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Although I generally agree with the above I have to be 100% honest and admit that I sometimes 'roll my eyes' when I feel like certain words are being misused due to a total lack of consistency between the elements (ads, actual language used, posts, pictures, website, overall presentation, ect.). For example, when a lady chooses to call herself a 'classy upscale elite courtesan' and addresses her audience in the 'hey boys cum c me u will not regret it i have no restrictions' manner, focuses on 15 minutes specials, goes on car dates, has grainy amateur pictures taken with a blackberry and all you see in the background are clothes on the floor and beer cans on the night stand next to an ashtray full of cigarette butts... well I have to say that none of it makes sense to me and this is when I roll my eyes and ask myself if I missed something. Yes, it is up to each and everyone of us to advertise ourselves in the way we desire and see fit but I also believe consistency and correlation should play an honest part in the marketing process.

I don't have an issue with someone using the words classy, elite or upscale... but I sure roll my eyes when someone claims to be 'the best'. Look at the uproar recenty over who was the hottest man Ryan Gosling vs Bradley Cooper. It was ridiculous how many people got involved in the debate.. which is all to say that 'the best' is completely relative. No one in their right mind claims it. I always keep it simple.. I leave the adjectives to others.. because after all.. they are all relative to the beholder.

Realizing my actual age...where did the time go?

Here are some afternoon ramblings. I'm wondering if ladies using certain terms are less using them to describe themselves as they use them to weed out a certain clientele. For example a "upscale courtesan" is less likely to attract a guy looking for a 15 minute incall at Motel 8 But for me, in my learning curve, I've discovered the best selling technique the ladies have is their postings here on CERB. Since embarking on this lifestyle in July 2010, I've had four bad encounters. All four of those ladies were non-CERB. CERB isn't a vetting board, but for those ladies who participate, you do get an idea of the lady you are to meet. I now stay exclusively with CERB, not only does it give me an idea of ladies I want to meet, it gives me an idea of those I don't want to meet...and I'm sure it works the same way for the ladies too. As for the subject of the written word, since it has been brought up. The worst place for learning to write was university, in my experience. All they wanted was for you to write as long a report as possible. But having a degree is a sign of an education. My work life taught me to be as concise a writer as possible, so much so I get reports that my boss should be writing, she gives them to me to write. And education and intelligence are not one and the same. Some of the smartest people (common sense) I know have high school, some of the dumbest (well they are book smart) have post graduate degrees. But at the end of the day, the selling point for me in seeing a lady is "is she a lady I would like to meet, a nice person, someone to spend a few hours with, and maybe see on a regular basis?" Wow, that's a long winded rambling from a guy who's reports are normally concise RG

Tough decision to make here, but I prefer sex offer chocolate but not by much. I enjoy licking chocolate from a sexy body any day.

Just like size.. length isn't everything :icon_wink::dncdick: but as for chocolate.. I like the big dark chocolate bars with almonds at wal-mart! I rarely have chocolate.. preferring caramel if I have sugar.. and never over sex.

It was then (ok early 80's) that I was at an uncle's cottage and my cousin who was a bit older then me had his girlfriend over and she had on a bikini and I could see bush on each side of the strip of cloth. It was so hot I had to hide in the bush(behind trees) to masturbate to the nice view I had seen. Thanks for this thread to make me remember. I do trim Jim and the twin myself and at one point had a very sexy lady from here help with that, it was the best shave I have ever had.

Personally, I didn't even know that being hairy had gone out of fashion for men, until quite recently when an escort complained my hair... no one supplied us middle aged men with that memo. It used to considered sexy to be hairy. Recently, I heard a commedian talk about shaving his groin to make his member look bigger. I've also heard that men who body build shave their chest to give their muscle more definition -- not my scene. The idea of women shaving their nether regions is actualy quite a recent trend. Based on looking at playboy centre folds it looks like it started around 2000. Miss January 1999 has a nice blond bush, but miss Jan, 2000 had only a thin strip. It wasn't until 2007 that the girls were completely bare. Its an interesting social change. Anyone know why that has occured.

Why choose ... have both

Truffles with a chocolate ganache center BUT I would never choose them over any kind of intimacy ;)

READ!!!! Don't book an appt and THEN ask for donation requirements, restrictions etc... I would say that most ladies either post their info in their ads and if not they include links to their websites. Some of us utilize the "about me" tab to explain as much as we can. Don't be lazy...get your ducks in a row and everyone will have a much more satisfying time!

Coming from a younger point of view, i am not married, but i am in a committed relationship or a few years. I personally don't find that seeing sps or mas is being unfaithful, there are certain things that the woman i am with chooses she isn't comfortable doing so i choose to go every so often and get my fix (per say), and it helps my relationship last. Ive personally had to deal with a cheating spouse from a few years ago... her nick name was bakers dozen from a few of my friends, and thats just the ones she told me about. The fact that they were all within the last 2 years of our 6 year relationship (as far as i know), hurt a lot more because she sprung everything on me at once, and i realized how much resentment she had because i couldn't keep her "happy". When i started this hobby i started to think... if she had been seeing an sp, it may not have been so bad... going out once a month or every other month (like i do) to get her "fix" wouldn't have hurt me as much as her starting and ending a minimum of 13 other relationships. So this might be a little naive since I'm young and haven't really experienced much, but i think that sps and mas can be healthy for a relationship rather then a hindrance, at least more so then starting other relationships with other people behind your SO's back. Zoro

You're absolutely right, the Harper Government is gonna try and come down on this pretty hard. But if the reversal of the law can show positive change in the short 12 months it has, I think they're going to have a hard to trying to over turn it.

I like RG's kindness, frankness and his common sense! Plus he is a very nice person! :)

I like Cato because he always finds the best photos of boobs!

Well I'll shave down there, but if chest hair is good enough for the one and only real James Bond, no razor goes near my chest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtEvsviIYSQ RG

It's certainly not recent that women have been shaving as has already been elaborated on here.. I know for myself I was asked to shave for so many years.. and only relented in about 2001.. and was very late to do so! I did it for a boyfriend at the time because he enjoyed it in the magazines. When I offered to do it.. and asked him to shave me his eyes it up like a kid in a candy store. Once I had it done I never went back.. BUT.. before I did this.. I had the idea that shaving would make me look like a little girl and that turned me off. I refused to dress up like a school girl either.. but I well got over that hangup :) For some reason.. I still dislike the look of completely bare. I like a little ''landing strip" but back to the original question.. I like guys clean shaven.. face, balls and back if necessary lol.. but not chest. I find the shaven chest too irritating rubbing up on my skin.. which can happen with the groin area too if his hair is particularly course.. so if you have really course hair.. in my opinion don't do it at all! I think porn is the main reason people started shaving. You need the hair out of the way for good penetration images and scenes.. and then many people viewing porn followed suit.

I had people who thought mine were fake..silly people...they are just amazing..;) lol As far as fake boobs, implants, balloons,or pretend real boobs go..some are amazing but i don't like the ones that are perfectly round and don't move...just looks odd.

What's up with that? I thought the modern man looked after the boys! I had a vasectomy after my 3rd daughter 15 yrs ago and was told a complete shave 'nipples to knees' was required...not wanting some random orderly assuming that task when I arrived in pre-op I did it myself...glad I did 'cause the dude next to me didn't & I nearly pissed myself listening to him squeal ...:icon_biggrin: Ever since then my boys and the big guy never get too stubbly. Really guys its a hygeine thing thats a no brainer...smell, looks, etc ... this may be a little too specific but we men can't forget the bush in the crack of our ass either haha...OK I'm done. Christy...gotta tell you girl you are intoxicating and the next time this fellow maritimer overnights in Hfx I'm getting in touch with you ... pun intended:69:

I am in a small town, Fredericton. I have only been spotted one time, but in my town most of the population is not from here, as most are students and soldiers that come and go.My clientel is mainly older professional men, and if they see in public they certainly wont "out" me. Because of my age, I tend to get more men closer to my age as well. If you are young SP you may find you have more younger men...who may not have the maturity needed to be discrete. Whereas you are new to the industry, I think you feel safer and more secure if you did not show your face?? I have been in the industry for a long time now and have mastered my screening process. But it took time to learn. Had I jumped in with face shoots and little wisdom on booking and screening I too may have risked "outing" myself. The first priority is your safety and peace of mind! So do what feels right to you. Plenty of men also get intrigued with no face shoots;) Best of luck, If I can help in anyway, I am a PM away:)

A couple of Ottawa based chocolatiers... http://truffletreasures.com/ http://www.louisesbelgianchocs.com/ http://www.crazy4chocolate.ca/

On that same note, I know I am always freshly showered (and shaved:icon_wink:)...the showering, well in everyday life I shower, but especially in my intimate life I like to be clean too. As for the shaving, I like most of the ladies I see, and if lack of pubic hair makes an encounter all the more pleasant for the lady, well I'll be bald down there...matches my head too LOL I guess I try to do what I can for an encounter to be pleasant for everyone, I know the ladies I see (for the most part) do what they can to make encounters enjoyable for me, and it turns out most of the ladies I like, I do what I can for ladies I like RG

On that topic, see this story, I swear it's absolutely true! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=327080&postcount=3

And it makes us average guys look bigger after the manscaping, not too mention the lessening of the zipper snag malfunctions that have caused no end of painful situations.....

I have found it always beneficial to keep the little twins shaven, been doing it for years. Many complements for keeping the grounds tidy and I am sure of less reservations and better services.

Sex is sweeter than chocolate! Some of the best chocolate I've ever had is here on the Island at the Newfoundland Chocolate Company. They make heavenly truffles. Porthos

I spend 300$ to get some scratches out of my car door a week later I see even worse ones on the same door!!grrrrrr

Why Lee...Chicken???? Just use this and have this song playing while you do the "surgery" LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3aSl4pjtE&feature=fvsr RG

Viva la bush. I don't trim, but I suppose it may make sense if the growth is abnormally long. It's quite normal for both men and women to have hair around their private areas. I personally am quite comfortable with a woman who has a bush, in fact I think it's rather beautiful. One of my enduring memories is of a lady I saw in TO 30 odd years ago that had a beautiful black bush, but what was striking was the sight of the pink pussy peeping out. It's really a matter of staying healthy and practicing good hygiene. I suppose I can understand the ladies shaving, it's just a matter of easier maintenance. I wouldn't think of seeing a lady if I hadn't showered and cleaned up before a date.

When I read an ad I'm looking to get to know the provider... Don't sell me, tell me ( there is a big difference) Be honest, tell me what you want me to know, don't compare yourself to others, this is your time tell me about you. And most importantly....

I read the entire tread and must say few things; education does not equal classy or upscale as they are many many people that have high education but could not attend to a bussiness function,a twelve courses dinner as they don't understand what well manner mean and have an hard time functionning socially. Also they are quite few people that own a phd/university degree and do not know when it is time to stay quiet as they are stepping in a field they don't know. I personally make grammar and spelling mistakes from time to time but my first language is french.Does it mean i oversell?I don't think so.. As personal wide knowledge is also a key.I also came accross few people that though that they were upscale,vip has they can write and romance perfectly in papers or on the internet but in fact they are snob.As someone that trully aquire that status would have no problem helping other instead of looking down on others Having higher rates or minimum of hours does not equal either been more upscale then an other...It just mean that you have evaluate your time at that price and leaning sometime to different goals. I always made a point to never say that i had an high education as i have no degre...There is no point for me to lie. To my opinion if you always have to remind people how classy and how the best you are,and also point out how your reviews reflect how great you are not only you are trying to convince yourself but all that surround you. Repeat and return clients is usually were you should have self gratification. VJ

I keep my lawn well trimmed, especially along the shaft. The ladies show their appreciation to such meticulous grooming :icon_wink:.

Well, for me, yes. I'd find that unattractive. And quite possibly for the woman as well. I've known several women whose natural breasts were so large that they were causing them other health issues, particularly back pain. They both had breast reductions and were much happier for it. But it's very much a very personal and subjective choice. Porthos

I was thinking by #4 maybe he means that the sp ad, in they way you also describe here, has made the effort to fix the spelling, grammar, punctuation, and/or to ensure that what she is trying to say is being said. colloquial might refer to using a lot of slang and short cuts. If a guy was looking for a professional type of sp (by that term I mean someone who cares about good customer service, and more), he would ignore any ads written in text speak: r, u, cum, gr8, etc, and a ton of spelling errors, not just a few typos. If an ad is only 8 sentences or statements long, how much time can it take to fix it up. It is just putting your best foot forward, it is the very first impression you make. For clients who don't really care about these little details, it won't matter that the sp takes this time and effort. But for the other half of the potential clients out there, it makes a difference and it might mean they call the sp, so increasing its effectiveness. Here is an excerpt from an ad posted on another site. I have actually fixed the spelling errors because I can't remember them, but the entire ad was a mess: "Collage student in need of help to pay for school intuition." It may not be a surprise to anyone that the same advertiser used fake pics, spelled out their phone # so it wouldn't be found to match to other ads, multiple names and set up multiple accounts when the prior accounts got blocked for various rule violations. So many ads have so many clues that many savvy clients learn by trial and error. A great sp needs to take care that her presentation doesn't get her lumped into the 'avoid these ones' piles that good clients make on first impressions based on their ads.

After reading this thread I must say it is making me rethink. The majority of photos I take, I do myself. It is difficult for me to set up a shoot for me with a friend for a myriad of reasons. So what you see is what you get. I also don't want a the professional cost, as much as I would like to. I have fun taking my pics (and others). The planning, the ever loving freakin' timer, is something peeking out that shouldn't, is that the dog licking his winky in the background? Do I crop? You bet! Do I airbrush? Not at all. Do I like to decorate or tweak some of my shots? Yes! It's fun and I enjoy playing with graphics and images, my web page here and my web site. Do I represent myself accurately? I thought so. Now I'm not so sure. ____________________ Spelling and clarity are 2 of my buttons. Especially spelling. Grammar, not so much. But looking at it from the other side of the fence; if I read an ad that was full of misspellings and touting how they are "the best" or some such, I would take a pass. Obviously no thought was put into the ad and comes off crass and scripted. This, of course, does NOT apply to folks whose first language is not English. AAMOF I give kudos to those that have a difficult time accurately communicating in another language. From experience, that is very difficult. I am not perfect, I make tons of spelling errors myself. But I correct them; if I didn't it would bug me.

Well, this certainly has been an interesting thread. Some of it quite a puzzler to me. I guess I ignored this thread completely as the title contained "question for the ladies" but now I see a lot of guys have given their point of view which I have all read and considered carefully (the ladies point of view also of course). I can't even see any benefit in a half hour appointment :) I could never imagine myself enjoying that. I think Roamingguy said it very well: Well said! I have either an enlightened view or a completely dumb one that the 10 - 15 seconds of intense pleasure matters not to me in the least. In fact, I revel in the ladies relaxation, conversation, and enjoyment and never ever worry about my own pleasure and sometimes I do feel so misunderstood. Perhaps the lady isn't in the mood (too many clients that day... who knows?.. only she knows for sure), well when I am sitting in a plane waiting and waiting for the pilot to take off and he doesn't because of some problem, invariably the person in the seat next to me has to complain and complain and eventually I politely say "If the pilot doesn't want to fly, I don't want to fly, do you?". Shuts them up every time without fail and without being too rude. That said, the ladies are pretty consistent to ensure that I don't end up leaving after 3 or 4 hours without a happy ending and the airlines do always eventually get me to my destination (sooner or later, even days later). Worrying about if I'll get there or not in the next couple of hours doesn't change the outcome. But as much as I only fly (a lot) to get where I must, I see a lady to see a lady and in this case just enjoy the flight. Always makes for a more pleasurable flight when you aren't in a hurry and much less stressful and the end result is always the same. So my dumb view is I never worry about this, if it happens it happens and if it doesn't it's not the primary reason I was there anyways. Hope that makes sense.

You are very wise to do your research before jumping in. I'm sure lots of the ladies on here can give you plenty of advise about screening clients. See Emily Rushton's "following instructions" thread. Clients have different perspectives on "screening". Many don't like it, but I think many more appreciate that some degree of screening is necessary and important for the safety and security of the lady. Many ladies now require a reference from at least one other provider. If someone is on a board like CERB you should ask for their handle, so that you can review their posts and get a sense of whether they are someone you'd like to see. Get a contact number and e-mail address that can be verified, but it is important not to ring that number unless you have the client's permission to do so. I think some back and forth e-mail and/or a phone conversation can also help you "get a sense" of the client. I'm just thinking of some of the ladies on here who have verification procedures. Emily Rushton, Penelope, Katherine, Victoria Jolie, come to mind immediately, as well as a number of others. Take a look at their practices, and decide what you feel comfortable requiring. At the end of the day, always trust your instinct when booking clients.

This continues to be a thought provoking thread. Regarding seeing an SP versus having an affair, this raises all sorts of interesting questions. I've done both. Early on, when I was feeling sexually frustrated in my marriage, I had an affair with a co-worker. She was in a different city, and we only saw each other when business required travel to the same locations. I thought this would be sufficient distance to keep things "emotionally safe". It didn't and this resulted in a huge emotional strain ... both for me and the person I was having an affair with. It almost seemed inevitable that emotions became involved attraction and lust became affection and what ... love(?). There was always the possibility that it could be more ... that it could become a "real" relationship, and that caused huge problems. Although my SO never found out (although that too was a close call), the guilt I felt nearly tore my relationship with her apart. I vowed I would not do that again. Now, in terms of seeing SPs, I do not feel guilty, and it allows me to keep my relationship with my SO healthy and intact. That's not to say that I don't feel anything for the SPs I see. Of course I do. I hold them in the utmost respect, I genuinely like and admire them, and I consider the very best of them to be my friends. I tend not to see a lot of SPs, and frequently go through long periods of time seeing only one. But the difference is that we are both very clear on the parameters of the relationship and its purpose. Affairs carry with them the possibility of a world of hurt. Seeing your favorite SP, only a world of pleasure! Porthos

I think there's a bit of a flaw in your reasoning, and that revolves around your initial commitment to a spouse or partner. If I remember when I married I promised to love, honour and obey. So I would suggest that the first act of cheating is taken quite deliberately, and can't be viewed as a remedy for our failure to hounor our commitment. Most of the time it's down to a failure to put in the hard work into maintaining a health relationship. I also think that most women intuitively know when their partner is unfaithful, but are pragmatic enough to look the other way. When you are caught I think you have to man up and accept the consequences head on, and, maybe you can reconcile. But at the end of the day, I don't think you can blame it on a cultural bias that guys cheat or that it was your way of sparing your wife of having to perform, and so felt you had to go else where. Yes, back in the day when I was married I did occasionally step out. I believe my wife had a feeling about it because she at one point told me in no uncertain terms what would happen if I was ever caught. I took the risk now and then, but was very careful. I know how devastating it would have been if I had been discovered, and have a number of regrets about how I acted. Today as a widower I am much more at ease with this life style, and am probably a lot less likely to commit to another partner because I would have to abandon this hobby.

I'd probably have to say that my guilty pleasure is cheesy movies. Not just movies like top gun, weekend at bernies, or any arnie movie really, but also movies like troll 2 that are so bad at points that you literally can't stop laughing.