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Thanks to you.. You are such a sweetheart! Yes, sometimes it sad to read that kind of stuff.. But the funniest part is that the one who *always* have something bad to comment about everything are the one who need to look to themselve in the mirror. I have been called "fat" on this *erb by someone who is 3times my size...LOL To be honest, I dont really care as Im comfortable with my body (most of the time.. Im a woman after all! Lol) and there is a lot of men who likes me the way I am.. !! Im honest on my description and my pictures.. If Im not your type, you can keep it for yourself! No? Lol I dont even log into that board anymore.. No time for such negativity! Nobody is perfect after all! ;)

Personally any compliment that is honestly and freely given generates positive energy and can turn any moment into an extraordinary moment. As long as they are sincere they don't come off as creepy. If people react negatively or dismissively, don't take it as a waste, it was simply deflected good energy and the person probably wasn't open to it anyway. The nice thing about this type of thing is that it usually starts a reaction, a pay it forward. If it makes you feel good, you want to make someone else feel good and before long, things are good. Keep it light and playful and most people don't react badly to it. Mind you some react with a blank stare like "what just happened" because they're not used to it. I compliment on cool hair colors, jewelry, clothes, smiles or just someone enjoying a moment. So far, no one has reacted badly. I love it....bring it on!

Its all right, you made a mistake and apologized. Thank you. Now you understand how things work. But don't have any inhibitions when it comes to contacting anyone. We want any gentleman that reaches out to any of us to feel comfortable and wanted when doing so. Be thoughtful, respectful, polite and you'll receive the same + in return. Look at the profiles available when you are here pick who you find an attraction to then contact her through her requested protocol. As we all have different ways we like to be contacted, some prefer texts, some pm's, some phone calls, etc, etc. Then if the attraction continues book an appt:) You can find out more about any of us through reco's, our posts, websites to help with your decision. But please don't feel chased of by a mistake, we all make them, just move on and have fun:)

Hmm. Seems like I didn't think this one through. Just thought it might be an interesting idea, but I didn't think about how the ladies may feel about it. I certainly didn't want it to be taken as a "work for your supper situation" but I now see how it looks in the light of day. I guess I find the initial contact the most stressful part of the hobby, and I thought I could get around it in this way. Boy was I wrong Believe me, I have the utmost respect for the ladies of CERB. You are all truly beautiful women inside and out. I take this as a sign that I have to step back and reevaluate what I say and do. I apologize for anyone I have offended with this post. I am truly sorry

Unfortunately- I have my profile set to private. You must add me as a friend before having access to my page. IF I could hand select specific people of threat or disinterest that I could block I would have kept my profile public and only blocked the few people I rather not have access to anything about me. Some people linger on your page with a hidden agenda or follow the contacts/messages you leave between guestbooks, Some people I just do not like.... etc etc. Until the option of being able to ignore chosen poisonous type people (Usually not even clients) My Profile Will Remain Private. Feel free to add me or message me tho ;)

Before you get overly flamed for this, you should know that sps sending out solicitation type pms and messages etc is against the site rules. Sps place ads, and respond to direct communication. which means it is entirely up to you to read the ads/websites, recommendations and initiate communication yourself. We are not here to audition for a casting calls lol and it is unfortunate to mention that you may actually get some messages due to this thread but the sps you probably should be seeing are the ones who will not contact you and now not want to see you due to having to come up with some kind of over the top performance to impress you, and no one really likes that.

To put it bluntly, these men who say these things still had sex that `fat pig`` , the SP with `gross acne scars`and the chick `with cellulite that looked like an orange peel``. We are NOT models and never claim to be ``perfect``. You are paying us for our time and YOU paid to be with her and did not walk away so to write about this is almost like an oxymoron. What I would say is take a look in the mirror. Are you Brad Pitt yourself. Just because you are paying, doesn`t mean you`re better or holier than thou. To the men who do appreciate us, thank-you! We certainly appreciate you!

Many guys tend to fall in lust ( not love) with the idea of the SP and what *they* think she is or the image she portrays in her business. I am pretty much a genuine person but I also have my faults/flaws and am not perfect. Some clients tend to fall in love with the illusion we offer. It's a fantasy and that is what draws men towards SP. Personally, I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me and for an SP, it is extremely awkward to have to deal with a customer who crosses boundaries and doesn't respect them. Do you really want to know all of me including the not so good side? Most likely not. I once had to deal with this sort of situatuon with someone who isn't a Cerb member and met them as a client through another type of escort advertising. Having to be put on the spot about phrases like "I think you're great and I consider you a friend. I would really like to take you out to dinner or a movie." or "Anytime you feel horny, give me a call." And all the while knowing full well about my personal situation and NOT respecting it by pushing their way in. How am I supposed to respond to this? Shall I be clear, blunt and be a bitch and say "Is this off the clock?" or "Okay, I can go out with you, it's going to be this much." How is a client who is clearly falling for an SP going to respond to this? I know what it's going to be...disappointment, rejection and I'm a money hungry bitch. it will be all put back on me when I'm just trying to do my job but put in a situation where it is only one sided. I'm not looking for a boyfriend or to hang out on the side! I am well aware that some ladies do this and some unsavory women may use men despite the type of job they hold in this industry but I'm not one of those women. I see my clients, give it a 100% when I'm with them and that's it untll they decide to call or text me again. I do not contact them out of the blue, use them to my advantage to get extra money by leading them on. That's not the way I roll. I am not interested in having personal friendships with my clients and maintain two different worlds. Sorry to say but it can only go so far. Having to let someone down isn't easy because they are going to feel rejected either way even if it's put in a nice, polite way. If an SP isn`t being reciprocal in your advances to take time to see each other off the clock, take a hint and understand why. She is doing her job! I refuse to have a client turn this around on me and make me feel bad when THEY decide to blur the lines. if this is the case and my boundaries are not respected, I will no longer take them on as a client and it's not my fault. If a client can't understand the difference between a real friendship ( without being paid) and one with an SP who he pays, then he has to deal with some issues of his own. I've encountered a few clients who really did blur the lines and were in denial and didn't want to think of their favorite SP as someone who was in a business relationship with them. Often times, they have issues going on in their lives and quickly attach themselves emotionally to an SP due to the imtimate intricacies involved in an encounter. Many clients have said to me that they feel when they're with me that they don't even feel like they're with an SP because it feels so natural but they really are with an SP! Don`t get me wrong... I really do enjoy what I do for a living but it`s what I do for a living and I am good at it. It is not something that coincides with my personal life. If my personal life is affected and I feel anxious or awkward every time a clients pushes the boundaries, money is not an issue with me when it comes to my mental and emotional state. They will be asked not to return. Respect your SP..

Its commonplace to here negative stories and aspects of our line of work, escorting/providing. What it can do to "womanhood", how we are homewreckers, that its demoralizing, sinful, the cause of other crimes, blah, blah, blah! So I wanted to state some positive! This business has allowed me to become independent, completely so.:) Its greatly increased my self esteem. Actually, believe it or not its caused me to be more careful about my eating habits. Having to be naked often, causes me to eat less and more carefully than I would if I knew I'd never have to expose myself:) It allows me to be completely uninhibited, has taught me a lot about my own body and sex. I've also learned a lot of very positive things about men and their bodies;). It satiates my high drive, causes me to exercise more than I would normally. As an introvert I probably wouldn't have met the amount of really great people I've met had I chosen another line of work. I am a much more confident and carefree person because of this business. Probably more empathetic as well:) Yes there have been some rough times and some minor bumps but that would happen in any line of work I suspect. All in all my choice to provide has been a beneficial and a happy and positive experience :)

Well you'd think with all the stereotypes held about "the biz" I would have stumbled into a hooker, prostitute, streetwalker, lady of the night or whatever other term of the day is used since embarking on this lifestyle. Well I haven't. I have however met ladies. Ladies who are bright, intelligent, pleasant, sociable. They don't meet society's stereotype of a sex worker at all. In fact, when I first embarked on this lifestyle, the one stereotype I had was this was about anonymous sexual encounters only. Boy was I wrong. First I didn't know how much I missed female companionship, not just sexual, but all aspects of being with a woman. And second, no anonymity, they know my name,(in some cases my address too) whether it is a lady I'm seeing for the first time or a lady I see on regular basis. The ladies have integrity, honesty and are professional. In some cases they are friends. And most of all, their companionship helped fill a void in my life after my last break-up (and last time I dated) None of the stereotypes about "the biz" reflect my experiences. In fact the encounters I have had with ladies have been the most honest no strings attached relationships (for lack of a better word) I have had. A rambling RG

.. that is always easier to bash on people behind a computer!... Fortunately, there is a lot of great gentlemen on here!! :)

Or, more likely, the SP thinks you are mentioning this request in order to get a discount. As Emily J first indicated, perhaps you should lay out that you would be providing regular rates before mentioning your request. Good luck.

just to throw my 2 cents in my 2 favourite ladies in here is SexxxyRebecca and nicolette vaughn are they fat HELL NO just 2 beautiful ladies inside and out can't wait to see them again and yes i can lose 10 or 20 pounds just saying

I think I'm with Ms.Emily on this one. Sometimes I like to just lay back and be serviced. Sometimes, I like my partner to lay back and let me service her. Sometimes it's 50/50. There have been times when my pleasure from the lady has been so intense, I had no energy left to reciprocate. Simply too spent. Just wanted to lay and hold the source of my pleasure. The downside of a busy life, health and the aging process. :(

I've got to admit, I am a giver by nature! While I do like to receive almost as much, knowing and seeing that my playmate is enjoying what we're doing is what really gets my panties wet :p 69 is like the perfect medium, giving and receiving at the same time... yummy!

I don't blur the SP-Client relationship. All of my encounters I realise and recognize are at it's core, a business transaction, and that I never forget. That said, this is a very unique lifestyle and business, one dealing with intimacy and companionship, and has no comparison. For emotions coming into play, actually is IMHO natural. What you have to do, and I do, is keep your head on straight, and not let your emotions run you. I still recognize that the lady is a professional companion who sees other clients, and I have no delusions, I know I'm not the one and only LOL or the man of her dreams, but we are friends and I respect them, and they have shown me nothing but friendship and respect in return. There are for example, a couple ladies I consider friends. But the only time I see them is in scheduled paid encounters. No blurring of the lines here, I still respect the core boundary, that this is a paid business transaction, and that it the only time I will see them. But encounters are two friends getting together, not a SP meeting a client, if that makes sense. Does that lessen the friendship, IMHO no. It is just a unique friendship founded on a ongoing business arrangement. A rambling for what it's worth RG

Personally, I don't like thinking of the relationships I have in the industry as less real than relationships I have outside the industry. I also don't like thinking about this notion of "fantasy" versus "reality". Life is so much more complicated than real/fake or fantasy/reality. I think boundaries are really important between a service provider and client, but they are equally important in all relationships be they in the industry or not. People have different boundaries (sometimes fluid and sometimes not) for different reasons and I think it's important we respect the decisions people make about their relationships and business model(s).

Photographing a BBW is not as easy as everyone thinks.Just because you have a camera dosn't mean you know what you are doing.And not just because you have a $3000 camera does not make you a shooting star either.I have come across all types of people,professional photographers and some of them really don't know what they are doing.So figured I would give a few tips on shooting a BBW & Plus Size woman. You cannot and should not shoot a BBW girl the same way that you shoot a skinny girl or spinner as most us "Cerbians " say (Is That a real word) It will just not work.Many have tried and failed.I have used professional photographers to shoot,And guess what - lol they failed!! Some of them even go as far as saying that they have shot for" so and so" company.But I tried them out and was very disappointed.Wasted my time and money. Please dn't get me wrong I am not an expert with photography neither am I a photographer.I am just speaking simply based on my experienced over the years. Spinners have many advantages over BBW Girls in the photography department no one is questioning that.But at the same time BBW Girls have several advantages over Spinners when it comes to being in a photoshoot. Let me elaborate for you here that a Spinner can stand (full frontal ,back or side) anyway she likes and still do not have to hide or tuck anything in.Thats one reason why spinners can look good in a bikini almost all the time.That same pose cannot allways work for a BBW or Curvy Girl.Lets not fool ourselves thinking it can be done ..because it can't I have tried it myself. One simple fact that people fail to realize is that BBW ladies come in many shapes and sizes there are many variations within a BBW,Whilst Spinners have fewer variations. BBW Girls have the main 3 shapes: Pear,Apple and Hour Glass.But within these 3 shapes you have variations of each shape even to point of extremes.There is even such a thing called extreme Peas ,Apples & Hourglasses.In my opinion photographers should not photo shoot these types of BBW ladies the same.There are no rules Im sure of it - just saying it makes it easier if they didn't.Each shape has its own way of photographing,thats if the photographer takes his or her craft serious like they claim. The single and most important factor in photographing a BBW is the Pose. I have seen many photographs that "spinner" photographers have shot of BBW ladies and they are just that... Photographs.No love,No Dept,No feeling.Just a simple photograph.As far as I am concerned they could have photographing a glass of water or the Great Wall Of China.When I do come across a photographer from time to time who knows photograph a BBW you se it "in" the photograph.No jokes just plain and simple seriousness,love and devotion. Another important factor in photographing a BBW and this factor applies to everyone else is to focus on the eyes.The eyes are the window to the soul.So when you have captured the woman's eyes in the photograph everything else will fall into place if you pay attention.This is simply achieved by having her look directly into the eye of the camera (I do own a camera btw its a NIkkon D7000:-).When you feel her looking at you then you can take the picture.Nine times out of Ten you will have a great photograph.Bearing in Mind if you followed the most important factor of all ,the pose.If the pose and eye contact are there you will have an awesome photograph.If not,take the photo again.It does not really matter what the BBW is wearing.Hopefully she is enthusiastic about taking photographs.I'm sure nothing is more annoying than a BBW who dosn't want to take many photographs because it will show in her eyes.Never force a BBW to take too many photographs because you will have the worst pictures ever,thus making you look bad as a photographer...lol and trust me she will get so really aweful photos . Now that I have pointed out the dos and donts of taking photographs of BBWs lets examine "BBW" Facial Expression And trust me you have to practice this.Its not easy.So everytime you look at the mirror try several expressions.Its going to be weired at first but believe me it works.Stare at yourself in the mirror and and hype yourself up whilst doing that.Talk to yourself in the mirror ,in your mind not out loud.Its self building and builds confidence.Works for me.I look into the mirror and I say to myself ,mostly out lous that I am awesome.Been doing it for years and said it so much and everyday that I actually feel that I am awesome. The Posing The best pose are the most uncomfortable.Whatever is good for you in life is always is always the hardest thing to do.Why,I have no clue.In my experience when I say that a certain pose hurts,its usually the best shots.And of course the photographer have to take these shots fast as cause def cant hold it for long.So Ladies remember that beauty is pain. Chin Tucking Its when you tuck in your face so a double chin becomes more visible.It makes you look fatter and have no neck.Secret to overcoming this is simple.Everytime that you are being photograph poke your head out and tilt forward or to a side and feel confident to the point of outright dominance. Background Leave the background as it should be a background.Do not focus on the picture on the wall If you are trying to shoot certain parts of the BBW.Nothing is more annoying than looking at booty shot and theres your grand parents pictures in there or other stuff. As I always say Real Woman Are Curvy :-)

Faster then a speeding bullet, Thanks for the many humorous, sexy, silly posts! Love your no BS approach too:) Looking forward to reading more in the future:)

Well done, Stevey! Keep'em coming. Good contributions. Thanks.

Congratulations sir on your first 500 posts. Your posts are straight, funny and honest. I look forward to many more.

Luv my new set of Ellen Underwear. Very soft cotton.

Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker from All In The Family) RG

I can't add to the words already expressed, I'm pretty sure everything's been said. For the ladies, I'm sincerely sorry you have to tolerate such nonsense. But as for the "men" who make such assinine, irrelevant, ignorant, knuckle-dragging comments, well, these walking wastes of flesh are the kind of mouth breathing vermin that give men everywhere a bad name. Most likely racist, homophobic high school dropouts who think a beer gut and a limited vocabulary make them "real men." Their barely literate opinion should never been given more weight than a laugh and the only thoughts I'd encourage anyone to spare them is disgust and the sincere hope that they fail to bread. My couple of pennies.

All the ladies I see are goddesses, and I am thankful to them for looking past my physical imperfections and still are willing to see me. You ladies are all beautiful and we men should appreciate (I know I do) the companionship and intimacy you provide us. A rambling from an appreciative gentleman RG

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Exactly!!! I have been in this business for over 30 years. I seen many SPs/MAs all across Canada and abroad and I never met any that were not willing to put there hands on my wiener. I even had to mention a few times its not an orange, no need to squeeze it tight to get the juices out lol As long as your willing to pay their regular rates, Ladies will just sit and talk if that's all you want.. Therefore the OP must be coming across as wanting just a hj for a lower rate!!!

Watched an oldie but goodie last night. The Great Escape Don't know how many times I've seen it, but enjoy it every time I watch it RG

Congrats Steveyk on reaching your first 500 post, keep up the great work!

The "biz or industry" is not at all what I was raised to believe it was. I was raised in a very religious family that would describe both SP's and me as a guest as terrible sinners. Thank heavens (pun intended) I developed beyond my puritanical upbringing! The biz for me has been some amazing sex and physical pleasure. But it has also been a wonderful source of companionship, (I dare say) friendships, learning, fun, joy and at times enlightenment. Not sure how I might survive without some of the ladies I interact with in the "biz". I'm sure at times it's hard to be an SP and not over analyze it, but I think there are so many things you provide to help many of us be productive happy male members our society beyond the great sex (which is important too :) ).

A special visit to the east and weekend hours added this week! Monday 10-4 west location Tuesday 9-3 EAST location Friday 11-7 west Saturday 10-4 Sunday 10-10 Dont miss out if you don't have to the chance to see me during the week. 613-523-6199 or pm to take advantage of my guest passes this week.

Well the way I see it....when I'm a givin' I'm a gettin'.... It's all good!

Curvy! :) Xoxo

Let our beautiful girls take care of your every need. That's what were here for ;) ...Indulge in what you deserve ! Saturday August 10th Courtney and Kiki Until 10 pm! Sunday August 11th Stacy 9-3 Courtney 3-10 Kiki 3-10 Not a CMJ member? Call 613-523-6199 to inquire about becoming one! xo

Just about any SP would do this if you approach her properly and pay her regular rate. It's not an unusual request at all. I don't really understand why you would have trouble finding this, unless there is something you have left out. I also don't understand why you wouldn't just see a regular, recommended MA, as this is their specialty.

This video. This is the highlight of the month. OMG. SHARKS!

"Is it better to give than receive?" That is a tricky question...which is probably why my favourite position is 69. :) Generally though, I'd agree with you that I often have more fun with the giving. I can't even claim I'm being altruistic, it's just such a turn on and so satisfying to give pleasure. Of course, there's also not much hotter than a lady who is enthusiastic about giving back and who am I to resist? Actually, don't you find a back and forth/give and take just sort of feeds off itself? It seems to me when you give some pleasure it makes the other person more eager to give some back...which makes me want to return the favour again, and so on in a wonderful cycle. It's like some sort of perpetual motion sex machine! :D

I like both giving AND receiving equally, and I don't have to choose between them and I never will. :) It's all about balance. That said, I really do love to please and can be fully satisfied by devoting all of my attention to the man in my company at the time :) I like to be that break in his day or week where he gets to just lay back and pleasured like a king for an hour or two. :) It makes me happy. I can equate it to like at Christmas when you are super excited to give a really awesome present you got for someone. Anyone with a heart knows that it truly does give you a good feeling to give. One can be quite satisfied just with that feeling of giving, but it is also really awesome when you receive something special from someone else too. (Like explosive DATY orgasms ;))

I'm actually doing this program and have done it in the past but you have to make it a lifestyle. This is where I've failed in the past. There are many diabetics in my family and I have a serious sugar addiction and an emotional eater. if I don't get it under control now, it will come back to haunt me later. I am a non smoker and do not have the vices like ciagrettes to keep me skinny. Sugar is the kiss of death for me!! While the first few days of Atkins is difficult, after the third day you will feel better. You will never feel deprived or hungry. The sugar and carb cravings will soon go away once it's out of your system. Most of the meals I make are regular lunches or dinners but just modified such as not eating spaghetti. I cannot and will no longer do low calorie or low fat diets. This is what causes serious health problems such as adding more carbs to low fat or fat free products. Atkins has received a bad rep for not allowing any carbs or kidney issues. This is bullshit. You can eat carbs and through the different stages, they are worked back in but with good carbs. No fruit is allowed during the first phase. You would also have to eat copious amounts of protein to have some sort of issues with kidneys. I did the Atkins program 8 years ago for 9 months straight and went back to the doctor to have my cholesterol checked. It went down significantly after eating doing this program. Bacon and eggs were one of the daily meals that I ate. In moderation of course. I have more energy and I sleep better. While it is easy to lose weight on this diet quickly, that is not what I'm initially focused on this time around. I've been doing diets since my early 20's and it hasn't gotten me anywhere. I've gone up and down so many times, that I've lost count. I'm working on it but I consider myself a work in progress. Once I lose it, I want it to stay off for good. I am not always in the induction phase of this program at the moment because I need to create the patterns for good eating habits and doing this has helped me a great deal. One has to make the conscious decision to follow a lifestyle all in moderation. There is no secret, no magic pill or anything else that will make weight loss effortless. It's all about a will to live a healthy life and modifying former bad food habits with some hard work and determination thrown in there. Exercise keeps me feeling better as well. I walk, run and bought a new mountain bike as well and go everyday for 30-45 mins. Atkins works well for me because of my sugar addiction. It's all or nothing with me. I find I can't eat sugar in moderation because once I get the first taste, it's all downhill from there. To make up for any lacking vitamin or nutrients on this program, I supplement them with vitamins. This program isn't for everyone but if sugar is your problem, it may be worth looking into. One way to determine your progress on this program is to go the pharmacy and buy some keto sticks. When you uriniate, dip the stick into it and if it turns pink to a dark purple then you are in ketosis which means you're burning your own fat for fuel. A side effect of this is bad breath because you're burning ketones through your mouth but it's nothing mouthwash or gum can't take care of. I've also listed some resources that I use and order products online from Toronto to follow the lifestyle. http://www.thelowcarbgrocery.com/catalog/low-carb-c-132.html?gclid=CJ779Oe387gCFUhgMgodjz8Aog http://www.lowcarbcanada.ca/ And Sugar Free Sheila...She has been a good inspiration and she's hot too! lol. http://www.sugarfreesheila.com/

Decided to go for a drive with no destination. I ended up stoping at a farmers market and picked up a few things. Since farmers market aren't really local to where I live I haven't gone in years. Omg the berries I picked up were so good, don't know if they are organic but certainly orgasmic. What a huge difference in taste and freshness from my chained owned local grocery stores.

I believe I have heard of operations in Canada, but the thing is hun, they are baiting for UNDERAGE workers( the pimps/agencies who hire them). And the MEN WHO ARE wanting to book minors. As long as you are not wanting to book with minors, then there is no problem. Even the bust in the States were only busting child/minor prostitute rings. Not responsible providers of age.

I would be mortified if I developed a hard on with a regular RMT. And that's how I found cerb: I have a great RMT who's sort of hot and it can be a challenge to stay in control. And then finally I thought, maybe I should look for someone where I don't have to worry. Call me naive, I had no idea of the wealth of options in Ottawa. But I still haven't taken the plunge yet.

Thank you for all of your replies. However, I decided to go ahead and set up an appointment before getting a chance to see any of these responses. My first experience with an SP. Definitely gotta agree that she is even more gorgeous in person than in her pics. Not a bad first experience at all. I explained to her that I was sort of nervous as this was a first for this type of "date". She was very understanding and did a great job making me feel comfortable with her. Great girl, it's a shame she doesn't visit Wpg very often. Appreciate the comments from everybody though, thanks again. I'm new to this forum and it's pretty cool to see so many folks offering their opinions and advice :)

ladiers and gents! tonight at the Rainbow Bistro in the market the Sin sisters will be hosting a new monthly which happens n the last Tuesday of every month. it features three sets...the first set starts at 9:30 and is performed by the veterans of the scene and the newer sin sisters...the second set is AMATEUR time! this is a great opportun ity for any ladies or boy-lesquers who want to be part of the show (and have approached the headmistress the month prior)..the final set is back to the veterans. this is going to be a great show..its a PRIDE fundraiser and the proceeds go towards the fee for the Burlesque community to have a spot in this year's pride parade! so expect to see a few rainbows tonight ;) when: 9pm-1am where: Rainbow Bistro on Murray street why: because there will be boobies! (duh!) cost: 8$ cover 19+

Fair enough, that is your view and you are certainly entitled to it. It is a true story that actually happened, so I make no apologies for telling it as it is. I did not give any info that would give away her identity and I never will. Just because it is a sensitive issue doesn't mean we should just sweep it under the rug and never talk about it. It is a discussion forum after all. This post was not specifically about her and her issues, but about SP-client relationships. If you find that the thread is too gossipy or slanderous, then you are welcome to ignore it. It original intent of the thread was not about her, so please stop directing attention to that particular issue.

Let me clarify then. This woman obviously has allowed you into her private life and it is now being written about in a public forum with a PM system. I view a post like this with all of it's implications akin to a quilting bee, rumour mill or a gossip circle. Even if it is true, it is none of our business and without her direct consent should not be a topic of conversation on a business internet forum. When a provider allows a client insight into her personal life it is a given that it is a privilege and therefore the information is not to be disclosed to the general public unless she herself has posted about it previously. Just because one person is privy to private information doesn't mean the community is in need of knowing. I do realize that you didn't give out information that would identify the SP to us but I'm sure you have received (or will) PMs asking who he speaks about. We never know who will say what to whom which is why we guard and protect all that is precious to us from clients. Just don't go there. She has obviously fallen into difficult times, it needn't become the topic of the week. Discretion is a verb and it goes both ways... cat

Doesn't sound bizarre at all. Intimacy is subjective. If you felt it was too much, you have every right to not do it. SPs aren't the only ones with boundaries. Any woman who would answer " Yes, I give in" may as well be wearing a target on her back that says, "Please ignore my boundaries." The fact that you use the terminology, "Give in" is monumentally disconcerting. No I don't give in. I do, however, have an expression on my face that says all I need to convey should any " man " keep trying to push past my level of comfort. It says, " Try that again & you will need a crash course in how to masturbate with only your feet ". You are essentially asking professional companions to publicly breach the confidence of a guest to satisfy, what I can only ascertain, a very invasive case of carnal curiosity. My answer to you would be, "It is none of your business what I do with him." Yes really. Believe it or not some of us have a personal life, we aren't 24/7 on call paid for vagina. And as shocking as this revelation may be to you, we are all very different people, ages, body type, hair/eye colour but mostly, in personality & boundaries. We weren't created in Petrie dishes & raised on special Hoochie Farms for God's sake. Now if she promised kissing, daty, whatever & then declined to offer it in person, only 2 reasons come to mind. 1- She lied to get you there, not cool. 2- Blow into your hand, take a whiff & ask yourself if you would let that stick it's tongue in your mouth. You also use the term "making love " repeatedly. As much as I enjoy my time with my guests & really get off on a lot of the sex, I am not making love to you. No amount of money you pay me buys my heart. Period. If you want a love making session where you will get the same thing each time, get a girlfriend. If you don't want that, you need to do a reality check on your SP expectations coupled with better research. So to answer more succinctly your thread title, " That's too intimate? Really? Yes. Really!!!! That's what happens when you deal with humans as opposed to robots. Sandi

I have to disagree with this statement. Most strip clubs have two very different atmospheres aimed at two very different types of clientele. There's the daytime atmosphere and the nighttime atmosphere. What you just described here is very much the nighttime atmosphere. The daytime atmosphere is much more aimed at the "local" crowd and doesn't really appeal at all to the younger crowd looking for a "party". The music volume is usually toned down (I can actually hear myself conversing with whatever dancer has my attention that day) and there's usually a lot less people, no coat check or their "silly rules". Also less dancers...which equals less drama. Ok granted the drinks are usually still expensive but that's the only similarity between daytime and nighttime atmospheres. In general, the daytime atmosphere is much more laid back and relaxed, both in and out of the CR. Even the attitudes of the dancers themselves are typically very different during the day as opposed to at night. I'm both a local and a fantasy seeker. And while I do indulge in SP's, I still do occasionally enjoy frequenting a stripclub. There's just something about the experience you can get in a stripclub that is very different from seeing a SP. Both have their merits. Both have their drawbacks. There's that excitement (almost taboo) factor of having a beautiful naked woman crawl all over you in a public place that you can't get with a SP. With a SP, once you've paid you pretty much know exactly what you're going to get...usually because it has been discussed in advance. Often times when the appointment was booked days in advance. And while those aspects of seeing a SP definitely have their merits, there's no denying that...it also loses a big part of that sense of spontaneity that you can get in a stripclub. I can stop in a stripclub at the last minute on a whim on my way home from work. I can't do that with a SP. There's also a definite excitement in NOT knowing what might or might not happen in that CR with a particular dancer as opposed to another. Sure you may end up dropping more $$ at a club than you would with an SP, and usually coming away with less "mileage"....but for many of us, those thrill and excitement factors I mentioned are what make it worth it. The thrill of the unknown if you will. I for one hope the stripclubs will be around to stay for a long time. What can I say? They're a turn on for me. As much as SP's are. While I don't go too often, and often will decide to see a SP instead of going to a club....I think I'd really miss having that option if stripclubs disappeared all of a sudden. And honestly....Pigales is probably the most "uppity" club in the area. I rarely go there because more often than not I won't have good time there. The atmosphere there is very much the "nighttime party" atmosphere regardless of the time of day. Some people may like that but it's not my scene. If you're looking for more laid back clubs which are aimed at locals and have a more relaxed atmosphere, I don't think it's fair to judge the other clubs in the area based on your experience at Pigales. IMO, as far as atmosphere goes, Pigales is not a fair representation of the other clubs in this area.

What I took issue with was the incredibly homophobic, sex-negative, and whorephobic approach you took in your post. To recap: I would love to see your stats on this "guess" of yours. Stoya is a well-spoken porn actor who speaks to this subject quite frequently: http://stoya.tumblr.com/post/32205235912/testing-vs-condoms-in-pornography Emphasis mine. Racism, homophobia, and assumptions of drug use. Awesome. Again, I would love to see your proof to these claims. What on earth is a "meat and potatoes" std? Again with the homophobia. You know that people who have sex with other people of the opposite sex engage in anal sex as well? It's not a "gay thing". Again with the assumptions. Did you know that STIs are on the rise in the senior population, and they have theorized that it is because these individuals who are now finding themselves widowed and are engaging in new sexual relationships were not raised in a culture that promoted condom use and safer sex? Another assumption. Sorry, what? Again: source please. Actually, the transmission rate is about the same for oral sex on a person with a vagina, whether they are on their menses or not (it is considered a low-risk activity regardless of menses). Source: cdnaids.ca Someone's sexual identity does not put them more or less at risk of contracting an STI, it is the sexual activities they engage in and if they use safer sex practices.

Hah, could you see the Blue Cross attendant who files the claim? "Where do I file a :handjob: ? " :icon_cool: