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Same. Asking for it, even once, ensures I will never, ever see you. That is an individual I would not feel safe being around, ever. I've had people offer me ridiculous amounts of money for BBFS. My response to them is: There is nothing you can put in my wallet that is worth risking my life.

A lot of you use the site and dont contribute (just take) if you would post and contribute you will make the site better. Well unless you post stupid comments and in that case you may loose your account alltogether. You post under an alias, if you use the privacy feature in your browser and use a alias that no one in your personal life will recognise you have no excuse not to contribute if your using the site! This site exists cause the members here contribute time and effort into quality posts and recommendations. If your not contributing then you will need to deal with the 5post 5day message all new users now see.... The site is free to use its the least we can ask for! My suggestion is to contribute and dont complain. Your obviously finding value n the site.

To the OP: no, you are not overreacting. This is as every bit as dangerous and buttfuck-stupid as it sounds. Fortunately, most of the SPs around here are not stupid, and anyone even hinting at BBFS will probably get instantly blacklisted. And to the guys asking for BBFS, should any of them be reading... I don't mind you killing yourselves (I consider Natural Selection and the continuous improvement of the species thereby to be a good thing), but I'd be grateful if you'd refrain from trying to kill other people too. Please and thanks.

So we have a few people complaining about a new feature I added to encourage more user participation (and it's working!) New members (under 5 posts for less then 5 days) now get a notice (See below) that they should post and change the status (basically from a lurker who is using the site for research and not contributing to a contributing member). The notice will disappear once they post 5 posts and have been a member for 5+ days. The site is FREE to use and they are complaining!? Seriously!! I have actually had TWO members (Long time members) complain in PM's and the one had been a member for 200+ days and the other (get this) has been a member for over 2000 days and is pissed that he now gets this notice? WTF??? If you have been here 200+ or 2000+ days and used the site for info on SP's and not given back at least 5 comments for the rest of the community?? Why do these guys feel this is ok? should we really be concerned? Here is the notice: Yes, it's long (It's long for a reason!) it's made to be informative to NEW MEMBERS and it's long to be a NAG so that you give back to the community!! No excuse is valid for not contributing. Put your browser into PRIVACY MODE (as you should be doing already) and make sure your username is not something your co-workers or anyone else might pick up on and post some comments!! Don't be a troll/leach and expect everyone else to share for your benefit when you don't contribute.

I don't think it's going to become more prevalent at all. It does exist out there, and it always has. But I personally think it becomes less and less prevalent, as many women in this business are smart, savvy, entrepreneurs, not all women who are just looking for money. It may be being talked about more now, but I don't think that in any way means it's going to become more common. As you can see from this thread already, we girls blacklist guys who want BBFS, and men will blacklist a girl who offers it. My hope is that, instead of becoming more common, these blacklistings will help to weed the BBFS morons out completely, and make it LESS prevalent, instead of more.

I blacklist clients who ask for this, as to me, it signals not only a disrespect for my health, but their own and potential partners as well.

I actually want to add a BIG thank you to all the members who have started posting quality posts. In the last 24 hours I have seen 10 times more moderated (new member) posts and a lot of good quality comments coming in! So to all those who are sharing and contributing thank you. I know I am venting a little as it upset me with the people complaining. I felt I missed the most important part of this and that was to thank all the people who needed the push to post and have started to join in the conversations and community. Welcome.

Contributing to posts helps us get to know a little about you in a discreet fashion. It sheds some light on your personality, likes, dislikes and can make it more exciting to want to meet with you. I'm always excited to meet with a gentleman that has given me a glimpse of himself through his posts, it can make the transition from first pm to initial meet quicker and easier, for myself anyways. I just feel more secure meeting with a gentleman who has been posting and giving of his time, personality and insight. So come on newbies lets get to know oneanother:biggrin:

BBFS I really hope to change your mind So please listen to my plea Rumour has it SPs from my city Offer full service BB Which means they use no condom When letting clients 'in' You all know in this business That's a major mortal sin We must keep one another safe It's the only thing we've got So by accepting this behaviour You're worse off than I thought No amount of cash you've got Will convince me to sex bare If you ever try and do it I'll crush your balls I swear Paid sex can't be unprotected Your dick could get infected So for those of us who don't And no matter what we won't Are the ones you need to see To remain STD free

What about posting one-line recommendations to get your post count up? There seems to be a lot of those popping up over the last few days. I mean, if you think the lady was that great and had a good time with her, maybe she deserves a bit more effort and credit than "she is nice and pretty." IMO. :) Those ladies work hard to make you happy and give you a good experience. By no means do I want to discourage anyone from writing recommendations, but if you're going to, show your appreciation. It doesn't have to be a novel... simple is just fine, but I'm sure more than one lazy sentence would be appreciated.

As much as I am 100% against BBFS, I would definitely take with a grain of salt the "information" posted on there as we have no idea who it is coming from and the reason why it is being posted in the first place. How easy would it be for anyone (man or woman) to post anonymously that "so and so" is offering BBFS in order to damage or destroy the lady's reputation? Too easy if you ask me.

Welcome lurkers....Glad to see the mods asking you to contribute. We are a friendly bunch here, just give us some insight. It really helps!

Any person asking for or offering BBFS is insane and is a threat to us all. Blacklist them. :vf: As a hobbyist, I am really glad to see our SPs here come out so overwhelmingly against the stupid idea. :ThankYou:

You can expect to pay about the same whether you see an indy MA or someone at a MP. The difference is that for an indy MA you'll know what the deal is up front and hand over an envelope with the whole lot in it; if you visit a MP then you'll pay two separate fees. There's a door fee that goes to the establishment and covers the use of the facilities, and then a fee/tip/call-it-what-you-will, which goes to the MA. But, as I said, it works out about the same. I generally just ask the MA what I owe her when I'm there, but many of the MAs a spas are on the board now so you can always drop one or two of them a PM and ask in advance if you like. If in doubt about $$$$, put a bit extra in your wallet, just in case! As far as tips beyond that go (anything extra for an indy MA at all, or anything beyond her bit of the total for an MA at a spa)... I believe it's always appreciated, but never expected.

Hi Everybody! I don't know if I'm too much of a newbie to start a thread, especially one on such a strong subject but it's one that I feel very strongly about: BBFS in the Hobby, I don't get how anyone can justify it. Browsing other boards that are, lets say, less politically correct than this one I see an increasing amount of talk around either more and more SPs offering BBFS ... one post even had a link to a BP ad near TO where the SP has it listed in her extras!! ... or johns asking for it, sometimes very aggressively according to some ladies. It seems prevalent enough that they even started a board dedicated to the pursuit of this dangerous activity!! (I won't promote it here) Unless I'm really behind the times and some new miracle cure as been invented for all STDs isn't this pretty much the most dangerous activity to experiment in? Also, being a DATY lover this "trend" is scaring the living crap out of me. Aside from the very obvious heath risks involved (HIV being at the top of the list), the thought of ... squeamish people turn away now! ... licking up someones sloppy seconds is totally disgusting!! ... call me a prude but I won't even snowball my own stuff! lol Levity aside I don't want to die, or be incapacitated, from this hobby because a few morons (male and female alike) want to play russian roulette with their sex lives. Now a few posters, again on other boards, have suggested starting screening new SPs when booking by asking if they provide the service as if you want it, the logic being they will then expose themselves more freely. Really not sure about this one, First I would need to play the creep (not my style), and second using this method might put me on the blacklist with the careful, reputable ones and ruin my rep. I mainly repeat with 2 lovely ladies I'm very comfortable with but I like to "explore new territory" once in a while so a screening method would help ease my mind. Any comment on the subject ... from both Service Providers and fellow hobbyists ... would be appreciated. Also, I'm very curious as to what the general consensus on the subject is? Am I overreacting here or is it as dangerous as I feel it is? Is it something that's more prevalent in other market/cities where competition is more fierce?

I must admit, I am one of those who has lurked and not posted too much. I have definitely posted reviews of some ladies I have had the pleasure of spending time with, but not any more than that. I pledge to reform my ways and do my best to be a constructive participant to the site. Thanks to all who make this site what it is and hopefully I can help with that, to some degree. To all the lovely ladies, DAMN, you are all beautiful and I hope I have time and opportunity to meet at least a fraction of you! Have a great weekend all! WW

Unfortunately, BBBJ's are just as scary and equally unsafe if STD contraction and transmission is a concern...Russian Roulette is being played on a daily basis...and the viruses are spread just as quickly orally, if not faster once infected...so please think about playing completely safe, not just halfway.... http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm

You are not over-reacting. There is enormous pressure on paid companions at every price point to provide bareback full service (BBFS). Many of us have been talking about this all fall and winter. We're concerned about the women who are being pressured into it for fear of having fewer clients. I think it began with the trend to pressure women into providing uncovered BJs. Many companions believe this isn't safe. Others are willing to take the risks, since HIV is not associated with it because the HIV virus is too fragile to live in a human throat. However, there is a new strain of gonorrhea that isn't curable and gonorrhea will live very happily in the throat, undetected, for months or more. Some companions offer bbbjs but not to completion, or they don't swallow. Everyone makes decisions based on her assessment of the risks, including the prevalence of particular infections in her city. But full service is a completely different matter. In Vancouver, it's available from a lot of street-based workers. My understanding is that it's an option in some of the Asian micro-brothels where the ladies have come in to work for a few months. I don't know why people think this is safe. It makes no sense to me. But I have had prospective clients offer me two or three times my hourly rate or more to accommodate them. I'm sure that they will eventually find someone who will agree to it. I work to support myself and my family. To take care of our lives. I won't put my life at risk!

Hello Cerb..!! I would like to have your opinion about a subject that I would like to share with you for a long moment. I know that a similar thread has been do in another forum from another province but I thought it was important to make one for Ottawa. I have been solicited, Im sure Im not the only one, for ''only this service'' and not being offered the respect for my time or sessions. As well, the fact of underpricing, cutting price for these '' onlys''. There's a lot of users who asked me ''Whats your rate only for a BJ'' or ''I want one hour but not intercourse...'' Maybe Im wrong, but I dont see a difference between having intercourse or not in my session. So, what happen to our time?? Why ''just'' a BJ doesnt worth the same thing than intercourse ???? Probably some girls offering a '' BJ price '' and I respect that but some users have to respect girls who doesnt. I think that we are not offering ''just this'' or ''that service'' but a COMPLETE service even if you are SP or MA. Should we reduce our rates but start to ask extra for everything?? If you want to kiss here, its +x$... if you want to touch here its +x$... sounds ridiculous no? I think its the same thing for us when we are solicited like this. Maybe Im wrong, so that is why I asked for you opinion and I think we need to talk about it if we want to inform new users. Ps: Sorry For my english..... ;)

I was offered bbfs once and was surprised by it's offer by this woman, and my response was to never see that woman again as I personally wasn't willing to take such a risk. Over the years the yardsticks have changed, and what was unacceptable years ago is far more common today. There are risks with kissing, bbbj and daty, but they are commonly available today. I think the only thing you can do is do some research and find woman that satisfy your level of risk. Interesting I think access to bbfs service is more scarce today than it has ever been in the past, basically because we are so much more informed and sensible SP's realize that this an unacceptable risk.

None of them! It is agsinst the law to provide "service" Posted via Mobile Device

Dear Mr. Newbie. You have received some terrific advice/guidance from Miss Meaghan. From a hobbyist (and relatively new one at that) I found hanging out in chat and seeing the great personalities of the woman of cerb to be a great starting point. Engage them at first, have some fun ask for web site info or simply look up their profile as well as any recommendations they have received. You can use all of this to help narrow your search. I have met sooo many really nice people here in the last 6 months or so. So dive in look around and have some fun. You wont be disappointed. Shutterclick

The so called "patient zero" of the AIDS epidemic was a French Canadian flight attendant, who, despite knowing he was infected, slept with thousands of people with no protection. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas#section_4 Anyone doing BBFS is basically playing Russian Roulette with awful diseases instead of bullets.

Do you partake in the festivity of it all- egg hunts, big dinner, giving -receiving of chocolate gifts. Or is it another holiday that has become to commercialized for your liking?

As a hobbyist who is not so new all I have to say is that you have received good advice from the previous two posts. As well, good for you for thinking this through and asking questions. You are on the right track. Remember CERB ladies are very professional and they will put you at ease and will always have your interests first. As for tipping I suspect there is different opinions. My thought is that the last thing I want to talk about is money and i do not want to fumble for cash at the end of an engagement, so I always have my donations in an envelop to appear early and never discussed. I always assume I will be having a good time (it has always been a correct assumption so far) so usually I ensure the donation is in excess of their regular fee. Have fun!

Oooo fish love water!! You might even say we can't live without it. Glub Glub!! Hmmm, "glub, glub" not the sexiest sign off ever. Maybe I can be the fish that purred.

And to add... those of you who are posting "I am posting this cause I need 5 posts" and other similar crap. I will issue you a infraction and remove the offending post.

Although I enjoy a good bbbj ... and Peachy yours was out of this world btw ;) ... I have to side with you and Vanessa on this that maybe cbj is the way to go now. I mean if bbfs is to become more prevalent ... and God let's hope it doesn't!! ... it will make the whole GFE thing a little scary, including DFK which I soooo don't want to lose. BTW thanks for all the support and replies ... and especially to all you classy ladies who are helping me keep faith in the hobby!! ;)

The mixture of white Creme de Menthe and Brandy or Cognac is called a Stinger. When served on the rocks, it makes for an excellect after dinner drink (like drinking a breath mint). My dear departed mother used to love Stingers. Almost as much as she loved Martiniis. Did I mention she was a bit of a lush? :chug: My personal favourite is icey cold water. I favour Dasini or Aqua Fina. Just putting that out there. :biggrin:

Dear Newbies, When I see a member that as been here for 2,3,4 years with no posting history at all, and you finally do contact me, I go into "super screening mode" as there is always a small voice in my head that says " who is this person really? Why does he just sit there and lurk, and never contacted me or any one I know? In a way I sometimes get the creeps when I see no posts after 2 years. So, In 2 years you still are writing posts about being nervous to take the plunge?? I can see 6 months, but after 2, 3, 4 years?? Sometimes my "super screening mode results in me declining a date with you. I may ask specific questions before giving you all of my info, if any of these questions do not contain the info that I require, or something is not adding up then you will be politely declined. You may think we are just being too cautious, but I don't think so at all. I prefer to book with someone who understands protocols for booking and with some kind of glimpse into if we would have anything in common, are we on the same page? So to reiterate, POST, POST, POST. You will find you will more easily be invited to enjoy the splendors of this hobby:)

I have been in this business on and off for almost 2 decades ( almost) ;) When I first stared out, a BBBJ was unheard of and very much looked down upon by other sp`s. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but in the early to mid 90`s, those who did provide bbbj-were ladies who usually were in this business strictly for a crack fix. I am sure not all ladies who did provide bbbj back then were, but the ones me and my other sp friends knew of were in fact hard core drug addicts. Forward now to my return in 2009. It appeared that it was now the norm to provide bbbj. And the ladies who now provided them were gorgeous, sexy sp`s without any drug issues. I could not understand this-at all, because like I said the norm that I knew was to protect and do things safely. A couple of years back, I came across a few hobbiests speaking about how they loved bbfs, both vaginal and ANAL...on a low class site where they are actually allowed and proud to brag about stupid shit like that. Do I agree with the BBFS-hello NO!!! But at the sametime it does not surprise me either. Just wanted to add that I too, take risks by allowing daty & DFK (YMMV) with clients. Before my return to this occupation in 2009, I NEVER would allow dfk and daty on me was very rare. I realized that I had to change this in order to be succesful as an sp. Especially since I had other restrictions (aside from no bbfs) We are in a time where we have access to an information goldmine on the risks and how to protect ourselves, but...... people still want to take the risks because the like the way it feels.

I'm heading back home to England for Easter this year. My parents are having about 25 of my family members over for dinner on Friday, so should be loads of fun!!! Then off to my cousin's on Easter Sunday for an egg hunt with the little ones...it's going to be a blast! This will be my first Easter home in some time, so I'm really looking forward to it.

Okey Dokey ......Great advise Meaghan but let me break this down a little bit cause this isn't your every day Lodge ! Bathroom ... upper level is preferred as a rule when able to climb Tub We have one right beside the outhouse roughly 100 metres away Shampoo and soap close by all in one bottle back in the lodge beside the still !! Here's the tap out by the barn...but kinda low water pressure No Aqua Velva here....Old Spice baby !! Old Spice !! And for the bee sting Phaedrus....duct tape....... just pretend there is polysporin on it cause that fixes everything apparently.... PS Meaghan don't ever mention inner voice to Phaedrus.... cause he mumbles this in his sleep and I don't like it one bit ! Think Old Dogs and pretty pretty de-flowers and bees !! and apparently it only stings a weeeee bit Phaedrus ;)

Well I like Emiafish, because he likes Meaghan who of course likes RG, who is gonna get another boat and is going to take Meaghan and I fishing .......and we need bait !! What can you bait with an Emiafish I wonder ? A "Cat" fish ? Perhaps a "Catra" fish ? Just thinking out loud ..... Throw me a frickin bone here.... Could you pick up some lemon pepper seasoning on the way to the boat Emia ??? I like Emiafish...cause he is a cool cat....and.....I hope today he has a good sense of humor ;)

Hey snaper. Good to see you asking around. Really, its super easy. Find the lady you are interesed in seeing. Learn her protocols. Remember to read about her. How does she want you to contact her? Follow her instructions. Start easy, ask her availabiltiy if not readily apparant. Always know her boundaries ahead of time. If she says she only provides a safe GFE (in case you don't know, this means everything is covered), please don't ask her if she provides bbbj or bbfs. Find out how she wants to book an appointment. Read your reviews and see her pics. If she does not provide the experience you are looking for, start with the next lady. Start over if you half too. Keep looking until you feel the lady you want to see provides the experience you are looking for. Then you can approach her by her protocols. If she says you must answer some questions first, answer them....The ladys security is always the most important thing to address. If she feels that you are not being straightforward in your answers, well, she will move on. Once you have made a connection, then you can start with specific questions. Nothing worse then the first contact is "do you like it up the ass", when the lady specifically states she does not do any form of greek action. Nothing worse then reading about her boundaries and ignoring them. If the connection works, you can then set up an appointment. Book your time, prepare (there is a whole link on preparation, but the most important part is you must prepare your body, she is preparing herself for you). Show up on time, or give the location on where she can meet you. Be prepared to follow her protocols on booking an appointment with her. Do not feel that you do not have to follow her rules. Of course, the fee that is negioated is the fee you must pay when you see her. Do not feel that you can get a lower fee because 1. you are amazing 2. You are somehow more special then everyone else 3. You saw someone once that charged less then her 4 ANY drivitive of this theme Once your time is booked, show up, clean and sober. Give the lady her fee. Be prepared at this point, if you really did your homework to be blown away. Because if you really did, you and her are going to rock the house. She is going to be what you wanted, and you are going to be giggling like a school girl for at least a week. However, this is if you did your homework. Your teacher, Ms. Meaghan Mcleod :makeout:

I have only been BB with one lady. She was my wife. We where together for 10 years and this April it would have made 11 years. She decided to start dating some guy while we where still married and I found out in October that she was with him from February of 2012. After I found out I went and got checked it was the worst feeling to know that she cheated on me and with all these other STD's around I wasn't sure. I would not wish that feeling on anyone. Yes, I am clean and I always have condoms with me when going out. You never know what luck you may have. I have had enough bad luck to last me a life time. The last thing I want/need is to catch something that I know can and will destroy my life. If you're not going to sack it, go home and whack it.

I fell for this it's actually the same girl that posts on here under the name diamond goddess. Nothing bad happened but certainly didn't turn out how we discussed beforehand. Lesson learned I'll really be checking every girl out !!!

Meg4fun and I are the real deal. No gay for pay type act happening here! For me to be with another woman, there must be chemistry and I must admit it's very hot and she feels the same way. Plus we are in close proximity to one another...We are totally in sync gentlemen! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=74141&highlight=nicolette+vaughn+megforfun

Driving down a back road just outside of Orleans earlier this evening that has one lane for each direction where you can pass a slower moving vehicle. Was driving in one lane headed North when a big Dodge Ram pickup coming in the opposite direction who had passed 2 vehicles at the last minute was literally a few feet in front of me in my lane right before he switched back to his own!! Saw my life flash before my eyes! I literally veered my vehicle onto the gravel part of the road without incident. Good thinking on my part for being a good defensive driver or I would probably be dead right now!

At Fat Bastards we tend to use bacon grease. Sure it leaves marks and stains... but with the amount of bacon we consume, it's practically free. It has the added bonus of smelling and tasting like bacon and makes our job more enjoyable. The following picture is of one of our simulated clients enjoying the benefits of our expertly applied bacon treatments. Look how simulatedly relaxed she looks.... and we can't wait to flip her over (like you would with REAL BACON) and have her indulge in the BLT special, where we delicately place two slices of tomato and a leaf of lettuce to ease inhibitions.... Just try to top that sexy massage guy!!! Sure you may have the looks and skills that we may not necessarily possess.... but we have BACON!

It's as dangerous as you think. It's a lot like a client saying to an SP, "hey, can I draw some of my blood with this needle and inject it into your veins during our session? Don't worry, I'm totally clean." It's a ridiculously stupid, reckless, and insulting thing to expect. I think there are two things going on here: a) the client may genuinely feel like sex with a condom just isn't the same and he really wants the full unprotected thing (and he's a complete idiot, ignorant or for some reason indifferent to the obvious risks to health and life for both involved) b) the client wants to prove he can force his will past the woman's sensible boundaries; essentially proving "my money puts me in charge and you will deny me nothing I want". Anyone looking for this is simply insane.

I am new to CERB and was cruising through various profiles. Vitto's caught my eye. To my surprise she PM'd me welcoming me to CERB. We chatted back and forth and setup an appointment at VIP. When she opened the door the latin goddess I envisioned from her profile stood before me. She was sexier in real life than the pics can show. She has a sexy, exotic look which combined with her bubbly personality made for a great session. She made me feel comfortable from the second we met. The massage was both relaxing and a tease to pleasure that awaited. Her hands were soon replaced by other parts of her body on mine. As we built toward the end she massaged me in ways I never knew possible. It was a fantastic climax to the hour we spent together. We concluded with a warm shower together cleaning up the mess we made. Definitely worth a visit, I will be again soon. Props to CERB as well. Without it I wouldn't have met this sexy lady.

i pay my accountant by the hour - i pay my lawyer by the hour -i pay my house cleaner by the hour- all professionals -why would your services be any different- except more enjoyable

Rebecca, Usually when clients ask for "only a bj" you'll probably notice that they are the ones who don't contribute to these forums. As mentioned in the previous posts, your rates are for your time, not for a specific act. Next time someone asks, just kindly forward a link to this discussion to him, and he'll get the answer... MrGreek

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I have been back in Canada for two days and I have caught a damn cold - my throat hurts and my nose is plugged and I have a headache oh well, I am off to Houston this evening and the forecast high there tomorrow is +28 C

Hmmm... it appears we were a bit off-base with this thread. It seems that you're not supposed to eat it...

Okay Crank... put on the clown shoes. But don't expect me to give you a blowjob.... especially when you paint a clown face on your junk.

Nichole, thanks for your spirited response. Just to clarify, I never texted you, I don't text scammers. However I have sent emails to your ads in the past with no response. I have responded to threads on boards where your ads with fake photos have been featured. It's never been sneaky chit chat, the forums are open to you and you're welcome to join in, my email is clearly posted at the top of my website. I'm not sure why you think I need to reach out to you or anyone else to advise them that it is clearly wrong and deceptive to post photos of people other than yourself in your ads. You'll find that most providers get that basic concept. Similarly you could have reached out to me it's not like I'm a hard guy to get a hold of. You are correct, time will tell and I'm eager to hear from your happy clients, sadly I've only heard from those who were not so happy. Kuddos to you for trying to turn things around. I think it might go a long way in your favor to post some photos here sooner, rather than later , given that photos are at the stem of this whole controversy. If the whole exercise here is to rebuild your reputation, then a few pictures will speak a few thousand words. I'm not expecting you to answer, as you stated you are done discussing this matter, and so am I. I'm simply responding as you've addressed specific points regarding me in your retort and I'm providing my input.