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9 pointsI have been the victim of sexual assault. That is NOT something I am going to talk about here, but if you are saying victims of sexual assault will feel belittled by Georgiana's post, I point it out to say that I am a victim of sexual assault, and I do not in any way feel belittled by what she had to say. I don't believe that was her intention at all, and I didn't infer any of that from what she had to say. I'm sorry if you feel that way, and I appreciate it if you feel you're trying to stand up for something, or someone, but I truly believe you're placing ill-intentions behind a post that was not made with any ill-intentions whatsoever. We all need to keep in mind that sometimes people use the wrong word, or a sentence can be typed a bit too fast, or whatever the reason may be that an online post isn't read the way it was typed. But I honestly agree with her - I do not think that anyone should feel 'contractually obligated' to perform. If, for every encounter, I had to sit there and think 'Did I kiss him deep enough, was the blowjob long enough' etc etc, and worrying about if I'd fulfilled my end of the contract.... well honestly, I wouldn't keep doing this because it wouldn't be fun. I tell my clients that I don't do anything I don't wanna do - and that's true. If something doesn't feel good, I won't do it. And if someone was to say 'Nope, you need to let me continue going down on you, even though your clit is sensitive from that orgasm, because you told me there would be no limit on how long I could DATY, it's in our contract'. Jeebus. Where is the fun in that? THat WOULD feel like coercion. That isn't a word anyone wants involved in an encounter , but I also don't think that the use of that word means Gia was playing any kind of 'trump card'.
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7 pointsI think this has been brought up before, although perhaps it was on another thread, but you cannot have any legal contract that forces a person to perform a sexual act, or that punishes him or her for failing to perform that act. There are other rights that take precedence over contract law. So in terms of talking about a legal contract that can be enforced, I don't believe there can be one. In terms of compensation made to the client if a discussed act was not performed, I think that is fair if the provider agrees that the decision not to offer the service was not the fault of the client. I think it is a matter of reputation and professionalism on the part of the provider that is in her best interest. I also think that most clients are good people who don't deserve to go in with understandable expectations and then feel that they were deliberately misled and swindled. But I also think that the SP in question is the one best able to determine whether or not delivery of services was reasonable under the circumstances. I don't think forcing her to prove, somehow, to some kind of enforcement agency that she couldn't reasonably be expected to perform the act is possible. Putting someone in the position where they have to prove the impossible (how can she prove he was rude, or not clean?), or face punishment of some kind (financial, in this case) would leave a sense that a provider must do what sexual acts she's told or else. Especially when most contracts are apparently verbal. How does she prove she didn't agree to what he says she did? I assume the onus would be on him, but hopefully you see what I am aiming at. Talking about enforcing contracts leaves a lot of room for abuse and intimidation. Even if the contract is written (in emails, for example), in terms of enforcing that, how does a client prove that he did, in fact, have impeccable hygiene, or that he did not act offensively toward the provider? He's not any better able to prove his side of things than she is. As other's have pointed out, even if it were a contract enforcible by law, which I believe it isn't, there is so much he said/she said that I don't see any way to make a fair decision. And in terms of the decision, if a woman promises uncovered oral over the phone, and then declines during the encounter, what would one sue for? A $20 refund? $10 000 for mental anguish, including loss of self esteem? Again, I don't think potential punishment should hang over the head of a woman you are asking to perform sexual services for you. I understand that legal contracts were brought up to point out that there should be some protection for the client when contracting services, or simply out of curiously for how it would play out given the changing laws. But I am very, very uncomfortable with talk of enFORCING that sexual services be delivered. I do wish there were a way, other than doing a lot of research (I understand that sometimes anyone might want to make an impulse purchase of services with a feeling of safety) that would give clients some kind of guarantee that their money will be well-spent and their encounter will unfold as they hope. But whenever I look at punishing someone for not delivering sexual services it just gets a bit of a rapey vibe for me. Weighing the loss of money vs coercion to perform sexual acts, I find the loss on money is less bad. And I hold to that even as a client, since I sometimes see female MAs myself. I completely understand that clients feel they are always left without sympathy or recourse, so I hope this post hasn't sounded confrontational or, I don't know, lecturing. I'm just trying to show that the idea of having an enforcible contract in practice is not really workable.
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6 pointsWow.. this is quite the thread. I hope guys who like to talk about paying last, (and only if it's worth it,) and making legal contracts with escorts, (so that you can be sure she's going to suck your dick without a condom,) carry lots of lube with them... because I don't think this sort of stuff is ever going to make anyone wet... ever.
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4 pointsI am not resorting to emotional appeals nor inflammatory statements to win an argument. How very, very dismissive and condescending of you to say so. If you are not able to understand my points, that is fine. But do NOT assign me motivations. I explained things exactly as I see them, and obviously I am not the only one who sees things that way. I tried to keep the points at which we disagree civil, but you obviously have no interest in that. I have put myself out there where I would be better off staying silent to protect my business interests, because I thought it was worthwhile to have all points of view on the table. If your only response to my posts is to say that I am just wrong, and that I am making light of consent, then I will not bother trying to have a reasoned debate with you in future. There are more positive ways I can spend my time.
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4 pointsI don't believe I misinterpreted anything. There was a discussion about legal contracts and going before judges. So I did not draw my argument from nothing. I agree that no one has suggested that anyone be forced to perform sexual acts -- no one on here, anyway -- but if you set up financial consequences for failing to perform them then there is a sense of potential punishment hanging over the head of the provider. I don't see any way around that. Especially with things that are so difficult to quantify, such as the depth of a deep french kiss. Rephrasing things to say, basically, that she isn't losing money, he's just gaining money back, doesn't change the fact that the provider has lost income because a client feels he didn't receive what he thought was agreed upon. So I think my word choices have been correct. There can be a difference between what is intended and what is. To say that no one intends to coerce providers (I'm not trying to throw the word at anyone, but it's the one of the words under discussion) is not the same as saying that the provider doesn't reasonably think that she will be punished for not giving the client what he wants -- even when she finds it is not feasible once they meet (ymmv due to hygiene, etc). I don't believe the word contract, especially as is being discussed by some -- a legal contract -- should apply to a sexual encounter. I do not agree to specific acts in advance, so in my case it's moot, but I do think that even where services are discussed it should be understood and accepted that the services may vary. I used the term "rapey-vibe" because that is exactly how it feels to me. I can't change that that is how it feels to me. I don't like to ever hear of anyone being under contract to perform certain acts, or to make restitution if they don't. I actually don't think people should promise specific things in the first place, though. Because I do think one should deliver on one's promises and I think that where we might not be able to, we shouldn't promise. But the thing is, that's not that easy for a lot of providers, because many clients HATE it when you seem to be coy about what you offer. There do seem to be providers who would be willing to alter the fee structure a bit if something comes up, and, again, I think that is the right thing to do. I am uncomfortable with it being a sort of codified, by contract, thing, though, because I think there is too much room for potential abuse. I think it creates a more frightening and negative environment for providers, without offering much to clients as these things are hard to prove, anyway. My whole point is that it's unworkable. I think it would be nice to be able to call up any provider and get what is promised without worrying about being ripped off. I just can't see a workable solution. If it's a matter of "What is right?" Then a legitimately aggrieved client should get some form of recompense. I'm against trying to enforce what is technically right for the reasons I've stated. Too tough to prove, too much room for misuse. I can't take back the terms I've used because as some men have pointed out, there are two sides to everything. It may suck to hear that this is how it sounds to some of us when people talk about contracts, but if you want real opinions, then it's good to be aware that this IS how it sounds to some people. Some clients feel that things are too much in favour of SPs all the time. We may or may not agree, but saying the opinions sound yucky doesn't do any good. I'm not sure any of us will change anyone's mind on this matter, and I'm not out to offend anyone or make any feel that they are being treated to a condescending lecture. It's a bit draining for me to try to convey something controversial and likely to be unpopular with many on a forum where anything I say may effect my business. But since the involvement of the ladies side of things is one of the advantages of this board, I thought I would add my viewpoint. In any case, I am not looking for a fight over this, and I don't want to repeat my points ad nauseam, so if anyone has further issues with my posts, I may just agree to disagree.
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3 pointsI guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I actually really enjoyed Django Unchained. But then I'm a huge fan of the Western genre. I think a mistake most people make when approaching a western is to think they'll be seeing an "action" movie. Most westerns are pretty slow paced in comparison with the action genre. I would argue that one of the best Westerns of all time, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly has an even slower pace than Django. The first 15 mins of the movie is two guys sitting at a table staring at each other and barely saying a word. If you're looking for super hyper, fast paced action than Westerns are probably not for you. Posted via Mobile Device
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3 pointsI've had mine, and I recommend it. Gardasil is now approved for use in Canada for all sexually active women up to age 45. This specific vaccine protects against the four most common main strains of HPV - the 2 (strains 16 & 18 ) which cause 70% of all cervical cancers, and the 2 (strains 6 & 11) which cause 90% of all warts. Like Jessica, I've also had the Twinrix (Hep A & B) vaccines. Both give me an extra tiny bit of peace of mind. Can you post this "respectable source" and what exactly you think is exaggerated? It's not an opinion that HPV can cause cervical cancer, or genital warts, it is fact. It's also true that you can have HPV with no adverse health affects at all. It all depends on the strain(s) contracted... But why take the risk? The medical community pretty much agrees that the results have been a staggering achievement in the reduction of HPV cases in people who have been vaccinated, cutting infection rates by more than half! Also, with very little adverse reactions to the actual vaccine. And actually most health plans do cover it. Alternatively, it is considered a health expense claim for self employed individuals (SPs) when filing our taxes. I don't know how common it is among other sex-workers, as I can only take care of myself, and do what I can to protect my own health as I see fit.
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3 pointsI've been vaccinated, by choice, and at my own expense. The HPV Vaccine Guardasil does not protect one from every strain of HPV virus, but I figure it's better to get it than not get it... right? Every bit of protection helps. I am over 35, but as I'm single and sexually active my doctor didn't think twice about prescribing it, I'm considered 'high risk' due to those circumstances. I'm sure it's also available to males outside the target age range depending on your specific circumstances. It's available no charge for young men and women late teens I understand they are vaccinated as part of the series of standard vaccinations. It's three needles, taken at 0, 3 and 6 months. As they have to be refrigerated you need to have them dispensed separately, so each needle is about $175 including dispensing fees.... approx $525 and worth every penny. I also got the Twinrix vaccine .. cost a couple of hundred bucks.. that's the one for Hep A & B. Also available from your doctor with a simple request.
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2 pointsEveryone's a bit hesitant the first time - really though, it's just safety first. Please be sure to do your research on this board and the other prairie/pacific review board, choose a companion who's well-endorsed by others, then don't worry about phoning her and letting her know that you're new at this. If she's an experienced companion she'll go out of her way to help make you feel comfortable.
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2 pointsWhat the ten smartest animals on the planet were, or in which order they fall, it might surprise you:) http://www.therichest.com/animals/the-top-10-smartest-animals-in-the-world/
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2 pointsI've read all 5 books and can't wait to sink my teeth into the next! I think it's hilarious to see people complain about waiting a few months for the next season...LOL! If only the wait between books was that short! I could be a debbie-downer by sitting here and pointing out all the tiny miniscule differences between book/show, but as stated; they are tiny and miniscule therefore not worth discussing at length. The show is amazing, the books are magical... And I want to do dirty things Gendry "the bastard" Storm. And Jon "the bastard" Snow. And Jamie "kingslayer" Lannister. Hell let me get in a room will all 3 of them and I'll die a happy lady! That is all. This may be humorous to GoT fans: http://kotaku.com/bad-lip-reading-turns-game-of-thrones-into-hilarious-no-1446342284?autoplay=1
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2 pointsMy apologies. This was not meant to demean SP(s). I had a bad experience with an SP who decided to text me on my private phone in the evening. My phone was left in the Kitchen where my spouse saw the display. I made a few mistakes here and you're right, the SP was very aggressive. By the way, this happened in Montreal not Ottawa. When I get close the SP's location, I usually use the company cell phone. I'm the one that's the idiot that shared my personal cell phone number. Of course, I would delete all text messages, but sometimes, the mind isn't always there. I hope my honesty will be accepted with an open heart. Blade
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2 pointsIt's very easy to read the discussions and become disillusioned thinking that every guy on here is as great at the ones who post. But they're not. In fact, the two biggest creeps I've met, came from right here on cerb. I think this is something people need to keep in mind every time a similar conversation comes up on here (about pre-paying, references, anything to do with a lady's procedures). The guys who participate in the forums are probably not the ones we need to worry about. The procedures aren't necessarily for them (Even my own. I posted on another thread that I would ask someone to leave if they didn't put the payment down up front. I've met some gentlemen from cerb that I'm so comfortable with based on their post history/attitude on here I didn't even think of it, and wasn't at all worried about being ripped off. But that's the exception, not the rule - and it was MY choice to bend my rule, not his). The procedures are there for the big, sometimes dark, sometimes scary, part of this business that you guys just don't see on here. But that doesn't mean it's not there.
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1 pointJust say the word Lee and I'llake you a pair. Cool idea. And to stay on topic right now I'm eating soup and whoring on the internet :p
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1 pointIt hinges, crucially, on the exact nature of these things that happened or didn't happen, and how reasonable it is to expect sexual services to be dispensed for cash like pushing buttons on a vending machine. Nobody here is defending the right of anyone to commit outright fraud -- arranging for a "boyfriend" to storm into the room and chase a client away, or to smack someone over the head with a lead pipe and steal his wallet. If that kind of stuff happens, then YES the client should have recourse. And you CAN go to the police and pursue the usual legal remedies. Instead, we're talking about something else: what specific acts took place during a session, and how/how often/how well as perceived by the client, and the discretion the SP has in the delivery of something agreed upon in advance. We're talking about the nature of ANY agreement for sexual services, and the ethics of considering such agreements to be binding (upon threat of withholding or reclaiming the fee). This is why I balk at the term "contract" to do X, Y, and Z, and instead would go only as far as "general, nonbinding agreement" to go there only provided she remains willing when the time comes. Regardless of the discussion up front, the fee, in full, buys only the SP's preparation, her time for the session, the setting she provides (for an incall), the personal engagement during that time, and the strong probability of some intimate play -- but never its guarantee. If you thought the money was buying you a list of acts, and everything else just came free, then you've misunderstood the transaction from the very beginning. It's the attempt to push the opposite idea: "no, I've paid, now you MUST do X! DO IT! Or give me my money back!" that I find unsettling and has that disturbing vibe mentioned earlier. 'Cause it's about exerting power over someone else regarding intimate acts -- and you just don't get to do that, not even as a sex work client. Nobody's money buys them that right.
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1 pointThe same could be said for women though, key word being appreciation. A lot of women either only like tall muscular guys or don't care at all about appearance. Would be nice if those with different tastes were vocal about it.
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1 pointI'm checking out all the hot ladies and making my first post on cerb
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1 pointI think people repeat in general because of the fear of the unknown. That's why people go to the same restaurant, order the same food, shop in the same places. once you've been satisfied with something, the risk increases to try something new.
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1 pointI hear you, Cleo. I guess a good analogy to what I was saying is that sometimes it is easy to lay on the beach, eyes closed, enjoying the rays and the sound of the surf and, for a bit, forget about the sharks and jelly-fish swimming just off shore. And I get that in any population, there will be the strangest of folks - and not in a good way. Now that you mention it, the scariest guy I've interacted with in the last 30 years was here. Former member. Don't miss him. So yeah, if it makes you safer to require me as a prospective client to touch my left ear with my right thumb while humming God Save The Queen, I'm gonna start humming! :) Additional Comments: My dad taught me that if you keep poking that hornet's nest with a stick, you're gonna get something and it's not gonna be pretty. I'm gonna hazard a guess that there was one poke too many here - and there was a well deserved response.
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1 pointFor those who are interested... a fascinating series of blogposts on this issue. Well worth reading, whatever your views on the subject.
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1 pointTsunami? Armageddon? No, just cloud on the mountains. While I'm thinking about it - anyone who likes this thread and is on Twitter should probably follow @Earth_Pics #FF
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1 pointSplitz, you were asked to provide your reasoning for a hobbyist-only section of Cerb, and I can appreciate that you've done so. However, while I understand what you are saying and I think you've respectfully tried to lay out your reasons, I still wouldn't want to see such a section created. You are right that I wouldn't feel comfortable in a public recommendation getting into details of a lady's physical attributes or sexual preferences/acts, etc. However, I also wouldn't feel comfortable doing so in a private section as you describe it. Just because the lady may not be able to see it doesn't, to my mind, make it "not public". Rather it would make me feel like I'm just talking about her behind her back, and my own feeling is that if she wants such details shared then she'll do so herself. Whatever benefit such a section may have also seems, to my mind, not to outweigh the potential harm and ways that it could be abused. Basically, I think it would cause more work and heartache than it would save. I've heard some other sites have very little involvement by the ladies. One of the things I specifically like about Cerb is how present and active the ladies are in the discussions. I'd hate to see anything that would take away from that. I know you said that any gent who wouldn't want to use a private-only section could just avoid it, but you also have been asking for opinions, so for what it's worth, there ya go. Cheers.
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1 pointI don't know who Alexxxxia is. Do you mean Alyssa Staxx? I've seen Gina twice and it was amazing both times. Highly recommended. Polydeuces
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1 pointWhiteman, ladies always have valid reasons to ask for specifics (no blocked calls, or a reference, etc.) and it is not this way because we want to make your life difficult or just because we want to make you jump through hoops ;) Guidelines/rules/instructions are in place to protect ourselves from xyz because of the delicate and unique circumstances we face as companions. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you. The client doesn't make the rules and the ladies' "rules" are not up for negotiation. If one disagrees with them, he should move on to the next lady who has a more flexible "set of rules" that fit one's comfort level. If I may ask, although sex work is a unique industry, where else can you go as a client and ask businesses to compromise on their rules/standards/etiquette? Do you think it is acceptable to do with SPs because, well, they are only SPs and don't deserve the same respect as other business owners do? I am asking the above so I can understand the reasoning behind it and not to be confrontational ;)
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1 pointNothing like actually calling up and verifying! They are not closed! They were just undergoing renovations!
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1 pointHey, now, if you throw in a TREEHOUSE I might start to waver...! :) Offhand I think that yeah -- as you touch upon, it has enormous potential to become a "okay, now that we're in private, let me tell yo the real scoop on X!". That stuff is always hanging over the heads of a board like this, and I think a private section would begin to provide a shadowy corner that would absolutely breed mischief if not closely policed. Oddly enough, I can't think of a single thing I might discuss here that wouldn't be better served by including the opinions of women here too. Testicles? Hell yes! I'll talk about my testicles amongst the women of CERB, at least those who don't click away as soon as they see the subject. :)
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1 pointI have met her several times, and have been impressed every time. I arrived on time, as expected for a CERB member, and was awed by my sight in front of my eyes. The pic that she sent me definitely was just starting touch.A beautiful woman, great body. She is a great person. Not a clock watcher. Always wants to make your visit an enjoyable one. I definitely will meet her again.
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1 pointHi, I'm KATIE, been up on cerb for a couple of weeks, would love to get to know more of of "you" cerb members. Let you know abit about myself, I'm czech, but raised in Canada.I have blonde hair and green sexy eyes. I speak some French, Czech and fluent in English. I'm athletic, with JLO curves. I'm 5"4, 125lbs, 36c,25-36. As for my massage skills, I can honestly say I'm better than your registered massage therapist. I have my certification as a holistic practitioner and have been trained in massage. I specialize in deep tissue massage, I use my whole body to add just the right amount of pressure to remove those unwanted knots, and help align your back as well. I use my knuckles, my elbows and obviously my hands :) If your looking for that sensual deep tissue massage from a hottie erotic blonde. Then give me a call, I am available the whole weekend, at studios around ottawa that cater to those in the west,east,south and downtown. For more info, txt 613-334-0746 or check out my schedule with ALO
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1 pointHow do you know the police were at the hotel for her? Sounds paranoid as a lot of things could bring the police to a hotel. My understanding is that the supreme court of canada ruled that sms (text messaging) is "private" and the "communication for the purpose of prostitution in a public place" law would not apply to a text message as it is not a "public place" and considered a private discussion between two parties. Here is a link to the scc judgement (http://scc.lexum.org/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/12936/index.do) I however am not a lawyer so if you have concearns I would suggest talking to one. Now... What could be done is this... 1) the police get a warrent for her text messages 2) this would be evidence of her using the same location with multiple clients and therefore the location could be considered a common bawdy house This however is a bit of a stretch. A previous complaint or something bigger may be going on.
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1 pointYet you refuse to follow rules see your own first post. I bet this is not your first handle here champion just saying. I got that thingelylily up my butt telling me you were somebody else on this board.. That feeling isnt a feature in my ass "I bet I've paid for sex more than most guys here :)."...lol yet You dont Want To follow any rules..you go boy like you really did paid more than anyone on this board...your silly or had to much to drink as big spender don't demonstrate they acted....they do t need to brag o. How much.
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1 pointA welcome addition to this thread.... The one and only Robynxoxo at Angels!! Sweet little spinner and now Nuru oh my, could it get any better??
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1 pointMighty Pen's words speak truth. There are times a provider hasn't prepared for the appointment by keeping track of requests. That would require keeping records and that is something quite discouraged by hobbyists. I don't provide a menu or promise a single service when I book my appointments for this reason. If a guest has a check list of activities that must take place during the playdate, I'm not the provider for him and I'm clear about this upfront. If a guest let's me run the session the way my intuition tells me he will leave smiling and completely satisfied. Walk thru my door with specific services demanded and you will be shown the door but I don't keep the envelop. I think it's dirty money at that point and brings no good to my life from a karmic level. A good provider trusts her instincts and if her spidey sense is tingling, the agreed upon services are at her discretion. She needs to be honest about why she won't provide the agreed upon services if she wants to make the appointment work. Won't kiss? Probably a hygiene issue at hand. No shower? She has probably booked appointments after you that weren't on the books when you set up your appointment and won't have time to redo her hair after you leave; or she feels it's a bad judgement call from a safety perspective. There are a 100 reasons the menu will change. Has the contract been broken? Yes. Is she required to give you a refund of some sort? No but if she's smart she will make it right. It's good business to be honest and keep clients happy. This business is only viable if you can build repeat business and violating the agreement doesn't accomplish that... cat
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1 pointWhoa. There's too many other reasons why some request might go unfulfilled for this to be the first or most "likely" reason. It's not that this never happens; but let's not jump there as a first reflex. But otherwise I agree with your points.
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1 pointThe $100 tip, plus door fee is comparable to what most independent MA's or an all inclusive spa charge for a complete massage experience. I suggest clearing the financials up right away with your MA, just like you would with an independent or agency before you start the session. That way you just relax and enjoy without the worry. The attendant appreciates this as well so she knows she's being compensated fairly and everyone is happy. Independent MA's and all inclusive spa's apply part of the fee's collected to keeping the business maintained, so a door fee is really no different. It's just an extra transaction.
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1 pointI've been reading the books since the first one came out and quite enjoy them, but in some ways like the television series more. I found the last couple books could have benefited from a lot of editing, and in some ways it's become more sprawling than epic. The television show almost forces them to focus the story, and so the pacing is better. I've always been generally OK when movies/tv changes book material though. They are different mediums and I don't judge them on how closely they match.
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1 pointCommon adult industry sex terms, abbreviations, codes, codewords, terminology, acronyms, lingo, and glossary. What does this mean, what is the definition of, as defined in the dictionary, and what do the letters stand for: AAMP = Apartment Asian Massage Parlor. Based in a residential apartment instead of a commercial storefront. ABC = american born chinese ABJ = american born japanese Agency = a company that manages calls, bookings, and advertising for a group of escorts. AMP = Asian Massage Parlor analingus = licking anus Asian = analingus Asian Cowgirl = girl on top, squatting ASP = Adult Service Provider, or alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup ATF = all time favorite ATM = ass to mouth = penis, toy, finger goes from ass to mouth. attempts = trying to orgasm Aunt Flo = menstruation, period B&S = bait and switch = person who shows up is a different one than advertised babyback = petite, young, attractive Asian balloons = breast implants BB = bareback = without condom BJ = blowjob = oral sex = fellatio BBBJ = bare back blow job = BJ without condom BBBJTC = bare back blow job to completion (in mouth) BBBJTCIM = bare back blow job to completion in mouth BBBJTCNQNS = bare back blow job to completion, no quit, no spit BBBJTCWS = bare back blow job to completion with swallow BBBJWF = bare back blow job with facial BBFS = bare back sex BBW = big beautiful woman BCD = behind closed doors BDSM = bondage, discipline, sado-masochism. BF = boy friend BFE = boy friend experience birdwatching = BBBJTCWS BLS = ball licking and sucking Blue Jay = blow job blue pill = Viagra BSB = bus stop babe butter face = everything looks good, but her face BTW = by the way cash and dash = ROB who takes your money and runs CBJ = covered blow job = BJ with condom CC Rider = full service provider costing $200 or less CD = cross dresser CDS = covered doggy style CFS = covered full service = Sex with condom CG = cowgirl = girl on top facing you CH = Crazy Horse, SF Strip Club CIM = cum in mouth CL = craigslist.org CMD = carpet matches drapes, typically a natural blonde CMT = Certified Massage Therapist. A professional masseuse. Cowgirl = CG = girl on top facing you cover = condom cruising = driving around, looking for streetwalkers cups of coffee = releases = orgasms DATO = dining at the o = analingus DATY = dining at the y = cunnilingus DDP = double digit penetration, kitty and anus Dodge = streetwalker stroll: Mission Blvd, between A St and 14th St, in Hayward, CA Doggie = man behind girl, girl on hands and knees donation = payment Doubles = A threesome with two girls and you DDE = doesn't do extras (PS only) DDG = drop dead gorgeous DFK = deep french kissing, open mouth with tongue DIY = do it yourself (masturbation) DP = double penetration, two guys on one girl DT = deep throat, entire length of penis taken in mouth ECR = el camino real EOM = end of message. No text in message body. escort = a temporary companion for hire facial = cumming on partner's face FBSM = full body sensual massage fire and ice = a blowjob switching between hot tea and ice FIV = finger in vagina FKK = Frei K?rper Kultur. German brothel / nudist club. FOB = fresh off the boat. Asian immigrant recently arrived in the US. FOV = finger outside vagina French = BJ French Kiss = Kissing with tongue insertion FS = full service = BJ + Sex Get Brain = blow job Get Comfortable = get completely naked GFE = girlfriend experience. Typically BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG GG = Golden Gypsy. defunct, famous Berkeley massage parlor GND = girl next door Greek = anal sex, back door GS = golden shower = urination play GSM = g-spot massage happy ending = A handjob (usually) or blowjob after your massage hardwood floors = clean shaven kitty Hat = condom HDH = high dollar hottie HJ = hand job = a manual / hand release HH = half hour HM = high mileage HME = honeymoon experience, lapdog heaven HWP = height and weight proportionate hooker = prostitute IMHO = in my humble opinion interpreter = condom Italian = penis rubbing between butt cheeks ISO = in search of kitty = vagina Lapdog = person who worships providers to excess. LDL = low dollar looker (opposite of HDH) LE = ellie = law enforcement LK = light kissing, closed mouth LOS = land of smiles = Thailand mamasan = female manager of a massage parlor MBOT = Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre, SF Strip Club MBR = multiple bell ringing = MSOG MILF = mom I'd like to f-ck Mish = missionary position, or the SF Mission District Missionary = man on top, girl on back mohawk = thin rectangular strip of pubic hair MP = massage parlor MP = multiple pops = multiple releases MSC = Market Street Cinema, SF Strip Club MSOG = multiple shots on goal = multiple releases NCT = New Century Theatre, SF Strip Club non-pro = not a professional provider NP = no problem NSA = no strings attached OWO = oral without condom OWOTC = oral without condom to completion papasan = male manager of a massage parlor party hat = condom PIV = penis in vagina PL = Pathetic Loser PO = phone operator (for making appointments) PS = private show (Dance) PSE = Porn Star Experience PV = private viewing (Dance) RA = relaxation assistant raincoat = condom RB = myredbook.com rimming = analingus RMP = Russian Massage Parlor ROB = Rip Off Bitch Reverse cowgirl = RCG = girl on top facing away Reverse massage = you massage her Roman shower = vomit play RPG = role playing games Russian = penis rubbing between breasts = Pearl Necklace = titty fuck SC = Strip Club self-service = you masturbate SF = San Francisco shill = an insider posing as a satisfied customer SO = significant other SOG = shot on goal = one release SOMF = sat on my face south of the border = gential region southern france = BBBJ SP = Service Provider SPA = streetwalker stroll: San Pablo Avenue in Oakland, CA spanish = ATM = ass to mouth spinner = very petite, thin girl STD = sexually transmitted disease stroll = path frequented by street walkers SW = street walker TAMP = Therapeutic Asian Massage Parlor teabag = man squats and dips balls in partner's mouth TG = transgender TGTBT = too good to be true Tina = crystal meth TJ = Tijuana TL = Tenderloin district, San Francisco. between Van Ness Ave, Post St, Taylor St, and Golden Gate Ave TLD = topless lap dance tossing salad = analingus Troll = rude and hideous PL Trolling = Posting thinly disguised ads in a discussion forum TOFTT = Take one for the team. In reference to a new, non-reviewed provider. TS = transexual TUMA = tongue up my ass TV = transvestite UTF = Untranslated French = BBBJ UTR = under the radar WTF = What the fuck? (I'm rather surprised by this) XOXO = Kisses & Hugs YMMV = Your mileage may vary. Your service level could be different than reported by others. Applies to everyone, some more so than others. 1/2 and 1/2 = half and half = oral sex + full service 411 = seeking information 420 = 4:20 = marijuana 69 = two people giving each other oral sex at the same time $ = $100 $$ = $200 $$$ = $300 $$$.5 = $350 (get it?) incall = You go to her place, or a place she designates. outcall = She comes to your place, home, hotel room. two call system = For incall locations. Your first call is to set up the time and get the general directions on where to park. Your second call is made when you arrive to get the specific address / room number.
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