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I have been the victim of sexual assault. That is NOT something I am going to talk about here, but if you are saying victims of sexual assault will feel belittled by Georgiana's post, I point it out to say that I am a victim of sexual assault, and I do not in any way feel belittled by what she had to say. I don't believe that was her intention at all, and I didn't infer any of that from what she had to say. I'm sorry if you feel that way, and I appreciate it if you feel you're trying to stand up for something, or someone, but I truly believe you're placing ill-intentions behind a post that was not made with any ill-intentions whatsoever. We all need to keep in mind that sometimes people use the wrong word, or a sentence can be typed a bit too fast, or whatever the reason may be that an online post isn't read the way it was typed. But I honestly agree with her - I do not think that anyone should feel 'contractually obligated' to perform. If, for every encounter, I had to sit there and think 'Did I kiss him deep enough, was the blowjob long enough' etc etc, and worrying about if I'd fulfilled my end of the contract.... well honestly, I wouldn't keep doing this because it wouldn't be fun. I tell my clients that I don't do anything I don't wanna do - and that's true. If something doesn't feel good, I won't do it. And if someone was to say 'Nope, you need to let me continue going down on you, even though your clit is sensitive from that orgasm, because you told me there would be no limit on how long I could DATY, it's in our contract'. Jeebus. Where is the fun in that? THat WOULD feel like coercion. That isn't a word anyone wants involved in an encounter , but I also don't think that the use of that word means Gia was playing any kind of 'trump card'.

I think this has been brought up before, although perhaps it was on another thread, but you cannot have any legal contract that forces a person to perform a sexual act, or that punishes him or her for failing to perform that act. There are other rights that take precedence over contract law. So in terms of talking about a legal contract that can be enforced, I don't believe there can be one. In terms of compensation made to the client if a discussed act was not performed, I think that is fair if the provider agrees that the decision not to offer the service was not the fault of the client. I think it is a matter of reputation and professionalism on the part of the provider that is in her best interest. I also think that most clients are good people who don't deserve to go in with understandable expectations and then feel that they were deliberately misled and swindled. But I also think that the SP in question is the one best able to determine whether or not delivery of services was reasonable under the circumstances. I don't think forcing her to prove, somehow, to some kind of enforcement agency that she couldn't reasonably be expected to perform the act is possible. Putting someone in the position where they have to prove the impossible (how can she prove he was rude, or not clean?), or face punishment of some kind (financial, in this case) would leave a sense that a provider must do what sexual acts she's told or else. Especially when most contracts are apparently verbal. How does she prove she didn't agree to what he says she did? I assume the onus would be on him, but hopefully you see what I am aiming at. Talking about enforcing contracts leaves a lot of room for abuse and intimidation. Even if the contract is written (in emails, for example), in terms of enforcing that, how does a client prove that he did, in fact, have impeccable hygiene, or that he did not act offensively toward the provider? He's not any better able to prove his side of things than she is. As other's have pointed out, even if it were a contract enforcible by law, which I believe it isn't, there is so much he said/she said that I don't see any way to make a fair decision. And in terms of the decision, if a woman promises uncovered oral over the phone, and then declines during the encounter, what would one sue for? A $20 refund? $10 000 for mental anguish, including loss of self esteem? Again, I don't think potential punishment should hang over the head of a woman you are asking to perform sexual services for you. I understand that legal contracts were brought up to point out that there should be some protection for the client when contracting services, or simply out of curiously for how it would play out given the changing laws. But I am very, very uncomfortable with talk of enFORCING that sexual services be delivered. I do wish there were a way, other than doing a lot of research (I understand that sometimes anyone might want to make an impulse purchase of services with a feeling of safety) that would give clients some kind of guarantee that their money will be well-spent and their encounter will unfold as they hope. But whenever I look at punishing someone for not delivering sexual services it just gets a bit of a rapey vibe for me. Weighing the loss of money vs coercion to perform sexual acts, I find the loss on money is less bad. And I hold to that even as a client, since I sometimes see female MAs myself. I completely understand that clients feel they are always left without sympathy or recourse, so I hope this post hasn't sounded confrontational or, I don't know, lecturing. I'm just trying to show that the idea of having an enforcible contract in practice is not really workable.

Wow.. this is quite the thread. I hope guys who like to talk about paying last, (and only if it's worth it,) and making legal contracts with escorts, (so that you can be sure she's going to suck your dick without a condom,) carry lots of lube with them... because I don't think this sort of stuff is ever going to make anyone wet... ever.

I am not resorting to emotional appeals nor inflammatory statements to win an argument. How very, very dismissive and condescending of you to say so. If you are not able to understand my points, that is fine. But do NOT assign me motivations. I explained things exactly as I see them, and obviously I am not the only one who sees things that way. I tried to keep the points at which we disagree civil, but you obviously have no interest in that. I have put myself out there where I would be better off staying silent to protect my business interests, because I thought it was worthwhile to have all points of view on the table. If your only response to my posts is to say that I am just wrong, and that I am making light of consent, then I will not bother trying to have a reasoned debate with you in future. There are more positive ways I can spend my time.

I don't believe I misinterpreted anything. There was a discussion about legal contracts and going before judges. So I did not draw my argument from nothing. I agree that no one has suggested that anyone be forced to perform sexual acts -- no one on here, anyway -- but if you set up financial consequences for failing to perform them then there is a sense of potential punishment hanging over the head of the provider. I don't see any way around that. Especially with things that are so difficult to quantify, such as the depth of a deep french kiss. Rephrasing things to say, basically, that she isn't losing money, he's just gaining money back, doesn't change the fact that the provider has lost income because a client feels he didn't receive what he thought was agreed upon. So I think my word choices have been correct. There can be a difference between what is intended and what is. To say that no one intends to coerce providers (I'm not trying to throw the word at anyone, but it's the one of the words under discussion) is not the same as saying that the provider doesn't reasonably think that she will be punished for not giving the client what he wants -- even when she finds it is not feasible once they meet (ymmv due to hygiene, etc). I don't believe the word contract, especially as is being discussed by some -- a legal contract -- should apply to a sexual encounter. I do not agree to specific acts in advance, so in my case it's moot, but I do think that even where services are discussed it should be understood and accepted that the services may vary. I used the term "rapey-vibe" because that is exactly how it feels to me. I can't change that that is how it feels to me. I don't like to ever hear of anyone being under contract to perform certain acts, or to make restitution if they don't. I actually don't think people should promise specific things in the first place, though. Because I do think one should deliver on one's promises and I think that where we might not be able to, we shouldn't promise. But the thing is, that's not that easy for a lot of providers, because many clients HATE it when you seem to be coy about what you offer. There do seem to be providers who would be willing to alter the fee structure a bit if something comes up, and, again, I think that is the right thing to do. I am uncomfortable with it being a sort of codified, by contract, thing, though, because I think there is too much room for potential abuse. I think it creates a more frightening and negative environment for providers, without offering much to clients as these things are hard to prove, anyway. My whole point is that it's unworkable. I think it would be nice to be able to call up any provider and get what is promised without worrying about being ripped off. I just can't see a workable solution. If it's a matter of "What is right?" Then a legitimately aggrieved client should get some form of recompense. I'm against trying to enforce what is technically right for the reasons I've stated. Too tough to prove, too much room for misuse. I can't take back the terms I've used because as some men have pointed out, there are two sides to everything. It may suck to hear that this is how it sounds to some of us when people talk about contracts, but if you want real opinions, then it's good to be aware that this IS how it sounds to some people. Some clients feel that things are too much in favour of SPs all the time. We may or may not agree, but saying the opinions sound yucky doesn't do any good. I'm not sure any of us will change anyone's mind on this matter, and I'm not out to offend anyone or make any feel that they are being treated to a condescending lecture. It's a bit draining for me to try to convey something controversial and likely to be unpopular with many on a forum where anything I say may effect my business. But since the involvement of the ladies side of things is one of the advantages of this board, I thought I would add my viewpoint. In any case, I am not looking for a fight over this, and I don't want to repeat my points ad nauseam, so if anyone has further issues with my posts, I may just agree to disagree.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I actually really enjoyed Django Unchained. But then I'm a huge fan of the Western genre. I think a mistake most people make when approaching a western is to think they'll be seeing an "action" movie. Most westerns are pretty slow paced in comparison with the action genre. I would argue that one of the best Westerns of all time, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly has an even slower pace than Django. The first 15 mins of the movie is two guys sitting at a table staring at each other and barely saying a word. If you're looking for super hyper, fast paced action than Westerns are probably not for you. Posted via Mobile Device

I've had mine, and I recommend it. Gardasil is now approved for use in Canada for all sexually active women up to age 45. This specific vaccine protects against the four most common main strains of HPV - the 2 (strains 16 & 18 ) which cause 70% of all cervical cancers, and the 2 (strains 6 & 11) which cause 90% of all warts. Like Jessica, I've also had the Twinrix (Hep A & B) vaccines. Both give me an extra tiny bit of peace of mind. Can you post this "respectable source" and what exactly you think is exaggerated? It's not an opinion that HPV can cause cervical cancer, or genital warts, it is fact. It's also true that you can have HPV with no adverse health affects at all. It all depends on the strain(s) contracted... But why take the risk? The medical community pretty much agrees that the results have been a staggering achievement in the reduction of HPV cases in people who have been vaccinated, cutting infection rates by more than half! Also, with very little adverse reactions to the actual vaccine. And actually most health plans do cover it. Alternatively, it is considered a health expense claim for self employed individuals (SPs) when filing our taxes. I don't know how common it is among other sex-workers, as I can only take care of myself, and do what I can to protect my own health as I see fit.

I've been vaccinated, by choice, and at my own expense. The HPV Vaccine Guardasil does not protect one from every strain of HPV virus, but I figure it's better to get it than not get it... right? Every bit of protection helps. I am over 35, but as I'm single and sexually active my doctor didn't think twice about prescribing it, I'm considered 'high risk' due to those circumstances. I'm sure it's also available to males outside the target age range depending on your specific circumstances. It's available no charge for young men and women late teens I understand they are vaccinated as part of the series of standard vaccinations. It's three needles, taken at 0, 3 and 6 months. As they have to be refrigerated you need to have them dispensed separately, so each needle is about $175 including dispensing fees.... approx $525 and worth every penny. I also got the Twinrix vaccine .. cost a couple of hundred bucks.. that's the one for Hep A & B. Also available from your doctor with a simple request.

Everyone's a bit hesitant the first time - really though, it's just safety first. Please be sure to do your research on this board and the other prairie/pacific review board, choose a companion who's well-endorsed by others, then don't worry about phoning her and letting her know that you're new at this. If she's an experienced companion she'll go out of her way to help make you feel comfortable.

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I've read all 5 books and can't wait to sink my teeth into the next! I think it's hilarious to see people complain about waiting a few months for the next season...LOL! If only the wait between books was that short! I could be a debbie-downer by sitting here and pointing out all the tiny miniscule differences between book/show, but as stated; they are tiny and miniscule therefore not worth discussing at length. The show is amazing, the books are magical... And I want to do dirty things Gendry "the bastard" Storm. And Jon "the bastard" Snow. And Jamie "kingslayer" Lannister. Hell let me get in a room will all 3 of them and I'll die a happy lady! That is all. This may be humorous to GoT fans: http://kotaku.com/bad-lip-reading-turns-game-of-thrones-into-hilarious-no-1446342284?autoplay=1

My apologies. This was not meant to demean SP(s). I had a bad experience with an SP who decided to text me on my private phone in the evening. My phone was left in the Kitchen where my spouse saw the display. I made a few mistakes here and you're right, the SP was very aggressive. By the way, this happened in Montreal not Ottawa. When I get close the SP's location, I usually use the company cell phone. I'm the one that's the idiot that shared my personal cell phone number. Of course, I would delete all text messages, but sometimes, the mind isn't always there. I hope my honesty will be accepted with an open heart. Blade

It's very easy to read the discussions and become disillusioned thinking that every guy on here is as great at the ones who post. But they're not. In fact, the two biggest creeps I've met, came from right here on cerb. I think this is something people need to keep in mind every time a similar conversation comes up on here (about pre-paying, references, anything to do with a lady's procedures). The guys who participate in the forums are probably not the ones we need to worry about. The procedures aren't necessarily for them (Even my own. I posted on another thread that I would ask someone to leave if they didn't put the payment down up front. I've met some gentlemen from cerb that I'm so comfortable with based on their post history/attitude on here I didn't even think of it, and wasn't at all worried about being ripped off. But that's the exception, not the rule - and it was MY choice to bend my rule, not his). The procedures are there for the big, sometimes dark, sometimes scary, part of this business that you guys just don't see on here. But that doesn't mean it's not there.

Actually... and at the risk of raising a few eyebrows... I don't have a problem with this. I'd consider that the government of the day has a duty to defend the laws that are currently on the books whenever they're challenged in court, and this has absolutely nothing to do with whether that government actually approves of those laws or not. Obviously there's no particular conflict when the government supports the law being challenged, but when a government disapproves of a law the correct course of action is to introduce legislation to change that law, rather than to simply refuse to defend it in court. Having said all that, I have no doubt that this somewhat esoteric argument isn't actually the reason the current government is opposing the Bedford case so vigorously :) And with reference to that case: my understanding is that the government will simply have to abide by whatever the SCC rules, and if they don't like the ruling they'll have to get a bill through Parliament to change the law appropriately. They have no choice in the matter: suck it up, or legislate.

All the reasons stated are valid. As for me , I endorse them all and I just want to state that the main reason, indeed, the only reason I have been seeing the same lady for almost a year I because, in addition to these reasons, she and I can communicate....I can also ad that I have reached a point where she is my confidante ...I tell her things that no one else knows .But there is also the fact that we are ONE when we engage in any form of sexual activity and we always achieve the final delight that is so vital to a lasting relationship.

watching the slow deterioration of a parent's health. Growing old not only sucks, but sometimes seems just inhumane.

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Happy birthday Redseductress!

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Hey there splitz: Thanks for sharing your concerns. Like realnicehat my responses weren't meant to dismiss your question, just to convey my own concerns with the idea. I've removed my couple of paragraphs' worth of side story in one post. I intended for that to illustrate that there's nothing we should be afraid to talk about here ("if I can write about THIS, and see, nothing happens -- then surely you can write about THAT!"), but maybe that looked like I wasn't taking concerns about privacy seriously. Sorry if you took it that way. I think one of the site's leading virtues is that everything IS out in the open here, and I'd very much like to keep it that way. The SP-only section is there to support providers' safety in a potentially dangerous profession. And since the providers take by far the greater risks in this industry, I'm happy to cede them some private space if that helps to reduce those risks. I really meant it when I asked in my first post to hear the merits of a private section, because I didn't want to just dismiss the idea out of hand even though I saw a lot of potential problems. But if it's just an issue of shyness or a sense of propriety... I'm still unconvinced. For some stuff there's simply no need for shyness, and it's better that guys overcome that rather than change the site to accommodate them. If it's a sense of propriety and a guy is just reluctant to share intimate details in a public forum, I understand and respect that. But if he's then perfectly willing to discuss those same details in a semi-public forum, as long as it's restricted only to other men... I have some trouble with that. If your sense of propriety tells you that some details shouldn't be discussed in public, it's okay to trust that and decline to share them -- at all. Maybe that feeling that "well I wouldn't want the SP to see this..." is telling you that maybe nobody should, and you should explain to PM-ers that you'd prefer not to elaborate beyond your public recommendation. And there remains that risk of people abusing the private section... not because anyone asking for such a section must want to bash SPs, but because it seems a natural hazard of creating an exclusive men-only area. Plus it wastes one of the best opportunities this site offers -- to involve SPs in discussions where they'd be awesome contributors -- because those discussions are hidden behind a wall in a space they can't see. I guess ultimately my own feeling is that adopting two different spaces with two sets of rules -- one exclusively "men only!" -- just wastes healthy open discussion, and lays the groundwork for a needless division.

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I did too - my attempts at humour often don't come out right :)

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This is by far THE MOST disturbing thing I have EVER read on CERB and believe me I've read some interesting threads. It is ALWAYS 1000000% THE LADY'S RULES! You do not make the rules, EVER. You can inquire about services provided but you DO NOT dictate what a girl will or will not do with you, how she screens her clients, never YOUR CHOICE!....HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST SUCH A THING??? Yes, I am yelling, caps lock was not an accident there. I am infuriated by this remark... Even though I know most of the ladies here don't like being compared to other business, I personally don't see a difference (If we believe we're "different" then no wonder the public shuns us, I'd rather be accepted among ALL professions than cast aside, my POV), so here goes: Do you walk into a restaurant and alter their menu? Do you buy a car and tell them what you are going to pay for it? Do you tell your physician which medications to prescribe you? No. No. No. DO NOT PRESUME TO DICTATE HOW WE BUSINESS OWNERS RUN OUR BUSINESSES. OUR BUSINESSES, NOT YOURS. disgusting. /end rant

Nothing like actually calling up and verifying! They are not closed! They were just undergoing renovations!

I think an easier question is how many guys are single...... Posted via Mobile Device

Happy Birthday Redseductress have a good one

Happy Birthday to you, Redseductress! Enjoy your day.

Happy Birthday Redseductress - hope its the best yet! xoxo

Happy Birthday Redseductress, hope you enjoy your day!

Nothing to be perplexed about it just means that there is a lid for every pot. What you see as not being beautiful others will see as beautiful and what you see as beautiful others may not. Most women want more realistic images of beauty portrayed more so than just the "picture perfect". It's a movement to help those who see the same images of beauty advertised over and over, which don't depict the average women, to not feel bad or less than because they don't look like them:)

I agree with moviefan..."the butler" is an amazing movie...even Oprah winfrey is quite good playing the butler's wife! I also watched Wolverine...I'm a big fan of Xmen...It starts slow but lots of action half way and through the end... Next one to see is men of steel...another "superman" movie i need to see :)

I think it's hard to deny that women are objectified more than men, and also have more societal pressure to conform to a certain body image. As Il Re and others state, men are certainly not immune to such forces, but it's undeniably more pervasive for women. And such things can certainly cause issues both on an individual and societal level. That said, I think it is OK to take pride in one's appearance or enjoy feeling sexy (however you define it) as long as you're doing it for yourself and not just for others. So if wearing makeup, dressing up, or even plastic surgery makes you happy, then hey, it's your body and you go ahead! To my mind it's only an issue if you're doing these things only to please others or because you base your worth as a person on your looks. I like to have a good haircut and I don't like how I look when having a bad hair day--but I don't think I'm a lessor human being because of one! :) Likewise, I think it is OK and undeniably normal to be attracted to someone on a physical level. Again, the key is that you don't value a person solely for their physical assets, or judge their worth--or your own!--based on how closely one matches some societal ideal. It is possible to admire someone physically without reducing them to an object. Just about everyone likes feeling attractive; no one likes feeling like a bag of meat. Basically, by no means should a person be shamed because they don't fit society's ideal body image. But nor should a person be made to feel shame because they are considered attractive, feel sexy, like to dress up, etc. Neither is fair to women--or anyone for that matter.

STOP. :) Relax and take a breath. Nothing is happening, and the cops are not setting up an elaborate surveillance upon you. Your brief tryst was a big deal for you, but the rest of the world didn't notice because it is really quite busy doing other, entirely unrelated things. Did you have a good time with during your appointment? Yes? Great. Let that memory be the thing you take from it. Now take a moment to observe your slight case of paranoia-induced fear, laugh at it quietly for a moment, then throw it away, and move on. ;) And happy Thanksgiving!

If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

My Fellow (Newbies) Cerbies I had the pleassure of attending my first Gang Bang on Thurs afternoon where I met the ultra Sexy, witty, funny, all round Beautiful and very nice young lady Cute0aza0button....... and she certainly is cute as a button .....and more! WoW!!!!......Double WoW!!! The event was organized by Owly. Thanks again Owly! AWESOME Man!!! I had never been to this kind of event before (all guys and one girl) and althougth I was .....Very excited and......Very curious ..... I was also just a little nervous. We've all seen porn movies and It looks good! .....Right? ....Like everyone (including the lady) is having a good time Right?? But, does it really work that way???....How do you get started????? What exactly is the protocal of going into a nice bright Hotel room ......meeting, (for the first time) a Very pretty lady and Megan is Very Pretty, along with several other guys, who you've also just met...........getting naked and playing nice..... Hmmmm.....:? Well, My fellow Cerbies to my delight it was just that easy! Megan is a delightful hostess! The conversation came easy and the Guys where all very funny, laid back (no pun in tended) and full of good advice. Very helpful! Now, as I said before Megan is very pretty with a beautiful smile and a rock'in hard Dancer Body......OMG!!! Well, I just got naked joined in and took my cues from Megan and the guys! It was "AWESOME" !!! I was extremly delighted to be part of the action and Megan was extremly delighted too!!!.......(several times by my count).....lol I loved the feel, smell and taste of Megans beautiful firm nude body.....OMG!!! and I found myself truly enjoying sharing her with the other guys..... as she too really enjoyed being "THEE" shared centre of attention:shehot: :aol_cunnilingus: Anyways my Cerb friends, the whole experence was even better than I had hoped for and I will definately be there for future events! ....and most certainly some one on one with would be a very good idea with Megan too:shehot: ....OMG!!! If you are curious about this type of event I would encourage you to join the poly party group and keep an eye out for future events. There are Many other Cerbies who enjoy this type of event but, thats for another reco! Until next time My Cerb friends ......Think.....Cute0aza0Button:icon_wink:

Personally I dont think discussing hotels in the public section is good for your safety or any of our who tour to those cities (There are FEW good options to stay at as it is). This is not something that should be discussed in public for any of our well beings and safety. If someone says stay at the super 8 for example and you do, what are the chances that some nut bar may be waiting for you in the lobby (as someone who had clients watch her check in, you dont want this)

To be honest, I do not like emails and do not have it lasted as a method of contact. I'm alo not a fan of the back and forth banter or the long winded messages. I don't have time for this and am someone who likes to get straight to the point with as much info as possible. I am someone who has a presence on this site and figure they should know me well enough and have read my ads to gain some sort of insight as to who I am as a provider. I expect that when a person PMs me, they are ready to book or close to it. I look for their questions to be geared towards my services as an SP and not those that are considered playful or not a serious inquiry. I am also open to addressing and anwering questions especially from gents who are new to this and need to know a few more things yet I can read between the lines when I know it's not going anywhere in a PM. While I am aware and appreciate those who follow me on this site, I am not here to seek out personal friendships. I am here to establish a friendly business relationship between myself and my clients and it is a respected one. I am very good at what I do but I also don`t think that just because I am an SP and a member of this site, that it`s a free for all for having others take advantage of my kindness. That`s where I draw the line. Im not interested in members who want to create some sort of "Romeo" type online personna who sends PMs to every SP wanting to meet`only to follow through with failed promises and gets caught up in his own ego stroking to the ladies that he actually tends to forget what is he doing and how it makes him look. Those SPs who do take time to cultivate relaitonships with male members here do not appreciate having their time wasted with empty promises. Being on the this site and communicating with others here can take up a good portion of an SP`s time and it`s the cost of doing business. However, being here has its advantages so one can only hope that the time spent here does work out for her in the end to some degree. If you're going to contact an SP, do so with good intentions. And not contact a dozen other SPs at the same time with promises to meet and not follow through or get them in the chat room to try and have them become your own personal 1-900 sex operator at any given moment. No one appreciates taking the time to speak with someone who could be a potential client and then having their time wasted or be taken advantage of. We all know why we are here so lets call a spade a spade. I`m not someone who is considered all business and I definitely enjoy what I do but I also don`t work for free either. Having said all that, I appreciate all my customers and feel appreciated when they end me a "Hello" type message once in a while or a "Thank-you" message but I just can't get involved in the endless back and forth conversation. It's just not who I am and I'd rather be honest than grin and bear this sort of thing. People know me for saying it like it is and I think I did just that.lol. I hope people can understand that.

Mighty Pen's words speak truth. There are times a provider hasn't prepared for the appointment by keeping track of requests. That would require keeping records and that is something quite discouraged by hobbyists. I don't provide a menu or promise a single service when I book my appointments for this reason. If a guest has a check list of activities that must take place during the playdate, I'm not the provider for him and I'm clear about this upfront. If a guest let's me run the session the way my intuition tells me he will leave smiling and completely satisfied. Walk thru my door with specific services demanded and you will be shown the door but I don't keep the envelop. I think it's dirty money at that point and brings no good to my life from a karmic level. A good provider trusts her instincts and if her spidey sense is tingling, the agreed upon services are at her discretion. She needs to be honest about why she won't provide the agreed upon services if she wants to make the appointment work. Won't kiss? Probably a hygiene issue at hand. No shower? She has probably booked appointments after you that weren't on the books when you set up your appointment and won't have time to redo her hair after you leave; or she feels it's a bad judgement call from a safety perspective. There are a 100 reasons the menu will change. Has the contract been broken? Yes. Is she required to give you a refund of some sort? No but if she's smart she will make it right. It's good business to be honest and keep clients happy. This business is only viable if you can build repeat business and violating the agreement doesn't accomplish that... cat

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.

1st event for me, Thanks MisterT, Sput, Skater, well done and all the Beautiful Ladies, should do this once a month

Well said..

The $100 tip, plus door fee is comparable to what most independent MA's or an all inclusive spa charge for a complete massage experience. I suggest clearing the financials up right away with your MA, just like you would with an independent or agency before you start the session. That way you just relax and enjoy without the worry. The attendant appreciates this as well so she knows she's being compensated fairly and everyone is happy. Independent MA's and all inclusive spa's apply part of the fee's collected to keeping the business maintained, so a door fee is really no different. It's just an extra transaction.

An interesting and easy to understand article explaining what could be next after the laws are struck down and what sex workers want and need in a post-decrim Canada: http://rabble.ca/columnists/2013/04/sex-workers-are-coming