can charge $400, minimum 2 hour appointment, CBJ, no greek and be happy with that decision. You believe there is a market for that service. It should not matter to you that another provider is doing BBBJ in 15 minute sessions for $80. They feel they too have a market for that service. If either of them don't have clients for their service then maybe they have to look at their business model and adjust. That is how business works in our society. We have had these debates before about rates, BBBJ vs CBJ, sliding rate scales based on service etc. This is not the place for it. It is just collusion in disguise. Setting up a "hooker marketing board" like we do with milk, and eggs etc is not an option, and is a pretty absurd idea. I will say it once again, Nobody has the right to dictate what another can charge for their service. Mind your own business and stop blaming others for your lack of knowledge on the current business climate. If people don't value your service the same way you do, then maybe you should look at alternate types of employment, and not try and stifle your competition.

I wouldn't change a thing. Honesty, i could nit pick over little stupid cosmetic things, but the truth is I love everything about me. I am a woman - a real woman. Not a Barbie doll. If someone doesn't like what they see, they can look elsewhere. I look in the mirror and see a beautiful woman everyday.

What percentage of lottery winners quit their jobs? All sorts of people work because they need the money and would quit if they won the lottery. Sex work is no different.

Thank you for this response! I could not agree more with all you have said.

Regarding the label of cheap... If you went to a restaurant with friends and your bill came out to 36 dollars. If you handed two 20's and sat at the table waiting for your server to get you your two toonies every one of your friends would call you cheap, regardless of what you needed those toonies for. Your server would be standing there with an internal monologue of what did i do to upset this person, or wow this guys is cheap. The question isn't whether you need to pay more or whether anyone can question how you spend your money. If you don't want to pay that extra 5 or 10 then dont give it to her in the first place. Society is full of judgements and expectations, and this would qualify as cheap in most service industries. If you don't want to or cant afford to tip then take the extra diligence to not draw attention to the payment process.

Point taken. I myself used the term 'mortified' in my post. However, that wasn't based on my own judgment of people necessarily, but rather, my own discomfort at having to discuss finances explicitly with clients when we are face-to-face. I have no right to judge anyone. Conversely, many clients do try to get 'deals', or cheaper appointments if they are having financial difficulties. Unfortunately, I can't take responsibility if one of my clients can't afford to see me... It's hard not to get judgmental in this industry when I think of someone asking for change. As others have said, I do think it's the responsibility of the client him or herself to insure they have the appropriate amount. It has never happened to me (thank goodness) and I'm sure I would handle the situation gracefully. But I would be lying if I said it wouldn't throw me off. I'm just being completely honest here. Nat xox Additional Comments: Totally agree re: the labels! I need to park my judgment!

Just popped in my head, but I wonder if those guys that ask for change back are the same type of guys that would complain if the lady is a clock watcher and he only got the time he paid for Just wondering out loud RG

Since the OP is looking for advice at the beginning of his journey, perhaps it would be better to advise him to take a woman's word at face value. Asking an SP for something she clearly states is a no-go is not a good way to begin. Everyone's experience is different but for me, SPs that advertise CBJ are quite handy at getting that hoodie on there before the fun begins. YMMV

It's not an issue of supply and demand, that is a mistake that far too many people make in this business. Supply and demand would apply if we were selling widgets but we are not, we are far more comparable to knowledge workers, this business is all about the individual provider, their particular skill set, 'value added services' and of course relationship selling. Almost every lady has a different business and profit model, see three different ladies and you'll discover three different areas they focus their attention as well as different plans for success. Clients select ladies based on their individual needs and interests, cost is actually a very small factor compared to value. Yes there is a limit to what any individual client will spend but you only have to look at the various business models to know that there are clients in all price ranges and certainly enough to keep any one individual in a price bracket busy. If you feel like you are being undercut then you need to evaluate your own business, see what is comparable in your particular market segment and what sets you apart and focus on that. If you compare yourself to businesses outside of your market then you will always feel like you are on the losing end simply because it's not your market and not your business model. As always I'll use myself as an example, if I compare myself to ladies with rates less than my own I often notice they have a larger client base, work more frequently and have less overhead. There are also a huge number of clients that will see them and will not see me, some because they see no value in the particular date I offer and others because my consideration is simply out of their price range. If I compared my own business to these ladies I would appear to come up lacking in several specific areas, this does not however mean that I am not successful or running an effective business. If I compare myself to the ladies that charge more than I do I find that often they are travelling more (by request) and have a smaller but more loyal client base. Depending on their individual model often their overhead is a little higher and they tend to require far more flexibility in their personal lives - something I do not have. So again on a one to one comparison of any particular area I appear come up lacking but that doesn't take the entire business model into account. What truly matters is does my model work for me? I have enough clients that I am happy, my current model integrates well with my 'outside life' and it allows me both the freedom to pursue other interests without compromising on the things that are important to me when going in to an individual date. You have to compare with other ladies that are in your market, evaluate how your business is working for you and if there are areas you need to improve on. There is always some cross-over in clientele, some people will see me, you and another lady with a consideration that is either higher or lower than ours or perhaps simply has a longer (or shorter) date minimum. That part of the market isn't nearly as big as the people that 'shop' within a particular interest or business model and it's those clients that you focus on, the others will come and go anyway and you generally won't build a loyal clientele out of them.

I'm up front about my height, and, it has never really been an issue. If anything, being somewhat taller seems to bring novel advantages...Given that I almost always greet my clients at the door in 3.5 or 4 inch heels, which bring me to around 6 feet tall, if there have been any comments about my height, it is usually about how turned on these gents feel by my stature....and likely all the much closer my breasts come to their face ;P ...and that goes for clients I have had of all heights. Here and there, I've had a client express relief at my eventually removing my heels, which is also sweet. Recently I did an outcall to visit a gent at his hotel who was around 5 foot 6. at the end of our session, he remarked that, even though he knew he'd be receiving a tallish woman at his door, he found himself astounded at the feeling of my stature in front of him...as he put it, a bit intimidated, but at the same time exhilarated. I adore and can be turned on by men of all heights...and shapes and sizes for that matter.