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Well, all things come to an end. I've enjoyed my time here, but lately have been feeling a bit disconnected from the community. In short, things in my life have been moving me away from this place, and for the most part, those are good developments. I have many friends here, and I will miss you all. Some of you know how to contact me, and I'd be glad to hear from you from time to time. I've asked Mod to deactivate my account, so this will be the last you hear from me. All the best my friends.

Conservatives and abolitionists are missing the big picture on sex work BY JASON CONGDON | MAY 6, 2014 http://rabble.ca/news/2014/05/conservatives-and-abolitionists-are-missing-big-picture-on-sex-work?utm_content=buffer0e7ea&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Time to enjoy our blog updates once again! http://midnitemassage.tumblr.com/ Come enjoy my erotic mind

From a privacy and discretion standpoint, it's also not that simple. for the men, they need to know that the name that comes up on the statement won't raise suspicion and the SP may not be interested in a paper trail. There are many reasons why accepting different forms of payment won't work for some :)

With Game 7 upon us on Wednesday night and knowing Meg's bad habit of cheering for the Bruins I have had visions of her wearing her Bruins jersey, and nothing but. Of course I wear my Canadiens jersey proudly and between games it is laid out ever so neatly in preparation for the next game. or So a poll. Meg in her jersey or me in mine? Well, so much for creating a poll! That did not work! LOL I do have to apologize here to Meg as well for some unfortunate writing in my guest book. Another distinguished member and I made some rather derogatory comments about her lovely Bruins. We must have been drunk Meg, really. Certainly way deep down if we look into our heart of hearts one would find somewhere a feeling of respect for Boston. Maybe. :) Good luck in Game 7 Meg, but the rallying cry is certainly, "Go Habs Go."

I'm so happy we have a blog thread again. Here's my blog: http://lovely-nathalie.com/blog/ I posted my favourite poem yesterday, and lots of other stuff on previous days haha Nat xox

PSE is definitely something that's different with each provider. I mention I offer is because I offer some services people think are more 'PSE' (such as cim, cof, greek). But I definitely don't model myself after any porn star, I'm just me! I don't roleplay and wouldn't want someone to tell me 'act like that porn star'. But you sure can come over and give me a nice facial ;)

Yay! So exciting! It is on my TDL to be writing more frequently ;) http://blog.kerrisussex.com Have a great Tuesday everyone! Xo

Council has voted to include a new section for "BEST OF" threads and other "NON ESCORT" related "FUN" threads. This new section is so that the other discussion area's do not get clogged up with these types of threads and so people who are not interested in these can just simply avoid this area. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=357

Council has passed a vote to now allow all blog promotional threads in general discussion area's. If you have a BLOG and wish to promote it in your signature or include it where relevant in a thread or start a new thread discussing a blog you may do so.

This poem, I have used numerous times it is of course for us to try and live by, I try to do my best each day....to give a smile...have a read, Inspirational Poem "A Smile" by Unknown Author A smile costs nothing, but gives much- It takes but a moment, but the memory of it usually lasts forever. None are so rich that can get along without it- And none are so poor but that can be made rich by it. It enriches those who receive, without making poor those who give- It creates sunshine in the home, Fosters good will in business, And is the best antidote for trouble- And yet it cannot be begged, borrowed, or stolen, for it is of no value Unless it is given away. Some people are too busy to give you a smile- Give them one of yours- For the good Lord knows that no one needs a smile so badly As he or she who has no more smiles left to give.

I used to accept credit cards and the amount of fraud was unbelievable. People showed up with other people's credit cards. Transactions were reversed after the fact. It was awful. I would never do that again. Yuck!!! I have not had any issues with email money transfers which are much safer in my opinion.

Clarissa Delight is also experienced with this and she lives in St. John's. Her email is [email protected] ;)

"Drop the Pistol, Pete." Things were royally fun until a few moments ago. It started over something as silly as a joke over a white man and an old dog. In today's post Jabba world, after the evil Solo and his goons killed the beloved potato like creature, everyone was tense. "Put the pistol down and I'll give you a back rub man!" shouted some guy in the crowd. Cristy's curved her Excaliber over Pete. "I'll have you know that my sword is spongy and full of short cake!" Pete would've listened if he only knew that short cake was like regular cake, except it had the liquor that he hated as an ingredient. As Lady luck would have it, a cat ran in, and it was cute as a button. Both of them loved cats. All was forgotten. "Kiss, kiss, kiss!", yelled out someone watching the whole thing "Oh really mature Angela" - replied Phaedrus sarcastically.

It is true I do not advertise such services. And while my main objective as an SP is to provide a slow and sensual encounter I am also well versed in BDSM. It is something I offer ESTABLISHED clients from time to time if their curiosity is peaked and desires are ready. In this role, I am strictly Dom and at no point will offer myself as a Sub. I do offer a selection of toys and encourage my clients to provide some of their own for more intimate games. To my established clients who wish to embark on this adventure I offer bondage, spanking & whipping, pegging, gagging, foot & ass worship, golden showers, and hot wax experiences. I am proficient with the use of a whip and Cat-O-Nine-tails as well as strap-on play. Clarissa

I'm looking out at my flower beds and enjoying how clean and tidy they are after all of my weeding and rototilling I did yesterday! So beautiful like an untouched canvas; I can't wait to fill them up with all sorts of beautiful majestic colorful flowers and plants!

New Holly a familiar face some of you already know, 23 year old, 5'5 feet tall, Long Dirty Blonde Hair, Green Eyes, model looks, 115 pounds, 32C. Experienced MA who loves what she does :smile: Couple & Female Friendly! Recommendations http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=H&t=85930 More pics http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/hollys-profile/ NEW MA starts this Thursday Brand New 19 year old cutie ....sweet, innocent girl next door look you will not be disappointed! Complimentary Training Duo's with Riley 9-4 Tuesday Salina 9-4 aka "Salinaflower" Sasha 9-3 aka "Sasha-Paradise" Bianca 9-4 aka "Sexy Bianca' Sabrina R 9-4 aka "SabrinaR" Mandy 10-7 aka "CandyMandy" Chasity 1-8 aka "Chasityxox" Chloe 2-9 aka "XChloeX" Kandice 4-11 aka "Sweet Kandice" Holly 2-11 NEW 1st day :smile: April 2-11 Jamie 3:30-11 aka "Jamie-xo" Riley 3:30-11 aka "Riley Parks" Cherry 6-10 aka "Cherry Blossom" After a long productive winter it brings Marc and I great pleasure to ANNOUNCE our new rooms are open! We want to first thank all of our fine clients that took the time to provide us with any feedback that would help us improve our business.....we are passionate about what we do and we take pride and genuinely care about our clients needs as well as our ladies and this shows in the expansion....Existing space (2000 sq ft) & expansion space (1800 sq ft) was done 100 percent LEGAL & ALL approved by the City of Ottawa and full occupancy was granted today! What we have added: *** A new discrete side entrance that you can enter and exit through ***Clients have the choice of 2 entrances and 3 exits from our unit for discretion ***All MA's have been trained how to be as discrete as possible in making sure you don't cross paths with other patrons at the spa! ***Separate massage waiting for privacy as well as utilize this space if you would like to meet the MA's in person for a quick hello to see if that special someone and you share some sexy chemistry! ***3 new rooms in addition to the 4 rooms our spa already had for the fast growing Massage industry in Ottawa and to be able to offer you more selection & variety of MA's for your enjoyment! The NEW Rooms are: ***Spacious with nice comfy couches to cuddle up with your favorite MA ***Professional Massage Tables that are adjustable ***Fresh High Quality Towels ***Industrial/Commercial onsite laundry facilities to ensure fresh linens at all times ***High Quality & Professional Body Wash,Massage Oil & Gel ***Erotic dance pole for all your naughty dances for the MA's that specialize in erotic dancing ***2 4 by 8 wall mirrors for your viewing to see all those oh so sexy bodyslides from every angle ***Adjustable lighting & black lighting to enhance your erotic massage experience *** In-room sinks *** the new showers are more spacious (5 ft) and can comfortably cater to 3-4 people at a time ...excellent for Duo's & Couples Massage :wink: we have custom massage jets that we built right into the shower....the jets are all adjustable for your preference of angles during shower fun....soapy shower fun oh ya! ***We now have specific pricing scales for all MA services our spa offers....no more inconsistent pricing guys! This has been long overdue! This I know will make everyone happy! ***We will be holding a private party meet & greet FOR PREGISTERED Members ONLY at the spa one late Friday evening near the end of May! A perfect opportunity to take a couple of hours for yourself and sneak away to Ottawa's favorite Paradise Getaway retreat :wink: More details coming soon! ***IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK AT ANYTIME PLEASE DO NOT BE SHY AND SEND US A PM! Holly-NEW April Chasity Cherry Chloe

Well I am a giver so I shall give my opinion from my self proclaimed area of expertise on the subject ............ May I suggest starting out with a light oil ....Purrrhaps Pennzoil brand 5w20 Then work your way up to a little bit heavier and maybe pricier oil... Mobil brand 5w30 It's Super ! And to wrap er up .... finish off with the sweet scented, top of the line heavy duty oil .... Valvoline brand fully synthetic 10w30 :) Yeah baby. Slip slide and away !!! It lasts forever it seems !!! ;) That's all I got. Hope this helps :) Bye for now.

From Suite Escapes album :)

Well that pretty much killed the mood.

I myself turn my phone on vibrate, hold it up to my ear, and have a pleasant conversation with myself as I walk past any hotel employees. The likelihood of anyone interrupting me to ask me questions is extremely remote, especially if I am talking to my imaginary friend on the other end. Just a suggestion that works for me.

The MA undercover SP should go be an indy escort rather then confusing clients that go to massage establishments. Also, if the owner is turning a blind eye and allowing this illegal activity to occur due to greed, that individual is putting all of their other staff at risk of being charged, not to mention all of their clients and bringing unwanted attention of the entire industry. The laws are in limbo but are still in affect. If the owner isnt aware, then I would suggest sending an anonymous email and giving them the heads up would be highly appreciated I am sure.

I really like this question. I don't have a complete answer. But the main thing: seduction is an activity performed upon the mind of the subject, not the body. Everyone's concept of sexuality sits within a complex web of mental associations -- some of them common, some unique. These associations aren't about how sex is done; it's about what sex means to that person. It's about who they think they are sexually, what they desire, what they think sex promises for them, what they'll admit to and what they won't, what they're eager for and what they're afraid of. Tug on those threads, and you trigger deep responses not just about sex but about identity. Seduction is about pulling gently on those threads, and the better you know the person (or can predict them), the more effective the seduction will be. Ultimately you're creating an intensely sexual state of mind. But it's not just about making sex happen, but about making the subject want that sex to happen, so that they invest themselves fully and deeply in what follows.

I just want to point out quickly that some people are allergic to coconut oil. I don't believe there is a known allergy when it comes to eating it, but contact dermatitis is something that a rare few will experience. If you are thinking about using it, try it out as a lotion for a few days and see how your skin reacts. My skin does NOT handle it well, and because of that I would never want to use it as a lube. I actually have to read beauty product ingredients carefully to make sure there is no coconut oil in anything I put on my skin. So while it is amazing for some people, just give it a trial run before you commit to buying a lot.

So I took one for the team... 24/7 agency? I was assured prior to the appointment by a man on the phone that it would not be a bait and switch situation after I warned him I would leave if it was. Well it was a bait and switch but whats worse is this girl was obviously not in a good place. She tried to make small talk and stuff and it was just really bad. I could tell she was struggling with addiction. She had that emptiness about her. The apartment was filled with smoke. There was weed out on the table. It was a truly Disgusting scene. I turned and left. Makes me sick how people can be exploited this way. 24/7 agency = very bad. Stay away.

Well today was supposed to be the first full day of rain, starting last night. Well not only has not a drop of water fallen...yet, the sun has come out, well I've lost count On the plus side, I prefer the sun to rain, but next time they call for sun, well it'll likely be rain RG :-)

I think Peter Mackay and Joy Smith should get a room and be locked in there until they fuck themselves sensible again. But that is just my opinion.

Tomorrow is wild Wednesday...come in for a visit and meet scarlette while you're here! Have you allowed yourself to indulge in the sensuality and the company of a woman who lives to please? Come and experience the touch of a true MA who will put you at ease and remind you what real touch feels like. A few spots left this week...is one yours? Wednesday 1-9 Thursday 9-1 Friday 1-9 ***Duo special day with Scarlette Call to book 613-298-2029 Or Pm me for bookings

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I am a sensual Goddess who only wants to meet meet men of respect and adoration for the body and touch of a woman. If you want to get lost in the moment, look no further, I am here to put your mind at ease and take away the gloominess of a rainy day. This week available: Wed and Friday XO MISS SCARLETTE OX

May be it sensed that you were paying too much attention to Rosetta! lol.

My cat knocked my laptop off the table and now the screen is black. My laptop is where my Rosetta Stone language learning was. Le sigh.

Hands Down...Meg!!! And I don't even follow hockey But Meg has you beat no matter what Sorry MN2 RG :-)

How did i get my CERB name ? I'm glad you asked Delilah cuz it just so happens I have a home movie I'd like to share of the moment I came up with it ......;)

When I post links they never seem to work but hopefully this will get you to the previous thread.... http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102834&highlight=Cerb

Duos are fairly rare here but today I had the absolute pleasure of getting to see Lyka for a second time, the thrill of meeting Electra for the first time and both at the same time. It was an afternoon I won't soon forget. Both ladies are exotic, sensuous, thrill inducing fantasy fulfillers. They put a smile on my face that I can't shake. I was afraid to blink in case I missed anything. I can only hope they find their way back here soon.

Anymore that's what I do. I only see ladies I trust. The only time I don't use email money transfer is if the lady prefers to be paid in cash. For me, it has the benefits of simplicity, no issues with exact change, and no need to travel carrying a large sum of money, nor does the lady have to travel carrying a large sum of money after the encounter RG

How about email money transfers? Anonymous both ways as opposed to credit card payments. With the credit card scenario, The provider can create a name to suit the client but vice versa, not so much. Receiving credit card payments isn't that anonymous.

So what's his rate in cheeseburgers?

The number one things that pisses me of and this is not directed at Cerb gents. Most ladies advertise elsewhere of course and one common theme is these people don't bother to read one thing about me. I get tons of calls and there is no, "Hello my name is Bill, how are you?" Sometimes its , "hey just wondering what your rates are". If I'm in a good mood I usually tell him that if this is first question it probably isn't going to work. lol. If I'm in a bad mood I just hang up. Generally this type of fool will call right back and say the same thing. Never once have I been able to turn this sort of call around.

Hey Cleo, keep your chin up. I am also doing the french Rosetta course to improve my skill. I was quite surprised how it's laid out, still trying to figure it out. It's definitely going to take quite a bit of time.

I had my first session with Raquel yesterday and wow... :icon_biggrin: she has created a regular...

I think I've had all the stuff out there used on me and my preference is a good quality Massage Oil like Biotone. The stuff is about $13 for 8 oz or $54 a gallon and is available locally. Their lotion is also good. A number of MAs use baby oil and I hate it !! Some even use the scented stuff which smells like hell for the rest of the day! Although the unscented stuff doesn't smell, you still can't get rid of it unless you have 2 showers. I also get a rash from baby oil for some reason !! If you figure out the price of a gallon of baby oil you may find that good massage oil, or lotion if you prefer, is probably around the same price !! The massage oil is very slippery and is water soluble so cleanup is a breeze. It just plain gives a better massage. I don't mind unscented baby oil for the finish if that's what the MA prefers but not for the massage. If I visit an MA that I enjoy and she uses baby oil I will bring a bottle of Biotone on my second visit. Some switch and others just save the bottle of massage oil for my future visits :) My 2 cents, from a customer's perspective.

Some municipalities are defining the word "Escort" improperly here in Canada! In municipal by-law's some cities here in Canada have defined the word "Escort" as a person who goes on paid dates but does not participate in sexual acts with clients in exchange for money. They do this as they want to license escorts but they do not want to accept that the escorts are having sex for the money (that would make them pimps and pimping or "living off the avails" is illegal in Canada). We all know that the term "Escort" is a person who is a "Sexual service provider" also known as such things as a "Call girl", "Courtesan", "Prostitute", "hooker", "Whore", "Harlot", and many other names. Many of the names are demeaning and not respectful as we all know so the ladies choose to use better words such as "Escort" so that they are not grouped in with the women who solicit sex illegally on the street (Also illegal in Canada). In Canada being paid for sex is legal and paying for sex is also legal. What is not legal is pimping, underage of 18, public solicitation / communicating / procuring for the purpose of sex and keeping a bawdy-house. Your common "out-call" service provider who does not solicit in public, does not have a pimp, is of legal age and charges for sex is not breaking the law! So why can they not call themselves a "Escort" in some municipalities? Because the municipality writes these by-laws defining the word "Escort" to mean something that it is not! Most municipalities do this to try to get rid of the ladies. Many of you think they do this because they want to make money off the girls... but that is not true! They don't want the girls in the cities at all. They want to force them to move to another city or quit being a prostitute all together. They use any revenue made from the licenses to further police (and I say police but remember they are not real police they are paid city officials that are actually by-law enforcement and can not charge anyone with a criminal code charge - as much as some will try to make you believe they have this power) Some cities are going to even greater lengths by asking the local police to accompany the by-law officers and try to entrap a few ladies into public solicitation (so that they can stir some fear in the ladies). Yes, they are actually doing this! You can read a thread here on cerb where one lady was tricked into going for a drink at the bar in the lobby of the hotel where she met her date... the date tried to talk to her about sex acts and next thing you know she was being arrested. Yes this is entrapment and she did know better... but I guess she felt the conversation was private enough and he was a good actor (she paid the price) but this is low! She did not want to go to the bar to have a drink with this person and he pretty much demanded it just so he could trick her and charge her. Nice eh! Makes me sick too! A note to the municipalities, We know many by-law guys and probably city officials read sites like this. You should as this should be a big fear for you. Bulling people is fun until all the people you bully get together and form a community and rise up against you! The definition of a ESCORT is "a person who provides a SEXUAL SERVICE to a customer and exchanges SEX for MONEY" - For your information... this is LEGAL in Canada! Just because you make a by-law that redefines the word "ESCORT" to suit your needs it will not hold up in court! You can not pass a by-law based on your MORAL REASONS and you can not charge a ESCORT a LICENSE FEE knowing that they have sex for money as this makes your city a PIMP and you are in turn LIVING OFF THE AVAILS OF PROSTITUTION and you are breaking the law!! With the INTERNET and communities like this one here on CERB the ladies are starting to UNITE and work together! Activist groups are now challenging the laws in court that take rights away from sex trade workers - don't think that this will not trickle down to the municipalities who are also taking away legal rights of people! It will not be long till you bully the ladies enough in your city that they unite and challenge your moral based by-law in court. It will end up costing your city a fair amount of money and one nasty slap on the hand to tell you that you can not take rights away from people who are not breaking the law (just because you don't like what they do for a living!) You should take the advise of your town lawyers who have probably told you that passing a by-law like this can backfire, it's only a matter of time before the ladies unite against you (any many men support them - every day more are supporting the ladies publicly as well as it's not so taboo any more to employee the services of a sex trade worker. It is the oldest profession as you know! Keep in mind that with todays technology (the internet) it's much easier to communicate and form communities (Like this one) you and other cities could bully the ladies in the past (knowing they would not group together) but you are very wrong if you think that will continue in this day and age... it simply will not hold true! Bottom line... No matter what you do you will not get rid of prostitution in your city - Too much need and demand for it - let's face it... if no demand existed you would not have such a large number of ladies working in the profession now would you!?!

Good Morning Beautiful In Canada, you must have completed a 2200 Massage Therapy program education with electives (3000 in BC). You will have to know all the body muscles, their actions. location, organ functions, struture and pathologies. You will also cover the body organ systems including know what and where veins, artiries, lymp node passage, etc. Massage training is mostly how to treat & prevent injuries/maintain functions of movement, work with clients of know pathologies & dysfunctions. You will learn what direction and beginning/end of muscle and those underneath. It is an intense university level traiing. Very little on reference for spa time massage. Just for clarification.. Massage = Health care professional, trained and registered MT Masseuse = sex industry The first goal of massage therapy and what is basically taught in the program is to do no harm. With education, from cellular to pathologies and death, every inch of the body is included. It is quite easy to injure someone if you are not familair with the anatomy, functions, could quite possibly hurt someone. Biology, chemistry and pathologies, pathologies, pathologies. Most spa's now require massage training in order to work. I am trained, certified massage theripist but not registered. Under no circumstances would I dis-regard or disrespect the work involved in the program as health care professionals. The massage therapy association has work so hard to rise above society's view of massage therapy (sex in a back room). Finally having it listed under the health care system. My opinion of a RMT offering anything sexual in nature, doesn't care nor respect the hard work that RMTs put in to ensure better health for society. If you love biological science, how the body works then I would recommend you call a school, talk to the students, there are lots of educational videos on massage therapy Hope this helps xoxo Lilly

I would think that a certificate would only change the way you could label yourself, not determine a level of professionalism or quality of service, only you can do that, a certificate can't. I'm not sure what He stands for, can anyone elaborate. But being professional isn't determined by the types of services provided it's determined by how you conduct yourself with your clientele, imo and by your reputation, you'll be and do just fine:)

I think the certificate is really about therapeutic massage and insurance billing, more than skill. A relaxation massage or massage that *isn't* intended to be paid for by an insurance provider would be all about the skill of the person giving the massage and creating the experience. That wouldn't be diminished by a HE. A registered masseuse offering therapeutic massage and the possibility of a receipt for insurance would be a different story. While the client probably wouldn't argue with a HE (I know I wouldn't!,) it would be contrary to the ethics of the regulatory body and could lead to problems. Just my thoughts. ;)

I'm with Nat on this one.... the rate a lady chooses is up to her, and her only. There is no set local price. We don't know the reasons behind why someone decides on a rate to charge, and we have no right to pass judgement on them for what they decide. Charging a lower rate doesn't mean the person has no self-respect. It could mean they are comfortable providing their services at that rate. Or it could mean they need the money. Or it could mean many things. Similar things have been said about providers who choose to offer 15-minute specials, and I firmly believe none of us has the right to look down our noses at the girls who choose to do so, and I belive the same about the rate issue. What other girls charge has no effect on my business. My clients come to see ME, and I believe most of them would no matter what I charged. I am not concerned about 'losing' clients to lower-priced providers. Clients don't 'belong' to us anyway.

Okay.......If that is what you want...........I am game.......