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I understand you questioning this but providers are not about to discuss their management of these situations in a public forum as it simply gives a client with this intention insight into how to circumvent our safety measures. I gently suggest you find a good agency, learn the ropes, earn your stripes and if you go indie and still have questions you will be granted access to the private area where our important issues are discussed. This game is sold, not told. Let the people making the money off the phones teach you. It's their job... cat

Advertising is NOT soliciting! Soliciting involves disturbing someone, interrupting their time, taking their attention to offer them an opportunity for an encounter. It is illegal for me to approach someone else in a public place and invite them to pay me for sex. Soliciting on the streets ostensibly prevents the normal flow of traffic when sex workers approach cars at stop signs and traffic lights or when they accost people walking on the sidewalk. Soliciting in other places, such as a hotel bar or lobby, is when the sex worker approaches a patron of the establishment to offer sexual services for money. Soliciting in print is an entirely different matter. This was settled in the 1980s when police laid a series of charges against a Vancouver newspaper that accepted ads from escorts. The court ruled that advertising was not soliciting because no one forced anyone to read the ads. Reading is voluntary in the way that having to deal with someone who comes up to you on the street is not. Anyone who reads escort ads knows or should know what they're reading and they make their choices accordingly. The internet is publicly accessible but is not a public place. No one is forced to go to my website, read the content or make an active decision about whether they want to meet me. I'm easy to find if someone is looking for me or a woman like me who makes available the things that I offer. In the US, some states and cities have tried to re-define or regulate what happens on the Internet in relation to prostitution but, so far, have failed. It is impossible to prevent users from accessing content outside of a city's or state's boundaries. While an ISP can decide not to carry content from other places, they must also face the dilemma of finding or keeping users who are content to have the access restricted in addition to having their actions called into question in relation to free speech rights. Not everything that's available on the Internet is legal. It is illegal in most jurisdictions to look at pornography involving children, for example. It is legal to look at porn involving adults. The courts have so far ruled that cell phone conversations are private. One cannot ordinarily overhear both sides of a call. In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to use electronic devices to listen to cell conversations just as only the police can tap a land-based telephone line and usually have to get a court order allowing them to invade someone's privacy when they do it. If I meet someone at a hotel, at his invitation or mine, we will not discuss what is going to happen before we enter the private room because such a conversation is illegal. On that principle, it would be extremely foolish for me to make a call on or answer my cell phone if I'm in a public place and then engage in a detailed conversation about what I might offer. Many escorts use polite or indirect language when it comes to describing explicitly what we offer. Many of us may say that we are only offering companionship, not sex, and some of us may imagine that this covers us in the event that someone imagines we are soliciting. Many of us also require visitors to our websites to agree that they may be reading or viewing sexually explicit content before they access it. This is polite, but not necessary. It helps prevent people from clicking through the site by accident or when they're in a place, such as at work or in Starbucks, where viewing that content may be a bad idea. Personally, I'm not worried about soliciting. Making statements about offering my time at a certain rate is simply a way of telling prospective clients what I guarantee to provide, period. I will not guarantee to engage in intimate contact or sexual acts with someone I don't know. I may not feel comfortable with the individual for many reasons. I may not feel up to engaging in certain activities every time I see someone. I may be willing to do something with a trusted client that I will not do with a stranger. All I guarantee is to spend the amount of time promised. Of course, one difference between me and many women a prospective client may date is that the likelihood that I will engage in intimate activity with him in a private place is significantly higher. If he and I have had the opportunity to become fairly well-acquainted, it's virtually certain to happen.

On the lighter side... Ever been stood up for a date? It's something I think we all hate When you're early and not even late? And you're ready to just penetrate? You called and confirmed You had planned to lose sperm! So to hell with it, go masturbate!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2013/02/28/ottawa-ontario-today-gracie-award.html?cmp=rss CBC News Posted: Feb 28, 2013 3:53 PM ET Last Updated: Feb 28, 2013 4:20 PM ET Related Stories Ontario Today CBC's Ontario Today has won an award for a call-in show that offered listeners a chance to ask questions of a sex-trade worker and talk about how the sex trade has affected their lives The Alliance for Women in Media Foundation has given its 2013 Gracie Award for Outstanding Talk Show for the show, the third time since 2010 the program has won the honour in the North America-wide competition. The Gracie Awards honour programming created for women, by women, and about women. Produced by Margot Wright and hosted by Rita Celli, the special program offered listeners the chance to ask questions of a sex worker and to share personal stories of how the sex trade has touched their lives. The award was one of two earned by shows produced by CBC Ottawa. "Strings," a music documentary that focused on string musicians in Ottawa, won for best portrait/documentary. It was produced by CBC Ottawa's arts and entertainment unit as part of the series Absolutely Ottawa. The 38th Annual Gracie Awards will be presented on June 26 at the Hilton New York. [While I think this is super cool, they could have at least mentioned my name--they wouldn't have won the award without me]

A number of us here on cerb think you are actually a guy posing as a lady asking these questions, we have let you continue to see what becomes of this (your intentions).... Some members suspect you may be a guy we recently banned. Your writing style and wording choices scream "male"... We just want to be sure before we ban your account so we are basically letting you hang yourself here,

What's that saying? "...a time and a season for all things...". The depth of feeling you have about the companion you've lost is a perfect indicator of how fortunate you were for the experience in the first place, and to have had her company for the time that you did. That's one of those things in life; early on it keeps giving you new things and experiences, but over time you're forced to deal with the feelings when something, often completely out of our control, takes them away. It's always a hard transition, but I find that grief eventually gives way to that second sentiment of appreciation. And while it's common to feel like a lost partner was The One, that's not true... what you've really learned is that such experiences are possible for you, and while there's still time you should look for them again. Don't forget anything; that's never the point. Let your memories of what's possible motivate you into moving forward. I always hated it when people would make these kind of statements when I was in the midst of grief; it sounds so trite and almost like it's trying to trivialize the loss or the person I missed. But not so. Really it's just an assurance that you've had a wonderful human experience, and it's worth searching for again. You can absolutely recapture that feeling with someone new. But you need to put in some work to get there. That's one of life's great adventures. So you're Columbus and you discovered the Bahamas? Awesome! But now that's behind you, time for another voyage. Cuba and the Americas are waiting. I guess my only practical advice is: time. And to not stop trying with new people. And try not to let the shadow of your old experiences get in the way of appreciating the new ones while they're happening.

First be happy for her, that she is able to move on to the next stage in her life. Yes I'd miss her, but I would feel worse if she was continuing in this lifestyle when she really no longer wants to. Remember the good times and be happy she could retire. RG

Hey zxc456, I'll be very straight up with you. Based on the nature of your questions so far and my reading of responding posts (specificly reading between the lines) there is some question related to wheather you're legit in your intentions. That said I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and provide some advice. I am a newbie myself albeit on the client side however I believe that seeking out and asking questions of experienced, knowledgeable people with expertise is ALWAYS a good idea. So you are doing what you should definately do, seek answers. However, the venue for some questions (like some of the ones you've asked in this and another post) may not be appropriate in a public forum like this one (I have noted that very experienced, successful SP's with alot to offer a newbie have point blank told you this). So I would suggest that you read the boards and determine an SP who's thoughts and opinions you feel you respect and tend to mirror yours and privately contact this SP and ask if they would be willing to address some of your questions. I assure you that based on my personal experience that cerb is filled with wonderful, interesting KNOWLEDGEABLE people and you will find a generous person who will be more than happy to help you. (plus they may be more forthcomming in a private conversation). Personally, I had some concerns and questions as a client before contacting an SP so I privately contacted a very experienced and respected hobbiest here on cerb who thankfully offered advice and opinions that addressed my concerns. Being new I did not want to request advice or speak my mind in an open forum as I was aware that in my ignorance (lack of knowledge) I could inadvertantly offend someone with my questions. It turns out that it was a good idea because I asked a innocent but offencive question that quite frankly would have put me in the dog house here on cerb and was informed of my error (oops!). There is a wealth of knowledge and experience here on cerb related to not just this industry but many aspects of life in general. Use it, but don't abuse anyones good nature or pass judgement in any way. I have discovered that there are many different approaches to operating in this industry each with their own unique benefits and pitfalls and each SP had chosen their approach based on what works for her. It's definately not a one size fits all for either the SP's or the clients so with some guideance from those "in-the -know" you'll find what works for you. Good luck from Chuck

zxc456, pay careful heed to what Cat says. I would never work from a room in a motel because their security systems are negligible at best. My visitors and I deserve the far greater privacy and safety which are guaranteed in the finest hotels. As for blackmail, the men I entertain are not fools. I always know and have verified my guests' identities and they always know that their privacy is sacrosanct as long as I'm safe. In our shadowy world, we look out for each other and will go to great lengths to help one another be safe. No one keeps secrets as well as we do, provided that those who need secrecy are honest. But the questions you ask and the ways that you frame them are so unlike anything I've been asked by dozens of young women who were considering joining our profession that I'm finding it difficult to believe that you're one of them.

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out? My first repsonse would be : Go ahead...make my day ...I dare you to go and report me to the hotel, and while your at it-you can explain how it is that you know this....lol I would also keep his money, order him the eff out and then take his information and report it to the sp bad date section ;)

How often did you guys think with your small head before the big one? Here are some examples of situation as such. Hope you enjoy it, and share stories.

You have joined this board just this February, your 3 posts are inquiring about the business of an SP. Your questions are delicate ones, you seem to be wanting "how to go about things from a SPs point of view in the business" But are you really questioning yourself about doing this line of work? I've read your posts and you come across to be very apprehensive about it all. Perhaps with the line of questions you are asking, as Samantha Evans said as well " not every lady is cut out for this line of work" I'm sorry but I read a lot apprehension from yourself, it isn't just the legal aspect of the biz, it is the mental part as well, what happens if your friends find out? Your family? Are you suitable to give your heart and soul to gentlemen that walk through your door? Are you willing to make passionate love to a complete stranger? Or in some cases more than one stranger a day? There are so many other details other than the legal aspect ( which is of course very important) you should really give yourself a "gut check" and ask yourself can you do this line of work? My thoughts on that topic. To your question, I've seen 99% of ladies at their location, I've done 5 outcalls in my time. Real guys/gents don't play blackmailing games, it is called a screening process on the ladies part. Best of luck to you.

I don't think that constitutes a viable threat any longer. Law enforcement has really no interest as any applicable laws that would make what the lady is doing illegal have twice been declared a charter violation and they have no need to make it three times, added to this where is the evidence? While the blackmailer could attest to one visit that is all, the ladies location has to be used for that purpose more than once to be 'common'. The hotel appreciates the lady's business, she is their paying guest. So I don't think anyone would be interested in hearing what the 'rat' had to say :)

To all the guys who complain about screening practices.......people like this loon is why we do it :)

This is absolutely true. But some unwinnable wars are worth fighting anyway, and this is most certainly one of them. Victory will never be declared, but at least we can say we fought.

Further to Samantha's post, the solicitation laws really are addressing "public nuisance". It's important to remember that the client can be charged with solicitation in addition to the service provider. Women can find themselves being solicited by men while walking down the street in an area used for street prostitution. This can be embarrassing, uncomfortable or threatening depending upon the circumstances. This is one of the public behaviours that the solicitation laws are designed to address.

I'll have to answer a weaselly "it depends": on who you're talking to, when you happen to catch them, and what acts you're talking about. I don't rob banks because I perceive the harm it would do, and because I wouldn't want other people to rob me; so yeah, in that case it's my own convictions. But I'm certain there are some people who would love to rob banks, but stop only because they don't think they can get away with it. So for them, the same choice is one of simple fear and obedience. I had to think for a while to come up with anything I don't do only because the law forbids it. Best example I could come up with was the speed I drive on the highway; on the open road between here and Toronto I'll usually go just a hair under 120. I could go faster safely; but the fines start to get silly, and you can never really predict where the cops might be. So my behaviour in this case isn't completely governed by law, but it is curbed. That said, if I had some kind of emergency the equation would change and I'd go however fast I needed to. So yeah, for me it depends on what we're talking about. Related note: I've often thought that "you know people by the rules they break." Anyone can just follow all of the rules, and you could never tell if they were behaving that way because that's what they wanted to do, or because they were just obedient and restraining their underlying nature. But when someone breaks a rule (in this case law), they've made a clear decision and so you're more likely to be seeing the "real" them. Those actions provide more valuable insight into their character. (Though even here I can think of exceptions.) Maybe more topically: how many clients here would still be seeing SPs if they lived in the States and it was illegal? Would they see them as often? Would they post on CERB as freely...?

I have never heard of this kind of blackmail really. Usually blackmail is one of outing you with your ads. It is wise when you are starting out, not to show your face in pic's and hide tattoos or recognizable jewelry. I do not think the cops would be interested in such a thing, unless you are a minor, or involved with drugs, pimps or any other shady activities. Even in those cases(expect minors) usually the cops will take time to build a case. Dont think they would jump on hersay. I agree with Cat, perhaps starting off with an agency till you learn more about the biz is a good idea. If you want to do INDY, then really do your homework so that you can not so easily be manipulated into this kind of scenario. If you are screening your clients well, I do not for see clients wanting to get messed up with all of this. Being a new SP you may want your clients to provide references to ease your mind.

Looks like it's time for a refresher on the law, courtesy of Breaking Bad. According to this extraordinarily skinny would-be meth buyer, "if you ask a cop if he's a cop, he's, like, obligated to tell you. It's in the Constitution." [of America]. But make sure you ask it, like, official. Let's see how that works out for Badger. (I'll seize any opportunity to post a clip from the best tv show ever made!)

I need my head read to comment on this, but hell, somedays I just need help. Just to be clear I am not condoning the behaviour of the men, and I don't want to debate that point. First off the way I read the OP's message, was not so much to watch out they are busting pedo's, but that LE was using BP etc to run a sting. In this case they were after people paying for sex with someone under 18, but his final comment warns people to make sure that the person you are talking to is 18. I think the fear was that they are using escort ads as bait to catch people. The ads didn't say "16 Year old", that was only revealed in communications later. And yes, they should have walked away. In this case the sting was underage girls, but it could just as easily have been anything else considered illegal. Whether or not that is plausible is another matter, but I think he thought it was and was warning folks who use BP etc. He was a bit ham-fisted about it, but I don't think he was condoning seeing 16 year old escorts. The second issue is the age of consent debate. The age of consent in this country is 16. (it was only just raised from 14). That means, any personal moral issues aside, any person 16 years of age or older can have sex with anyone else regardless of the age. There are certain exceptions that all fall under the category of "exploitation". Despite peoples feelings on the issue, a 50 year old can sleep with a 16 year old legally, with no problems, provided the 50 year old does not hold a position of authority, is not using coercion, or does not pay them. That is the law plain and simple. Those acts are all listed as exploitation. So be aware that in this law the government classes "prostitution" as exploitation. I think there are many people on this board who would have issue with that if that generalization was applied to anyone over the age of 18. As for the luring. If these guys were meeting these girls in Justin Bieber fan-girl sites, or some other place, deliberately targetting them, then yeah I would say they were luring. But in this case they answered an ad, placed in an escort forum, where the advertisers are all supposed to be over 18. Their crime was too continue to talk after finding out the ad was allegedly for a 16 year old. Again, I don't condone the behaviour. I personally think the guys should have ran or reported the ad when it came out the "bait" was only 16 years old.

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Since I enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on Big Brother 14 and sharing my own, I figured that there should be a thread started for Big Brother Canada so we can all dive into the action together. My thoughts on last night's episode: 1. The production values were pretty high quality for a Canadian produced show. 2. I think the casting directors did a terrible job in finding people of diverse spectrums of society - they're all beautiful, sheltered and inexperienced people in their 20s and 30s which I find rather boring as they all tend to homogenize in one cookie-cutter like life story. 3. I'm almost certain one of the women is going to win it and my vote is on Jillian. 4. The very gay guy Gary is hilarious. Your thoughts?

Founded to bring awareness to and to help stop bullying. Do you think there has been progress? If not what more do you think can be done to stop it?

I certainly am very happy for her, and I wish her nothing but the best in her new life.

I have to wonder about all these beliefs people have about being blackmailed in this lifestyle. I've read guys' concerns over SPs using verification information to blackmail them (reporting them to their wife) and now a SP would risk being outted by a client/blackmailer to the police unless she does what the client/blackmailer says. Long and short of this, most of us, both ladies and gentlemen are not rich. We have bills to pay, rent/mortgage/car payments/raising kids etc etc etc. For the guys, this lifestyle is done on disposable income. And it may appear that based on hourly rates a lady charges, she should be rich. But she doesn't work a forty hour work week, she only gets paid for the hours she sees a client. Not to mention some of that money goes into running her business...it isn't 100% profit I'm only saying this because in reality clients/SP's for the most part aren't rolling in dough and cash cows for blackmailers...so why worry Second, if someone threatened to out you, tell them go ahead...you'll only be a victim of blackmail if you let a blackmailer blackmail you. If they see you won't let yourself be blackmailed, they lose all leverage RG

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I believe that "print" ads are still 100% legal in Canada, which is why you can find escort advertisements in local newspapers, CL etc.. I'm not completely clear as to the legislation that exists in the States, yet it is definitely more conservative. This is why government was able to shut down erotic ads being posted on CL in the US. P.S. I see nothing wrong with posting rates; Upscale agencies do it all the time.

Sorry, ran out of rep points to give. I agree, and I never complain about going through the screening procedures that a SP sets. Afterall, she is meeting a total stranger and she needs to take the necessary precautions.

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I think the story of the original/first pink shirt day is really lovely and powerful. For anyone who hasn't heard it, a boy went to his first day of high school in a pink shirt and was bullied and harassed because of it, so two older boys decided to buy a bunch of pink shirts and get a lot of people to wear them to school the next day in order to show solidarity with the boy. (More info here:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2007/09/18/pink-tshirts-students.html). I think it worked really well because it addressed a specific problem in a really positive way, and it made sense in the context of that situation. I love the idea of a bigger Pink Shirt Day, but the critic in me wonders how much impact these events actually have when they become a big thing. I definitely don't think they should stop, and I'm sure there are stories of how they've helped and made progress, which is great! But I do believe that we need to do that plus other things to get to a solution. I also think that bullying is sort of a catch-all word for things like racism and homophobia when that happens in high school. In order to create lasting change, there need to be conversations about why people are bullied along with conversations about how to stop it from happening.

I recently was given the pink shirt as a gift- its just a cotton big tee but its super sexy for what it stands for..... and men wearing it.....well you know the saying 'real men wear pink' I have to admit.... I sorta lived in mine for a week. AND NOT ONE person made fun of me for it....so....I say its working. lol. ;)

I like the Thank You icon. Sometimes a post deserves a nomination, sometimes a comment/rep point and sometimes a Thank You...or sometimes all three. It's another way to positively acknowledge a post/thread, and IMHO that's a good thing My morning rambling RG

That sucks! i did that one time to my laptop a few years ago when I was chatting with a friend and accidentally spilled a drink all over it. Luckily across the street from my condo there was an internet cafe. Check out BestBuy for laptops. I got a new netbook for $229 a few weeks ago. They have good prices.

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Most SP's are more than willing to sell undergarments both to visiting clients and via mail order. If you want them delivered or to pick them up you need to be prepared to pay at least a providers social time. Often I get requests and the man wants to spend $20 on the panties (they cost me more than that to replace) AND he wants me to deliver him and "meet" for a coffee with no other consideration. This offer is simply a waste of our time and will not be taken up. If the offer is realistic and financially viable you should have no problem finding a lady to indulge you... cat

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I am very much enjoying Victoria's upbeat personality on posts and her sense of humor as well. Damn sexy too :) Yup she is !

My very first experience was working in an agency. The madam told me "no matter what, do not discuss what you will do for the $". I wanted to make sure I didn't mess up, so I followed her lead. Well, the gent came to the door. We exchanged pleasantries and he gave me my donation. He asked me a number of questions like "is anyone making you do this, is this what you want to do?" etc. I was so new, I didn't understand why he was asking these questions. He then stood up and said he was leaving. I was confused and actually devistated. What did I do wrong. Am I not pretty enough? Am I too fat? All these thoughts are running thru my head as I am showing him to the door. I go back to let the owner know he has left and she can tell I am confused and upset. She then tells me that this is a guy from vice. They always come to check on new girls. Wants to make sure they are not underage, under pressure to work etc. She said, you passed with flying colours. She then said the "doug" would like to see me. He is a regular and has a passion for ripping pantyhose off, so get an extra pair. Off I go to the drug store to get another paid of pantyhose. He comes to see me, and everything is going well. However, the pantyhose I had were the control tops and he could not rip these things no matter how hard he tried. If I had worn the cheap ones, it would not have been a problem, but because I was wearing $10 quality ones, they would not rip. I learned from that experience that in this business, buying the expensive quality items is not always the best thing. I always have an extra set of pantyhose, thigh highs etc in my stash so I can accomodate these types of requests. I saw Doug a number of times after, and always had the cheap easy to rip pantyhose on hand for his pleasure. Meaghan

Jabba, it's not itchy when it grows back as long as your not wearing panties on your head.

Sometimes overplayed and maybe a tad cliche, but still and always will be a classic and the best rock n roll tune of all time! Stairway To Heaven - Zeppelin In particular from the 5:55 mark onwards gives me the most chills and goosebumps. Oh, and I want to fuck Robert Plant's brains out. Also, this will give you crazy goosebumps too... At a recent tribute to Zeppelin, Heart performed Stairway to Heaven.... A full choir and orchestra, Jason Bonham on drums... Plant and Page in the audience watching... (I'm pretty sure Robert Plant shed a few tears). Not to mention Ann Wilson's pipes, holy crap. Everything about it is perfect. It's incredible. (Oh, and Barack and Michelle are there, rockin out too! :D)