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I know that I'm probably in the minority on this one but I've never been able to understand the excitement of the BJ (CBJ or BBBJ). To me it's always been a bit, "Mehhh....take it or leave it" and not having one at all would not impact the enjoyment of my date in the least (I'd take DATY over BJ anyday). So given that I might not be the best person to comment at all but I'll do it anyway :) Like the OP I will specifically preface what I say with the comment that, I in no way intend to stir up another BBBJ debate. We have been down that long road and already know the different positions/sides on it. OP specifically asked about, why BBBJ or CBJ from a sensation standpoint. That's what I speak to. When it comes to covered sex acts, a lot will depend on the individual guy and his sensitivity level. Circumcised or not can play a roll in that for sure. Some guys are very sensitive and very little stimulation can result in (not necessarily premature but) early ejaculation so having a condom on can reduce sensitivity enough to prolong their experience without adversely diminishing it. Piano is right there is no way of replacing the sensation of skin on skin contact, and the heat/cool transfer as well as the energy transmission from skin to skin. A condom does significantly reduce that effect. When moving to a CBJ a lot of the sensation will have to evolve around pressure, albeit there are some condoms in the market that have come a very long way to making it feel like skin on skin. For me personally, I am circumcised and not a particularly sensitive guy (penis wise) so any time I use a condom a very large part of my experience has to come from the mental excitement and stimulation. When I'm covered even the most skilled out there could play with me until I was raw and I won't get there. That's where the GFE aspect really comes into play. If a lady is particularly skilled in making me feel like she is really there with me in the experience and not just "going through the motions" it engages me and increases my mental stimulation. When I feel like the lady is with me and actually enjoying my company it really gets me excited and very aroused and it's that aspect will bring me the most enjoyment and satisfaction. Ultimately this will make a BJ, either covered or uncovered a mind blowing experience.

I happen to be one of those guys that enjoys a woman performing oral sex on him more than intercourse. Although I enjoy a BBBJ, a CBJ performed by a woman that is enthusiastic and knows what she is doing can be a wonderful experience (certainly much better than the reverse - a BBBJ by someone who really isn't "into" it). Obviously, the choice of cover/uncovered is entirely up to the lady. So I guess at the end of the day, it's all about the lady's attitude and her efforts to make our time together mutually rewarding. There is something about laying back, giving up control and watching (and enjoying) myself being pleasured by a woman that likes to perform oral (cover or otherwise) sex. That is one of life's greatest pleasures for this olderguy. :)

Don't be fooled by men who threaten to "crucify" an SP by writing negative reviews. You don't need reviews to survive in this world. Provide honest service and they'll come back, reviews or not.

Age is merely but a number Sunshine ..... and I am 29 ;) Funny but I very rarely ever look or notice a lady's age ! Many many things attract me to a lady and their age sure isn't one of them. Age would be more a factor for me personally ....... If I am too old to jump then it is kinda hard to jump your bones now isn't it ? ;) Ha

Cristycurves - withholding the personal information you indicated above is certainly reasonable and expected. I think virtually all sensible people would understand and view it as a pragmatic security/safety issue. Sounds like you are genuine and honest in the ways that matter. Something many appreciate.

Providers, MAs, Dancers, Lurkers and Hobbyists alike... reply with your month :) January= Slut February = Attitude March = Flirtatious April= Firey May = Pornstar June= Sexy July= Hottie August = Thug September= Lover October = Perfect November= Passionate December- Freak in Bed Apparently I'm Perfect- October.

I have asked this question on another site, however figured Canadian comments would be more informative to me. Are your clients mainly circumcised? Do you have a preference if any? My experiences are mostly of circumcised penises, but I do have one embarrassing experience to share. Long story short I met this man, was really into him physically, finally was going to give it up and sleep with him until I get his clothes off and he has this access skin like substance covering his knob. I am completely caught off guard. Had never seen anything like it so I ask. What happened? Aha. He looks at me with a sexy confused look. He says what do you mean, I tell him it's swollen... Instinctively he looks and tells me I'm crazy it's soft. Soft I say.. Well where is it? All I see is skin lol. He then goes on to tell me to wrap your lips around it and it'll look normal. I felt like a total idiot. First uncircumcised penis I ever seen. What are your stories or comments.

If her ad doesn't reflect or suggest extras and she answers NO to providing them, attempting to ask again in person (this scares a lady and could make her feel she has too) God I feel really sorry for woman who are massage providers that dont do extras as I suspect they hate always being asked and attempted this. BTW you should not post her street name and I suspect she pulled her ad due to influx of requests in emails and calls from fellas after reading this thread. Frankly I think this thread should be canned for this ladies sake. Seeing as she has stated she does not provide happy endings.

I realize there are only 10 posts but..... Ahem....I believe you missed somebody ladies ?? !!!

Honesty in this or any business is the best policy, imo. But in this business especially where many try to hide their relationships and the fact that they are in this business, being forthright and honest can negatively affect one. In the beginning I told everything about myself, my age, where I'm from, my past vocations, relatives, ect, ect, then some started using that info against me, using it to do harm to some family members, friends and associates so I've since learned divulging personal details can be used against you and others you try to protect from the negativity this business can attract. Its not my policy to want to tell untruths but in the end if doing so protects myself and loved ones then that's what will be done.

I thought this would be a good thread to start. A place to post artistic or creative pictures from our own CERB Women. This picture from our own Claire Heaven is what gave me the inspiration to start this thread. This is a creative and artistic pose. And also one darn sexy woman :) Let's see what other artistic pictures we can find among our treasure trove of albums :)

My opinion is that there is no such as a thing as "rules" when it comes to pleasure... All women and Men are different... What may be good for one may be not so good for someone else... Also moods vary and so the things that will triger pleasure... My best advice is follow the signs with the lady you r with!!! Unless she is fakin it she will guiide you through what she enjoys..,Every time you have intomacy even if it is with same person things will be different and this is what would make it SPECIAL.. If it would be always the same then is when it becomes boring and you can start loosing interest! So just read the body and the signs as u are with that perosn (it also apply from ladies to gentlemen)... At that moment and that will make you both enjoy and have a pleasurable time ;)

Hi Christy Don't worry about not divulging everything about yourself. Reveal to a person only what you are comfortable revealing. But there are parts of YOUR life that belong to you and you alone. If you let others know a bit more about you they should feel flattered that you like and trust them enough to share that with them. That doesn't mean they are entitled to know everything about you So keeping parts of your life to yourself, that isn't an untruth, it is normal human nature RG

Did you know the vibrator was originally used in the 1900s as a medical treatment for female hysteria.

Pictures can be deceiving to the mind, irregardless it is real. You got to ask yourself before making judgment. How long ago was the picture taken? People do change over time new haircut or colour. They can be tanned or was at the time. New tattoo or piercing, even beauty marks appear sometime. Is it a candid picture or photo shoot. Candid are usually more accurate since you see them usually in their natural element. Photo shoot tend to hide any imperfection. Makeup, clothing and lighting are things used to enhance the person beauty. Did you see her face in the picture.? Your imagination probably in vision part that are hidden to the eye in the picture. But hey when in doubt check out cowboy Kenny diary. Not sure if they have anyone like him out there. Miss Sophie don't take it personal some people are still going to complain. Guys if you arrive in a situation were you think it may be a bait and switch unless you can prove it respectfully apologize give a small token for her time and leave. Don't make accusation without proof, even so what that going to give you anyways chance are if they are dishonest they want care what you say.

I've done a ton of role-plays.. mostly step-mom, a friends' mom, teacher, secretary, mom, realtor, dominatrix, cop, elvira, wonderwoman.. school girl. They can be a lot of fun!

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The only dude I'd ever think about potentially considering switching teams for, mainly because of his evolution in style, and the suits. (I may be into the suits more, still figuring that out). Daniel Craig the accountant - Daniel Craig the confused accountant Daniel Craig....Sorry, James Bond That suit..*drool* And then skinny legs jeans came into fashion, boo

If it's not offered, it's not offered. If it is, I like bbbj. CBJ is a loss of sensation, at least a big enough difference for me that I can tell the difference. It's the difference in temperature between a warm tongue and the cool air. It's the difference in the texture. And while it may be a bit crude to say this, it's a bit of carnal pleasure, seeing it happen. CBJs are great, don't get me wrong, but the best analogy I can think of is going for Italian food (CBJ), and eating local food in Italy (BBBJ). Can't complain if I get one or both, but would definitely prefer the latter. Additional Comments: I'm assuming he meant in the condom, while in the mouth. As in there is no pressure to stop.

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Oh, I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for responding to this but what the hey... With all due respect, what part of this woman's message is unclear? She said no. If she said no by email, by posting a flyer on the wall, by painting a chicken, she said no. Why would her answer be different in person? And hey, I'm sorry, but I have to call out the "I totally respect a ladies boundaries" thing. She's providing me with a sensual massage undraped. (She was dressed like a slut.) I am thinking that there is at least a chance she may offer more at some point. (So I'm gonna push her against the wall and see if I can have some fun with her.) The parallels are just too freaky. Just my opinion and observation. Continue as you were...

I always tip the pizza guy. They make peanuts and they remember you so you always get good delivery service. Tipping hospitality workers is always good, because they quite literally depend on tips. Remember they are paid below minimum wage because of tips. After a rugby tournament in the US they had a big party at a bar where the beer was free. (they buy so many kegs for the event and open the taps) I got there early, got my first free beer and gave the bartender $5. He looked at me, and I told him I was also a bartender. Later the crowd is 3 deep at the bar, I hold my glass up from the back, and he passes a beer over the crowd to me. People around me asked how I got that service and I just asked, "Did you tip him?" It was funny watching the lights come on on so many faces.

I think everyone has to realize, no matter if you do an incall or an outcall, there are risks both ways. I have heard of ladies stealing from clients in their hotel and at their residence. If you are going to be dealing with unknown ladies who have no reputation, no prior recommendations, no history, you are taking a risk, irregardless of whether it is incall or outcall. The point you have to understand, do your research on the lady. Does she have recommendations? Do others say she is reputable? Does she have other options like a website, real pics etc. Is she solid? or is she some new girl with a possible pimp working her. Incalls and outcalls each carry their own risks. If the lady has an incall location in a high end hotel, chances are, she is legit. If her incall is in the basement of a seedy rooming house, well, that's another thing. If she is doing an outcall, does she have a screening method? Or, does she just come out without verifying anything like phone number and name. Is her phone being answered by someone else, so you don't get a chance to actually get to talk to her? I understand those working for an agency generally don't talk to the client. Does the agency have a solid rep? Do they have a website? Are the pics real? You get what you pay for in this business. Understand that. Yes, there are those that will rip you off, bait and switch, rob you and leave 2 minutes after they get their money. However, there are way more ladies that work hard to build up a reputation to show that they legitimate. Stick to cerb ladies and you never go wrong. Especially if you are new to this. And, final point, car calls are ALWAYS ILLEGAL. Don't even think about getting with a lady who offers this. This is a huge red flag. Even if someone offered me $1, 000, 000, I would never do this. Why would any provider want to risk getting arrested? It is never worth the risk. xoxo

Cheap cheap cheap...hmmm this must be Winnipeg! My philosophy, I only do this occasionally, so if I do it, I want to do it right.

Let's be reasonable... I feel that's an unfair statement. As long as you see someone reputable, e.g. (the ladies from Cerb) you should have no problems. I've had countless outcalls to my residence over the past 13 years, and only once did I ever have an issue. However, that was only because I called a "no name" agency. I should have known better...

sex in your car is illegal. It is considered a public place. I do believe it is against the rules to post anything to do with car dates. I may be mistaken.

Very interesting thread... age is just a number for me also! Often younger man (20s) contact me and ask if it bothers me...it doesnt in the slightest! I find there is always good in everyone and would never say ''sorry you're too young''... Chemistry has no age!

I am a backpa e girl so please don't throw us in one negative stereotype. There are ways to research a lady that many men either don't want to bother or have not been informed of. I would start by asking the discretion level of the incall. I intentionally located myself in a smaller refurbished condo block that is just off downtown and with free parking. Some gentlemen may know people and bail out on an appointment out of fear of running into someone they know who lives there. It also isn't too hard to simply say you are their visiting a coworker or aunt or neice etc. Highrises have their advantages as people casually come and go all day etc. I also like that I am close enough to a fast food place and a general pharmacy that if a gentlemen is seriously concerned, he may wish to park at either and walk the 3-4 mins to my block. If you do go to a ladies incall, consider discretion factors for yourself such as did you do all communications through text only. This i hate say is careless on the providers part as she should at least have you call before you given the address to confirm you are male, not wasted etc. and to protect her discretion. Her operating in a discreet manner, will most certainly affect the discretion of you as well. Also if a neighbor is around you may not want to address the lady by her sp name and simply act like you should be there until behind closed door of her space. When leaving try not to say in a loud voice... "Thank You it was so nice to meet you, or escort talk as leaving. This could get overheard by neighbors etc. Some ways to screen the quality of a ladies incall could be questions like "do you provide clean shower facilities and towels should I wish to have a quick shower? You may ask about pets, and definetly make aware of certain allergies you may suffer from such as perfume or lube or oils etc.And if you are ultra concerned about being seen entering or leaving a call, simply ask her of the probability percentage hall way neighbors etc, I always ask a gentlemen to call or text once parked but still in car. That way i can receive him without him lurking outside and possibly running into a neighbor or looking unusual. Your discretion depends on her discretion in my opinion. If she requires you to call from a intersection close to her place, call from corner. She does to dramatically reduce the number of people who get the address early and then don't show.

One should always tip, yes. For me, generally 20% or more. Occasionally I have even tipped up to 50%. It can be a good feeling to see someone who is busting their ass and maybe having a shitty day get a big tip, and show them your appreciation. If I can afford it, then why not? Sometimes even when things go wrong, it's not even always that person's fault. Maybe the pizza took a long time, but it was the dudes at the pizza parlour dicking around. Or maybe he got stuck behind a traffic accident. Why should the driver suffer? Most of those service jobs live off their tips, and some of them even make a service wage which is actually less than minimum wage. Everyone has a bad day here and there, so I always give the benefit of the doubt, even if service isn't perfect. People who are shitty at service jobs usually have a way of weaving themselves out eventually anyways. Always tip! Pizza guys, servers, bartenders, hair stylist, taxi driver, mover, RMT, groomer... just about anyone who does something for you! :)

Round 2 6. Ok, the lady you would like to see has clearly stated her do's and don'ts. However, you want to do something on her don't list. After all, you are the one paying for her time and you want what you can't have. Do you: a) Show up and try to persuade her to do what you want? b) Ask her again to do what she does not do, and when she again says no, get her to do it anyways? c) Offer her more money even though she has told you a number of times she will not do what you want to do? d) Do not book her and look elsewhere The correct answer is D. Yes, if the provider (either massage or sp) does not offer a service you want, keep looking for someone who does what you want. Or, if you want, you can see her, but just not ask her to do that thing you want so bad. 7. You are visiting a MA. She is actually an RMT, has her certificates and everything. Her rates are decent, she is pretty and you are interested in seeing her. You have checked her out, and everyone clearly states she does not provide a Happy Ending. They have even stated that she gets really pissed off when people ask her for a happy ending even though she clearly states in her inquiries that she does not provide this service. After all, she will loose her RMT status if she does this. Do you: a) Book anyway and "see how far you can take it?" b) Book anyway and even though she has told you she does not provide Happy Endings, ask her again to help a fellow out? c) Demand she take care of your throbbing muscle? d) Book elsewhere If you answered d, you are correct. When a provider clearly states that she does not provide a happy ending, and you insist she do this anyways, the lady will most likely feel like this is a sexual assault and not be happy about you. She might even contact LE and charge you. When a lady says NO, it means NO. Do not, I repeat, do not try to get her to give a service that she does not provide. 8. You don't like using condoms. You cannot get the same sensation. So, you go to see a lady who you like. While you are getting it on with her, she puts a condom on you for your full service. You however, don't want to use a condom. Do you: a) Pull out, take your condom off and say "can I slip it in for a second?" b) Pull out, take your condom off and try to put it back in. Even though she says you have to put a new condom back on, you don't want to, so you pin her down and fuck her. After all, you will pull out when you come, so whats the big deal anyways? c) Flip her over to doggy style, take off the condom and fuck her without one and hope she doesn't notice. d) Are you serious? Well, if you got this one wrong, I am flabbergasted. For those that were around when Aids first came out, they did not know how this disease spread. People died within months of getting infected. Everyone used a condom for Everything. Even toilet seats had to be covered. You might want to read up on the STI's out there. There is a wealth of information out there for you to read. Remember, NO means NO. Anything else is sexual assault. 9. The lady you would would like to see has no reviews. She has been around for awhile. You ask others what they think. They all say "can't say anything on this site" or "her pics are on TINEYE of the hot Porn Star". You still want to see her. Do you: a) book with her and get angry when she is not what she advertises herself as b) book with her, pay her money and believe her when she says she needs to go to her car. Wait 30 minutes and then realize she is not coming back. Get angry she did this to you. c) book with her and go thru with the call even though she is not the the porn star her pictures present her as. d) Heed the advice of other hobbyists and keep looking. Well, if you answered d, good move. There is a difference between someone who is new and has no reputation yet. Yes, you can TOFFT in that case, but when a number of others clearly state "caution" or "I can't discuss her here", this means run away as fast as you can. Do not let these lady continue getting money if they are running a shady business. That's it for today. Round three will be here soon! And now for our sponsors.....

Excuse me? See how far I can take it with her??? She clearly states no happy endings.

This is why I like Cerb. Valuable information like this. :D I am completely lost when it comes to roleplaying, but it's something that I've wanted to learn more about. My biggest problem is that I'm always in my head, so I'm afraid the entire time, I'll be just thinking about the how to act the role instead of living/being it. Does anyone have this problem? Another issue I have, is that whenever I think of role playing, I think about the times when I was much younger, pretending to be police officers, or some sort of hero saving the world. I just can't get that imagery of my head now, and I can easily imagine myself just laughing hysterically. I kinda feel envious of those who don't have my hang ups and reservations.

I thought this would be an interesting topic. Teach us men, how to please you. How do you like to be kissed? How do you like to touched, hard or soft Do you like to be tickled. Where do you like to be kissed and licked :) Where are you erogenous zones. Any place in particular that turns you on. Do you like the man to undress you. Do you like to be massaged? Do you like the man to be aggressive or to be laid back. How do you like Daty to be done? What positions turn you on the most? favourite positions? Here's a chance to let us men know what you like so we don't fumble around like idiots :) Thanks for sharing. Maybe this will help us men make our encounters with you more enjoyable.

Eat It Right By Dan Savage http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=6290 ___________________________ I got 500 letters from straight women with advice for men on the whole pussy-eating subject. Why haven't these letters appeared in this column? Well, I have a bias: I'm gay. Given a choice between reading hundreds of e-mails about eating pussy or, say, talking to a good-looking male porn star about his online underwear sales, well, I'm going to go with the porn star every time. While I'm aware that reading about cunnilingus is one of my occupational hazards (along with handling letters from people who eat poo), that awareness doesn't make me any less reluctant to do so. Don't get me wrong, ladies. I am all for cunnilingus. Straight men, in my opinion, are obligated to provide it. I'm as pro-cunnilingus as a gay man can get, but I guess you could say I'm pro-cunnilingus in the abstract. I'm pro-eating pussy in the same way I'm, say, pro-round-the-clock home nursing for incontinent paraplegics: I'm glad it happens, I just don't want to do it. But... I promised you a cunnilingus column, SGAFP, and a cunnilingus column you shall have. But what about my gay male readers? Columns about cunnilingus have something to offer straight men, straight women, and lesbians, but NOTHING to offer gay men. So to give my gay male readers a reason to slog through this column, I've included an item of particular interest to gay men. Okay, here are your cunnilingus tips, boys! Whatever you do, DO NOT use your teeth! Also try to keep the saliva down to a minimum. Been There Got it, boys? No teeth, and very little saliva. SALIVA, SALIVA, SALIVA: I can't overemphasize the importance of plenty of lubrication. Cumming from Cunnilingus No, wait--use saliva, boys, and lots of it. But no teeth. The word cunnilingus derives from two Latin words: cunnus (female genitals) and lingere (to lick). But the action should include not only the tongue, but the teeth. Tongue: soft, yet firm. Teeth: Nibble around down there! Pussy Prof No, wait--use your teeth to nibble, boys. I don't think it's necessary for a guy to spend much time in any other area than the clitoris. It's the Clit Focus on the clit, boys. A clit is not a doorbell. Please do not punch it repeatedly with your tongue. And explore the rest of my pussy. It has just as many sensitive nerve endings as my clit. Word of the Day No, wait--explore the whole pussy, boys. As a closeted gay college student, I turned to my straight friends for guidance on "the deed," and one bit of advice actually worked: Lick the alphabet! One word of caution: SHE CAN'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! It is disastrous to let her hear you humming the alphabet song. This could imply that you are not sufficiently stimulated by her parts, as was the case with me. ABC Lick the alphabet, boys, but don't let her know you're licking the alphabet. I dated a guy who used "the alphabet song" to guide him along. Basically, he hummed the "A, B, C, D, E, F, G... H, I, J, K, LMNOP..." song while drawing the letters with his tongue on my clit. Now every time I hear the alphabet song I get wet! Alphabet Soup No, wait. Tell her you're licking the alphabet, and she'll get wet when she hears the alphabet song. Guys, don't slide your tongues in and out of our vaginas. All that feels like is a small, thin, limp dick. Most women don't like small, limp dicks, so why simulate one with your tongue? Clitty McNub Don't stick your tongues in, boys. A French guy once stuck his tongue in and swirled it around, pushing it really hard against the walls of my vagina. It was amazing. The American guys I've slept with tend to lap politely. I guess this must be one of those things the French come up with in their six weeks of annual paid vacation. French Kissed No, wait--stick your tongues in the vaginal canal, boys. So many guys are obsessed with penetration that they can't eat pussy without sticking their fingers in. Fellas, please, just lick me. Lick It Don't Stick It No fingers, boys, just tongue. Men need to know that the G-spot is located behind the ridge of the pubis bone, up and inside her vagina. Take your hand palm up, insert middle and pointer fingers, curl your fingers toward you like you're saying, "Come here." Do this while you lick, and she'll come right then and there. East Bay Hard Core No, wait--use your fingers and tongue, boys. Okay, let's review what we've learned: Use little saliva; use lots of saliva; use your teeth; don't use your teeth; focus on the clit; explore the whole pussy; lick the alphabet but don't tell her; lick the alphabet and tell her; don't stick your tongue in; stick your tongue in; don't stick your fingers in; stick your fingers in. I hope this was helpful. Of course, if it wasn't--if this column left you more confused--you might try ASKING THE WOMAN TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT SHE LIKES. Personally, two things kept coming up while I was reading my 500 e-mails about cunnilingus: my lunch, and the sneaking suspicion that not all women enjoy the same things when it comes to oral sex. So, boys, you'll have to ask. ____________________________ Seriously though, every woman is different and enjoys different kinds of stimulation :) However, here is a few links about DATY, which had some ideas and basic guidelines I thought were decent. :) http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?625-Advanced-Cunnilingus-Techniques http://dodsonandross.com/blogs/lilithland/2011/03/tutorial-performing-oral-sex-woman And one from our own NotchJohnson here on CERB: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61539&highlight=daty And another amazing thread from Emiafish about DATY: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118406

Divulging things about yourself should not be expected...but don't make things up. The only honesty I look for is pics being no more than 1yr. old...at least some of them...and your age being with in a couple of years of what you say it is and you are STD free as far as you honestly know.

I love all penises, all shapes, all sizes but if I had to chose I'd chose circumcised. I like the look better and just feel its cleaner, no lectures please, its just my opinion:)

Come see me at CMJ west today 10 - 4!! I'll take care of all those naughty fantasies A hot and wet shower for two sounds like a great way to start the day. Whether you want naughty and fun, or slow and sexy I have exactly what you need. My soft hands will carry you to the peaks of pleasure. Call me at 613-523-6199 or PM Xoxo Kelly

First off, congrats on the milestone. This is something a lot of men dream of, so I hope you find the right combination for you. You deserve to treat yourself. First off, have you approached ladies you have already seen? I do not know the ladies you already seen, so if not readily obvious, please forgive me. Have you approached them to see if they have a duo partner? Sometimes just asking her helps. Second, you are asking for a date night. Many ladies provide this service. Yes, there is usually a fee for the whole time you are together. Most ladies will incorporate the total time spent with each other and of course the other ladies time with you (you are planning on bringing both ladies for the game and dinner, right?). Instead of going for a per hour rate, ask her for the extended hourly rate. Remember, the time spent with going to the game and dinner, is taking away from her options to book other calls that night, which decreases her total income for the evening. So, yes you will pay for this time. The rate for this time will be determined by your ladies. Just ask the ladies. Hope it works out and enjoy!

To answer the question -age does it matter- It depends on who you ask. There is ageism just as there is racism, sexism, people who prejudge a person based on their weight, and other forms of judgement. Its a flaw a lot of people have -prejudging a person based on ones outward appearance-. In this business in particular ageism is rampant, many hobbyists have the believe that a woman's" shelf life" expires after the age of 30 as do many sps. Some may not admit it but it clearly is obvious. I hear some sps mocking others all the time because of their maturity. Causing many to have no other choice but to lie about their age in order to get business or to maintain peace of mind. There are many that prefer a more mature provider but I do think the common census for this business is that its for the young, by that I mean if you ask anyone what are the common ages for sps most would say 20-30, not over 35. Some people make prejudgements about the young, some about the more mature. What is important to remember is anyone who judges anyone without knowing them is being shallow and not worth your time or mine. As any age has is redeeming qualities and just like fine wine-we-(women) just get better with age:)

Empty83, I used to think the same way you do but because I'm a few years older than you and out of my 20's, that doesn't seem to happen that much anymore. When I was in my 20's, I thought I had to prove a lot of things to other people in order to feel more grown up or accepted. I bought my first house at 23, a 60k vehicle and the whole nine yards. In essence I was keeping up with the Jones' who were 10 years older than me while many people my age still lived at home. I was also dealing with a lot of older people in my business and felt I couldn't relate to those who were actually my age because I left home at 19 and settled down at 22. By all outward appearances, I looked like I had my shit together but chronologically I was still 23 or 24 and was still viewed as "young". I believe life experience brings maturity ( not to say you are immature) and life experience brings you more self acceptance. I used to consider myself a materialistic person but have since learned that this does not buy happiness. I found once I just accepted myself for who I was ( flaws and all) that brought more inner confidence. When you know who you are as a person, you will reflect that and people will begin to take you seriously. Don't take this too much to heart about feeling too young. The more you feel this way about yourself, people will get the same vibe off of you and think the same way. Yes, you are still young ( assuming by your handle that you were born in 1983?) but enjoy your youth while you can and don't sweat the small stuff. When we're young, we want to be grownups, do adult things and be accepted. Sure, people judge a book by it's cover but don't get too caught up in trying to prove a point. When we do this, we aren't trying to prove this to other people but more to ourselves. As long as you know who you are, there is nothing to prove. Don't worry though, you will begin to see this in time as you get to know yourself better. And interestingly enough, I sound very young. I've had telemarketers call my home phone and asked if my parents were home. lol. I always laugh and take it as a compliment. Grandparents call and they think they're talking to their grandchild when it's really me! I just laugh esp when people still call me "Miss"!

If you are new to this hobby NEVER see ladies in your home unless they have stellar reputations backed up by recommenadations from guys that you trust. Seeing a lady you know nothing about in your home has disaster potential especially if something goes sideways. As for the extra charge, that is normal if it is an SP that also maintains an incall. If the SP has an incall to maintain, then coming to you costs her extra money in transportation cost, especially if she has a driver. As well if she comes to see you that takes extra time away from her "office" so even though you are only paying her for 1 hour if it takes her 30 minutes to get to you and then home, you are actually tying her up for 2 hours. SP's that don't maintain an incall likely shouldn't charge more on top of their normal rate as they don't have the monthly overhead associated with an incall and the transportation, driver, etc. is jsut part of her costs of doing business. Cheers

Thanks for the thread. I'm a size 16 and 5'11", 190 lbs.. so I'm not a small girl either.. but I love my curves and so do my friends and fans :) You go girl!

Chemistry is very important as is hygiene and compatibility! Can't beat a hardcore make out session!

It depends on the chemistry and hygiene to begin with but I know that I adore DFK and from personal experience, so does Sara McQuestion. Just look at profiles and ask the ladies directly, you will get a clearer picture. Because of the YMMV factor, one hobbyists experience isn't indicative of what you will get in this instance... cat

So I ended up trying to toftt last week. I booked a duo with both Bree and Presley. I did even ask for them to send me another pic to confirm it was not fake ones they were using. They sent me a pic as per my request and it looked great. Upon arriving the 2 girls there looked absolutely nothing like the pics posted or the the one sent to me. I turned around and left faster than I arrived lol. Beware guys. Total scam!!

Dropped by this afternoon on spec to wish Jenny a Happy VD. Unfortunately she was not present :( Maybe she has escaped down south. It was very quiet, but that s normal for a Tuesday. However, not all was lost :) I met Teresa, a young Montrealer:dirty blonde hair with a beautiful smile and bright brown eyes. We shared drinks and then we decided that she would be my Valentine's treat; and a treat she was.... sensual, sweet and close in the CR. Responsive nipples; an overall alluring experience. Thanks Teresa.