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This might not be a popular opinion and has the potential to offend some ladies but, from where I stand, I feel like it has to be said. Ladies, YOU are the one putting pressure on yourselves! If you do not want to offer a service, DON'T! It's that simple! Fact is, there are many successful SPs in this industry who only provide CBJs. I will not mention names because it is not my place to do so but if you do some research, you will find what you are looking for. Supply and demand: it is up to you to advertise and find your niche market; by having a niche market, you might no longer be reaching out to and/or appeal to the masses, the ones who have to have BBBJs BUT you will definitely find gentlemen YOU are compatible with and therefore, enjoy yourself that much more. Most gentlemen are great and will still see you even if you are offering a different type of service (please note I didn't say a lesser service) when it comes to oral. Most even prefer the whole experience over one single specific act. Ladies, have some confidence in yourselves! You are all great SPs/Companions who deserve to feel at peace when spending time with someone. Find your niche market and rock their world!

As I get older, the debate becomes less worrisome. Both arguments have their merits; CBJ or BBBJ, as a provider you should do whatever you feel most comfortable with. Ostensibly it's a variation on the same theme.... and when done well, the difference is infinitesimally small. I have moved from being an MSOG kinda guy to a PGLMSHLETGALOSOG (Please God, let me stay hard long enough to get at least one shot on goal) kinda guy. With that in mind, it's far more about the experience and the companion than the details... and that's where the loyalty kicks in. A great provider will keep you coming back because she is that special, not because she does everything on your "to do" list.

Well, having read through all the posts thus far on the subject, I'm afraid that I think this debate is missing a simple and yet critical component: data. Let's just consider BBBJs in isolation for a moment. There's a number of questions that need to be asked: - what are the conditions that may be transmitted? - what's the likelihood of each of those conditions being transmitted from a) the giver to the receiver, and b) vice versa, assuming the appropriate partner were infected and the other wasn't? - what's the probability of the partner in question being infected in the first place? - how do we rate the severity of catching the condition in question? - what other precautions against transmission may be employed, and how effective are they? - what level of risk are we prepared to accept? - what rewards are required to make an increased risk worthwhile? If anyone does think they can have a go at answering all those questions, I'd be very interested to see it... but your answer should include links to your sources of data (where relevant, for things like transmission rates) and justifications for value-judgements of a more personal nature (would you rather catch herpes or gonorrhea, and why?). And once you've done that... well, that's just the start. Once we've gathered the raw data, we need to start organizing it, and making judgement calls and trade-offs. Guys: would you accept a 2% higher chance of catching syphillis in exchange for a BJ that's 50% better? Ladies, is getting an extra client each week (on average) worth a 10% higher chance of contracting a particular HPV strain? I'll freely concede that I'm pulling numbers out of my ass here, but these are the kind of questions we should be asking.... and before we can ask the questions, we need to get the underlying numbers. Yeah, science is hard.

I have only ever provided CBJs and have never considered this a "niche market"...its simply a safer way to service and appeal to the masses.... What really shocks me is the emotional and angry responses from clients who assume a CBJ is a lesser service somehow (and an SPs time is worth less because of it) as opposed to a safer service?? It really baffles me.

I am one stubborn bitch and will do what I please and never bow down to pressure. I am what I am and like me or not is your choice to see me or not and vice versa :). Peace!

I don't mind talking about this openly, Peachy. When I started to work, no one ever inquired about BBBJs before meeting me and I was never urged to forgo the condom when the meeting was underway. The gentlemen I saw and I might occasionally make a wry comment about it being a shame that the condom was necessary, but there was no manipulation involved. I don't think that my clients would have been happy if I'd suggested going ahead without the cover. By contrast, in my personal life, some of the men I dated were initially surprised when I reached for a condom before we were ready to have intercourse. They weren't offended; they simply didn't have any idea that oral sex might be a concern for either of us. They'd always had uncovered oral sex. That was over a decade ago. I've always worked independently and I've always done my own screening. I've generally been a low-volume companion, but even when I entertained more often, using condoms wasn't an issue for the first few years. Many things changed when I moved to Vancouver about five years ago. I needed to build a new client base, so I saw more people for quite awhile. I didn't have a website until I moved here. I advertised in print. In Toronto, I nearly always worked from hotels, but in Vancouver I've only done that a handful of times, though I do make outcall visits fairly often. I have more American clients, here, probably because we're much closer to the border and because many people travel up and down the coast all the time. I have clients from Ontario who come to Vancouver on business periodically, including two of my original clients. I have never offered BBBJs and have always made it clear in my advertising, phone conversations and e-mail that I will use condoms for everything. This began to be a deal-breaker for many prospective clients, which surprised me. Syphilis has been common in Vancouver for a very long time, was classified as an epidemic in the mid-1990s and has only recently begun to decline. The strains of syphilis, here, are notable for producing no symptoms in most people who contract it, which is one reason it spreads so easily. I no longer see anyone under 40 because I don't need to. I received considerable pressure not to use condoms for oral from younger, unmarried men. A lot of them declined to meet me, which was fine. But many of them tried to re-negotiate things after we were together in person, using the heat of the moment as an excuse, or stressing that they were "obviously clean". A rare few decided to leave instead of carrying on with the meeting. Some tried to bully me into giving refunds and one of them became very angry when I refused. The worst was a 36 year-old man who had made a couple of wry comments about the condom. Instead of having me on top of him, he wanted me on all fours. When I reached around to guide him, I found he'd taken the condom off. He laughed, "Oh, oh. You caught me!" I went ballistic. He left when I picked up the telephone. Most of my clients now are between the ages of 58 and 75. I love my regular visitors, but the prospective and first-time clients often challenge my restrictions. I don't take same-day or last-minute meetings. The combination of my screening process and my availability means that it can take anywhere from a few days to a couple of weeks to meet me in person. I'm willing to exchange a lot of e-mail and have short phone conversations in the meantime. By the time my guest and I actually lay eyes on each other, we've established what I feel is a good rapport. (If we haven't, I will decline to meet.) After all of that, it's unsettling when some new visitors claim to be surprised that I won't compromise about condoms for oral sex. They often say that they didn't think I'd really meant what I'd written or said on the phone, or that they were sure I'd change my mind once we met in person. Two have brought printouts of what they said were their STI test results to use as last-minute bargaining tools. I've heard long stories about loss of sensation, about condoms being too small or too tight (even after I've unrolled one over my hand and up my forearm). I've heard about erectile problems and ejaculatory difficulties they attribute to condoms. Twice I've had clients turn a playful spanking into something that was definitely punishing because I'd used a condom on them for oral, to completion. For one of them, the spanking was pay-back. The other really thought I'd give in for the second round. (That round didn't happen!) The only people who have ever tried to talk me into BBFS have been older men. They've said that they've had vasectomies or that I'm the only woman they will have been with other than their wives. One said he had no children because of a low sperm count. Another said I could trust him because he's a physician. A couple of years ago, I saw one man who made a fuss about condoms and even asked to remove it while we were having intercourse. He contacted me recently, certain that we could work things out now that time had passed. I told him I hadn't changed my restrictions. He said he didn't expect that I would. He paid my social rate to take me out for lunch. At the end of the meeting, he was shocked when I still refused to consider meeting with him without condoms. A few days ago, a fellow I've seen four times offered a significant monthly retainer if I would agree to BBFS. He wanted to be a boyfriend who gives me money and looks the other way if I entertain anyone else. But he also travels extensively in Asia and India, where he delights in the opportunities he has for female companionship, often at very low rates. A few visitors have told me on their way out of the door or later, in e-mail, that the engagement was wonderful but, regretfully, they won't re-book because of the condom. I want to be very clear, though, that, while I do feel pressured and subjected to various kinds of manipulation, I am not worried about going out of business. Most of my clientele are regulars. I'm doing well in my corner of the profession. I don't have qualms about the choices I've made. But it has taken me quite awhile to get to be in my position and I recognize that I am where I am because of simple, plain, good luck as well as because of the way I run my business.

Well I take pity on my fellow CERB-ites and only post this on one of the three threads. This argument is getting tiresome, and not just this particular time. It seems we keep going down the same path, having the same arguments over and over again. I just spent about 2 minutes with this wonderful feature we have on this site called "search" (something that some of you should seriously try using some time) and here are just four threads of many on the topic. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71451&highlight=transmission http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=34872&highlight=transmission http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20951&highlight=transmission http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16380&highlight=transmission This time though we have three active threads with the same people posting on all three of them, and rarely providing any new information and insight that is not already on this board. First someone hijacked a thread on BBFS to rant about the perils of BBBJ. Then an SP put up a poll with a set of questions that although well-meaning just made things more complicated. Believe it or not folks there is a science to writing polls to gather data properly. Then a hobbiest in attempt to clarify things posted an SP only poll with the same sort of problematic questions. The we have people cross-posting links irrelevant to the discussion on multiple threads. A serious breach of netiquette on any board. What angers me the most is that these arguments are not being made in the interest of health and safety, they are being made because some people feel they have an economic interest at stake. Case in point, an SP on here last night posting about how she felt that to keep her financial well being she had to offer BBBJ. The word being thrown around is coercion, which is pretty strong. It generally implies some sort of duress being applied. I don't think that a hobbiest choosing to see an SP who does BBBJ instead of CBJ is really duress. Particularly since the anecdotal evidence on these threads is that for the vast majority of the hobbiests it has no bearing. I am not going searching for facts, and transmission rates as someone on here has suggested. There is no need. A lot of what we do in this hobby has risks. Condoms are not 100% effective. I am not going to cite the failure rate here and have people shoot at my statistics, look it up. The point is that they break, slip off, and do not prevent all diseases, particularly herpes, warts and even HPV. (and I could add non-STI infections as well) And if you are going to look it up then Wikipedia and Ask.com may be a good place to start, but do us all a favour and try and find some primary sources. Dig deeper, and look at several sources, because there are a lot of different facts and statistics out there depending on who is presenting them. A lot of people on the internet have their own agenda. (surprise surprise) The fact of the matter is that this hobby is full of risks, and not just from STI's. The only safe way to avoid these risks is not to have sex or contact with another human at all. I don't think many of us would want to do that. How a person handles these risks, mitigates them, protects themselves and their partners is what is important. Is there a risk with BBBJ, yes there is. But there is also a demand for it, and not just from the hobbiests. I know many SP's who really don't like sucking on a latex condom. That is their choice. They know the risks. Is BBBJ the only risky thing we do in this hobby? Not by a long shot. My final word is this. Wanting to have a BBBJ or a CBJ is a personal choice. Wanting to provide either is also a personal choice. If you choose not to provide that service then live with your decision. If someone else makes a different choice it is none of your business. You can say it is coercion, but I would also say that trying to use peer-pressure on a board like this to try and convince your competition to do something different is also coercion. To the mod(s) as I have shown here we have debated this thread ad nauseum over the years, and nothing really new has been added to the mix. We now have 3 similar threads. Can we at least merge them, if you are not going to lock them?

This statement really saddens me Peachy. You should never be put in that situation, although it happens all the time and many won't speak up about it but you had the courage to do so. If your clients have said directly to you, that they will not see you anymore if you no longer offer BBBJ, I myself would have ended the business relationship right then. They should respect your choice if you choose not to offer it anymore and clearly by making that statement they don't respect your possible choice or you. I don't play games and will never be bullied or pressured to do something I don't want to and if anyone was to try, I will cut all ties to that person quick. Whatever you decide there are many ladies that are here for you and will support your choice and many who do not provide BBBJ and do just fine. All my love and support, Lexy

I wouldn't put it that way. All we're seeing is a difference of opinion between some folks who think this would be great, and some who prefer their meetings to remain strictly private, and some who may fall in one camp but care about what others may feel. And, of course, all those who are somewhere in between. Similarly, SPs differ in their preferences on recos; some may be happy with guys posting blow-by-blow accounts of appointments, others prefer to keep some stuff private, and a few prefer not to have anything written at all. My gut feeling is that there's plenty of scope here for ladies to write anonymized accounts of particularly good encounters, although any who do so will obviously have to be prepared to deal with questions along the lines of, "Why didn't you write about ME???". And yes, obviously the same questions arise whenever any of us guys see a SP or MA and don't choose to write a reco... but - if you'll all forgive the observation - I suspect the ladies are better at dealing with this than we guys are. SPs are by their very nature a pretty tough bunch, in general, whereas I think we guys are rather more delicate, especially where easily-bruised egos are concerned...

Have you seen Nathalie Lefebvre in her yoga pants? OMG. http://lovely-nathalie.com/photos-video/

Peachy here I feel has a great asset Additional Comments: Can't forget the CMJ ladies

Morning all! While I was "off" recovering, had lots of time to think (I know, I know it does not happen often!). Thought about all the lovely Ladies who are so talented, I just wanted to point it out and say "thank you". We have Ladies who are full time MP's or SP's. We have Ladies who balance "traditional" work lives, in the government, at hospitals, in offices, in banks, etc. and then spend time with us hobbyists. And we have Ladies who are still in university and college, some even in Masters level courses handling that workload, then spending time with us. Then we have the Ladies who balance their work lives with children, then work, then with us. To all of you, thank you. You are special folks who work hard to make us hobbyists happy. The Liquor

I am posting this as remider that we are not super hero's and we are not invinciable! I came across this artical in hopes to just remind us that in our lifestyle, we need to be informed no matter how hard we want to put this issue in a box, and out of mind, we simly cant! http://metronews.ca/news/canada/609197/new-brunswick-officials-issue-std-warning/ This post is not intended to scare you, or annoy you, but just for a reality check. Play safe:)

Thank you for organizing another social, Angela! I will be there if spots are still available.

As humans do we need this to become well rounded compasionate adults. Can we exist happily without it? Do we need the basic aspects of it, ie: to be needed, wanted, touched every so often, could we exist happily without it, or as humans is it a necessary to be "coupled" and loved by another-long term- to be "complete". Some say that humans are at the top of the pyramid because of our understanding of our emotions and needs for them. But do we really? Our emotions do not live in the rational part of our brain yet we are always trying to rationalize and understand them and then why were the first tests to demonstrate a need for love then done on monkeys?As a dog lover and owner I see the exhibition of love and their need for it on a daily basis. Other animals mourn the loss of their young, that is a form of love. I feel love IS a necessary for all beings we just display it differently and as humans perhaps put more importance on it than other species, we have actually made businesses of it. What's your opinion on the subject?

I like gentlemen who are kind, thoughtful, gentlemen of all shapes and sizes and income brackets . Those who appreciate a woman and all she encompasses, the whole package. Those gentlemen who take your feelings into account, who see beyond the exterior and want to experience you not just as an object but as a human being, those who don't seek perfection but want to help you be better. Those who are aware that we try hard to please them and are thankful for us and are aware that we sometimes make mistakes and forgive us for them. Thatsmy type.

Just use what you said in this question for your introduction to the lady that interest you. I edited it below ... I think its actually pretty polite and within reason. :D lets see what other has to say.

Hello gentlemen, it's a beautiful day outside and it's time to get out here and have some fun!! The sun is shining and it's perfect day for a nice little massage here with your favourite travelling girl Available ONLY until 6pm this evening !! I'm a model tall 5'10, a curvy woman's body that's got the perfect shape you've been looking for! I've got bright green eyes that will put you in a daze and a smile that'll melt you inside. A bubbly, sweet and perky personality that'll get you smiling and feeling amazing! I offer a great massage and slippery, sensual body slides that you won't soon forget! Come be teased and pleased by me, & add that perfect part to your day!! Check out pictures at : http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=6723 Call to book an appointment while you can at 613-820-8887 ! She's planning more travelling... so come get her while you can... they don't call her Travelling Charlie for nothing!

What disturbs me most about the article is that someone intentionally went cruising for victims, much like the predators that stalk SPs; with intention of transmitting a disease. If the client base knew how many crazies providers deal with, this article wouldn't seem inflammatory, it would just make sense as to why she posted the link... cat

Why is it that I come up with some of the most witty and acerbic retorts hours after a conversation has ended?

Why is it that people insist on driving very slowly in the left-hand lane on the highway?

Originally, I went by Erin_xo. Erin was what my mother originally wanted to name me and I picked it on the fly. Then, I decided that didn't really represent me and I picked Berlin. I went through a bunch of baby-names databases and wrote down a bunch that I liked, but Berlin was the one that stuck. It's also the name of a character in the movie The Life of David Gale--a student who sleeps with her professor :) Those who know me know that I get a serious ladyboner for academic types.

I get asked to bring my yoga outfits (I wear nothing but Lulu lemon, hihi) just as much as I get asked to bring sexy French lingerie :) I recently had a client who wanted me to do very suggestive yoga moves with my outfit on. To spice it up a little bit, I poured a glass of cold water on my white and fit t-shirt (I was bare breast under), and then surrounded by mirrors I executed myself with very flexible moves. The water was cold as ice but the ambiance was hot as hell!

I am very new to this whole experience (just pre-booked my first pooning session for 2 weeks from now), but I think that the female body has such intricacies and subtleties that by discriminating against things like stretch marks is a touch over the top. But things that I look for is someone that responds quickly and can do so with a sense of humour. I prefer the 20-30 age group but that is because of my age, but depending on how my first experience goes a may be open to older demographics as well. I just figure for a first time experience I'd like to have someone close to my age... Who knows I could be wrong but from what I can tell from the SP I have booked with she seems to excited to pop my pooning cherry.

I don't think that SP's should feel the need to publicly praise their clients. It's a business relationship. Are our ego's so fragile that we need a lady we paid to express how much fun she had with us? I don't really think that that's what the relationship is all about. If ladies want to recommend clients to each other, I'm sure its more on the merits of cleanliness, safety and respect...and they have a private area to do so. I don't think when they are looking for recommendations from each other that it has much to do with how hard a client made them cum...but of course I could be wrong.

What I took issue with was the incredibly homophobic, sex-negative, and whorephobic approach you took in your post. To recap: I would love to see your stats on this "guess" of yours. Stoya is a well-spoken porn actor who speaks to this subject quite frequently: http://stoya.tumblr.com/post/32205235912/testing-vs-condoms-in-pornography Emphasis mine. Racism, homophobia, and assumptions of drug use. Awesome. Again, I would love to see your proof to these claims. What on earth is a "meat and potatoes" std? Again with the homophobia. You know that people who have sex with other people of the opposite sex engage in anal sex as well? It's not a "gay thing". Again with the assumptions. Did you know that STIs are on the rise in the senior population, and they have theorized that it is because these individuals who are now finding themselves widowed and are engaging in new sexual relationships were not raised in a culture that promoted condom use and safer sex? Another assumption. Sorry, what? Again: source please. Actually, the transmission rate is about the same for oral sex on a person with a vagina, whether they are on their menses or not (it is considered a low-risk activity regardless of menses). Source: cdnaids.ca Someone's sexual identity does not put them more or less at risk of contracting an STI, it is the sexual activities they engage in and if they use safer sex practices.

I understand the confusion as both have risk. I feel that because of the increased sexual partners that an SP has, her risk increases exponentially. Myself as an example, my target is to see 1 client a day/5 days a week. Thats 260 encounters a year. Now most of my clients are repeats but I'm not naive enough to believe that I am the only provider they see so if 20 of them see a high volume provider each month (let's assume 100 clients/mth) once a month it increases my exposure to over 2000 people per month or 24 000 people per year. Those numbers are very scary to me. I can't calculate the odds of a client because it would vary for each man but if they actually thought about the number of people a provider is exposed to, I think it would have a sobering effect especially if they only see ladies who offer bbbj as in Ottawa those providers are much busier.. I also understand that some men have issues with condoms being used during oral but in 25 years I have never had anyone have an actual issue with it unless they have an ED issue. I can get a condom on a man without him even knowing it's there and have new clients stop me during FS to check if I've put it one on after coitus is underway. This has led me to believe that it's a mental block not a physical issue at hand. I've never been comfortable with unprotected anything but Canadian men are brutal when it comes to insisting on it. I offered it in '08 out of financial necessity but no longer put it on the menu. It just isn't worth it to me. Uncovered oral is something I do when I'm so connected with a partner that I have complete trust in them and in the relationship we have. I'm not a risk taker, I don't play the stock market, russian roulette or go to the casino. Playing the odds I've listed above just doesn't seem like a prudent move on either a business or personal level. This is suppose to fun and in my world, fun isn't accompanied by sleepless nights full of worry, a trip to the doctor or having to tell you significant other you have infected them with something that may impact their health... cat

Well well...seems this pussycat is going to come out from hiding and actually attend this event. My rubber arm has been twisted :)

Cause back in the day, this was my hair do (hmm, I guess it's still kinda the same lol) and all my friends called me Meg. I added the "forfun" cause I am, well, fun!

I will be organizing the next Ottawa social for both male and female CERB members in good standing on Thursday, May 9, 2013 in Ottawa. Since this is being organized by CERB members for other CERB members, please do not bother the MOD about this event. It will be held a centrally located venue in Ottawa. It will be in a reserved room of a public bar/restaurant. It will run from approximately 6:30 p.m. until closing time. There will be a variety of music played and dancing will be encouraged. There will be a limit of 60 spots available (ideally 30 gents/30 ladies), on a first-come, first-served basis to those members in good standing who have some presence on the board or in the hobby (if you have a low post count, but good rep, that's all we care about). There will be a cost for gents to attend and tickets will be available starting the first week of April. You will be able to pay by e-mail money transfer, postal money order or cash (in person in advance to me.). The price of the tickets will be $45. This is to cover drinks for the ladies, appetizers, door prizes and other expenses associated with organizing these events. There will be no cost to the ladies to attend, however you will have to confirm 3 days before the event that still intend on coming due to the fact we always sell out and end up with a waiting list. If you didn't get a chance last time, you will be given first priority. I am looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting new ones. This is a meet and greet social event in a public venue (no hanky panky :smile:) and as with past events, expect all attendees to behave accordingly. Remember, CERB members from all across Canada (and elsewhere) are welcome to attend. If you think you might like to join us, feel free to pm and let me know. Angela of Ottawa Your humble social organizer.

Love is so enormously important. At its strongest it promises that you can transcend that fundamental human barrier: "maybe I'm not alone after all." When romantic love is at its height, it's almost supernatural in its intensity and its power to transform our sense of who we are. Finding That Person feels like it's part of the awesome clockwork of the universe. "I've finally found my soul mate! She completes Me!" But over time, you realize... that's an illusion. She's just a human being, not the answer to the puzzle that is You. You MADE her into that ridiculously superhuman creature in your own mind. In the end yes, you care about each other, but she's not there by Fate. Same with that overwhelming supernatural bond with children. "He's my perfect little darling baby! His love is absolute and unconditional! It's the wonder of reproduction! This completes Me!" ... until you discover that no, your child is actually a separate human being with his/her own ambitions, not just an extension of your own ego. You might wake up one morning to the sad discovery the the kid you thought was so wonderful is actually just another asshole, and you need to keep your distance. Both of those feelings of love are overwhelming and wonderful while they last. You'd do ANYTHING for your girlfriend/boyfriend/son/daughter. But... that's just your reproductive faculties speaking. If you don't recover from the spell and get some perspective, then the object of your love can seize on that unquestioned commitment and manipulate you to your ruin. Your husband can treat you like crap or fritter away everything you own, but you'll stay because it's Fate and he's The One. Your kid can steal your car and rape and murder, but you'll mortgage your house and burn your savings for Him or Her because S/he is EVERYTHING to you. It's madness. It's your genes talking, and your genes are mindless idiots. That said... I'm realistic but NOT cynical about love. I think it's fantastic and one of the most valuable and constructive emotions we have. Because we're NOT alone. Granted, that supernatural sense of transcendent connection is an illusion, but there is SOME connection with the people who do love you back, and that's critical. In the end, love and its outcome is exactly what you make of it through your decisions and your actions. Be devoted to the people who care about you and who have proven themselves reliable. Do for them, as they do for you. Build a family, not based on shared genes or what you said 20 years ago in front of a priest, but with the people who year after year have proven themselves worthy of your commitment and devotion. Don't live in solitude; it wastes the best part of being human. And love is the glue that keeps such human allies together. "Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried, Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel." (Oh, and dogs too. Naturally they're honorary human beings. But you knew that.)

The same for me,personality and attitude go a long way,you can be drop dead gorgeaus but if you have a shitty attitude I loose all intrest. But if you are cute and have a great attitute it just make you that more attractive

Rebecca, you're awesome and I had a great time with you. Keep on doing what you're doing and don't worry about it because I thought you were fantastic. You give such a warm and comfortable experience, I don't know why anyone would want to reduce it to some small subset of what you have to offer.

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Actually, I DO put it that way because the people who are tut-tutting about this thread are doing so without having understood the actual intent of the original request. There are many serious topics which require serious commentary. There are some that are off-limits and deserve to be shouted down. I don't think it's fair, however, for people to come in and criticize a thread for something that is completely outside of the scope of its intent. Go back and read carefully. This was never intended to be a DIRECT review of a PARTICULAR client. It was meant to be generic stories from providers about good encounters with no identifying details. The points you and the others are making are all legit IF we were talking about specific reviews of specific clients but this is not the case here. I think this thread could have been a wonderful learning resource for clients wishing to become real lady-pleasers. Now it's become just another argument over semantics. Kind of a bummer.

I just got the news that I landed another modelling job for an amazing designers new clothing line for their website and catalog. I'm so excited:icon_biggrin:!

Have you seen: http://www.girlsinyogapants.com/ I wasted an afternoon there....

Why is it that the days I decide to take off or are otherwise engaged are the days when my phone rings off the hook?

I can say without question I need love in my life. It's important for me not only to share the good times but more importantly for support during the down times. That can come from family, friends, etc. or even from your pets. After a bad day at work, walking through the front door and being greeted by wagging tails and sloppy kisses from my 2 dogs puts me in a better mood instantly. And I think for many of us gentlemen on here, the same can be said for time we spend with the lovely ladies of cerb. To spend some quality time with a lady I've established a trust and connection with, leaves me smiling and happy for days. It's not love, but it's nice to be appreciated, accepted and made to feel special! And I love that feeling!

I posted in the other thread on this similiar topic but I'll post words to the same effect here. For a gentleman who gets a public recommendation/review written by a lady it can possibly be flattering...an ego boost What about a client who did nothing wrong, the encounter was textbook ok just no chemistry, or maybe he liked her and did everything right but she felt no chemistry, to her he was just a passable client but nothing special. He gets no reco. And he might then feel slighted if none is written A lady's way of acknowleging and thanking a gentleman for a good encounter comes from post encounter emails, pm's etc. And she most likely will give a reference if asked. And she will see the gentleman for future encounters But, with the exception of giving a reference if asked, the lady's way of acknowledging a good and special client is private between her and the gentleman, it isn't in my opinion really something for public disclosure on an escort recommendation board. It serves no purpose that I can see. RG

thanks so much!

to me, i have a live and let live attitude. Im a SAFE GFE, and i don't get mad at ladies providing bbbj's or bbfs, even though i personally feel they both activities have the potential to my health and life at risk. I've learned in this industry that what is right for me may not be right for someone else. As has been stated so many times on here before,by clients and sp's alike, a ladies body is her decision, its her business and she can run it how she see's fit. That being said, I don't understand how its not ok to judge or shun a lady for providing BBBJ, but it is ok to judge and shun a lady who does BBFS. Just like a BBBJ, if a lady has weighed and judged the risks of BBFS and decides she wants to do it, who am I to say anything? Like as stated in the bbbj thread, if there's a demand for a certain service, the lady can either offer it or not. If business drops off, then "she has a decision to make" as so eloquently stated. If as a safe gfe i cannot ( and do not)judge ladies who do bbbj, how can i or anyone else judge ladies providing bbfs? In my mind that makes no sense. We cannot say it's ok to judge in one situation but not another. To me a bbbj is just as scary as bbfs. However, i understand that the women providing both of these services have weighed and judged the risks in their minds, and decided that for whatever reason they want to provide them. That is their choice and I respect it. I have no right to judge anyone. There was a time when bbbj was taboo, now it is the norm. Clients ask for it, so ladies oblige. Naturally, now some clients are asking for BBFS, and from the demand, there are some ladies who are just providing what their clients are asking for. We can't pick and choose when its ok to point fingers and when its not. To sum it up, it's your life, do with it as you see fit. everyone can do whatever they want, its a free society!

Why does Tim Horton's coffee taste better in house than when it's made at home?

As I'm reading this thread in my hotel room down south away of vacation. This topic comes up just about every year (BBBJ) I would like to think, firstly and most importantly that everyone gets themselves tested regularly without fail if you participate regularly in the hobby. Secondly it is the 'control' of the service provider of what she is 'providing' not ever to be forced into providing a service because of what? supply and demand ? Everyone has their choices in this lifestyle, and no one should ever pressured into doing something they do not want to do. When I contact a provider the only question I ever ask, if she allows DFK never the topic of CBJ or BBBJ, as I get older I look for the sensuality,erotic play,the GFE experience the hugging,chatting the love making, as I say most times "I'm not about wham bam thank-you mam" For me it is the "COMPANIONSHIP" regardless if it is a BBBJ or CBJ

I actually want to add a BIG thank you to all the members who have started posting quality posts. In the last 24 hours I have seen 10 times more moderated (new member) posts and a lot of good quality comments coming in! So to all those who are sharing and contributing thank you. I know I am venting a little as it upset me with the people complaining. I felt I missed the most important part of this and that was to thank all the people who needed the push to post and have started to join in the conversations and community. Welcome.

It's as dangerous as you think. It's a lot like a client saying to an SP, "hey, can I draw some of my blood with this needle and inject it into your veins during our session? Don't worry, I'm totally clean." It's a ridiculously stupid, reckless, and insulting thing to expect. I think there are two things going on here: a) the client may genuinely feel like sex with a condom just isn't the same and he really wants the full unprotected thing (and he's a complete idiot, ignorant or for some reason indifferent to the obvious risks to health and life for both involved) b) the client wants to prove he can force his will past the woman's sensible boundaries; essentially proving "my money puts me in charge and you will deny me nothing I want". Anyone looking for this is simply insane.

While I completely agree that being a success in our profession is all about establishing an identity and offering terrific service, and while it's also true that a lot of the free or cheap advertising sites are full of new companions who don't seem to know what they're doing, it's also true that entering this business is never easy. Most women become paid companions because they're in a significant crisis of some kind. It's extremely rare for someone to make a considered, deliberate, well-researched decision to become a prostitute. New providers usually model what they see; these days that means ads on CL and BP. When asked for advice, I often encourage women to join an agency rather than attempt to launch themselves as independent from the get-go. They'll have more security, someone else will post their ads, some kind of screening is usually in place and, most important of all, they're more likely to talk to other women in the industry. They'll also find out whether they can do the work, which is much more difficult than anyone imagines when she starts out. Unfortunately, a lot of women are in such difficult circumstances that they're not able to take good, sensible advice. They're terrified of being discovered, they hope that this is just a temporary career move and they don't want anyone to know what they've been doing, including other prostitutes and escort agencies. They make mistakes that they could have avoided. Too often, they're forced to deal with dangerous situations without any preparation ahead of time or support afterward. When I see these ads, I always worry. New companions are more easily bullied, coerced, confused and blackmailed than those of us who have been around for awhile. Their health and safety are at considerable risk. And because of their extreme isolation, the likelihood that they will get into something that they can't manage is very high.