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Or, Better yet... I moved the discussion to the general discussion area. No one should feel that they need to charge less in a specific city - lots of touring ladies visit Winnipeg and do not lower rates for that city. If the price is too high that no one books the lady will either move on to a different city or adjust prices if she feels comfortable doing so. Some of the comments are absurd and I am shocked this thread has stayed this civil. I am not a SP and I find some of the comments just frustrating to say the least. Please make sure this stays civil, it is a good discussion topic but can easily evoke great emotions but it is important ... so any comment that is frustrating you or that you do not agree with my advise is to educate the person making the comment instead of fighting and letting emotion take over... be sure to calmly educate them as to why the comment is not correct or absurd. Common sense says that if a lady is not making her financial goals she will adjust her price. If her price is so low that she can not handle the level of calls she is getting then she is priced too low, if she is not getting enough calls she may be priced too high and I am sure she will adjust within her comfort zone. Just because one person can not afford those rates does not mean others can not and will not. I am a car guy, I can't afford a Ferrari but maybe a lexus or a benz is in my budget. The ride in the lexus or the benz is really nice (much more comfortable then the ferrari and a lot more luxuries) but hell I would still like to own the Ferrari... but I would settle with the fantasy for now or maybe rent one on day to drive it just once (and save for that special day). Know what I mean? For the last 8 years I have driven a beat up old explorer but its reliable, does not cost much as it was paid off years ago and it gets the job done. On special occasions (weather permitting) I pull the 57 Chev Bel air out of the garage and turn some heads and have some fun at 10MPG!! We all live WITHIN our means or we work harder to achieve our goals and dreams! Someone will ALWAYS buy the Ferrari (if not they would stop making them!) am I mad cause I can't afford one right now? Nope... but it makes me work hard cause I would like to one day!

I don't have many restrictions but I am very clear on the ones I have in place. If one toe goes over the line the date is over. Over stepping my few boundaries are a clear indication we are not right for each other so I would never feel bad ending a date very abruptly if I felt violated in any way. I respect every guest I have and feel very just in expecting the same in return.

Like i said there is many outfits you can wear that are really sexy without being extrarevealing... Not only that as some other girls mention pretty proffesional make up, without over doing..., hair placed nicely... And like capital hunter said, a little preparation n taking time to look good for your date not a lot to ask! :-) same as if we were going out to a party, after all you are our special friends xo

I think we will have to disagree a bit here. It is my opinion that a sensual massage should already include things like being enthusiastic, caring and sensual, or slower paced, and friendly etc. So using a term like GFE would not or should not indicate only that aspect because it seems to me that it is something 'extra' in FS sessions, so why not in MA sessions. Here, I think most agree that if someone advertises a GFE massage session, it is because it includes everything in a GFE sp/FS session, but not the FS part. It is ideal for someone who can't for some reason perform intercourse, but still wants everything else. Like FS GFE, it is interpreted as at least kissing, and usually daty and the option of a bj (covered or not). I wouldn't even say that it includes body slide activity, because that would also be something that a sensual massage provider would include. You can still have the clear distinction between MA and SP, but I do think the term for GFE (I do agree it is over used) can be used with massage to indicate the standards of GFE that have always been associated with it: kissing, daty, bj.

I'm a maelstrom?

I dunno tights jeans with high heels...--stare at bum-- is pretty feminine to me

Although I agree with you I wonder why the term GFE needs to be used and given various and multiple different definitions that best suit the person(s) using it... Wouldn't it easier to describe the experience offered by the MA instead of using the term GFE and as a result, eliminate most of the confusion surrounding it?

I hope that that fellows here are not believing they are being fed false info when a "GFE Massage" is advertised. I for one fully know the difference between between the expectations I should have and the service I will receive from an SP and an MA. If some guys are getting DATY and Rimming from Mas...good for them Like Pistol Pete (above) I like both, in different ways, and quite honestly my favourite "GFE MA" (Jessica) can make me feel the "experience" of her being my girlfriend in our time together even more intensely then an SP can, so I as a client do not really get bogged down in the defining of a GFE massage. I do expect some form of kissing will happen, but that is the only thing I expect...true enough, I enjoy some other things from different Mas that are ymmv. I know that this post doesn't help the OP with his query, other than to suggest it's not something to get hung up on...If it feels good with the ma you are with..do it...again, and again, and.... What it boils down to me for me is that nobody can actually make me feel any way...I am the only one that can make me feel, from within, the way I do. The MA in this case is the stimulus for that feeling....and it feels good!

ugh....its annoying enough that some guys think we think of them for their wallets....its even more hurtful to think that some guys will just define a lady by "money well spent" or not....and not as a person. Sorry your customer didnt get the hint...No means no. no matter what dollar-sign is attached. :(

I'm not technically savvy enough yet to break down quotes into sentences so will answer what I can personally in my summary to BownchickaBown. :) I do agree that there has been an onslaught of ladies which I assume are new to the business advertising GFE. In this past year I have had many inquiries from new clients that don't know what to expect and have asked for services beyond a sensual massage. I clear this up immediately. I believe I am a GF experience. I've been in this business for 3 years now as an independent that is unique and caring. Many of my clients date back this far with me and there's a closeness that fulfills us both. As far as what the other MA's I work with are doing does not apply to me as I don't work for a spa and only know a few other independents. I don't pay attention to what they are doing as it not my concern. As far as terms go and to define myself, I'm a masseuse, conversationalist, discreet confidant and companion. Most of my sessions are longer in length so I can get to know my guest and be able to offer something on an emotional basis rather than a slam bam, thank you, get out now your time is over, hj. :) I communicate with my clients even when not booking a session and always look forward to their company as much as they do mine. That in my opinion of GFE and unless you know how I conduct myself, it's difficult to summarize what I'm putting forward or the other ladies that have made good points in this thread. Many times I enjoy a glass of wine, with strawberries and cheese for a refined encounter. With other guests I have eaten pizza out of the box and drink beer from the bottle in my pajama's while laughing about life's silliness. If that's not a GF experience, I rest my case. PistolPete added a good comment to ask first so you know what to expect. <ran out of rep points>. I know I do things that way from the other side. We are all unique and undefined. :)

I find this thread very interesting, and excellent valid points especially the use of "GFE" included in advertisements with MA's. For myself, I basically " get to the chase " with MA's through a pm to find out exactly what they mean by identifying themselves as GFE, and you will always get a accurate answer. I believe I have that right to ask that question before dropping door fees (possibly)and of course the other fees, I don't like be to thought as a time waster in this case,because of the term used by many MA's "GFE" but merely ensuring my "investment" pays me back dividends, In what I might be looking for in a session . I think that is fair from my perspective and being a client of many SPs and MA's and should never be labeled a time waster. I enjoy the intimacy at times with an MA while having that shower together,touching,caressing and of course the massage itself it is a very nice change for myself from perhaps seeing an SP. After all us gentlemen do enjoy that GFE intimacy at times with an MA as well.

I believe the OP posting their Question in the first place clearly answers that, along with some of the opinions given here indifferent of the facts (and indifferent to responding to the valid points in my 1st post), and the fact any MA would feel the need to use a long-standing and commonly known industry-wide Internet-filled Escort term to 'differentiate' themselves. In other words: No - it is Not. This appears all 'new' to MAs. Evidently, Erin. Personally, I find black and white lines much more flattering in my advertising :) Thus the very common use of the term GFE specifically by SPs to define said different 'tyoe of service'. This is clear. What's now not clear is why MAs would feel the need to use a long-standing Escorting Naming Standard originated by Escorts in the Escort Business which has always defined a type of Escorting Service - to try and describe their non-Escorting type of Services as, of course, MAs are not SPs, but rather MAs - and don't want the 2 to be confused? ...while obviously creating this 'grey' area (As Sensual Erin commented on above) which never existed before and seems to want to be perpetuated to whatever end... Exactly, and when a lady does GFE she is a SP as per the services of which a GFE has always been defined as for which SPs thought up of and created the term GFE for in to be different from MAs in the first place - and if one offers masseuse services - then she is a MA. (As PassionVitto commented on above.) Therefore, imho, otherwise, unnecessary market confusion is created by some MAs (or anyone else for that matter) - in otherwise mis-using said Escort terminology. ...and blanketly including all MAs into this 'new change' and 'grey zone' which has now confused the market, possibly disrupting business as usual? Should? Then are all 'non-GFE massages' (if I may create that term (TM pending :P )) - interpreted as always being a mechanical encounter within a non-sensual setting by all other MAs? Such as with yourself not advertising a GFE massage? ...and the other MAs you work with? If that was the case - then I am left to wonder why CERB did not create a commercial spa and paid ads forum rather than the separate SP and MA forums which now exist? Yes - agree 100%! We need clarity of current market confusion created by the MA 'grey zone' in using Escorting terminology in advertising before other MAs inadvertently fall into this. [CERB Rocks!] If I may ask - where did you 1st see the Escorting term GFE used for the MA business? Here on CERB? ...and do All of your ladies whom advertise 'GFE Massage' kiss and hug and all those whom don't advertise 'GFE massage' don't kiss and hug? Sounds like you describing a 'GF Massage' (see my previous post) - not a GFE (Escort) Massage - which has already been defined by Escorts for Escorting so as not too cause market confusion - such as this. Thanks in Advance Angie for your clarification about GFE Massage Services and your MAs :) I'm waiting to understand how all this works before I see any MAs. Where have you seen this before - got a link? What you describe above seems par for the course with all the SPs I have ever seen. This is not common for MAs? (Sidebar - If I may ask: What do you mean by 'not necessarily' - it's 'possible' with you/other MAs ?) Yes. Yes I can, and Yes I have! Simple philosophy in life I carry (since nearly dying various times) - always make love like its my last time. That is: Passionately ;) I expect someone with a sexy nick like yours to appreciate this :) Correct me if I am wrong... Part of the business is perpetual clarification (and minimization?) of said misunderstandings, and prevention and remediation of any 'grey zones' created therein - especially when and where known to happen? (...for the better of the industry as a hole - rather than the now opposite effect it appears to be having?) Easily: With clear advertising toward the respective targeted markets, which, albeit can be crossed - doesn't necessarily mean everyone is. I would assume both SPs and MAs care about their clients, as much as I, as a client (which I only speak of as myself and noth other hobbyists), are looking to see whom is a MA and whom is a SP, and their respective services for which specific industry targeted terminology (such as GFE for and by Escorts) is created in making advertising clear - for me to find what I am looking for (including caring). ...or were you being rhetorical with that Q? Hobbying is not a speculative industry, per se (nor, imho, does it or should it be), and menus are industry standard in order to display a SPs passions (vs. un-passionate 'restrictions'; as I would assume; if no need - why even have CERB? --bites tongue--) - thus the use of clear terms by SPs such as GFE & PSE - whereby it's not 'roulette' toward whether I, as a client, luck out and find a SP I like when looking for a SP, or finding a MA I like when looking for a MA. Seems like quite a gamble with high potential for many continued disappointments (wasted time and money and clients .. and industry? (if left unabated?)) when not necessary - as SPs and MAs can (and do) easily provide clear communications and simply use already established common terminology for each respective industry. (ex: the great websites some ladies have - you know who you are! ;) ) Otherwise - YMMV Greatly! ...and not in a good way. :sad: Yes! Thus, again, the need for clarification as to why MAs all of a sudden feel the need to now start using SPs terms to describe services which they do not provide as a industry standard (which already uniquely defines the differences between a lady choosing to be a SP or MA or otherwise). 'Homework' can be made easy with clear and proper use of industry terms, as previously commonly applied respective to MAs and SPs without causing any 'grey zones' on this 'GFE (but not GFE services) Massage' thingie. Believe you me, I have done heaps of 'homework' over the decades. Looking forward to your clarification (and anyone else from the business/hobby) towards MAs now feeling the need to start using SP terms to (apparently) differentiate themselves amongst MAs while not actually providing the advertised SP GFE Services for which GFE was, and is, created for :) ...rather than use already common MA terms, or even as I suggest - a 'GF Massage' (which seems fitting based on your description of services, rather than now create this grey zone of market confusion in trying to use the GFE term to describe, as made clear - non-SP services). Otherwise - use at own risk I guess? :S Unfortunately. Grey zones in hobby advertising makes me un-horny! :( Anyone else? Cheers! :) -------- I respectfully do not concur. 'GFE' is GFE as defined by Escorts and 'enjoy(ing) your girlfriend' is enjoying your girlfriend, as defined by you and your girlfriend. Seem like you are mixing apples and oranges. I have never had a 'one-dimensional' SP GFE ...and I don't ever expect to ;) Hopefully you and no one else ever does.

I agree with the term "GFE" and being misleading where MAs are concerned. When I hear the term "GFE", I think of escort services and a friendly attitude INCLUDING more intimate services ( DFK, DATY) that are appropriate to the term itself. So if this term is being used in the MA world, it can definitely cause confusion and MAs may feel pressured by some NOT all clients to perform extra services that only an SP would provide because once word gets out, then the expectations can be falsely set to a point where the majority of MAs would not be willing to offer SP type services. IMO, I think the word "sensual" not GFE would completely sum up the type of service an MA is willing to offer that is not cold and Mechanical. The same with the term "PSE" used in massage advertising. "Erotic" seems to be an equivalent type of word for PSE. We have to remember that GFE and PSE are experiences and actions, not just attitude and often the lines gets blurred as to what is and isn't being offered in a massage session.

Thank you everyone!!!! And yes... I plan to keep em coming for sure !!!!! :boobies: xoxoxo

You a good point there but u said it "It should......," unfortunately nit all MAs feel the same way! Not all understand the concept of sensuality or not everyone would do bodyslides... I advertise as a GFE masseuse because i go that extra mile to make it a more enjoyable massage experience without being a FS session, or providing any other services such as daty or bj! I do offer GFE massage because while I massage i try to get to know the person i m with, to make it a unique experience, an experience that would make you feel you have known me for sometime now (even if it is our first time) experience a time where the gentleman and myself are together letting the sensuality and erotism take place, built intense moments that not necesarily mean we would end up having intercourse... Having sex of any kind (oral, vaginal, anal or what ever) does not mean fulfillment at all times!!! Or can you really tell me that everytime you have had sex you have been fulfilled?? I dont think so...

I'm a fe-male... which is like a male, only a lot stronger (due to the iron component).

Sorry - but I find the use of 'GFE Massage' very misleading and very inaccurate. 'GFE' is an Escort Term created by Escorts for Escorting - which begets Oral (DATY, DATO and/or CBJ/BBBJ) and/or FS. So to try and 're-define' the term and try to lure in Escort Hobbyists to get massages is, in my humble opinion, unfortunate and a major turn off for me. I don't tell people I shovel snow for a living and then show up to mow the lawn :S I've never, NEVER, met a guy whom either did, or was looking, for a GF just to have massages with - and never have sex. :S NEVER. Makes no sense. This is 1/2 the reason why the MA/MPs now have there own Area - so as Not to keep misleading Hobbyists (intentionally or mistakenly). Wasting time asking Questions to a MA in the SP section whom doesn't say she is a MA until after several emails. Lame. So un-attractive. Maybe it's a 'GF Massage' some ladies offer, but as per the definition of GFE - it's way more than just a massage. This is even clearly outlined here in this Thread - real GFE services Not included in so-called 'GFE Massages'. (Yeah, and you having snow on the lawn while I mow is Your mis-interpretation or my services right? Not mine?? ...as I now re-define snow as grass? :S ) GFE = girlfriend experience. Typically BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1311&highlight=acronyms A call girl advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides deep french kissing (DFK), "full service" (intercourse) usually with protection, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection. Advertising a "girlfriend experience" is sometimes used by call girls to promote business. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience Like the others said, GFE=Girlfriend experience. In some situations, it also means that the prostitute/escort is willing to perform some services without condoms, akabarebacked, usually blowjobs(BBBJ). http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gfe There's even a movie called The Girlfriend Experience (with Sasha Grey - & FYI: She's No Masseuse! ;) ) Anyone got links showing where GFE has changed it's definition to Not included Oral/FS - and now has 2 meanings - 1 for MAs and 1 for SPs?? I look forward to seeing where this has changed, as I enjoy keeping up with the times :) Food for thought! ;) PS: Great Question Ironsman1 - Clarity over services is what CERB is all about :)

It's may seem strange, considering the OP's post, but I've been considering raising my rates for a while. Originally, when I started and wrote my business plan, I wanted to set a rate that had sustainability. I didn't want to be lowering it for specials and raising it when things were slow. Also, I wanted to offer an affordable price and real value for the money. I didn't want to seperate myself as 'elite', but instead I thought that by keeping my rates extremely affordable, it would allow all types of gentlmen to enjoy my wares, not only the rich. As I've mentioned before, I go to a lot of trouble when I have a client. The preparation involved in a BDSM session takes even more time. But I am always in the moment with my clients and consistently provide the very best service that I am humanly able to. I feel my clients deserve that for their hard-earned money. Additionally, I realized from the very beginning that this particular profession is all about customer service, and I continually ensure that the encounter I provide is exactly what the client wants, within my own parameters of course. And then I get to see women coming out of the woodwork, offering themselves as 'experienced' and they're only 21, or the best, hottest, tightest etc. in the city. Yet no reviews or good ones. People home in other parts of the residence, stinky or unkempt homes, 'call-it-in' service, no LFK, no DATY yet they claim to be GFE, little to no conversational skills, dirty linens, unwashed between appointments etc. And they're charging a lot more than I do, for a hell of a lot less! It's infuriating and the popularity of some of these women makes me feel like I'm undercutting myself for the service I provide. Just something I've been struggling with for a while. :)

To the wonderful men of PEI I understand the hobbyists of CERB use the pm system to share both positive and negative experiences regarding an SP which I fully believe that it is a vital need when choosing a provider and deciding where your hard earned money goes. My issue with this though is when you start discussing the details of an encounter that are shared between the provider and the hobbyist. Sometimes with a client who I feel comfortable with I sometimes provide services that I would not noramally share with someone I have just met or even if I have met them several times I still may not offer this service for whatever reason I choose I have the right to do so. I am unsure of who it is but there is only a select few of who it could be but I am very hurt and disappointed after an encounter I had here tonight. There is obviously some messages being exchanged back and forth between new hobbyists and regular ones, discussing the events of our date and telling the new hobbyists about things that had gone on during our session. This service is NOT Listed on my website nor have I ever advertised that I would provide this, but tonight I had a first time client attempt to do something that I was definitely not comfortable with. At first I played it cute and told him no I don't do this because sometimes men are not aware in what you are comfortable with - although it would've been nice for him to ask first. He continued to do so over and over until I firmly said NO. In my mind the date was ruined but I was willing to give it one more try and yet again an attempt was made. I stood up and said firmly the date is over and I'm asking you to leave. Only than did he realise how serious I was about how uncomfortable I was and how apologetic he was only than. This man was a lot bigger than I and during this time I felt extremely uncomfortable about the situation on what would happen with me not wanting to partake in this and he did not continue to try anything else after this thankfully. After he had left he had sent me a message apologizing for not listening and I explained to him why you should always listen when a lady does not want you to do something you stop immediately. The response I received was this : ''Maybe if you told me the first time that if I kept going I would lose my money I would've stopped immediately. I lost out big time'' What that told me was he wasn't sorry that I felt scared, and uncomfortable or that my boundaries were crossed. What that told me was that he was sorry he just lost out on his money and that the only person he felt sorry for was himself. I can't make you fellas do anything - but hopefully in reading this, you can see the result in what happens when you divulge too many personal details regarding a private encounter. Although your intentions may be well, each and every encounter is different the same as no two people are alike. For my own personal take on things, If you wish to discuss me to other members please keep the intimate details private and only discuss the quality of the encounter and your opinion on the experience. Thank you

Just noticed that Vanessa Vale recently surpassed the 1,000 post mark. Way to go! Keep 'em cumming.

Absolutely hate........holding the door open for someone and they have no sense or too ignorant to say thank you......grrrrrrrrrr Makes me just wanna smack them in the back of the head...haha

That's quite thorough, and seems like a lot of work. Doesn't it get exhausting?

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Good point. This is a national board and the posts can be seen and commented on by everyone. If Winnipegers want exclusivity then maybe create a social group that is private But any public forum on CERB is open for discussion by all cerbites RG

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I don't do HH calls with a lady. For me, simply not enough time to enjoy the moment. I always find it a better experience, when it is mutually enjoyable for both parties. A half hour does not permit this, plain and simple. E.

To me the main difference is that in a hh you don't have much time other than to get the act over with. Not much time to chat, you can't spend too long exploring the ladies body, and extremely hard to make a strong connection. I have had 2-3 hh sessions, but almost always an hour. I find that the perfect amount of time to have a great encounter and be able to both been fully satisfied and satisfy the lady too.

A GFE MA in my opinion is a type of service an MA offers that is similiar to that of the gentleman spending time with his girlfriend. For example the MA is comfortable kissing & hugging.

If I may add further to the term "GFE" in advertising. I'm of the opinion as well that the term has been saturated. However, to mislead a client to think otherwise is wrong. I don't think the massage area was separated from the SP area because of these advertisers claiming to be a GFE and with intentions to deceive. To put that thought out there is unfair to the providers that are honest and would not like being put in the same basket., I'm under the impression that with the commercial spa's and now paid advertising, it made it more simplified to separate the two areas. I do not personally advertise a GFE massage, but the term is fair in regards to the provider being enthusiastic, caring and sensual. I think of the term in that way and as non mechanical. To define anything always has a grey area whether within an MA or SP encounter.

Thanks to everyone for the advice and suggestions. I have decided to stay independent, and offer sessions from my in call of an hour and over. The only changes I will have to make are the shorter ones to keep my numbers low. This board is great for the support everyone shows towards each other and has helped me come to a decision. I very much appreciate it. Cheers!

Note to fellow "hobbyists": [--]SPs are not love dolls. They are human beings. [--]You may be horny. That isn't the same as stupid. [--]Don't be a jerk. Aubrey, sorry to hear that you had an experience like this. I hope that your sharing it will remind everybody else here that you and other SPs are exchanging a sort of intimacy for money; you're not renting out your body and soul for someone else to use as they see fit.

Ill say this... Nothing in life is guaranteed....you live and learn but to generalize that you get more bang for your buck at a certain price tag you are dead wrong. People get burnt, because they treat an intimate encounter like fast food. If you took the time to pre-book, exchange a few emails and establish a mental connection before your encounter - your date would not be a disappointment. If I do not establish any form of mental connection during an email exchange with a potential client, I cancel the date. At the end of the day, don't rush something that needs time to be amazing. Yes I get people are busy, but attempting to book me on no notice shows no respect and I will decline the date. I take a risk letting random strangers into my space, no way in hell am I letting someone disrespect me by not adhering to my policies. where one advertises has nothing to do with quality of service, I have ads on BP, other boards and EC, does that make me not worth the dollar i command because of where I have ads? Bring on the competition, I have not raised or lowered my donations in 2 years. Clearly the market supports it, and I encourage others to not sell themselves short when it comes to donations they deserve. Prices are no way even close to what they were 5 years ago, before i left the Biz I charged $450/hr in the day and $600 at night and it was never questioned or insulted. What you don't understand is there is quality out there, but one needs to research and take time to find it. Maybe you can only afford $200 or maybe even $250, don't slag anyone off for commanding more. Save up, take your time and enjoy the encounter. Or stick with what you can afford and stop bitching that donations are too high.

It was inevitable...sooner or later I would need to try this odd food. My neighbor gave me a fresh turducken yesterday. Not sure why but she did. As opposed to throwing it in the freezer, I decided to cook it today. Smells like thanksgiving!

Being able to assemble Ikea furniture by myself.

While there are many providers who advertise a GFE - whether massage or full service - the only sessions I can honestly say I ever remember as such are the ones with characteristics as described above. There is something immersive and emotive about the best of these sessions. Leaving them, I feel fulfilled, but also lightheaded and dreamy, as though I was under a spell of some sort.

Although this thread goes back to 2010 Emily Rushton is a touring lady who I believe still goes to St. John's. And I agree 110 percent with Scott, she is a lady well worth spending time with. Every time I see her, well the visits get better and better, and the encounters aren't just memorable, they are wonderful memories too RG

This, entirely. :)

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Nothing wrong with kissing like that as long as it's a clean mouth. I tend to occasionally nibble and/or suck on the bottom lip during kissing. I love kissing and have been told I'm quite good at it. Posted via Mobile Device

also on the same note I have seen guys flash a wad of cash to buy drinks and think that buying a girl drinks etc is all that matters and then leaqve without so much as buying a dance.....money doesnt equal kisses...and drinks certainly don't pay my rent. think of how you would act of you wanted to send snog-signals to a girl you were out on a date with...be polite..make some nice (not creepy) eye contact...genuinely listen...compliment her on her body while shes dancing for you (a big confidence booster for us) Sometimes guys just stare forward and I wanna say "are you there??". it sounds like hogwash but a guy's perspective on passion and a girl's perspective on passion sometimes are two different things and perhaps if a lady is putty in your hands the heat could get turned up a notch in your favor. but then again...what do i know? lol...j/k

There are lots of different reasons why married people hobby. Everyone's story is different. For some, they may hobby because they are profoundly unhappy in their relationship. For many of us, however, that may not be the case. I've been married for nearly 25 years (to the same woman even) and i love her very much. We have kids, and a mutually satisfying relationship that is supportive and very close. However, that relationship no longer involves sex. That is o.k.for her, but not for me. I have no desire to leave her, but have discovered that hobbying provides a wonderful way to find physical intimacy with some wonderful women and preserve my marriage. she would be devastated if she found out, so I am very careful. I've often wondered why, given we are all participating in a hobby that many in society don't condone, that there often is a bit of a judgmental tone expressed by single hobbyists towards those that are married. This hardly seems the place for those sorts of judgements. Porthos

I think the first thing you need to do is take stock of your life, your marriage or relationship, your work, your unfulfilled longings and desires. What is it that you really, really want? Are you absolutely certain that you can't get it at home? Is it that time has gone by and you think it's too late to turn up the heat or add a little spice? Are you ashamed or embarrassed to want whatever it is that's ruling your fantasies--so much so that you can't face the prospect of telling your partner but you can discuss it with a stranger who you can be pretty sure will be receptive or, at least, not judge you? What about your emotional life? This is the tricky thing! If you're feeling that you miss romance, heated intimacy, the chance to share something secret, passionate and beautiful, something that you will always remember in a hazy, golden sort of way... If what you really want is to fall in love, however temporarily or even frequently, you need to sit down and work through things very carefully. If you're wanting a way to relieve a bit of stress, engage in some kind of kinky play or fulfill a fantasy, that's great. We can do that. But if you're feeling emotionally unfulfilled, you're setting yourself, your partner and possibly your paid companion up for a lot of grief. The companion will probably send you packing in fairly short order, if she's smart. You and your family will have a lot to sort through and it won't be pretty. In other words: work on your relationship or get out of it as cleanly as possible before you start to play because you will definitely get caught. Your boundaries won't be firm, you won't think straight, you will make assumptions about yourself, your partner and your companion that no reasonable person would make. You may imagine that you can get away with it but, trust me, that's your first self-deception. However, if you want something that's simply fun, no-strings-attached, valuable, but not a replacement for any of the key life needs that everyone has, then you must be very, very careful about everything you do. Elizabeth pointed out the importance of thinking of your partner as THE most perceptive woman in the world. Elizabeth is wise: listen to her. Women always know their partners better than anyone else does and just about always better than the men themselves. We're wired that way. I always know a great deal more about my clients than they're aware of. Always. The ones who are too obsessed with keeping details to themselves and revealing nothing at all are, in my books, unsafe potential clients. Fortunately, these are rare. Most men trip up all over the place. If they're having trouble lying to me, it's pretty much a sure thing that the women who know them well aren't fooled unless they want to be. A couple of my finest regular clients were up-front with me from the outset. They told me who they were, where they worked, what they do, etc. and expected me to help them keep everything private. We've gotten along nicely for several years, perhaps because they didn't have to juggle too many lies and deceptions.

I happen to have a very special client who enjoys some bush and so these days I am in the "growing" stage - where you can see it but shave where it counts! It's sort of like party in the front, business in the middle! :icon_wink: