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Hi this is to all the SP's every where. with all the posts and polls that have been going on, i have read somethings that i have found to leave me feeling sad. things like sp's feeling they will lose there clients unless they perform a service they might not want to do, to hearing just how bad and not understanding some clients are with regards to condoms. I will not get into the muck of the business as i know people are trying to make a living but i would like to say one thing and that is this. The Sp's that i have been with i have always tried to make sure they know that i truly appreciate the time they have given to be with me and to treat them with as much respect as i can. and i want everyone to remember that every sp is a living being and should be treated like such. again this is not a post putting anyone down it is just a reminder and a way to get this off my chest. so to keep this short i as a MAN want to say sorry to any Sp who has been treated in a ungentlemanly way by a man. And as myself i want to say thank-you to every SP i have been with and to the ones i have not yet been with. And even thou it has been said before i will say it again. I can tell that all the SP's out there are strong and smart and know what they are doing just by reading their posts. you do not need anyone to tell you what services you should be giving. I can only imagine how tough it is in the business to add services you are not comfortable with doing, and to any SP anywhere with whatever you decide to do I truly wish from the bottom of my heart, all the best for a happy, safe, and long life. and that you only get the great clients that you all deserve. Will that is it i do not know if all this need to be said in a post but i think that even thou i am only one person i hope others can come together with me in giving strength to any SP who might be dealing with some of the issues that have been talked about lately. Have a great day all :)

Some may view the OP as an ass kisser....while some of us see him as a gentleman :)

Allow me, if you will, to make my final statement in regard to this and the other thread started. Everyone has their own private and public thoughts on the matter. Their opinions and the information that they offer may run in direct contradiction to what you may or may not believe. It's great that we can have a frank debate about this matter, but please... if you are going to counter an argument, counter the facts on the table rather than the person presenting them. There is absolutely no reason to conduct a personal attack against anyone in this open forum. It detracts from the central issue, diminishes an argument and demeans both the poster and the intended recipient. It serves no value in this or any other thread. We thrive as a community because we can discuss things here that we can't discuss in the vanilla world. CERB empowers us to conduct these discussions and for that we should all be grateful. The one thing, the tenet that this board was founded upon, was respectful dialogue. I encourage everyone to look up to the black bar at the top of the screen. Every time you post, take a look at that bar. If what you say doesn't conform with the words in that bar, erase them... and keep erasing them until you have the ability to communicate politely. ... if you do not have anything nice to say, please don't say anything at all. That's from the Gospel according to St. Mod 3:29

Agreed ....reminds me of this thread I started 4 yrs ago (wow! 4 years ago?? lol).... :D http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=12396&highlight=things+make+love+jobs

I like to extend a special thank-you to some SP's that are located in Ottawa,Montreal and Toronto for verifying/Okaying myself as a client through a site called P411. I travelled down to the USA,for some golf,vacation and some fun with ladies :) and in order to get a appointment with VIP providers in the USA there are numerous ways to get yourself screened and verified to make an appointment. I made the one that was quick and easy to use, and is used vastly by providers in the USA and some ladies here in Canada use the site as well, Preferred 411, or P411. I registered, it was painless, and membership for the 1st 6 months is free, than there is a small donation to keep your profile active,which I will do because you never know when I want to travel again :) When I completed my profile, the norm is to get "okay" by providers we as hobbiest have met before, luckily for myself the ladies from Ottawa,Toronto and Montreal helped myself out by giving myself the "okay" As a member and being "okay" gave myself that interaction with some of the most lovely ladies down state side, and without any issues, I was able to reserve myself two dates while down there, and were outcalls to my hotel room. So, I like to thank those ladies, very much that assisted me, and I am all for the screening method that ladies use down in USA,or in fact what ever screening methods used in Canada too, period! after all it is of paramount importance for both parties. It is safe easy to use and without any shadow of doubt I felt comfortable and never on edge about going down to play and vacation in USA. Again, thanks ladies you know exactly who you are, I greatly appreciate the fact that all of you of helped myself out, it was like getting highly recommended ;). Pete!

Firstly, Annessa is spot on with her statement and you did not address her concern. The fact that this is anonymous has nothing to do with it. The structure of your questions alone can be seen to influence the outcome of the poll. The fact it is anonymous makes it worse, as people with an agenda can try and influence the outcome. For example, are you sure only SP's answered? What if someone like an MA who does not offer or receive any kind of oral answered? Did you account for that in the poll? How about the fact that some SPs don't like giving a CBJ because they don't want to suck on a condom, or for other reasons? Why not ask about that? Based on the number of responses you have a very small sample size given the number of SPs on this board. It would not even be a good representative sample because you are not sure you have an accurate cross section to extrapolate the results. At best the poll could be classed as entertainment if people were not trying to interpret flawed results and use them to fuel a debate. What is scarier is that some people may be using those results and some of the other flawed and biased statements made on these threads to make a serious decision. People, do your own damn research, it is your health and your life. Don't go to Wikipedia or Ask.com or even Cosmo, check out as many primary sources as possible. The answers often vary, particularly as new research is done. Then make your own decision and stick with it. The other major issue is that there are many other practices that have as much risk, such as DATY, DATO, COF, kissing etc. Why aren't they being addressed? If I really wanted to stir the pot, why don't we put up a poll to see how many SPs do CBJ, but allow DATY or digits?

I'm only going to add a short two cents to this thread, I'm not taking part in the poll because I think its encouraging another statistic of "oh look, x amount of girls are offerring x service" and "only x are offering this" so the lower amount of girls who arent offering x service should catch up to those that are. potatoe, potatah-toe....lets live and let live. if you want a specific service, ask for it like a gentleman, if the lady doesnt offer it (and if thats a real deal breaker for you...tisk) then dont see her but getting us all to make a new statistic based on a poll about what the new Cerb.ca supposed "norm" is? Depending on the outcome, its not helping anyone (psst!..mainly us!) and...well....bah I'm not even gonna finish that cuz i think you know where I'm going with this....

Her new name is Celeste which in French stands for heavenly and so is Jessy............. I have had the pleasure of spending some very pleasant time with Jessy who used to be represented by PKE on several occasions in the past and that comes from a variety guy like me. I have absolutely no idea as why I don't have a recommendation post for her here!!!!!!!. My only guess is that I was not on cerb at those times. She made a special effort to come and see me outcall and every time she provided a total GFE service. Most cerbites know I am very picky when it comes to looks and I really think that Jessy is beautiful. Looks: Very feminine body. Pretty friendly face. Big blue eyes and soft pale skin. Very well (man) made boobs and a tall feminine body. Looks younger than her age of 28. Services: Very GFE in emotional sense. A great kisser (A true DFK), enjoys Daty and is responsive to it. I hear that recently she has become a safe GFE (CBJ) not that it matters to me as I am not into any bare service. But apparently she offers fetish (not that it matters to me). Attitude: A total GFE. You will be with your deeply in love GF (or at least feels like it). Smiling, very friendly, great kisser, very classy top notch young lady. As mentioned by Pete above she is now an independent advertising on cerb as Jessyceleste.

Wow! My BBFS thread and Peachys BBBJ one have really made everybody super sensitive! I guess we can't move on to "humour" just yet! Let me know when the minefield has been cleared ... I'll be the one in the Dog House! in the meantime ... Happy Easter everybody!

Well said ODL. I've always tried to make each experience a pleasure for both involved. And I hope most of the MAs I've been to see had as much enjoyment as I did.

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Like others in this thread I'm at a point where I'm most interested in the contents, not the packaging. My eye can still be drawn by a pretty face, nice curves, and clothes that are tasteful with a touch of sexy. But I've too often seen these things fail to deliver on their superficial promise, so I don't put much faith in them by themselves any more. I can appreciate them still, but they don't really stir me. The thing that really gets my attention is someone who's engaged, energetic, looks people in the eye with a smile, and who has bent but not broken in the face of life's inevitable setbacks. I find I'm really drawn to a woman who has a bit of poise, humour, playfulness, and a slight elusiveness -- a sense that there's always something more about her that's still unrevealed and which it's tremendously rewarding to keep working at. And for the long term, someone I have confidence can contribute actively to building something unique together.

On the topic of what "kind" of men pay for sex, this might be of interest to some, posted right here on CERB: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124755 "We believe that the generalizations that groups seeking the abolition of prostitution make about the attitudes, beliefs and behaviours of ALL people who pay for sexual services in Canada are based on moral convictions and speculation as opposed to actual evidence. In our ongoing effort to present a more complete and accurate picture of the diversity of attitudes, beliefs and experiences of people who have paid for sexual services in Canada we are inviting you to be a part of the largest and most ambitious study of Canada's sex industry undertaken to date. The Sex, Safety and Security Study, which is part of a larger research initiative funded the Canadian Institutes for Health Research (CIHR), seeks to provide a safe, secure and nonjudgmental environment for people who have purchased sexual services to have your voices heard and respected and the details of your experiences acknowledged."

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The older I get, the more I realize that I'm turning into a zombie. 'Cos the only thing I really care about is.... brains.

Yep.... i will admit..... I am an Addict... lol!!! I am alway on cerb! my phone, My laptop... work pc if there is internet I am here!! Hello Everyone, My name is Tiffany and I am a CERB Addict!

My first SP was on a business trip in Calgary. I was so nervous but horny as hell ... so plucked the courage to call ... 5mins before she was due to arrive my boss who wasn't suppose to arrive in the city till much later calls me and says he'll be here in 10, see you in the foyer. The SP arrives looking gorgeous, I was a stuttering, nervous ..idiot. said I had to cancel .. but paid her for the full hour... easiest hour she ever had ;)

Well again a little knowledge or research goes a long way. The problem with lubes and condoms is that although water based is fairly safe to use with a condom, oil and silcone causes latex to deteriorate, which kind of defeats the purpose of the condom. Water based lubes wash off quickly which is good. While using a silicone lube you are at a greater risk of an infection because it, and any bacteria it picks up, are not as easily washed away. A water based lube with glycerin is also bad for folks prone to yeast infection.

Why is it that when I go to the grocery store with only a few small things on my list, I always leave with $300 worth of groceries?

Meg, I love to linger in the afterglow, chat and smooch while softly running my fingertips over all the ladies curves. It's a beautiful moment if the connection between the SP and client is right.

For a man...burly is the best description. I want to be enveloped by a MAN...a masculine man. Kind face, chest hair, nice butt. I had a huge crush on Tom Berenger when he was in Platoon and on Cheers. I guess that's the natural instinct to be protected. Don't get me wrong, a mmmm is a mmmm and I love all men. For a woman... I will admire any woman on the street that catches my fancy but to be intimate requires a "connection". My admiration comes from how she comports herself. Confidence is a huge turn. Style and demeanor attract me.

Air effects instead of febreeze cause it was on sale. Now my house stinks like cheap car freshner. Gross!

Only one person's (very humble) opinion, but the opinion of a long-time condom user and fan. Most of any man's objection to covering is psychological, and the kernel of truth that the objection is based on can be well handled by a little lube on the head before the cover goes on and making sure the condom isn't cold. The bulk of the difficulty vanishes with a change of attitude. Condoms are fun, helpful little creatures that make possible what would otherwise be entirely too risky - they are Man's third best friend. Again, MHO, but I have a sense that North American culture has become quite blasé about STIs and their associated misery - inappropriately so.

Well... Mod, the nag screen worked for me. Been lurking for sometime, so I guess it was time I say Hello.

Sorry, my comment was cut off below within your post... I wanted to say that the more demand for this service, I'm afraid, the more that will change.

Good post ODL. But as long as you are the best client you can be, in other words a gentleman who completely respects a lady's boundaries you have nothing to be sorry for. And if a lady you see chooses to put restrictions on what she offerred in an encounter, you will still continue to see her, so she won't feel economically pressured to perform services she no longer wants to do then you have nothing to apologize for Be the best client and gentleman you can be. From your post I'm guessing you are. If you are a gentleman, you have nothing to be sorry for. RG

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I must say I'm more on the inner attraction of someone. But if I had to narrow it out down. First on the physical side it is 'facial structure'. I find a wowan with a certain who has a certain look ususally with something unique like high cheek bones, dimples or nice full soft lips...is someone who will quickly catch my attention. It isn't all those things or anyone specific just usually something that say in my head...Wow she looks good! But upon meeting it has to be confidence. I really love a woman who 'has it together'. Often they are smart too. Once a conversation starts I can really find myself drawn into a woman of this type. And I love the feeling of that happening. Cub

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Last year there was a story here in Ottawa about it. A girl being held on the Gatineau side of the river. She was lured in by 2 girls and then there was a man involved too when they got her to the location. So it does happen here too...

A beautiful blonde bunny has found her way into CMJ west this morning :) She has hidden all the treats though, can you help her find them? Maybe they are in a sensual shower for 2? or maybe they are hidden in some more intimate places? ;) Why don't you just relax and let her show you instead. She knows all of the best spots, and how to search them just right ;) Whether you want hot and sexy, or slow and sensual come let the naughty Easter bunny give you a great Friday :) Xoxox 613-523-6199 or PM anytime Kelly

I know I have met some wonderful ladies, some of whom I consider friends, through this lifestyle. The companionship they provided has enriched my life. As cliche as it sounds, I feel truly honoured that they were willing not just to share their bodies, but their minds and souls with me. Not only did I enjoy the moment of our encounter, I have been left with wonderful memories about memorable times together. The companionship given, yes given, has a value you can't put a price on. But the value of the gift of your companionship to me far exceeds the donation asked. I only hope that for you ladies I am respectful and a gentleman enough so during our time together you enjoy my company too. A Heartfelt Thank You From A Grateful Gentleman RG

For those of us that have known Jessy, while she was with agency remarked in this thread, she has now moved on her own and works for herself. She will touring the odd time into Ottawa from Montreal, and I can say she is here now in Ottawa until Sunday. :) Look up her new name Jessy Celeste under members list, and do yourself a favour and see her before she leaves. I was able to spend some time with her last night, it was really nice to get acquainted once again. As old lovers and had seen each other quite a few times in the past, it was a very erotic, sensual, and sexy time with Jessy :) I hope that Mod can change the title of this reco and have it in her new name now.

But wait! If you act now we will double your order and pay the shipping. Cheers,

Wait a second.... is this covered cuddling or is my back bare??? Cuz if we be cuddlin', we be sharin' da sheets. Bare back cuddlin' causes viruses n shit. I could catch poomonia. I would be all covered in man sweat and subject to breezes on my back and my bodacious buttocks, which everyone knows attacks the immune system. It's covered cuddling for this fat boy, that's for sure. Wait... ooops. Ummmm. Yes. Cuddle me. Gently. Hold me to your bosom. Yes.

Prostitution Research & Education posts this on their front page: (Prostitution is One Form of Violence Against Women) Starting from such an ideology, I'd wonder about anything they publish. Also, they're associated with Melissa Farley, who gets absolutely skewered in this article: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/a-load-of-farley/

Damn right it didn't go into supporting detail! To be honest, with a sample size that small you really can't go into supporting anything, because you can't support anything at all - especially when you're dealing with fundamentally small populations such as people "who would commit rape if they could get away with it". So there was one of those in one bucket, and none in another? Maybe one and two? That means NOTHING, and anyone who has even the slightest clue about statistics will see through this in a heartbeat. Ditto everything else mentioned in this worthless pile of crap of an article. Which is depressing. What's even more depressing is that I can't even work out whether the "journalist" who wrote this has an agenda or not. She doesn't seem competent enough to have even formed an opinion of her own on the subject, never mind got to the point of trying to convince anyone else. That's not "objectivity"; that's "too stupid to survive unsupervised".

I dont think this thread should die just there.., and I am putting it right back at the top.., cause i m sure some new members can get some good advice from it! Hehe and everytime i come back to it, it gets such a good laugh, because it is so hilarious, and what makes it even better is because every single word and situation are real! Even if they sound simple or even stupid at times..., They are real situations! Thanks Old Dog again, again and again!

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I am only into men so I'll say what I find attractive in a man obvious confidence-someone who doesn't let anyone intimidate them a man who is positive, who always looks on the bright side a sense of humor is a must and of course compassion -for others, especially animals all these and the looks and sex appeal of colin farrell and theres the perfect male-jmo:biggrin:

Thank goodness for The Unhijackable Thread of Randomnes.

Sorry, but I'm never pushy, and I always think with my head on my shoulders at all times with a lady, and always act like a complete gentleman. Please don't lump me in with "we as men can be pushy" Thanks.

When your sleep gets all screwed up... and naps become all consuming.

True story. Phaedrus, Old Dog and Andy were travelling to the Redneck Handicapped Olympics at Red Lake and had to stay one night in at Red Green's house along the way. Unfortunately they had to share one double bed. In the morning, Andy said, "I had this great dream last night, that a girl gave me a handjob." Old Dog replied, "That's weird so did I." Phaedrus retorted , "Lucky for you guys...I only dreamed I was skiing."

30. The Outcall at your home You have done it!!! You will no longer have to be master of your domain. Put that Kleenex box away. Today's the day you have finally saved for... you are going to meet Alotta Fagina and her new duo partner, Anita Dickens-Hyde (that's right, say it slowly...I'm a dirty freakin' genius!), at your swinging bachelor pad. Best behaviour!!! Now. Eeeeeeek. Look at this place. Ummmm. Ewwwwww. What is that smell??? Gonna need to do some laundry. Yup. Your method of saving on laundry costs by wearing t-shirts and underwear for 4 days has a price (inside out, outside in, backwards and forwards... doesn't everyone do this???) Your place kinda smells like... ummmm... how do we put it politely???? Poo. Sweat. and dead animals. Charming. A fire... you could set the place on fire. No. Bad idea. How about you clean it??? You know those dusty bottles that your sister gave you 8 years ago when you got the place??? Use those. The bedroom. It's not so bad. Okay. It looks like the bedroom of an 8 year old. The He-Man and the Masters of the Universe comforter set is quaint and charming BUT not so much on the sexy debonair suave side. You good sir are going to have to put some big boy clothes on and do some shopping. No. Chicks don't dig Transformers. You can't use that comforter set either. You know the colour of the paint on the walls?? Ask someone at the store to show you something without animated characters and sorta matches the decor. No. You can't buy the Gi Joe sheet set. No. Don't make me hit you. While you are out... did you think of refreshments?? I know that you like chocolate milk and cherry Koolaid mixed together, but it's not everyone's taste. Try something ummmm kinda grown up. Wine maybe? For GODS sake don't pick the wine in the Transformers bottle. Yes, I know it's "neat." That bottle over there - see it? Yes, that one in the clear green glass bottle. I know you don't know anything about wine. Yes, I know you don't own a corkscrew. Okay. Just pick up a bottle of white and a bottle of red with twist tops. And over there... see that section over there that says coolers? Pick up a 4 pack that is kinda girly. I have no idea what they like. Okay. I know you don't either. Jeebus. You see the pink ones? Pick those up. Oh and pick up those wine glasses over there. I know you probably won't use them again. But the LADIES might. Let's go to the grocery store now. I know you are excited. Settle down. No, you are too big to ride in the cart. I am only helping you. You need to push it yourself. Awww, don't pout. Are those, tears???? Okay you can ride in the cart. I will help you. See this?? This is bottled water. I know it's cheaper from the tap. I know you want to show the ladies your limited edition Star Wars glasses from 1983. Trust me, we will go with the bottled water. Oh hey... look at that. It's cheese and it doesn't come in a can!!! Let's do some of that. You don't have plates? Okay. Let's go to the deli... they have a cheese and crackers platter at a reasonable price. What do you mean you don't have napkins. Ohhhh... you use Cottonelle for everything. Not today. No sir, not today. I am guessing you don't have candles. Oh you do??? Lord of the Rings Hobbit Candles. Charming. Nothing sorta plain?? Okay let's forget the candles, the less they see of your place the better. Gents... when you invite a provider to your home treat them with the respect they deserve. Clean. Yup. Clean. The bathroom, the bedroom, the living room and the kitchen. If you provide refreshments do so from a SEALED bottle opened in their presence. Make an effort. You make THEM bacon sandwiches!!! They are your guests! 31. Great Expectations It's happened to all of us on BOTH sides of the equation. You have been speaking for weeks, have exchanged PMs, texts, calls... and today is the day that you are finally going to meet. The door opens... and meh. It's certainly not unique to this world, it happens on dating sites all over. It's happened at high school reunions. It happens everywhere. You have envisioned a mix of Megan Fox/Angelina Jolie/Sasha Grey and are met with ummmmm... not that. You are disappointed. You have built up the moment in your head, the dream date with Megangelisha... and are met with a pretty woman that isn't her. What to do? Step back. Take a moment. Take stock. You aren't Brad Pitt, Channing Tatum or Shemar Moore. You are just a guy. She is a pretty girl. Give your head a shake. She is going to touch your wiener. She is a pretty wiener touching girl. Not only that, she is the pretty wiener touching girl that has an amazing personality. She is a charming pretty wiener touching girl that smells really good. She is an aromatic charming pretty wiener touching girl wearing a beautiful negligee cut so low that you see her amazing boobies. She is an aromatic near naked buxom charming pretty wiener touching girl that has just invited your into her home. She is a welcoming aromatic near naked buxom charming pretty wiener touching girl that has just planted the most amazing kiss on your lips. She is a kissable welcoming aromatic near naked buxom charming pretty wiener touching girl that has changed your opinion. No longer meh. She's HAWT. She isn't Megangelisha but then again you aren't Brachanmar. That's a good thing too, cuz neither of your fake names is frickin' pronounceable. What you are is.... together, at her place, at the appointed time, with the correct amount of money, with a couple of hours open, with a bottle of wine and possessing some degree of chemistry. A light goes on in your head. This is good. This is really good. Of course then she kills you. You knocked on the wrong door. Had you followed the directions she gave you, you would have been alive BUT OHHHH NO.... you had to be the guy who doesn't need directions. Serves you right to be dead. You knocked on the door of the notorious negligee nympho killer. She's probably desecrating your corpse right now.... No, I'm just messing with ya. She didn't kill you. If she did, you wouldn't be reading this. You had a really good time. She rocked your world. Your wiener is kinda sore, but in a good way. You learned a valuable lesson. Don't dismiss something that could be great. You built the rapport, follow through. Read the directions to her place. Don't knock on the wrong door. Beware of nearly nude nymphos with knives. If she is playing the theme from Psycho, run. Don't go swimming until an hour after you have eaten. Don't stick forks in live electrical outlets. If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it. It's amazing being me. Bwahahahahahah

27. Alternatives to the Bacon Sandwich I was insensitive. I forgot that many providers have religious convictions that may prevent them from providing bacon sandwiches at their incall locations. Alternatives, well. Hmmm. Do you have a friend that might make bacon sandwiches that you could call? That'd work. Steak sandwiches are nice. With caramelized onions and mushrooms, on a soft bun, meat cooked medium rare with a dollop of horseradish mayonnaise. I like that too. Not as much as bacon sandwiches, but if you make up for it by putting a little more effort on the plate, like a sprig of parsley and a few cherry tomatoes, it is almost as good. Vegetarians. Hmmm. I never considered you either. Listen. If you have a friend that will make you bacon sandwiches and put it in a nice sealed thermal bag, I might just take that to go at the end of our encounter. Or you could make butter tarts. I like butter tarts. The butter tart to bacon sandwich equivalency ratio is approximately 12.8 to 1, but I would take an even dozen and call it a deal. Vegans. You are going to make my life difficult. Anything in your fridge will probably make me feign a polite smile and rub my tummy indicating that I am already full. I don't believe that there is a vegan equivalent to any of the aforementioned sandwiches or buttery confections. You might want to consider a new profession... or.... you could offer duos with a bacon lady... that'd work! Just sayin'. 28. The Negotiator You enter a restaurant. Your brain is like Rain Man. You know that you will only eat 84% of your hamburger, 67% of your fries, 92% of your coleslaw and drink 96 % of your coffee. Waste not, want not. You speak to the manager of your restaurant. You ask what the hamburger platter costs replete with a steaming cup of coffee. He quotes you a price, of $10.17, taxes in and excluding gratuity. You balk. You counter offer at $7.82 including gratuity, insisting that the amount of time spent at the table will be less than 14 minutes if the service of the meal comes within 2.4 minutes of your arrival thus allowing the restaurant to serve more customers per hour. You ask to only be served 84% of a hamburger, 18 of the standard 27 french fries, 4.6 ounces of coleslaw and 7.68 ounces of coffee. This seems perfectly reasonable. To. You. The manager politely asks you to leave. Now. GTFO. You get a bit snippy and threaten not to darken his door ever again. He raises an eyebrow, gives his head a slight nod indicating the direction of the door. You see that your negotiating skills have missed their mark on this savvy proprietor. You don't eat that day. The same holds true in the provider world. When the pretty lady says that she offers 1 hour, 2 hour, 4 hour and 8 hour encounters with specific prices attached thereto, you should understand that those are the time allotments and prices that are NON negotiable. You can't get 84% of a BJ. This is a luxury service and frankly, you have an alternative - you can seek someone else with a cheaper rate and more suitable time frames BUT you have to understand. A Camaro is not a Ferrari. A Pinto is not a Benz. A Lada is not a Rolls Royce. You may end up at the same destination with all six, but you know that the ride won't be as smooth and certainly not as memorable. 29. I love you vs I LOVE YOU. Alotta Fagina. Ohhhhhhhh my GOD. Alotta. Fagina. I have seen her like ummmm.... 25 times in the past two months. She is my muse. She makes me happy. She fills my heart with joy. She is perfect. Good heavens. I love her. No. I love bacon sandwiches. I LOVE HER. With all my heart. I LOVE her. She must love me. She must LOVE me. We have had sex like 25 times in the last two months. That's what... 24 more times than I had all of last year with my ex-girlfriend. Granted she was in a coma for 11 of those months, but that's semantics. I LOVE Alotta Fagina. She LOVES me. We will move in together. We can have an island, small at first, like one that holds up the centre support of a train bridge but in time we will have an island in the Caribbean. When I win the lotto. I have a plan. I will make her the happiest woman on the face of the planet. She has made me the happiest man on the face of the planet. <THWACK> WTF! I was expressing my true love, my undying affection. We are in love. <THWACK> Okay, please stop that. I know you are jealous of our deep spiritual connection. You could not possibly understand how much we LOVE one another. <THWACK> Now that hurt. Why did you use a baseball bat? I may have a contusion. Look, just look... you left a mark. How can I explain this to the epicentre of my universe, the apple of my eye... I know, I will say I was defending her honour. That will make her UBER love me even more than she ultra loves me now. This is a dangerous game. You may have affection for providers and providers may have affection for us. That's a natural bond that comes with spending time together but never confuse love for LOVE. You have a paid relationship with a provider that is mutually beneficial, and over time that may make you much closer. I am not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE that LOVE will blossom, but the most basic principle is that you will find an amazing person to spend your time and money with... and that's the premise that you must keep in mind. Love your provider, respect your provider but when you feel the emotions welling up within you, take a break from your provider and take stock. It might be best for everyone! ... i'm sure that there will be more....

Hey Tess, I've tried all different bondage components over the years but it wasn't the bondage as such that I'll found got me excited it was either the loss of control and holding that edge of nervousness and excitement or the power of control. I must say that I've had lots of fun over the years but sensation play was always my favorite. My first foray was when I was 17 and I had my girlfriend all tied up and blindfolded on a bed and used a cherry popsicle and my warm breath as my tools. At that age it was very erotic. Over the years I've continued with the bondage sensation aspects but found that on a bed a person can feel you move around them and begin to anticipate so I now prefer a table (massage table) and I used a blindfold ear plugs. But after my wife and I read the Fifty Shades books and copied the whole earphones and sensations accompanied to music and timed to go with the music it really was amazing. For me I'm all about experiences so I like to try both sides equally depending on the mood. (Just a hint if people do decide to work the music into their sensation fun, I'd recommend that the Dom create the playlist independant of the Sub. That way the only notion of what might be coming for the Sub next will be when the next song starts to play. (Nine Inch Nails, "Fuck you like an animal" - as soon as it starts she always starts to tense up because she knows where the stimulation is headed (I'm smiling right now) v.s. something soft like a piano melody). Oh my, I think its time to go and work up another play list. (Oh BTW if the woman is the Sub the Doms use of Ben-wa balls can really drive her off her head especially if the table is inclined) Have fun everybody. Chuck

I love this question. I hope that many Cerbites will respond because I'm fascinated with the kinks of other people. I enjoy hearing about them, I enjoy discussing and dissecting them, I enjoy learning about why they do what they do to whomever they do them to. For my own part, most of my kinks center around power exchange. Mind control, damsels in distress, sexual training, hypnosis, etc... I think that some of it stems from the television shows that I used to watch as a child. My earliest recollection of being sexually aroused was watching Yvonne Craig, Batgirl, in the campy television series. In one scene she was captured by a villain and dropped into a huge vat of quicksand-like goo and as she struggled to escape she became more and more exhausted, i.e. submissive. I remember breathing heavily and getting an erection as I watched her struggle and weaken. I think that I was six or seven. As an adult, I've enjoyed many D/s relationships and have explored pretty heavily into the realm of BDSM where I've met fascinating and creative people who have shared expressions of their own kinks and fantasies and I feel that I've learned much from these experiences. It's always a special treat when I get to discover something entirely new that excites, something that I never even considered until being exposed to it. One example is a Japanese form of rope bondage, Shibari, which I was introduced to years ago and have since taken up as a hobby.

I've been a big computer geek for 30 years but believe it or not, this is the first online forum I've ever been a part of. Probably explains some of my early growing pains. What I've found here is far more than just information but a true sense of community. I get the feeling that many members are close friends who care deeply about each other, even if they've never met in real life. I've only been here for a month or so and to some extent, I already feel deeply a part of this place. There are familiar faces, people whom I recognize and when I see they've made a new post, I rush to read it because I know that there's going to be some new piece of wisdom or humor to enjoy. And people know me too. I've never been popular or one to stand out in a crowd but here, many people actually know who I am. I certainly wouldn't claim to be popular here (perhaps the opposite for some) but certainly some people seem to like me and enjoy what I have to say and that feels pretty special. I'm sometimes hesitant to tell a lady my handle when I call her but I always do because I am what I am and there's no point trying pretend otherwise. CERB and the ladies I've met here have changed my life more than I could possibly describe. When I came here I was an early 40s unhappily married guy with emotional baggage, a big mouth, sexual insecurity, OCD and PE (although I rock the MSOG;-)). In many ways I'm still that same guy but because CERB accepts me just the way I am, I'm confident and comfortable in my own skin and I feel like I'm becoming a better man every day. Because we're all here and we all have our damage and we're none of us perfect. Feels a bit like family.