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For security reasons i have disabled this feature and i am working on a way to let each user hoose to turn this on or off....problem is this feature is being abused. Urgency to remove this is because one of the ladies has a real bad stalker we cant get rid of. he is watchng her profile and contacts everyone who visits her profile and says bad things about her so no one sees her. i have banned him about 10 times and he keeps coming back with new ip and sneaking in. its adding to his obsession and hurting her business too so for now i disabled it. also... some of the sp's post on every persons wall who visits them and this is also getting complaints. I am looking for a solution that would enable each person to turn on or off this feature.

In my opinion stolen words are just as bad as stolen photos. It's deception and it's wrong, the words used to describe one provider cannot possibly be used to describe another. One of the more poorly run "agencies" in town here in Ottawa that I've nailed for using fake photos in the past recently started to use real pictures but has begun to use stolen text. In the last two months I've documented this along with 3 other indies in Ottawa that have done the same. http://www.cowboysdiary.info/wordpress/?p=2806 http://www.cowboysdiary.info/wordpress/?p=2834 In this posting in the comments section you'll see the failed agency's defence for using stolen words, unfreakinig believable : http://www.cowboysdiary.info/wordpress/?p=2930 In a lot of cases the descriptions aren't even close and in the agency's case the girls aren't even aware of what's been posted. I've heard all the excuses about language, i'm not a good writer etc... the fact is some one else took the time to create the original ad and did so to describe themselves. Often these descriptions are quite personal in nature and make mention of likes and dislikes but aren't revised or edited. The description gives the reader a sense of who they might meet and who they are as a person but then when they meet they are nothing like the wrote or described.

There has been lots of talk again recently about sp using stolen photo"s I would like to discuss stolen texts. Awhile back I reported two separate ladies who used stolen text (word for word copy paste) in there cerb advertisement. I was surprised to learn that this is NOT necessarily against cerb rules. Personally I spend little to no time on a ladies photo albums and most of my time on what they have to say in there advertising,cerb post, and web sites. I read any Reco's that they may have and how they interact with other cerb members. I use this information to see if this is someone I would like to meet and if we are compatible. So personally I feel any lady that uses a stolen text describing there personality or services offered is just as offencive and deceiving as a stolen photo just wondering how everyone else feel about this. Just a side not the two ladies that I reported for using stolen text were eventually banned for breaking other cerb rules so you can read into that what you want

So to be clear, you are trying to get more SPs to tour New Brunswick on one hand, while on the other you are saying that the rates of touring ladies are too high? Quite frankly, that seems like the exact reason Emily stated in the other thread why she makes only short visits to Moncton, because of people just like you who say that her rate is too high and try to bargain with her. This is especially appalling after her post about going out of her way and travelling to smaller cities to better accommodate some of her clientele. If you think about it, what you said is patently false, as the fact that she keeps going to Moncton (even if it is for limited days) is de facto proof that her rate is not too high. If Emily, or any other touring lady was not, at bare minimum, covering her expenses, she would likely not travel there on a regular basis. Your cries of woe about the state of the Maritimes economy also ring false. Participating in this hobby is a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford to participate, then don't. If you need to save up to see a companion, then do that. Emily clearly stated in the other thread that she has a few reliable gentlemen in Moncton that she sees often, so she isn't "lumping them in with the bad apples". The bottom line is that people respond to incentives. When travelling to a certain city becomes onerous due to the amount of time a lady needs to invest dealing with cost cutters, no-shows cutting into business and disrespectful clients, then of course they are going to limit the amount they go to that city. Just as an SP may travel more to a city where there are a large number of respectful gentlemen that show up for their scheduled appointments and don't haggle over pricing. You close by asking "What's a guy to do?". I submit that you start by being a true gentleman and treating the touring (and local, for that matter) SPs with the respect to which they are entitled. Like any other business, you get what you pay for and if you are not willing to pay for quality then you get what you deserve.

We all have our different views on this issue of losing such a wonderful function IMO. Let's keep this conversation clean, nice and positive. Let's learn and discuss why we like and miss it or not :icon_smile:!! Big Positive Hugs All Around, Lexy

if it's for the safety of the ladies, i can live without this feature. the ladies safety is and always is the number one priority here on cerb.

BAH!!!! This feature was something I loved!!! There is nothing better then putting a smile on your face when you go onto your profile and seeing all the wonderful gents that took the time to view you...now I can't and I am sad ;( Popping guestbooks for me was all the fun lol I think this feature was an excellent way for us to socialize amongst cerb...This is to bad that this feature has been taken from us, as most of us girls and gents utilize this to our advantage :) I will keep my fingers crossed that the mod will click enable back onto this feature :) Kisses, Kennidi

I agree with Emily and that's why i travel as well. I also love seeing new people and new places. Halifax is my best city...so there must be money there...and gentlemen drive long distances to see me...I have gents to that will save their money for a visit. So if people know in advance we are going to their city they should book early and keep their commitment.. Moncton is well known for no shows and that's too bad because it reflects badly for the good guys. A couple of the places i visit the gentlemen will pay me by email money transfer before i even leave Montreal. Thus they are insured to see me. There is one place i visit that all my expenses are paid up front so anything i make there is profit. Now that i love..lol. To get more ladies to visit you where you are you need to respectful and encouraging...one person can't stop the no-shows but together with the help of the ladies you provide as references we can all have what we want. Happy Endings...:wink:

I think everyone has their text stolen from time to time, I can currently name 4 websites and ladies ads with various versions of my home page, philosophy or a few of my ads. Only once did I let it stress me and that was one of the first times someone took my ad posted it as their own and actually got credit for it - someone posted on the board an inquiry about her and people said she sounded interesting based on her ads. Anyway it took almost a month but she was found out to not be the lady she claimed and I was happy I didn't get involved in it at all. I figure this industry is hard, for some people it's likely impossible to navigate and some may not have had the work opportunities and training I've been fortunate to have so their skill set may not include marketing, web development, etc. I may not approve of their tactics but in all businesses and across all industries there are people without integrity and people without the experience to put together a business plan, the difference is in this industry when you are new you often don't know where to go for help or don't know you can even get help. I believe if you act with integrity and have a clear professional approach to the industry and display maturity with your actions it speaks more about you than any ad you can post. When someone uses my text I think it's not the text that makes the ad but my response to the situation, as they say actions speak louder than words.

Wow, i think it is no different then the hobbiest looking repeatedly at our profiles, clearly they are interested in some way.....as it is a site for service providers and men looking for those services.....so why are we hiding? we all know why everyone is on here. we all share that much in common, thats how we have contact with each other, which eventually turns into friendship (cerbship). I dont think its distasteful to reply with a flirty message. I think its fun, light hearted, and exciting. pushing someone and soliciting is begging them to come see you and giving your location and rates and so on on their guestbook-which is not allowed. however saying a playful message like "come play soon" or "hope to meet you soon" etc should be considered just as light as saying see ya later or talk soon etc. ohhhh cerb what is going on?! SMILE! ;) Xoxoxo

I've read that thread. Frankly it makes me not want to bother being a hobbyist. I know it's pocket money in a place like Toronto or Ottawa, but 300-400 is a significant amount in the Martitimes. Why bother blowing a weeks pay on an SP visit if i'm just going to get lumped in with the 'bad apples' in the area? Whats a guy to do?

I find it unfortunate that the "minority" in this case can ruin things for the the majority. Peace MG

I can't nominate this post at the moment (guess I gave Elizabeth too much love last night.. er, I mean.. noms!) but I wanted to quote her for truth again - it's not about solicitation or convenience, someone was being stalked and that's what we need to find ways to stop.

Okay ladies. The mod finally caught me .... but I must clarify !! I am not a stalker !! I am just a sleeper, a creeper, a dirty rotten peeper ;) haha

I respectfully disagree, Emily. When I see "Come and see me soon" to me it comes across as soliciting. So if I think that way, so will others and that is what the guys don't like. It also makes the Poster seem a little pushy or desperate. Just my two cents.

I am sure if any SP here ever did something like collect deposit for bookings, and say she did not end up going, and also did not refund the client, then she would be risking all reputation she had built on this board. A reputation takes a long time and effort to build, but can so easily be taken away, much faster than it took to build! I don't think SP's would risk ruining all the work they put into building a good rep here just to score 1/2 of the booking fee.

I think what is being suggested by Emily is that us as Paid Advertisers it is a great tool to utilize. Yes it would be completely inappropriate to SPAM members guestbooks. Because us agencies as well as MA working for an agency have to pay to be here we are forced to work hard and utilize all resources. If a member takes an interest in viewing our profile shows they are curious and/or interested in us so is it inappropriate to acknowlege there interest? I say NO. It is completely acceptable imho :) I think that having an option to turn this option on/off is a great idea as well so for those who do not enjoy this feature can turn it off :)

i am a senior but a newcomer to the whole SP scene. my first time i told the lady that i had two fears...that i wouldn't be able to get it up or i would explode too soon. she told me not to worry, that she had ways to make sure i was fine. OMG did she ever. just under the hour. anyway, i WISH i could worry about MSOG. i am proud (and happy) to be able to experience the one great one. :)., (70 yrs. next month. no viagra etc.)

If you look at some of the messages, SOME are pure sollicittion :icon_confused: I can understand why some gentlemen are not too happy about it.

First off, IslandIndependant, apologies for my earlier response. Seriously I don't function well without a morning pot of coffee, and should have waited till I got home from work before replying I read the lines starting with "If a man is paying..." and honestly, it sounds, even now more like some guys who have made posts that are disrespectful towards SP's For me, and I'm sure for a lot of the gentlemen here, seeing a escort is more than just about sex. Yes, most definitely, sex is part of the encounter, but not the whole encounter. I like the entireity of the encounter, the initial meeting, conversation, sex, kissing/cuddling Another way to put it, I like encounters of two to three hours. I'm fifty years old...do you really believe I have two to three hours sexual stamina at my age?...no, I like the company of women for more than just sex. I don't know whether you have such a narrow shallow view of escorting because it was your mindset before entering the profession, or you have only met guys as clients who view you solely as a means for their sexual gratification. But it should be mutually beneficial. And that, for me doesn't mean money for sex. It means money to compensate for the lady's time, with the benefit of no relationship complications. What happens during the time can be mutually enjoyable and pleasurable. Seeing ladies shouldn't be a zero sum game...that whatever the gentleman gains is at the lady's loss Some coffee laden thoughts RG

Well, I think there is some valuable advice in this thread, then. To sum it up, be very respectful in all your dealings with SPs starting from the first time you contact them. Show them that you are a man who can be trusted. When they come to your city, book an appointment, and keep it. If you do this, and a few more gentlemen do the same thing, then slowly Moncton's reputation will begin to change. Also, build your own reputation by participating more frequently on CERB, if that's something you enjoy. It will let ladies see that you are a reputable person and allow you to have casual online interactions with them which certainly won't hurt when they are travelling to your area.

This is the original video for the song Poison by Alice Cooper which was censored because of naked boobies. To quote another person, it's amazing how it's okay to watch people kill each other, but not the human body.

I agree with bewlayb's suggestions. For the ladies' safety the option to view visitors profile should be restored only where it is private to the lady herself (I as a guy have absolutely no business to know what other guys visited a particular lady - if it is the matter of a recommendation then we have the reco boards for that info). IMO I think the ladies would be safer by knowing who has visited their profiles but restricting that info to outsiders. Posted via Mobile Device

I can't believe I missed that post by the MOD. There's always gotta be one sick apple in the bunch to ruin things for everyone. I am very upset now and concerned for this lady. Whom ever you are my thoughts and prayers are with you, your safety comes first. Why are some people such nut jobs?? With concerns to our fellow SP. I have to agree that this was the right and quick move by the MOD and much respect is given to the MOD for doing this!! A solution that would enable each person to turn on or off this feature would be awesome!!

I'm a guy and I don't mind it. But, context is important. I don't have a problem with a lady acknowledging my visit to her profile and inviting me to come see her. I do have a problem if she appears out-of-the-blue on my page with an invitation to see her. This is a form of advertising and there is a special forum available for that purpose. As for the original topic. The ideal solution is to always have the visitor panel turned on and give the profile owner the ability to keep it private (only visible when viewing your own profile) or public (visible to anyone viewing your profile). A third "semi-private" option could be considered where only friends of the profile owner can see the visitor panel. It seems most (if not all) users enjoyed the private benefits of this feature (i.e. seeing who's visiting their profile and seeing how many visitors they have). The stalker issue resulted from making this information public. Perhaps then, an even simpler solution would be to provide no optionality and just enable the visitor panel as a private feature (i.e. only visible to the profile owner).

I think it is pretty hard to specifically define a couple words on a page as soliciting or playful. It really depends on the 'relationship' between the 2 people and the context. If someone is saying 'come see me' on numerous hobby pages with no existing interaction than thats surely soliciting. But I prefer to edge on the more liberated side. After all lets not forget what this sight is about. I get tickled when a lady I might have had a small initial interaction with (even me viewing her page) posts a message. It doesn't mean I need to respond. And some ladies who I know do post random messages on my page. Some can just say 'hi' and I get that warm feeling. However, the original thread is not about posts on guest pages. It is about the loss of visiter information. Understanding and supporting the reason for its removal...I look forward to the optionality of its return. Cub

I wanted to give you rep points, Angela but I already spread too much love around in the last 24 hours ;)

I totally agree with you Angela about the soliciting part and seeming pushy and desperate but a simple hello and thank you for visiting should be fine and it's just a polite thing to do IMO. You can always delete it or in some cases the messages have to be approved by the person. I truly loved and missed this function and never use it to say "Come and see me soon". It's seems to me that this function is wanted back, it's a nice ice breaker to say hello. I too tried to give you rep points but couldn't so I nominated your post!!

What a colossal waste of time and money considering there are much more pressing issues bureaucrats could be addressing.

Email money transfers do not require a real name. The email address you chose to send/or receive with is associated with your bank account. That's how you can accept or send money anonymously. I use this option on a very frequent basis with my gentlemen and we all appreciate the convenience it provides us with.

The guy should be seeing ladies he trusts. If there is that much mistrust, maybe he should see another lady. And if that much fear, maybe this isn't the lifestyle for him If the touring lady didn't show up, she would refund the gentleman's deposit. As for the wife's address, the reputable ladies here aren't looking to contact wives and break up marriages. Sorry, but lets not feed into stereotypes here And I'm not bashing, just commenting RG

There is that option on the bottom right hand corner (it says "Report") of the message left on profiles, right by "View Conversation". Would be good for abuse of any kind.

In the case of aggressive soliciting on the guest books, is there an option to report that? I do show appreciation for viewing my profile ie: caught you peeking....or thanks for checking my profile. But not to every individual that happens to check me out. I think it distasteful, and looks desperate to come right out and solicit on a guest book. They will seek you if interested, no need to put someone on the spot like that.

Emily I think what the person who referred to some posts at members profile as solicitation meant the ones who only post a 'come see me soon' or something similar. I don't think any gent would be bothered by a 'thanks for visiting my profile' especially if as you said is a way to show appreciation for the interest in you or/and your profile, is not something I often do but don't see anything wrong with that. Posted via Mobile Device

To be Honest I thought it was the polite thing to do- to acknowledge and thank the people that have viewed your profile and to be flirtatious enough that they feel invited to visit again and again ;) I am disappointed it is gone. Same with the counter, as that added to the excitement of this site! It also helps determine if the thousands of dollars spent in advertising on here actually works...... I really enjoyed the last 10 visitors option and the counter was a bonus...... my fingers are crossed that it will all return as I miss being able to notice a potential new friend, and to thank them for their interest and their time -etc. xoxoxo

Back in 2009, there was a particular sp, from another site, she was never a cerb member..used to make it a point to cut & paste from MY AD every single day for like a month straight.... The frustration I endured from this was rather stressful, because I would always take the time to create text that would REPRESENT ME AND TO INDICATE all the positive's of spending time WITH a lady such as myself...then some lazy chick wakes up, scrolls through the ads and just cuts & pastes it into hers, BTW I find that to be a very strong indication of the type of service you will be in for , IMO. For example, first thing I always indicate is just how busty I am :boobies:...so when she would copy and paste from my ads, ( she was a B-cup ) nothing wrong with a beautiful :boobies: b-cup, but sorta silly to introduce yourself as super busty, IMO> Anyways, finally made it a point to make a little note in one of my ads, addressed to my follower, saying this: "Hey so & so ( WON'T NAME HER on here, but did so in my ad ;)) from the (her area of town), did you get all that??? Now hurry up and cut & paste my text like your illiterate & simple minded self has been doing for the past month!!!!!! "" And it worked!!!! I guess I embarrassed her.... Harsh perhaps...But the shaming worked :biggrin: I then noticed she moved on to other ladies from other cities,,,,,she was so off on her game that she would copy & paste from ads that were in an area in CALIFORNIA!!!!!! AND she would leave the dam area in her ad, in OTTAWA, AND SHE WOULD LEAVE THE ORIGINAL LADY'S NAME IN IT TOO :bigclap:

The last visit to Halifax for me was almost a bomb. I had several people requesting me to go, so I advertised for 2 weeks. The first two days I was rather upset...as the very same people who were requesting me all of a sudden did not book?? Thankfully the last two days filled up, just in time too! The same thing happened to me in Ottawa, until a member spoke up and said " come on Ottawa we can do better than this!" I never did narrow the reasons down to just a single factor as there were probably many factors involved. Could be that I had not traveled there often enough and people had never meet me yet, however I had gone with many recco's behind me, or it could be I picked the wrong dates to go, perhaps there was a overflow of travelers at that time? But my question is still lingering.....why would the people who were asking me over and over to go, but then they are not the ones who booked? Really if your gonna risk spending 1000 to go, you want the advance bookings to actually show up! The pre arranged appt are the ones that you really count on, anything beyond that is a bonus to your profits. I recently been asked again from Halifax and Ottawa for another trip, but I will be much more careful on who is pre-booking, such as are they reliable?

This. 1. As Samantha eluded to if someone is willing to cover the entire cost of the travel a SP is more then willing to travel to any location. And I am sure many of us have been unknowing beneficiaries of a generous client. 2. Pre-booking. When a SP does an advance schedule post they are looking for reassurance that they can break even for their travel. Pre-booking helps reassure them. However.... 3. Reputation. A location's reputation also plays a part of their decision. A place with high no-shows, rude clients, reduces its attraction to visiting SP. Unfortunately Ottawa still has a bad rep for no-shows. Notice (1) and (2) are within our singular control while (3) requires a more coordinated effort by all of us.

The foregoing controversy aside, I think that tepic's original post is worth a response. What I say has to be heavily salted with the fact that I don't tour, though I do occasionally go out of town with, or to meet, a client for a few days. I'm happy with the business I'm doing where I am. I'm frankly in awe of the ladies who travel all the time. It requires enormous stamina, more than I'm willing to expend right now. That said, I have been toying with the idea of going to Ottawa. I like Ottawa, particularly the capital region, and I haven't seen it in awhile. That's one reason. Another reason is that I've enjoyed getting to know some of the men there and would like to meet them if they were interested. A third reason is that I simply love quite a few of the Ottawa ladies and I would like to spend some time with them in person. If I decide to travel to Ottawa I would need to be sure that I could cover my costs. While many touring ladies have a schedule or a cycle of cities they visit, some companions travel to a given city when a gentleman offers to pay for their flights and acommodation, usually in exchange for a comparable amount of time. So, for example, if a flight to Ottawa were to cost $900 and accommodation is another $600, the companion could provide $1500 worth of time. That might be an overnight visit, or a couple of long evenings--whatever works for them. She would see other clients outside the time set aside for the one who brought her to the city. So, tepic, if you want to encourage more companions to visit your city, perhaps you could consider offering some sort of incentive that will both ensure the companions go to NB and make it possible for them to begin to establish a client base there. Obviously this is not an inexpensive gesture, but it might work!

I think the point tepic is trying to make is that is that although the generalization may not apply to him, he feels that he is still suffering (in terms of not having many SPs visit his town) for the misdeeds of others. From this perspective, the 'good guys' pay the price for the 'bad apples'. What tepic fails to realize is that the SPs who get stiffed are really the ones who pay. Literally - lost income and travel expenses. Not to mention the personal disrespect is shows. I understand tepic's frustration at the unfairness of it all, but it's the jerks and no-shows who are to blame - quibbling about rates and acting like it's the SP's responsibility is misdirected and unproductive. What's a guy to do? Step 1 - put your own house in order and make sure you're not part of the problem. Be respectful, and show up. <g>

Cara - yes

interesting. I always thought that was a cute gesture :confused0024:

i saw her last week and she was absolutely amazing and looks even better in person. Great experience from start to finish and I can't wait to see her again :)

The only advantage of this now...is I can creep profile even more for pictures without appearing to be a stalker:D

boobies!:D I am a 11 years old that just discover his dad old playboy but in a woman body...all the time. And those that know me a bit more personally know I randomly shoot boobies all the time:)

First I need to thank all the participantnt is the Third chicas party. Especially those that added their comments on this board. We are getting there. I esecially need to thank milfhunter for his input and Soleil for her leg work ( and what wonderful legs those are) Your input makes my work so much easier and so much more believable. To Soleil's summary for Badger, I need only to add a few comments. The limo ride was new this time. I think it added something special and I hope the ladies did too. If we are going to continue this I need some feed back. I didn't actually give the ladies free reign at the Love Nest. They had a guideline of $500 and theycame within 10% of that guideline. Not bad at all! We never had the rules for Dirty minds so we made up a few of our own. It was kind of like , "Dirty Mind" meet "who wants to be a millionaire" on a much smaller scale. I am very happy to say that all the ladies took the ' ask a friend option' That option added to the fun. There were a couple of partyers that were very good at this game , but it didn't matter , everyone and I mean EVERYONE was a winner. About the panty auction and panty toss. It ain't easy. This is an event that we had in the last 2 parties and DAMN IT next time I am going to get to play!!!. I thought I stacked the deck so I could do it this time but I guess not. The shadow dance and gory hole was not the sucess it was last time but as Jose Bautisa. will tell you , you can't hit a homer every time. Still I love the silouette of a lady's body moving to the music so we will try this again. Do I like having my equipment played with by a lady on the otherside and not knowing who it is? YES!!! I may be the only one but that only means the rest of you are pervs (lol) Soleil tells you that Liane was out of this world on the Sabian. Absolutely true. However there were no slouches. Every lady should have this oppertunity. Every man's life is not complete without seeing this. I am so glad we can offer this. The hook-up worked very well. This is part of the party I don't have to worry much about. If you don't hook-up that night you at least have a change to arrange something later. There are 2 things about Soleils post that I need to clarify. She said that watching Lianna on the Sabian was worth the "price of admission" . There is no price of admission. That is something done in Ottawa. It is nothing we have ever done at a chicas party. Soleil gives me more credit than is due for chooseing people that are compatable. The ladies are easy. We just excude attitude and there are dozens of ladieswho qualifyFor the men I am simply looking for men that indicate they want to attend &who I am sure are safe. ( that is not as easy) .Best thing is long term membership on the board a number of posts. give me a few ladies that you have seen, Hopefully I will have seen some of them but as was pointed out to me a few months ago here " you can not possible have seen an many ladies as I have seen clients"Fair enough. and I will never have the pleasure of seeing her nor she me.

They seem to be doing something about it, which is promising. Their privacy guide (pdf) is also quite good.

A splendid gorgeous lady with a 'hot' body! great photo Cato

I for one, hope codom use becomes mandatory in porn.

Giving the benefit of the doubt is wise. After all, if the other person really meant to be offensive, they'll find another opportunity. Everyone benefits when we pause before posting something emotional. Strong feelings matter, but they also cloud most people's writing. One needs to be more cautious when feeling angry, frightened or disdainful than when feeling delighted or celebratory. If you're feeling really charged-up, it's never a bad idea to ask for help. See if someone you respect is online. PM them and tell them that you're steaming over X's post and you want to reply, but you're not sure whether what you want to say will get across in the way you hope. See what they think. There are intense things going on a lot of the time, but no genuine emergencies. It's rarely critical that we reply to a thread immediately. Taking a few minutes to step away from the keyboard, make a pot of tea, talk to the dog, plan dinner or focus on something else for a few minutes is not going to be a poor choice!