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SexyLacy, Emily J, and Christycurves... together you have pretty much summed up all a man needs to know to enter into and fully appreciate the interactions between himself and his chosen partner. We, the gentlemen, should all aspire to be the "Mr Wonderful" Lara described in her blog. Thank you Lacy for launching this thread and thank you Emily J for contributing such an excellent find in the blogpost.

My checklist- honesty-you expect it so please give it. punctuality- I am, so please be. discretion-I give it, protect it, so please show me the same . Respect- not just when we are together, but continue to after we part, I will. I think the rest has been covered;)

There is so much I love in life and that makes me smile I could be typing for hours and never cover it all. The one love I will cover is the love of this thread that slows us down for a few minutes and focuses on the positive and wonderful in our lives. There's not enough of that so I love whenever it happens. Thank you :makeout:

I like quickies actually. Think they can be fun and kinky... The only problem with 15 min, I found, was what if it goes to 20 min or 22 min? How do you then stay with in your donation amount? If 15 min is 120, and HH is 160, and you go to 20min, does this now mean donation should be 130? lol....I stick to HH min, as most 15 min do go beyond 15 min anyways, especially when a shower is expected or offered.

I love so some many things, happiness, sunshine, kindness, compassion, generosity, but the most important things are- My parents. No matter how old I get I still think of them as mom and dad and need their support, hugs and kisses. Sadly, I no longer have my dad, I miss him terribly but I know I still have his love and I'm very grateful for having them both. I love my dogs, they are my children as I don't separate human importance over animal. They love me unconditionally and I them. They have emotions, feelings and I respect them and feel sad for those who can't or won't experience the special love and companionship a dog or any pet can give a human. Myself. No one can protect me better than myself, or be a better friend to me. It's taken years, as I've spent many listening to the negative noise of those who I allowed into my life who wanted only negativity for me, those who wanted to cause me harm and prove me unworthy. They have ALL been defeated:) Because I love me and I appreciate and love me for all my good points and bad. I'm certainly not perfect and that's what's so special about me, I'm flawed;) I can admit it, accept it and appreciate it all. To answer why I love those I do, because they love me, support/supported me and give/gave me a reason for being:) That's the core of love, it's unconditional, giving, undefeatable, precious and infinite. My father would have moved oceans for me, defeated any man that caused me harm and wanted nothing from me other than my happiness. How could I not love him:) My dogs don't give a shit about my looks, financial standing, what I'm wearing, smell like, how I talk, no judgements from them at all. They just want me to protect them, feed and shelter them, small price for all they give:) Love is such a wonderful emotion, lucky for those who experience it whether it be with a spouse, so, parent/child, human/pet, friend/friend, oneself, embrace it, share it, after all, we all need it. It makes us whole as people. It's the most precious gift to give and the most hurtful one to loose.

Fair point, however, in none of these examples do i see the sp doing the bbbj based on being asked for it by the client, she has done it voluntarily or offered. That is the point, of all of us cbj advertiser providers. Don't encourage clients to ask, don't ask, and don't expect that all the sps all do it all the time all it takes it to ask. This is the thing that we find offensive. To disrespect the ad and the sp, by this assumption that the ad is somehow a lie. Whether some sps put it in the ad, but provide it anyway is neither here nor there, the post was advising guys to ask for it regardless. The sp will let you know if this is something that is flexible or not, and the ones who are not flexible won't label you as a potential pushy problem client lol I don't know but if it were me as the client, I'd prefer not to be labeled as a potential pushy problem client guy, but more as a guy who doesn't ask for things that haven't been advertised.

Should be allowed back in general discussion area, it gives ALL clients a opportunity to read about important issues within this industry and getting an insight from ALL providers on different issues. It is not advertising, it is issues within the industry. Just saying ;) BTW great article SexyLacy.

I think there's a demand, and a place, for everything from 15 minutes to a week away on vacation. What matters is who is comfortable, and willing, to offer the service and which clients will be good clients no matter the time, or service, involved. I would never want an extended weekend stay with a lady as it's just not something I'm interested in, but I get why some do and think it's great. Although I don't think 15 minutes would be for me, I can see the appeal. Forgetting about all the logistics (time management etc.) behind the possible option, if the same level of respect is present as with the more commonly accepted options, why the hell not. :)

As a fetish companion, much of what makes a good client is the same as for any other service provider, but I do have some different criteria as well. Good clients read my website and include all the information I request in our initial contact. They know what they want and communicate clearly, so I have to do minimal clarification and we can keep our pre-session communication quick and succinct. I want a straight, to the point discussion about specific activities and vibe, since much of what I do is fulfilling very specific fantasies. Punctuality, hygiene, gracefully managing the money and being generally respectful are all important. In person, before we get started, they easily get on the same page with me as far as my in session expectations around communication, safewords and my limits. They honestly answer my questions about health conditions that might cause issues with some activities and what their limits are. In session, my best clients are responsive and communicative. Their body language and noises tell me that they're enjoying themselves. They communicate verbally about what feels good, what hurts too much, if they want more or less. They don't expect me to read their minds, and they understand that even if they're submissive, a hot scene is a collaborative effort, and they can't be a completely passive actor. They have realistic expectations for the session and understand that things may not go exactly the way they do in their fantasies, and that's no ones fault, it's just reality. They're honest about their focus and intention - if they tell me they want to do whatever I want, they're sincere about it and follow through. If they want to do something servicey because it gets them off, they're honest about it and don't pretend that it's actually about my pleasure first. And if they really are wanting to focus on my pleasure, they listen and actually do the things that I find pleasurable, not the things they assume a woman should find pleasurable. My favourite clients also are into the kinks that I want to explore or are into something totally novel that I never get to do. I have fun no matter what, with a good client, but I get giddy with delight when I get to try something new or do my favourite things. Good clients respect my time and don't linger long after our session is done. They have a reasonable idea of what they might need for aftercare and communicate that to me so I can build it into our session time (quick clean up and you're good? 20 minutes of afterglow, cuddling and coming down?) They're warm and interactive after the session and don't seem ashamed or distant (these are valid emotional responses too, particularly since we sometimes explore very taboo stuff, and it doesn't make a person a bad client at all, but it's a difficult response for me, because I want everyone I see to leave feeling amazing.)

While I'm sure politely asking is far from the worst thing a client can do, I can certainly see how it would be annoying to be asked. Think of it from the lady's point of view. You take the time to make your website/ad and put all necessary information in there that you can think of. And then despite doing so people still ask the question. That tells them you either didn't take the time to read their rules or don't believe what they say. Probably not so bad the first or second or fifth time it happens. But I'm sure it gets old fast, and a person gets tired of saying they mean it when they say no. Being put into a position where you have to say no can also be awkward for some people, especially when the question was already answered in the ad. To be fair, I'm sure some ladies don't mind being asked. Personally, I just don't think it's worth the chance at, even unintentionally, offending or annoying someone. While I disagree with your first point I at least understand it and see where you're coming from, but this part doesn't make sense to me at all. I'm sure some people do play around with figures on age and measurements, but you can't seriously equate that to posted rules and restrictions. I mean, using that logic would you also question a lady about her donation amount?

I've never been a fan of the envelope system. I sometimes wonder "Is it just full of Canadian Tire money?" and take a peek, just to be safe..lol I guess some people find it less, crass and feel it's classier? I don't know. As long as you don't show up with a ziploc full of loonies, or whip out your wallet and count it out into my hand (that's a mood killer), I'm fine with no envelope. Kim

I do understand some want a quick rub during lunch break but unfortunately by time we walk up my stairs I unzip your pants that will basically be 15 minutes lol I do offer 30 minute rub and tug for those in a rush but that isn't even enough time to actually chat and enjoy each other I do prefer the hour or longer because its gives us more time to cuddle and have some fun I am all about making that connection with whom I spend time with ... The longer the more enjoyable and more time to explore and ravish each other!

I am having a cup of tea and trying to calm the f*ck down!!! Someone pushed ALL my buttons and tested ALL my boundaries!!!

Such an awesome thread :) I love... My kids...most precious people in my life. they bring joy, laughter, headaches lol...but love every minute :D My parents and siblings...We are always there for each other...priceless! Playing volleyball...been my passion sport for over 35 years... The casino...just love playing cards (mostly poker) I got that from my parents :) The warm sun on my skin...feels so good! I love genuine positive smiling people...makes me smile :) Traveling and meeting new people...makes me feel wealthier! True friends...the ones you know have your back! Smart people...so stimulating...please pick my brains lol Dark chocolate...my weakness! The beach, the ocean...soothing! I love getting a compliment, specially from a total stranger...makes me feel special :) Bianca xxx

A good client to me would be: Please be on time as you would expect me to be (if for whatever reason you cannot make the appointment please give notice for cancellation...Life happens and I truely do understand that) Good hygiene is a must (I always take a shower and brush my teeth before the appointment please do the same...if you need to take a shower you are more than welcome to at my place) Respect! (The upmost important thing on my list) please put the donation in an envelope and place on table before the appointment Good communication and positive vibes always!

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Lots of very judgemental people here... Fact is, some guys don't want to get to know the girls because they have a SO at home. They don't want to develop a friendship, they don't want to hang out. They want sex! That's it. That's all. So maybe a 15 min visit is exactly the right thing. Lets not forget these are business relationships...

Everyone should routinely delete all their messages if possible. Things that are just joking around to you and your friends may look very different to someone else. And they have software that will run a quick check on every one of your contacts. So if any of them are red flagged you will be too. That red flag will stay on your file forever.

To me, 15 minutes would never be enough. I have been requested for 15 minutes to 1/2 hour, but it's just not something that I offer. I did offer them in the past, but found that they had no substance to them, it was just get in, get off, get out, not my style at all. I really like the time I spend with a gentleman to get to know him, talk with him, share thoughts, and a whole lot of fun!, especially the cuddling afterwards, how on earth do you fit that into 15 minutes?

I love Scottish castles. My family roots originated in Scotland. Castles represent luxurious lives of the royal and wealthy. Power and strength are also related with castles. Castles are also places of protection and safety. The romance. Large wood burning fireplaces in every room. The look and feel of the stone, wood plank floors and wood beam ceilings. The beautiful gardens and courtyards. There is always a warm bed for friends and family to rest. The peace and tranquility of the countryside. Secret rooms and passageways. Castles are a reminder of the past; where we came from; and how far we have come. I would love to live in a modern castle like the Darien Castle. http://dantyree.com/plans/darien/ I would have a live-in courtesan to keep me company.

I wasn't going to say anything as I believe to each his own.... but really? 15 minutes.... Two strangers who feel that sudden attraction, in the middle of nowhere! Find, let's get at it and quick... For a meeting with a lady that takes the time to get all done up, attractive, smelling amazing, looking amazing.... Well for me, I want to take the time to speak with her. I want to look at her, listen to her speak and laugh. I want to see her move... I want to really enjoy all she hast to offer. If I want a quick one, well I call upon 'Gertrude'... My right hand as I am right handed!! ;) Just saying!!

The best solution for the SPs who currently advertise CBJ only but usually provide BBBJ would be to advertise "BBBJ (YMMV)", or something to that effect. Unfortunately, few SPs are willing to do that. I suspect it's because they fear problems with clients to whom they don't want to provide BBBJ for hygiene or other reasons. That said, I don't agree with FO that a client who asks a provider who advertises CBJ only is pushy or problematic if he asks politely after the first session, "Would you consider doing BBBJ next time?" All the SP has to do is reply, "No, sorry, it's a strict rule and I don't make exceptions". On the other hand, if the client then attempts to negotiate somehow, that would definitely be pushy. One last note - very few SPs are totally honest about their ages, measurements and weights, so why should they be offended if a client questions other items in their ads such as CBJ only when it's well known that many SPs don't follow what they say about it?

Hmmm 1- Family- because they are so special in your life, especially siblings after us losing both parents in past years, brings everyone together on special occasions. 2- Women- especially those here on this board, as I have made many friendships over the years with them, and have made so many new friends now too. They allow me to explore my sexuality and desires that continues to grow. 3- Travel- love visiting different countries and also traveling within Canada. 4- Flowers- I enjoy gardening, I have a green thumb. 5- Sleeping Naked- just because I can :) 6- Love being Flirtatious- it arouses me, with women here on the board. 7- Love having a lady playing with my nipples- because it excites me;) I get goosebumps from it, the lady can bite,lick,flick,suck, I find it very erotic. 8-Love my 5 k walk in the am, and if I can squeeze in a 5-8 k bike ride in the am as well it's fabulous way to start the day. Cheers! :)

I had another fantastic session with Nikky the lovely Fox today. Oh my goodness, what a sweetheart she was and what work ethics! Let me explain. She was waken up by some construction just above her hotel room early this morning. My appointment was her first and early in the morning. Imagine the pressure and the unpleasantness for her to have to call the front desk to complain and having to change room, pack and unpack, take a shower, and grab something to eat for breakfast ( not even sure she had time for that!). But despite all that, you'd never notice all these hassles she had just gone through. She was fresh as a spring flower! She refused to let anything affect her level of service. With a big sweet smile on her face and wearing a beautiful little tight lingerie, she greeted me with big hugs and tons of dfk's! After giving her the goodies I got from Timmy and presenting her with a little gift, we went almost non-stop with passionate kisses. My, this little sweet goddess can kiss - her lips are so luscious and soft! I almost forgot how good it felt since I hadn't seen her for a while. The endearing part about her is she'd let me know what worked for her, which areas of her body she liked to be kissed, touched and caressed when I was pleasing her, and above all, she'd comment how good I was making her feel! Nikky is such a sweetheart - I will continue to see her for a long time!

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Because you are not an SP- that advertises CBJ only and only provides what she advertises...

A few issues here. First, when you enter a foreign country, you are entering at the discretion of a foreign government. You have no RIGHT of entry. With that in mind, everything on or about your person is subject to scrutiny under the laws of the receiving country. EVERY country has laws regarding the movement of people and goods across international borders. Second, when you enter a foreign country, the standards of law, evidence and reasonable search and seizure are those of the receiving country. You can be as "righteously indignified" as you wish, but it comes down to four words: "Their country, their rules." Last, and probably most important? If you don't want your dirty laundry seen by foreign governments, don't bring it along.

For me that is enough time to answer the door, let the lady in pour the glass of wine and we start the conversation, either getting to know one another if the companion and I don't know each other, or reconnecting if I'm having a encounter with a companion who is more a friend. I personally prefer longer encounters, now I like four hour encounter. And I have had very memorable encounters where roughly two and a half hours of that four hours were spent in the living room of the hotel suite with the lady just reconnecting and enjoying each other's company. So for me, and speaking for me only, a fifteen minute encounter would be a very empty encounter, serving primarily one purpose. That is not to criticize those that seek such encounters out, it's just not for me A rambling RG

Once in a while you come to realize that so many of our members really don't "get" the whole hobby experience, or rather, they understand that there are rules but believe they are somehow exempt. So let's help them. Let's give some handy tips to make this a more wonderful experience for all. This is a pleasant place so let's keep it constructive... and be aware that the rules shouldn't just be for clients, you can also add some helpful tips that may help a new provider too! Here goes: 1. Appointment time is at 2:00 pm, what time do I arrive? Ummmmm. Hmmmmm. What part of 2:00 pm is ambiguous? A 2 o'clock appointment means you are at her door at 2. Not 1:55, not 2:10. It's seems petty but when you screw up her schedule, you may be screwing up MY schedule. I may be the appointment at 3. I have things to do... and my schedule may not be as loosey goosey as yours. I may be using a very small window of time or I may have "commitments" that see me arriving like clockwork elsewhere. Regardless, when the little hand is at 2 and the big hand is at 12, be where you are supposed to be. 2. "I am awesomely wicked good in bed, and I often masturbate to pictures of myself nude, because I am that good looking. Can we negotiate a better rate?" In a word, No. Would you go to a restaurant and say, "I am a really good eater, can I get a better price on that steak?" Would you go to a lawyer and say, "I am an awesome criminal, can you represent me for free?" Would you go to the dentist and say, "My teeth are so bad that you should fix them all for $50!" A service provider gets paid at a set rate because she is a professional. She is good... no, not just good... wickedly awesome good, at what she does. Your part is the compensation, her part is the wicked awesome part. Pay the pretty lady and be happy. 3. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Ever step into an elevator and stand next to someone who smells like they have never met a bar of soap they liked? Ever met someone that looked like they were an extra in the Walking Dead? Have you ever gone into a bathroom after someone and wondered if they ate something dead? Step one. Go to the potty. Do your business. Wipe. Wipe again. Wipe again. and then, wipe again. Do the optical test. Last wipe. Is there any residue? If yes, start over. If no, then proceed to step two. Step Two. Shower. Clean EVERYWHERE. Rinse. Repeat. Did you pay attention to anywhere in particular??? Hmmm??? Go back to those places. Make em sparkle. (at this point I do suggest that artificial glitter is NOT necessary.) Get out of the shower. Towel dry (for pete's sake use a clean towel!)... apply a generous amount of deodorant/anti-perspirant. Brush your teeth. (if additional grooming is required, please do that too.) Step three. Clothing. Go to the place where you keep your clean clothes. No. Not the place where you put the stuff that you THINK you can wear again. The CLEAN clothes. You know that stuff that you just took from the dryer and folded nicely?? That's the stuff. Wear that shit. Uh oh... what if I have to do step one again?? Then repeat ALL the steps. Cuz skidmarks are not sexy. Febreeze showers are not acceptable. 4. I have to cancel, what do I do? Give your head a smack. With a hammer. Stop. Now take a pointy thing and stick it with great force into your upper thigh, avoiding the artery. Now, go to your car. Start it. Open the door, put your foot beneath a tire and have someone put that car in reverse. Cancellations? NOT COOL. We all know that shit happens. A death in the family. A sick kid. Decapitation with farm machinery. Thermonuclear war. Explosion of your planet from a death star ray. That shit is acceptable.... but you still owe the pretty lady an explanation AND a cancellation fee. When you cancel, providers don't eat. When providers don't eat they get distended bellies and look like kids from the CARE commercials. When you cancel, providers give not only you, but also your city, a bad reputation. This makes you masturbate more. Because you will never get laid again. Ever. You will over develop muscles in only one arm. Your clothes will fit poorly. People will figure it out and suspect you are the notorious masturbating king of cancellations. They will hunt you down and kill your family. Let's keep little Bobby and Joanie safe. If you make an appointment, keep that appointment. Your family will love you for it. 5. "I'm a little short on cash. Do you think she will notice if the envelope is a bit short?" In a word, yes. She will also point out that your penis is a bit short.... and that your skill level is a bit short... and that you cry like a bitch when you have your pathetic little man-gasm. Do you want that??? Do YOU WANT THAT, bitch??? Wow. That was a bit over-emphatic. Gonna step away from the computer and take a valium. BACK!!!! Where were we... yes. Shorting your provider. Not COOL. Remember, providers have special powers. They communicate telepathically. As soon as you walk out that door, she will know and so will all of her allies in the super friends. They will combine their superpowers and make sure that you never get wood again.... and if you do, it will be at inappropriate times... like at funerals or family gatherings or when talking to your grandfather or something like that. Seriously?? Give your head a shake. If you are short then GET the money and make sure you have it set aside BEFORE you book. You will have a wickedly awesome good time... just pay the pretty lady what you agreed to and enjoy! 6. Can I pay her in drugs? Hmmmm. Does your banker take drugs in lieu of money? Have you offered Rogers drugs in return for their cable/home phone/cell phone/internet bundle? When you get groceries at Loblaws, do they have a special drawer that says "financial equivalent in drugs?" You know the answer. "No, you addled-pated simpleton." Remember the distended belly part from above? Providers take cash because cash buys groceries, pays bills and looks pretty. Carrying cash will not get you arrested. Using cash is the engine that runs our capitalist society. "All you need is cash, cash is all you need." The Beatles sang that, I think. Your turn....

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I believe if you enjoy watching Hannibal, you might also enjoy watching Bates Motel: "The series, being a "contemporary prequel"[2][3] to Hitchcock's 1960 film Psycho (based on Robert Bloch's novel of the same name), depicts the life of Norman Bates and his mother Norma prior to the events portrayed in Hitchcock's film, albeit in a different fictional town ("White Pine Bay, Oregon," as opposed to the film's "Fairvale, California") and in a modern setting. The series begins after the death of Norma's husband, when she purchases a motel located in a coastal Oregon town so she and Norman can start a new life.[1][4][5]" Another TV show I recently started watching is "The Following". I've only watched the first 3 episodes so far and even though I'm not a fan of Kevin Bacon, I am really liking it. Can't wait to see how this TV show turns out! "The Following's first season centers on former FBI agent Ryan Hardy (Kevin Bacon) and his attempts to re-capture serial killer Joe Carroll (James Purefoy) following the latter's escape from prison. Hardy soon discovers that Carroll has surrounded himself with a group of like-minded individuals, whom he met while teaching and while in prison, and turned them into a cult of fanatical killers, including his right-hand, Emma Hill (Valorie Curry)..."

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I love to roller blade, it helps me to be less stressful also allows me to eat more sweets and chocolate. I love to read and travel, enriches the mind and soul. I love the excitement of knocking on the door of our wonderful ladies here on Cerb especially the first time, it's just friggin awesome, it's just so not me in real life, I love to smile, I'm normally a happy person but it keeps everyone wondering.

Is this the same Maria who used to do indy at "Pinecrest Massage" and worked before that at Michelle's off Donald?

I'm apparently not as good with words as you are. I'm actually rather at a loss for them right now. We are all thinking of you. Even though we haven't met you've influenced me in a way I never expected. Watching this group of people rally around their friend, make jokes, offer support.. You made me see this as a community. Thank you for that. Have a drink for us and enjoy your time with whomever is lucky enough to have you. Maybe two drinks. ..or three.

Love this song, But this group of men do it so well! Sends shivers of joy through out my body! This video shares their strength in a very pure way . Togetherness is what it is all about! I love all the cultural takes of this, how special is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI_0Hyn57Lk

That's pretty decent of you tolerating ladies who have breast implants. I wonder what the ladies have to tolerate RG

There's alot of garbage being layered onto certain sex workers in the industry. There's a dichotomy between the image of the put together worker, self-assured, autonomous, and in control...no mental health or self-esteem issues...acting as her own woman, strong as hell. And, then there's the worker with no business skills, not knowing her worth, with low self-esteem, willing to do God knows what with her body....drugged out, controlled by a pimp, and needing to be managed for her own good. Or, left to her own devices while the rest of "us" supposedly figure out what is 'truly' of benefit to our industry overall. And, then, there's statements being made about who has seen more of the 'exploited', 'messed-up', unfortunate 'ignorant' types', and how that allows one to make potentially more insightful judgement calls about the need to minimum pricing and regulatory measures....and the right to construct prostitute typologies I might add. The dichotomy (between the healthy, competent and knowing sex worker, and the screwed up, pimped druggie with no economic sense) and the prostitute typologizing are what I want to bite into here. And, I'll use personal narrative to illustrate some of these aspects, but keeping in mind the broader connections between our lives...that all of the pieces do not have to match up perfectly to provide insight....that personal stories can be applied in such a manner as to not blanket or overgeneralize a discussion, or over-personalize a debate to the point where discussion becomes impossible. These are the things I have in mind as I share. I started in this industry at 17 years old. The choices, as I experienced them, were tough and few and I was highly motivated to get out of poverty and an abusive living environment, which was obviously distressing. Within a year I found a decent agency manager to work for. I had very little business knowledge to start with: what to charge?, what was a fair cut to give to a manager?, what services to provide?, what services was I comfortable with providing?....how might my financial needs and motivations, my life immediate circumstances, trump some of these considerations over others? ...and, believe me, sometimes I have made choices that have left me feeling like shit....sometimes the choices didn't feel like fair choices....sometimes, I was layering on self-judgement that didn't need to be there about the choices...hmmm, I wonder where all of that judgement comes from? My earlier years in the industry allowed me to observe my manager and all of the tasks she carried out to run a business, many of which I was too busy to want to do myself, some of which I lacked the social and economic capital and personal organization to do, and others aspects I just needed time to think on if ever I wanted to become an independent (screening clients etc.). I experienced the work as exhausting, frustrating and stigmatizing at times, but also as stimulating and fun (always meeting new people, sharing stories, learning about the psychology of sex), and flexible in terms of how portable the work is, and being able to make larger amounts of money in shorter periods of time. In a relatively small Northern Ontario community, I gave a third of every hourly fee I made to my manager. At the time, the going rate for a bustling and established escort agency was $150 an hour. After I paid my agency fee, and my taxi fare (it was all outcall based), and based on the example of a one hour date, my take away without any other expenses considered (condoms, clothing, grooming etc.) was about $80. This is considerably less than I command now as someone who works independently, in another region, and a decade later. But, I was more than ok with those terms...accepted them and they worked just fine for me, and were highly preferable relative to the other work that was available to me at the time. Thinking back to that situation, if I could have finagled low overhead and the right incall setup, I could have charged $80 an hour and made out just as well or better (think no travel time to appointments), but goodness knows then I would have been labeled by others in the industry as a 'low end' ignoramus. Interesting. Long story short, sex work arose as a highly constrained AND also an ideal and flexible economic option for me. It took time, opportunities to connect with other workers, and reading related literature (not easy to find at the time) for me to begin to make sense of things....to carve out various options for myself, to politicize what it means to be a sex worker, and to challenge my own internalized assumptions about 'whores', while also challenging dominant social ideas about sex workers, both demonizing and infantilizing. The learning curve has been steep and complex. And, my life options, my formal education, my business savvy, my self-awareness, and my sexual development have evolved. Having made a foray back into the industry several months ago (after a long pause away, but still engaging in related activism all the while), I find myself in a different phase as a sexual labourer. I work for myself, set my own rates, and screen my own clients, and, over time, I've had more opportunities to become a part of the sex working community, to fight for our rights, and to benefit from the rich relationships it holds I also take time to remember the whole journey, the teenager that was me, and I have had moments where I've been struck by her ingenuity. Whatever I lacked in business or economic smarts, I made up for in volumes with the savvy that can only come with street smarts...off the cuff, quick thinking, and tremendous resourcefulness. Few people would take the time to fascinate over the narrative of socially and economically marginalized woman if she is working for pennies at the local Tim Horton's....with a Manager on her all the time like a fire breathing dragon...thankless customers, running her ass off, barely covering the rent, leaving little or no time for her to pursue, or dream about other life options. And, few would make so many qualifying remarks if she struggled in her sense of self, maybe even struggling with depression, or an intimate partner who abuses her physically, financially. Why? Because we gloss over that kind of marginalization: cuz she's working for the man, towing the line of normalcy....her purported "dysfunction" is a familiar, benign kind. [And, yes, I am gesturing at the role of internalized whore stigma in this thread masquerading as disinterested concern and professional rhetoric over industry standards.] So, why is it acceptable to make all kinds of qualifying remarks about sex workers who may charge less than others?....who may be following a business model that makes sense for them?...who may be working for a manager who takes a cut, maybe even an unfair cut of their earnings?...who may struggle in his or her sense of self. What about the role of decrim?...about upholding the legal rights of sex workers to switch managers or leave the industry without fear of retribution (providing legal recourse and a climate of social support for him/her to do so)....just one of a number of examples where we can make changes without fixating on the pathology of individual choice, or lack thereof. What about we make space for the understanding that there will always be sex workers who will never fit into the mould of the happy, healthy hooker, and to count these members of our community in as equally insightful and valuable. It's not too hard, considering that some of the biggest leaders in the sex workers rights movement are people who have been street involved, who are or who have been drug users, and, yes, trauma survivors. A number of these people, all women, are some of my closest friends and confidants. We do not all identity with the same struggles, with the same privileges and oppressions, or industry experiences, but we see each other as equals and colleagues nonetheless. It's also been mentioned that there are workers who really aren't wanting to do the work but have few other options. Let's fight for those increased options....while also recognizing that there are plenty of folks in the mainstream workforce who hate their shitty jobs, don't know how else they will pay their bills, and can't seem to get their foot in the door what with all of the nepotism out there. Let's advocate for their increased options too eh? When we dichotomize and qualify sex worker identity in the manner I've seen happen in this thread, there is tremendous erasure that occurs; erasure of the parts of ourselves, our private moments which are deemed unsavory, shameful, desperate; erasure of the ongoing vulnerabilities we experience in the industry(, because regardless of what we charge or where we work, we all experience a level of vulnerability); and erasure of the contributions of fellow sex workers who have and continue to fight for our rights. I love being a sex worker, and I see the work as skilled and honorable work (as my vocation), yet, sometimes, I still am left feeling like shit...sometimes I feel confused. I carry all of my life history with me, beautiful and ugly. But, hey, don't we all? Isn't this ok? What happens when, for some of us, it is not ok? ...what then is the role of totalizing statements about certain people's lives, their work?....does it not function as a mechanism for distancing?...for asserting a sense of personal entitlement and relative legitimacy? what happens when we resemble a stereotype?....what happens when we face the pain of resembling a stereotype? ...what happens to us when the person who resembles the stereotypes is held in our minds eye as a respected colleague?. Hmmm, what then?

Will be toft team today ...

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Well I think 15 minute sessions are great...so great in fact that I always book at least 4 of them back to back! :icon_wink: