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I'm not actually on board with this concept of "she lied to you so you need to question her integrity". Here's why... Being outed this industry can destroy families and reputations causing irreparable long term unrepairable damage. In the future it can cost them their children, future jobs, volunteer positions, friendships and family members. They may not be allowed to participate in school activities with their children or become foster parents, they may not be allowed to volunteer at women's shelters or be employed in the health care industry. They may be denied access to the US or denied for any number of activities. One has no idea how being outed will impact their future. I know because all of the above have happened to me personally. Choosing who to share this fact of our lives with is fraught with very real danger. If it's disclosed at the beginning of a dynamic, the chances of the relationship succeeding are slim anyway; adding this to the mix means the man has power over a provider if she isn't already out. He knows where she lives, what her government name is and probably who her friends/family are. He's seen her Facebook and social media, he now has access to all aspects of her life. All it takes is a single email to blow her life out of the water. It happens all the time with loved ones we've known for years and we've all witnessed the slut shaming women go thru when they break up with someone for valid reasons who aren't sex workers. Disclosing you're a sex worker is a huge leap of faith and to think any woman in her right mind would disclose this up front is absurd and I don't believe any provider should be expected to. A man needs to earn that trust, he needs to prove to her that he is safe and won't hurt her with the information the first time they hit a pot hole in the relationship. She needs to feel safe with him, see how he reacts when he's angry. Is he petty or revenge oriented when he's furious, does he act like a 2 year old or hold grudges? Does he throw things in her face and fight dirty? She owes him nothing when it comes to disclosure until she knows the relationship is first and foremost safe and is going somewhere. Why is it deemed a wrong to protect yourself? I argue it isn't, it's a strong, gut survival instinct that women need to listen to and know they aren't in the wrong because they are trying to take care of themselves. And once she's decided to share this aspect of herself with a man, he should have the wisdom to realize her motivations and accept that it wasn't him, it was necessary for her protection. Then he should thank his lucky stars he has a found himself an honest to goodness firecracker that has a backbone and the ambition to want more out of life and is willing to make the hard decisions and sacrifices to get it. And the cherry on top is... she wants him. smiles, cat

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You would be surprised. I know many ladies particularly more mature ones who don't advertise and some other women might want to string them up if they knew how much they made all because they cultivated regular clients and actually kept them without even having to advertise. They pick and choose who they want to see. Myself, I don't see men under 30 because I'm not comfortable with that age group. I have never had to change this decision because the phone wasn't ringing. Your views regarding the industry are skewed on this subject. In fact, I am someone who defies that. I am not 20 years old, I am not model slim but I consider myself attractive with a personality and very skilled. I have many repeat clients. There are plenty of men out there who view women in this business differently and age or lost youth has nothing to do with it. Nor does having to do things we don't want to because the "client pool" is drying up. Not everyone wants a 20 year old. Yes, there is a difference between women who don't market themselves well and those who brand themselves but if they have certain convictions they stand by, the amount of money they make or not make doesn't really come into play where choices are concerned. I don't accept blocked calls/texting apps when I advertise as many other women don't either. Sometimes I will find other ways to screen them via reference etc but I stick to what I feel comfortable with. I realize I'm probably losing out on some good clients but my safety comes first. Money isn't the first priority and I don't feel I'm missing anything. I prefer quality and not some Joe Blow who may or may not have an agenda. I cultivate one client at a time and not thinking of getting fast cash in the moment. Not everyone is comfortable with certain ethnic groups. Just as some men don't like bigger women or vice versa, young or mature. It could be a cultural difference and that's their prerogative just as it is with clients who have specific preferences. I could whine about how some men don't like me because I'm full figured but then I'd be wasting my time focusing on the negative. Instead I focus on men who prefer my body type.

Like the title says words won't do the experience justice so I will keep it short. I had been considering booking time for quite a while and things finally lined up. It was a short visit but I found her to be very welcoming, friendly and once things got going very enthusiastic. I will be repeating for sure and plan on a longer visit next time. And by the way I was compelled to want to visit both with great reviews and smoking hot photos but I damn near fell to the floor when I actually met her and got to see her body. Layer on the personality and amazing attitude and she is almost supernatural.

The initial lie is a problem given the need for trust in a relationship but understandable given the stigma and potential harm that could come if the relationship ends. Providers are most at risk from people close to them; physically, mentally and socially. We are outed by "less than loved ones" 95% of the time so I'm inclined to believe lying about our work is a much needed survival instinct. It's a job, all be it a more challenging occupation for relationships. My gentle suggestion is if the work bothers you in any way, walk away now. It's never going to sit right and will taint the relationship in ways you don't realize yet. Men who can participate in relationships with sex workers either need to be completely neutral or completely supportive internally for the relationship to have a chance. There is no room for a negative gut reaction and you need to be honest with yourself about how you are feeling. This is indeed work, it can be incredibly empowering and gratifying in so many ways. There is aspect of service that most people don't consciously relate to but it's the foundation of this industry. We help people smile and feel better about the world, every time we provide service. It offers us the opportunity for independence and control in our lives which breeds confidence and strength. It gives us the permission, experience and time to grow as people; faster than any other occupation imo as long as she has genuine support from her partner and loved ones or at least a neutral home environment. If she doesn't, it creates an inner conflict that will influence her very soul in devastating ways. I went thru the same thing with my husband when I decided to go back to work. The deception was where the damage came initially but we worked thru that aspect quickly. The next several years were difficult because I could work as long as I didn't enjoy it. I was forced to continue living a lie at home because I couldn't take pride in the work I was doing, I couldn't have a great day or an experience that fed my soul without it turning into a problem. I can count on one hand the number of truly positive relationships I've seen in the industry. As I've said before, it's like finding a diamond in the Gatineau river. I can't even count the number of relationships where the partner uses the work as leverage to guilt and manipulate the provider into paying all the bills, support unhealthy habits, buy him toys and spoil him, all to keep him happy because he has to share his pussy. It's a finely honed form of extortion because if she were a lawyer or an engineer at the same pay grade, he wouldn't feel entitled to such things. The provider ends up wasting the money she should be investing for her future because she wants someone to love her when in fact she's been turned into the most lucrative client and he has become the most insidious prostitute. The man who seemingly supports but contributes nothing is playing the "I love you" con at its worst; it's the traditional pimps most successful business model... smiles, cat

I've posted this before. I've dated a couple SPs and a Dancer, even lived with an SP for a while. I don't look at it as cheating, it's their business. It's not for everyone nor is it the easiest to accept. Not everyone will agree with what I'm saying here so I'm not expecting that. Don't overthink it or talk about it. If she has something she wishes to discuss with you in regards to her work simply let her initiate the conversation. Don't ask what you don't really want to hear the answer to. Obviously, if it's too much for you to handle you need to do what is best for you. Never use what she does against her, you can't do that. The ultimate choice is yours. Best of luck no matter the choice you make.

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Reading the previous posts I will consider myself lucky as I found my father's Playboy collection at the age of 7. When I was a young teen my older cousin showed me my godfather's collection. It was enough to fill every shelf of a double sliding door closet in the basement bedroom, a slice of Heaven I thought at the time. He also told me there were a few in the bathroom vanities. When visiting that uncle we all know what I was doing as a teen when locking myself in the basement bathroom a few times a day. Hugh Hefner had a wonderful vision and he made it happen, creating what became the most successful men's magazine in the world. He lead one of the most iconic lives of the American Dream making millions with what most boys and men still daydream about today, gorgeous women. There is no doubt Playboy played some type of roll in breaking down sexual conservative walls. For that we should all be thankful, both men and women alike. Tip of the hat and a big thank you to Hugh Hefner. May he rest in peace. WIR

May he rest in peace. I often envied his life, the mansion the ladies and the parties. You guys were lucky to have the NG and the Sears catalogue all we got at home was the Reader's Digest and let me tell you there was not much viewing pleasure in those, although I did enjoy the laughter page.

Barefax was dead tonight, so we relocated across the river. We were not disappointed. I barely had my shapely ass through the door and I got a text from Trinity letting me know that I had been spotted. She dropped by for a second to say she'd be back with Gia. Once we had gotten our beer order sorted and delivered, the two of them set to work on me. Honestly, it didn't take much convincing, so we went downstairs for some fun. Trinity is just a ball of energy and really makes a guy feel welcome. Gia was a nice counterpoint, grinding me down to nothing all the while. I would have preferred handling them singly, but it was still a good time. Obviously. It always is with me. We came up for air eventually and had some drinks before they went off prowling again. Gia eventually came back to me, but I pushed her onto a friend of mine, hoping to encourage him to find some fun. He did as he was told, even if I had to buy his first song. You're welcome, Gia. He told me after that he had an amazing time. While he was gone, Tina showed up and was happy to sit down with me. She is a tall drink of water, but so worth it in the champagne room. Wow. I think I got the better part of the deal, but she was obviously digging it. Very nice. If you see her, do yourself a favour and give her a twirl. Very sensuous and, dare I say it, almost emotional. I can't wait to see her again.

Yes. But it also doesn' t mean that she is even a she, let alone an actual escort. Fake pic is all the info I need. (I'm betting there is a required etransfer involved in order to secure the date. Just a hunch. ;) )

The big question should be to yourself; how do you feel being in a relationship with a sex worker? Since you posted this thread here I would assume you know a bit about the industry so you should know the answer to that question. If you truly don't have an issue with her line of work then good for you, talk with her, and re-assure her that you understood why she didn't tell you at first but that her possible fears were unfounded. However, if you do have an issue with being in a relationship with a sex worker that is a different story. Judging from how you phrased the question (cheating) I suspect you do have an issue. If that is the case then do yourself and her a favour and cut your losses and walk away from the relationship. At a minimum you are going to continually be suspicious and jealous and if you try to change her or challenge her she is going to be resentful. It will do nothing but cause you grief. You will become paranoid and she will be forced to lie to you more. I can't see a happy outcome.

A repost but what the hell?? :)

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I agree Electra looks amazing. Let us know how ya made it or PM. Thanks man

2 adds are for the same girl. I fell for it and ended up meeting the same girl after relying to the second add. If your good a reading between the lines there was a reason I didn't book with the same girl for a second visit , but ended up with her. And the other add is a girl who uses many adds and many numbers and none of them are of her. Do you have been warned

I've seen the first multiple times she is great. And going to see the other tomorrow, from what I'm seeing and reading, she is completely worth it. That Body looks incredible.

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I've in the industry over 30 years. For 20 of them I didn't see West Indians. I had my reasons, they weren't racial and they didn't hurt my business. As long as a provider is ethical with the clients she does see and wants to work, her pool never runs dry. I worked for years in the South and most white providers don't see black men there. They all paid their bills just fine. There are black men who won't see white providers and white men who won't see black providers. It happens, asking anyone to have sex with someone they aren't comfortable with is a ludicrous idea. Trust that if it's in a providers ad, it's better she says it up front than have both parties struggle thru wasting his money and her time... Twatwaffles breed like rabbits in that state. It's just not worth the "WTF's???", lol... smiles, cat

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It sounds like you're bothered more by the fact she deceived you rather than her line of work. Not a very good foundation for an honest relationship. You might be asking yourself what other stuff is she lying to (or will lie to) me about. These are the seeds of discontent. I've been there too. This is who she is. Can you live with that? Although, I have a feeling you've already made up your mind, overall I would say follow your heart of hearts in good judgement. Good luck to you both.

I think cheating has nothing to do with the fact that she is a MA (or any kind of sex worker for that matter). So your question:"My GF is a MA, is it cheating?" is misleading. She's not cheating BECAUSE she's a MA. I believe some MA have perfectly healthy relationship and it doesn't necessarily means they're cheating, even when they're providing extras to their clients. The fact that she hid it from you, though, might be the problematic part. To me, cheating is simply lying to the other. Some couples are perfectly happy to be in an open relationship. This doesn't even have to be symmetrical. In some couples, one of the persons is sleeping with other partner(s), while the other is not. For this to work, everybody involved need to be consenting to the specific terms of their relationship. And, to be truly consenting, one needs to know every aspect of that relationship. Now, Cat makes some very good point about the lies in the initial relationship. I think we all do it when we start going out with someone, consciously and unconsciously. We want to look good so we present the best side of ourselves. We dress up, we hide the dirty clothes under the bed, we don't swear, or burp, etc... Basically, we keep secret a lot of the things we feel might be detrimental to what is originally a fragile relationship. It's not dishonesty, just a desire to convince the other that we can be worthy. It's fine, as long as the true personality come out eventually. If one of the person is a sex worker, she/he has a much bigger secret, and she/he will likely hide it at first. The personal and social risks involved with telling the truth are much bigger when your secret is that you're a sex worker, then if it's that you don't floss everyday. The thing is, once the relationship gets past the initial phase and trust is being built, at one point or the other, this secret should be shared. You don't say how long you've been going out with her, but since you say you live together, I'll assume you're past that initial phase of your relationship and, since you "just found out", I'm tempted to say she cheated on you by actively lying to you. Now, does that mean you should dump her? Not necessarily. It's not because someone cheated that the relationship is irreparably broken. I think you should definitely talk with her about it, not so you can intrude in her professional life, but to make sure you're on the same page on how each other feels about the situation. Communication is key here. Then, figure out whether or not you feel comfortable living with someone who's a sex worker. Only you can decide that.

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So what...? Ultimately, if a SP/MA doesn't wish to meet with people from a certain group and you fit the description (Like I do as a Black man), it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, just walk away. It did happen to me a few time, here on this site... I don't care! My second question to a SP/MP when contact her is and will always be something like: "I'm Black, do you care?" If she says "YES", I go with a "Ok, No worries... have a great day/life!!!" End of the conversation. There are so many beautiful ladies on LYLA, these days, why bother with one who doesn't wish to meet me? I don't get it.... This is not a government service where agents (likely here the SP/MA) are obligate to serve me. If the provider is not comfrotable with me simply because of the color of my skin, ya it's better that we don't meet - Where's my fun in it? And since I am the type of guy who has more fun when I feel that she also enjoys our time, there is a whole part that will be missing by seing her. So I prefer to simply contact someone else. We are in 2017... although a lot had been made, there are still a lot of work to do, in terms of equality toward race (like other things - gender, sexual orientation, handicap, etc...). Racisme will not desepear tomorrow. Unfortunately, we will die before and never see total equality in this world. Cheers The Black Bass

Hobbyists have the distinct advantage of being able to browse any web site and choose a lady based on any attributes (body type, tits size, butt size, race, hair colour, etc...) they desire, without any justification. Why should the ladies have to justify themselves when expressing similar preference before they open the door? All it does is prevent undesirable and awkward situations.

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Haven't picked a name yet just have been using my name and city...any suggestions?

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