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Interesting topic. I completely understand all the reasons why ladies choose not to show their faces and I respect everyone's own choices to live and operate as they see fit for their own situation, since everyone's circumstances are different. For me, I am completely "out" about what I do. Everyone in my life who matters, knows what I do. And I don't hide it from people I meet. My face was already "out there" from some amateur adult stuff I did when I was younger, so when I first started this, I didn't really feel a real need to hide my identity. I know that what goes on the internet is there for life, but it really doesn't bother me. Since my family knows, and respects my choices and love me for me, and I don't have children, and don't want any ever, I am free to live my life any way I want. I don't really understand about the facial recognition thing or how it relates to this. I mean, I understand the technology, but don't really get why US border services would do that to random innocent people crossing the border, however it doesn't surprise me at all. But in any event, I was already banned from the states several years ago for something completely unrelated to this (a really stupid thing when I was 19). I even bought an all-inclusive trip to Vegas last winter, thinking that after all these years, my federal pardon would be enough to allow me to cross, but nope, it wasn't. So fuck them. I have no interest in going to the United States ever again in my life, so that is not a concern at all for me, personally. I also feel like being 100% open with people about my profession, and not hiding my face, this is my small personal contribution to the fight against "stigma" we face. At this point, I have no interest in attending rallies, protests or meetings, but I do think that it is important for us to be heard and give an identity to the modern day prostitute. We are not the creepy skanky diseased, drug addicted scumbags that the media often portrays us as; we are normal people. By me being open with family, friends, and especially strangers, it shows a range of people that we are just regular women. We are mothers, daughters, nieces, friends, and we don't look any different than they do. We have just chosen a different type of work! I really like this job, and plan to be in it for as long as I do enjoy it, so I am putting everything I have into it, no holds barred. If the day came that for some reason I wanted to leave this profession, I could quite seamlessly slip back into my previous career at any time, and because of the type of work I used to do, I am lucky enough that being an SP would have no effect over my ability to be successful at it. One of my best friends from my teenage years, who I haven't spoken to in a few years texted me out of the blue the other day, with just the words "Emily J?". My heart skipped a beat and I laughed to myself. I guess he saw me online somewhere. I didn't know how he would react but it was a great conversation and the last thing he said was "If anyone messes with you, let me know and I'll set them straight!". :) LOL. So, I have come to accept and just assume that everyone knows. And that's fine because I heard a saying once that stuck with me.. "Those who mind, don't matter, and those who matter, don't mind." And I really believe in that. I only have one life, and I am not going to live it on other people's terms. I've always strived to live a completely honest existence and it's a good feeling. :)

Boundaries can be blurred for a variety of reasons. Life is complicated and relationships are sometimes complex, including those we have in this industry. While the blurring of boundaries isn't the norm, people are people, and sometimes people meet in this profession and become friends, develop relationships, get married, break up, reach out to each other for help and/or support and genuinely enjoy each others' company. We're all vulnerable, and our hearts are tender. This isn't the only profession where boundaries can be and are sometimes blurred. Any caring type profession has these issues as well (nannies, nurses, care-givers, therapists, doctors, etc.). It's an interesting question for sure, but I doubt you'll get much response. When those boundaries are blurred it really is a privilege and a gift. It should be respected as such. :)

I see no issue with the poll or the time I added the poll. Only the people who either (1) want to cause drama or (2) want to negotiate are going to be against the poll as it shows how wrong it is and they don't want to be told that. Think it is time to close the thread. I will suggest to council as well that a new policy/rule on cerb should be that negotiating with a SP who does not specifically say her prices are negotiable will be against the rules. I see no reason why every lady needs to put that she does not negotiate in her ad (it makes her sound mean and negative and the ads should be positive) you don't walk into a restaurant and negotiate your dinner price (and if you do your an ass). Some things in this world should be non-negotiable and I feel in this business this is one of those things (and obviously I am not alone in thinking this). I will however let the council vote and decide if this should become policy here. Thanks for your votes and contributions on this important topic.

I show my face in my pictures. I guess to me it's a pride thing. I'm not ashamed of what I do. I don't go around telling everyone what I do however, I don't hide it either. I'm hoping to see a day where it is legal. Until then showing my face is my way of owning what I do. It might help that I've done all sorts of modelling in the past (including fetish stuff). This isn't a huge leap for me lol I understand why others don't and I respect that too. Everyone has different reasons and motivating factors. Personal choices should be respected - especially when so much is at stake

I am looking to find out how people feel about face pics. More important, for those that choose not to show their face, is this a deal breaker? I don't show my face on the internet or otherwise - ever. Even a selfie I send from my phone. There are many reasons, firstly is that I love going to the States, and they use facial recognition. If they are able to show that I am an escort, they will deny entry and ban me from entering ever again. I also have family that I choose not to let them know what I do. I have worried about everything from my pic being blasted all over the internet, to my own personal safety. I don't live in a large city, people know everyone where I live, and if they saw my face on an ad or website, they would know right away what I do, but I wouldn't know that they know what I do, until they do something. I have no problems with those that show their face. They are amazingly beautiful and brave in my opinion. What is your opinion?

I added the poll, I wanted to stick the thread and use it to help educate new members to the site. So that they can see how wrong it is to do this. The handful of people who voted YES (It's ok) compared to the overwhelming positive results for NO (It is not ok) clearly show this thread was needed and is a issue that needs attention. This thread also lets me see who the trolls are on the site as they can't help themselves on a popular emotional thread like this. They have to post to cause drama with stupid comments. Makes it easier to weed out the unwanted members here.

Just some quick musings here. First, is CERB in competition with other boards, and needs to put it one way, lower itself to their standards to keep in running with them? BTW that is just a question. Second. One thing I like about CERB compared to the other boards is it's civility, and how ladies are part of the board. Better worded, other boards in my experience seem to be a "boy's club" whereas this board is a community welcoming both ladies and gentlemen together. And there is more a us versus them attitude on those boards but here, we are all opposite sides of the same coin attitude. How many ladies will leave if reviews, not recommendations start Does membership, well paid membership, make a review, or even recommendation by that writer more worthy to read. And does it invalidate any reviews/recommendations written by someone who had membership on a board where no requirement to pay a membership is needed. Personally, JMO but I believe you can get a better idea as to the credibility/integrity of a writer of recommendations if he partakes in the board regularly and contributes. This gives you an idea of what he is like How well are you going to consider a reviewer who lurks for 5 years, then comes out once, posts a negative review, compared to someone who contributed to the board for 5 years, posts many recommendations and one time posts a negative review (btw not endorsing negative reviews here, but just trying to illustrate a point) And there are some "men" who enjoy bashing women, and would see this as an opportunity to do so. And they already have other boards they can use to do so, unfortunately. In fact on CERB, my own experience, being a gentleman, showing respect, is considered positive, but on the other boards (well can't say all boards, but a couple I tried and left) the us versus them attitude prevailed and respect for ladies was not considered a good thing by those "boys clubs" How many clients are going to want to pay to write reviews. And how many are willing to provide personal information to a board to allow them to do so. And does CERB want to get into allowing reviews. Personally, unless there are aspects I don't know about, CERB should stay where it's at, it doesn't need to lower the bar to other boards' levels. I prefer this to remain a community welcoming of ladies and gentlemen, not a "boys club" with an us versus them attitude Finally, I feel very comfortable providing my personal information for verification/screening purposes to a lady who I want to see for an encounter. But providing it to a website, really for the sole purpose of writing recommendations, I think my days of writing recommendations would be over. Also, there is an SP Only forum here on CERB where the ladies can, I assume, share amongst themselves information/screening about bad dates. Would there be some legal liability on CERB's part if it had a member's personal information and a bad date occurred. While CERB certainly doesn't want bad dates, I'm sure it doesn't want to be drawn into police investigations either and could be if it had member's personal information and accusations of a bad date took place. What if a case also went to civil court, CERB might be drawn into a court case they don't want either (sorry but I can see the litigation potential here). It's a possibility that CERB itself would have to consider And yes, for me, recommendations, not reviews, because my attitude is positive about encounters I'm to have, and my experience has been the same. So I believe even before seeing a lady, one outcome of the encounter I'm to have is writing a positive recommendation. I only had six bad encounters, but only one review worthy but I kept to the CERB mantra, if nothing nice to say...... My experience in this lifestyle has been positive and I wouldn't buy a membership so I could post negative reviews Some quick off the cuff ramblings and who knows, I may come up with more RG

Absolutely not a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination. For some ladies they are comfortable showing photos of their face, and those ladies should be respected for doing so But there are many ladies who chose not to show their faces and they too should be respected for that decision. Many enter this profession just for a short time. Many hold other jobs. Some have families And a lot do not want photos of their faces or knowledge that they were in this lifestyle to come out publically. There is an old adage, once a picture is posted on the internet, it is there for good. And some ladies don't want a picture of their face (associated with this lifestyle) to come back at a future date to haunt them, like maybe when they are no longer involved with this lifestyle. So my opinion, a lady should do what she is comfortable doing, and whatever decision she comes to, it needs to be respected A rambling RG

Thank you, Samantha, for bringing up this topic. It's a topic which deserves review and thoughtful discussion. You mentioned a screening benefit to SPs for those clients who request an appointment and have a verified membership. What would the benefit be, exactly? Would it potentially deter verified members from providing SPs with information they require for their own independent screening? For example, if verified members provide CERB with their real name and other verifiable personal information, perhaps they will be reluctant to provide it to an SP who may/may not be less reliable? There are other websites that work like this. Perhaps some escorts who also use those websites can provide insight on this question (i.e p411). I worry because some SPs might feel pressured to see a client simply because he's paid for a verified membership and then they will have little recourse if something bad happens. Given the above situation, you suggest the information might be disclosed if the client is proven to be dangerous. I wonder what it means, exactly, to be proven as dangerous. Would the CERB council decide this? I ask because sexual assault is such a contentious issue (i.e. what is and isn't assault, who is to 'blame', what he said versus what she said, etc.). It would be awful, absolutely awful, to be doubted in these types of circumstances. It would be equally awful to have to 'prove' to CERB that I was assaulted, or felt violated, or robbed, in order to get the necessary information I need to protect myself. A few thoughts to get the conversation going.

What LGBT are currently suffering in Russia. kids are being lured into traps on the internet, with homophobes waiting to torture them and then add the recorded torture and humiliation to video streaming channels... It's just. I can't. I wish we could do more.

I don't think any of this would change anything, there are men who will never divulge their identity, they are to afraid of being found out by their so's and no one will ever be able to convince them that some sites are more secure than others, this is my experience. There are those men who will trust you enough to give their details but will never join any sites for other reasons and then there are those who don't care who knows them or how much of their info is out there. My point is although it sounds like a great idea I don't think it would increase safety for us or create a more secure environment for clients as there will always be divided groups who choose to hobby in their own comfort zones, no matter the guarantees of anything. As far as cerb being a positive place, compared to some sites I'd say it was but truthfully speaking and from experience some will make comments here cleverly worded that can equal a negative review and "good" members on one site just go to another to perform their dirty work making it similar just a little more polite than those other sites, jmo. Lets face it if someone wants to damage someone no matter what site they belong to, no matter the rules and requirements or what details they have divulged of themselves they will, these are ruthless people who will stop at nothing. I now base little importance on reviews or recommendations, as I've met so many men who also say this and have no desire in writing any for anyone nor do they read any. But for those who like writing them and for those who rely on them I'm sure any ways of proving their validity would be appreciated. But nothing is foolproof nor is anything completely secure, lets face it anyone can find out who anyone is in this day and age if they really wanted to. There are trails to everything. I think the only true protectors for us all is our intuition, common sense and reading between the lines.

What a lady shows in her pictures is her choice--and rightfully so!--and there should be no pressure to show any more (or less) than she likes and is comfortable with. Speaking personally, do I like seeing face pics? Sure. There's so much more expression and personality that can be seen from a face. And how many times do we compliment someone on their eyes or smiles? It's hard not to admire or be drawn to a face. But is not seeing a face picture a deal-breaker? Absolutely not! As has been pointed out, there are simply too many reasons why it is understandable someone would choose not to. Moreover, there are just so many factors--many non-physical I might add--which can attract. Plus, think of the flip side: not seeing someone's face can add an enticing air of mystery. Our imaginations are such that sometimes what you don't see can be as exciting as what you do, and leaving a little unknown appeals to many. So yeah, I guess that could mean it's a win-win. :) In any event, each person has their boundaries and should only do what they are comfortable with.

True. It would definitely be significant, but those instances are very rare. Even when an SP/MA is assaulted and/or robbed, it is rare they will go to the police for help given the stigma involved (both the stigma of sexual assault, and of being a sex worker). Also, the police cannot lay charges against someone without their personal information, which the SP/MA might not have as a result of this type of verification process. I'm really against anyone being the gatekeeeper of information that could protect me. As you've clearly stated, there would be no obligation for an SP/MA to see a client simply because he was a verified member and she could still request all of her own information. However, as Icebreaker stated, there are definitely those few vocal folk who might feel differently. Very true. I can definitely see this type of situation arising depending on the circumstances and it would be important for CERB to consider this. Also, in terms of the SP Only Forum, it is precisely in this type of forum that information could be shared rather than with the police in the event of an assault. I worry CERB/MOD or Council (or whoever was the gatekeeper of said information) wouldn't provide the client's information for that section. Most SPs/MAs wouldn't go to the police, but they would definitely post the information there to warn other providers. I don't mean to be obsessed with the gatekeeper stuff, and of course, it is always up to the SP/MA in question to perform their own due diligence when screening, but I worry anyway. In terms of negative reviews, the general environment on CERB, the civility we have here... I really like it. However, I haven't really been on the other *erb boards much and focus most of my energy here. I can't really provide much input but from what I've heard from other providers and clients, CERB is has a good policy in terms of reviews/recommendations. To be clear, in Samantha's OP she clearly states not all members of CERB would have to provide this information. Some users would still remain anonymous if they wanted to be. Only those willing to provide their information and pay a membership fee would be considered verified members. There would be two types of members on CERB: anonymous members and paid verified members. You could still remain anonymous to CERB if you wanted to.

Exactly what was your response to this question? I can't find it. You instead make replies that just continue your justification of your views, without actually adding or explaining your view. Troll - Urban dictionary definition One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevance to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue Straw Man - Urban dictionary definition. 2. A debate technique used to refute an opposing view by misrepresenting the opposing side and then attribute that deliberately misrepresented view to the opponents. Someone should start to write a straw man document before we can have discussion for all the details. The opposition party has conjured up a bogus image before proceeding to knock it down. They are using that bogus image or fallacy as a straw man for the false and scurrilous claim When you negotiate with a lady, you are bringing shame to her, no matter what way you look at it. If a lady wants to open the negotiation with you, that is her choice, however, when you start the negotiation, it never amounts to any good. BTW, the new numbers are even higher in favor of not negotiating...90.5% say no, (38 replies), 7% say yes (3 replies) and 2% on the fence (1 reply) So, I truly understand why you don't get it.

That made me think of something else: can you imagine if turn-about was fair play and there was an expectation that clients were expected to post their face pictures online too?

A while back an SP elsewhere stated that she was thinking of introducing BBBJ to increase her business. I said this same thing to her: whatever you, or any woman decides for that matter, it needs to be for you, by you & as a result of careful consideration, an educated choice, weighing the pros & cons & most importantly, is it one you can live with? Don't base this decision on any pressure from outside, be it men or another SP & certainly don't do it for the money. When we choose any path that is vastly different to the one we are on now out of need as opposed to want, it rarely ends well. In the end, no one else will be dealing with the consequences but you. And that means any change you make, not just photos. Good luck. Sandi

I have immense respect for ladies who show their faces. It's fearless & emits such confidence that I am in awe. My photos consist of partial profile shots, ones that show only my eyes, my hair or a hat covering my face, or just a smile. My hope is that this is a good start where the description I offer can be seen as true by a gentleman, as best I can. But showing my whole face is simply not in my comfort zone. I love what I do, my friends & sister know, but I also have other work in the public sector. It isn't about me being confronted but the where it could happen. I can't have that discussion at work. And while I have bumped into a few clients in my private life, they have always been discreet since, insofar as privacy, they had more to lose. That isn't the case if some random person saw me on the net. And my photos are not altered so they look exactly like I do every day. But even if the above were not a consideration, the most honest reason is that if I were to be outted, as it were, I have 2 parents that don't know. Would they still love me? Of course. I was raised a great deal overseas where escorting is not only legal, protected & structured, some ladies pay more taxes than doctors & lawyers. Neither has ever said a disparaging word about women this industry & believe the Canada & the U.S. models & views to be puritanical & idiotic. But I am in Vancouver & given our sad history of issues involving women in this business, they would worry non stop. So I just don't think they need to know & I certainly don't need to feel I've stressed them into a heart attack. But to the ladies that are out & proud, major kudos for your bravery. Sandi

But this I don't get. If you are dealing with a reputable sp/ma then you already know "real" info about her, that is if you've done your research. She or he will have divulged all pertinent details concerning themselves and their locale upon confirming the appointment so why the reluctance in giving a last name? I just don't understand how any sp/ma could confirm a clients validity with just a first name, references aside. Again I understand a mans concerns when it comes to his discretion but that is what professional sp's are out to protect the most after of course their own safety. Any sp/ma that would divulge clients details would be quickly outed and ruined imo.

For someone who solely considers seeing a woman by her appearance photo can be deceiving. With photoshop, make-up and even professional photography it's easily enhanced or you see what they want you to see. My point is you should never judge a book by its cover, it doesn't mean you can't have a face shot. As for me it not a deal breaker. Beside I like it when the door open and my jaw drops to the ground. I like to chose who I see more on personality and if I think we are going to clic. Btw for those who do chose have face shot. I admire your courage and you have my upmost respect.

Oh heaven help me on this one. Back to two very important points one of which I make every time someone posts a poll on here. Their are people who make very good livings making questionnaires and polls. The reason for that is that it is a well documented science and to post a bias free poll takes a lot of forethought and analysis. On the poll, with all due respect to mod, the question is wrong, and misleading. The question should be: : "Is it OK to negotiate, or it is wrong to negotiate." The qualifiers about advertising are red herrings that appeal to personal bias. Their are other qualifiers that would give a different result. On top of that, posting a flawed poll after this thread has been active so long is not valid either. A lot of people who got tired of the arguing will not come back to this thread or offer their opinion. Others won't answer what they see as a poll that can be misleading or misinterpreted. Sorry, but that is true. And even then, it misses the key point I have made now three times. Despite all the "it is a different kind of service", " I am selling companionship only" disclaimers etc., if a provider offers any service as a special, offers different rates for different services, offers certain services at a discount or premium, offers special rates, duo rates etc.. then they are treating the service they sell as a commodity. When you do that, then people negotiate. That is how a free market works. If you don't want to discount, then say, "no negotiating" and stick to your guns. The problem is, as I have said before, some will not hang up. They want the money, so they will haggle, and then complain about it later. It takes two to negotiate, and if you say no, give the reason why, and hang up, then what is the issue? I know what it is, but I am not going to open that can of worms. As for the comments about how different this service/job is, the emotional toll, the stigma etc. Well this is not the only job that presents that challenge. Ask a paramedic who has to respond to a multi-vehicle accident how they feel about their day; or a fire fighter who has to rush into a burning building to try and save lives or worse carry out the victims of the fire, often children; or the police office who has to answer a domestic violence call, with all the drama that entails; or a soldier who watches as some ass blows up a school full of children because women are allowed to attend, or has to tie a tourniquet around his good buddy's leg because he stepped on a land mine; or a support worker in a palliative care facility knowing all their patients are going to die; or a mental health worker who has to deal with people who's behaviour is erratic, dangerous, confusing, frustrating, because of the nature or their illness; etc. etc. And all of those very essential people, all negotiate their salaries, pay or benefits. And they more likely than not get taken for granted and get very little thanks for the job they do. For example the infamous Rae Days in Ontario, where most of those folks got an unexpected, unpaid, vacation so the premier could balance the budget. I am going to shut up now, other than to say, if you commodify your service then don't get surprised when people negotiate. If you don't want to negotiate then end the conversation don't offer specials, don't offer a list of acronyms of what you provide. Ranting on here is never going to solve your problem, and for me, it just tells me who I want to avoid.

I do prefer to see a gals face, but respect her privacy. I prefer to see a picture where the face is hidden by her hair, a hat, her arm, or in shadows. I'm not fond of fuzzy pictures where the face is blurred. My eyes will keep trying to focus and I'll get a head ache. Here some examples of images I really like where her head is vsible, but the face is not shown. Her privacy is protected, but you get a better sense of the ladies overall appearance. This lady uses a hat to hide her face. So the viewer sees her beautiful hair, but no details of her head. http://www.torontopassions.com/spdir/opensp/id/1283453233e6ec826fbb854e06be1bc4938421fa43. This image of Grace Miller from GOE uses shadows to hide her face. This photo of Sophie, also from GOE uses her hair to hide her face. I can still she those kissable lips, but not enough of her face to recognize her from her photograph. That's my view anyway.

I completely agree. The reason I am here, and take the time to read and comment on various threads here, is because there is no hidden rooms where guys are permitted to bash and trash and lie about sps, and that they have absolutely no chance to do it publically either. The thing about this that I've seen is that the really bad guys work very very hard at setting their reputations up, their post counts increased, and their credibility and believability amongst the readers of forums. The really bad element knows to do this first, so that later on they can use their position to intimidate, threaten and coerce new sps into doing what they want, whether that is getting them to do things they don't provide, doing sessions for free, or deep discounts, all under the threat of posting bad reviews. I don't think a week goes by that some sp isn't threatened by a review board guy, with or without good credibility, about posting bad reviews if they don't get what they want. There was a high post count high review poster on one of the erbs in the past year or two, who was working with another guy, and their goal was to get bbfs by any means necessary from sps. I've seen how the p411 and datecheck sites work, and for myself, i don't book by pm handles or anonymous numbers, the person has to phone me, show their phone number have a conversation. I don't hold much interest in the verification process on those sites because they don't know what I care about in screening clients. Having said that I think it would be quite helpful tho, on a non safety issue, for sps who do need references before booking appointments and where the guy either doesn't have any, doesn't have any current ones, and/or has them, but the sp can't reach the reference sps for an answer about him, or there isn't time to get replies, etc. it's more like a short cut reference check alternative, in other words.

I've got one for you. My niece is around 3 or so, and sometimes she says and does things that are frankly kinda creepy. She sometimes talks about life experiences and things as if she had experienced these things herself, even though it is impossible. I've only witnessed one episode of this type first hand although have been told several. The one I witnessed pertains to ghosts though. My brother and his family, as well as myself were visiting at my mothers house. My niece was talking to my mother, and she said "Grandma, I like coming here, sometimes when I come here my friend is here". My mom asked her which friend, and named a couple of little girls that sometimes come to play when my nieces and nephew come to visit. My niece said "No, his name is Frank". Everyone looked at each other, because none of us knew any kids named Frank, so my mom asked what Frank looked like, and my niece pointed to a picture of my grandparents, and said "that's Frank, and he is saying that lady is named Greta". Of course she had the names right, but she had never met my grandparents, since they had both died before she was born. My brother asked her what she meant by the way she phrased that part about 'he is saying' and didn't she mean to say 'he said' , and she said "no he is saying it, he's right there" and pointed just over my moms shoulder. Needless to say it gave everyone a shock, especially my mom, who already says that sometimes she feels like grandpa is still around. The skeptic in me says that it was just her memory of someone talking about the picture in front of her coupled with her very active imagination, but I'm not entirely convinced that is the explanation.

If your wording in this isn't meant as I'm taking it then I'll apologize for what I have to say, but I find your statement so blaze that it caught me off guard and offended me. She was worthy at her 10 position but know that she is a "shadow" oh well! Surely at the beginning this person must have displayed some evidence of her addition or did her beauty just blind you? I find with some men, and not necessarily you, if a girl is a rocket any other negativities about her will be overlooked and possibly fed, when the beauty is gone well so is the mans desire to be around her, she's used up so time to move on to the next. I see you have tried to help as you said you drove her to a rehab clinic and dealing with addicts is a long difficult struggle but never just an oh well. It is very sad to see anyone fall into despair, drugs or other harmful behaviors but these people are still worthy, beautiful and valuable just in need of help, support and understanding. I think client sp relationships are best kept at the professional level, but that's just my personal opinion .

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Personally, from a guy's, well this guy's point of view, intimate dates with a professional companion are not about anonymous sexual encounters. On the balance sheet it is a case of a man's privacy versus a lady's safety No brainer, safety trumps privacy each and every time. Put another way you want a lady to be alone with you intimately, requiring the utmost of trust of the man on her part, but the man doesn't trust her with basic verification information like his name, really if you think about it, doesn't make much sense, jmho. And I say this as a man who in my newbie days held the view that my privacy was paramount. I was educated to verification, and why it was needed, and one benefit for the man, well two. First I have met many wonderful companions. Second, it went a far way to establishing trust, even before we met. And my privacy has never been of concern to me Now providing this information to an escort review/recommendation board another matter. What if the review/recommendation board changes owners, who then "owns" my information. And who knows who actually sees my information at the board, the Mod, Town Council,, at times we have seen the board have technical issues, so any repair people, hackers. I'm comfortable letting a lady see my information prior to a date. But how many would really have access to this information on a board that I personally don't know and it's that unknown I'm not comfortable with A rambling RG

I agree with the points Nathalie brought up about screening issues, although an SP would not obligated to accept the board verified client, you will still get a small but vocal group of these paid members that will expect their subscription entitles them to skip this screening. Sadly no amount of disclaimers or terms of contract will prevent those guys from asking, pestering or annoying the ladies to avoid the screening process - for many it will be nothing more than refusal on principle. These time vampires may be very small in number but suck up a disproportionate amount of time. In terms of negative reviews, I would not want the ability to write them nor would I like to read anyone else's negative reviews. My problem with negative reviews are that they highly subjective and may still be written out of spite. Mind you if the person has registered they may not be as vulgar, rude or over the top in their negative review but an undeserved negative review is still undeserved. If negative reviews were allowed would the ladies have an opportunity to set the record straight or give their side. I guess at the end of the day I like the positive atmosphere that CERB has fostered and would not like that to change.

I haven't thought this through completely. There are many things that should be considered and so I think a good discussion can only be helpful if my idea has much merit at all. It may not! But it's been on my mind for quite awhile, so I thought it could be worth talking about. I can't imagine why board verification would replace a companion's own screening requirements. I'm sure that some verified members might think that it's better to disclose their information to the board management than to a paid companion, but that would be their right. Whether a lady would decide to see a man under those circumstances would be up to her, as well. Knowledgeable gentlemen should recognize how exceedingly rare it is for a paid companion to reveal their clients' identities to anyone. When men have been outed in the US, it's often because the police have acquired a copy of a Madam's black book, not because the SPs involved have reported them. There are three major verification sites. I haven't found any references to their databases being compromised, which is reassuring. To become a member of one of those sites requires providing personal information that can be verified by the site OR references from other companions. They say that, once verified, they destroy the records. If that's true--and it probably is--all it means is that the individual gave the site information that was proven to be true and accurate. It doesn't mean that he gave accurate information to an SP. I've had clients who cited membership numbers for P411 and Date Check, but they were all Americans and they also gave me personal details at the same time, which I checked out myself. I didn't feel pressured to accept them as clients, however. Their complete disclosure does matter to me, though, and I did see each of them at least once. I agree! I don't think it would be up to Mod or the Council to decide whether an allegation was likely to be true or not, or what is or is not assault. However, if the lady has filed a police report and if the police lay charges, that would be significant. Meaghan, I'm not sure how much difference reviews actually make, to be honest. There are few reviews available for many of us, myself included, largely because we're older women, curvier or don't conform to the model stereotype that some review board members seem to favour. Be that as it may, it's more than possible to have a lucrative career without a slew of reviews. I hate the negative stuff, too. Whether Cerb is interested in altering its policy I can't say, but if there was a way to be sure that posted reviews were written by people whose membership shows that they're genuinely willing to stand behind what they say, that could give their reviews a type of credibility that's not available anywhere else on the Internet as far as I can see. What concerns me most is when some group of anonymous board members decide to launch a vendetta against a well-reviewed lady, often in the explicit determination to ruin her reputation. I have known several cases like this where the SP had no choice but to retire her identity and start over again, building a new one from the ground up, which is, as we know, a slow and difficult process. In the situations I know about, the women had not done anything wrong. They were simply well-known and highly-reviewed and that's what made them targets. Meanwhile, there are no consequences for the anons.

I do not support this idea from the information, thoughts and ideas I have read so far, but I am keeping an open mind and I am interested to follow the discussion to see how it progresses.

Samantha you are such a brilliant genius. I find it interesting when I visit some sites to set up my profile, that they require me to provide really intimate and revealing information about me. However, these same sites will let a hobbyist register without any type of screening. I would love the day when everyone has to provide verified information. Date of birth, Real name, Real address, Real information about who they are. I agree, when dealing with areas outside of Canada, their screening is so much stricter. However, their laws are also so much stricter, that both parties have so much to loose. Here in Canada, it seems that because Prostitution is legal, so many seem to think that it is ok to bullshit their way through by providing false information. I am however, thankful that this forum is a positive zone in an otherwise potentially negative industry. The moment that cerb lets negative reviews, is the day I close my account. I can't stand seeing the crap on some sites. I weep for those that are dragged through the mud because some guy decides he wants to "make that bitch pay".

Thank you Miss Sophia V's, I thought maybe I was in the wrong, but I don't want a bad review anywhere but also don't want people to think they can get anything free off of me. I did not take my full fee as I did not provide the "Full Service" per say...I took what I thought was fair.. That an I have a right to not want to see a client especially after being called names, which I did agree to "Dirty Talk" but didn't expect to be called a stupid bitch and then be told to thank him for the "Compliment". I have never experienced that ever, I have always had very respectful men come to see me, this was the one and only time I have ever walked away from an appointment. Anyone who knows me, knows I am majorly laid back and super easy to get along with..

Miss Charlotte, NOT AT ALL, the reason being, if you do, you may find yourself in the same dilemma in the future. If this person get's away with this now, then what stops them from doing it again and again? Eventually you have nothing to negotiate! I have to add, it is paramount for each of us, to clearly explain our boundaries and limitations. To clearly define what we expect out of an encounter with each other.

It is all about your OWN predicament and what you are intending to do with your choice as an SP. I have represented many nice, honest and lovely women that just need require more discretion and privacy then some of the other ladies. Women that are in transition. Like changing cities, or leaving a relationship behind, your home, your job. This sometimes is WHY we wont show face pics. Also, why not to getting to know us more by learning about what kind of girl we are, what do really have to offer? Are you attracted with my personality...or just a body, then a face? At times, we need to have our identity more protected then others. I CHOOSE to show my face, as I have myself open to the people in my life that need to know my lifestyle. I have also legitimately established my business. I do not have a secrete life to protect.

I totally understand the need for privacy and understand why you gals cover you face or hide it. I prefer to be able to see a gals face, but its not a deal breaker. Anyway, Its kind of fun to meet a gal for the first time and finally see what she really looks like. Its funny I showed a picture of a escort to a friend and she reacted negatively to the missing head -- something along the line of interpreting it as dehumanizing the gal or objectifying her. It was funny. I explained the missing head is entirely for privacy (and safety).

I show my face on my pictures, well mostly. I don't have any shame about what I do, and anyways it's not like I am not easy recognize with bright blue and pink hair and rather unique tattoos. If people recognize me online...well they were actually looking for it. Plus I already do some nude modelling, so this is not much more of a stretch

Thank you Meghan for this thread as I didn't know about the border issues. Good to know as I've considered being a driver/transporter for some of the rescue groups who bring dogs in from the states. I'd like to be completely open about this lifestyle as I certainly am not ashamed of it but I have people in my life that I love and know would be hurt to know I'm doing this, sadly enough, and don't want to involve them so I keep some anonymity. There are some smart asses out there who'll say you must be ugly if you don't show your face but one can't live on others opinions or expectations. We all have to do what we are comfortable with and I am comfortable showing my naked body, anyways, by the time I finish with this it'll probably be unrecognizable anyways, lol!!

face pictures are not a deal breaker for me altho I do like to see a ladies hair.

Thats a good idea. BTW i have 42 posts in over 3 years here. Not much of a mission here. People have been asking for replies so I'm replying.

I hope it isn't a deal breaker, since I think the majority of clients would soon find themselves out of sps to see. I haven't seen a significant increase of legit (as in not using fake pics) sps using face pics, and there has always been both a combination of sps who are new to the biz and doing it without understanding the consequences in the future along with the higher end type escorts where this is actually the norm rather than the exception. For most of us, it isn't an option to even consider. I'd certainly never agree to send over the internet a photo of myself to a potential client. I find the main reason guys even ask for any pics is they are up to no good, picture collectors, not legit callers, etc. I suggested to someone else once who is OK with face pics but had the same cross border concerns you have to put the pics into a private gallery on her site, and then the only ones who gain access to the face photos have to go thru her first, register on her site, or whatever they would have to do. That would keep her face pic from just being out there easily accessible to border security or even family members doing some kind of tin eye search (i don't know why they would do this, people are strange, especially when they are family, it is just an example of what's the worst that could happen lol)

I've made some really big decisions this week and wrote about them in my blog. Some of you will be surprised, some won't. This really felt like the best thing for me right now. Love, Nat xox http://lovely-nathalie.com/blog/

I had the pleasure of being at other CMJ parties, but last night was my first in a while, and I was glad I dropped in. The ladies looked stunningly sexy in their grass skirts, or some were just wearing bikini's:) Not only are the ladies so gorgeous, after watching some perfomances last night the ladies are very talented as well. Sephora belted out a tune for us, and what a voice she has, and not to mention a great body as I got to meet her and chat with her. Lilith gave us magic tricks, playing with cards, banana's and a gents 20 dollar bill. :) Lastly my evening started out with a couple of pops, and the music came on (One of my very favorite songs) "You can leave your hat on" by Joe Cocker, and on stage performing a great strip tease was Britanny. She is one great performer,and knows how to use the dance pole. Britanny and Holly decided to give us another show..a sensual sexy duo! It was simply delicious! So much so, I had to ask Britanny for 2 lap dances. ;) I got to meet a lot of the staff from West location and the East and some ladies I've already met. It was a pleasure to meet, Mandy,Audrey,Cassie,Lilith,Justine,Holly,Courtney,Kiki,Sephora Nadja,Molly and of course not forgetting the very hard working Vicki last night who was without doubt, very busy with bookings during the party and some with assistance. I spend 3 hours there last night, no intimate times with any ladies, just a meet and greet for me, and I was certainly happy to meet quite a few of the stunning ladies of CMJ. It was a absolute pleasure ladies, you CMJ ladies rock! Cheers to Jasmin and Vicki! I'm glad to be long time member of CMJ

I just wanted to give a give a big shout out to Katherine and Penelope for doing a bang up job organizing this year's social. I know things were a bit rocky for awhile, but you managed to pull it off in spades! It was great seeing old friends again, as well as meeting some new ones. It's so nice to be able to spend some quality social time with trusted and respected members of our little community. I hope it's a tradition that will continue...

Because us guys enjoy them so,update your album (lol)

When you feel horny, update your album :)

What makes you think they don't look at this site? I know for a fact they do as I have spoken with police in the past in regards to the site. In fact a very nice lady police investigator contacted us not too long ago asking for assistance in a case. Now, your new so I suspect you think prostitution is illegal right? We watch a lot of american TV and prostitution in Canada (unlike MOST of the USA) is very much legal here. In canada streetwalking (public solicitation), brothels (common bawdy houses) and pimping/procuring is illegal. The actual exchange for money for sex in private is very much legal and since a website is not considered a PUBLIC PLACE discussing and advertising such activities in classified ads and online is NOT illegal. We do not allow discussions of illegal nature here. Included on this list is - streetwalkers - FS massage spa's - public brothels - sex in public (including "Car dates") - underage (18 is the legal age) - drugs - pimping and so on... Hope that helps

I'm not a CMJ regular, far from it, but i've been attending some of CMJ's monthly parties recently, out of curiosity, and they certainly can throw them! This reco is a bit overdue. I visited CMJ at their June party, and, like their Luau party, it was a great one. As a last minute decision (excendingly rare for me), i spent some time with Brittney after seeing her pole show. As a previous dancer, her dancing skills show, and she is full of energy - she likes to dance and it shows! Spending some time with Brittney was quite fun, and its easy to see she'll become quite popular! If you have a chance while at CMJ, book some time with her. Cheers!

Excellent point, mentors are an invaluable fountain of knowledge and experience. They can help shine a guiding light and provide great perspectives on your dillema.. Mentors are important for all career paths. Treasure the ones you find and work well with.

Pretty much anything I bought from "As seen on Tv" ads I really do want a Slap Chop though ;) Oh ya and the house I bought from my Grandpa and Grandma that my ex-wife figured she deserved and now owns.... that one I don't regret buying the house ......but regret buying the ex-wife a drink at a social the very first night we met which somehow led to lots of sex and a wedding ring and then no sex and a divorce...haha Apparently what was mine was actually hers !!! missed that memo

I completely understand and respect the reasoning behind ladies not wanting to reveals their face. I know that some ladies don't mind privately sharing such a picture and so I will sometimes politely ask them directly, but won't push it if they refuse. As for if its a deal breaker... Obviously not, FO's point is valid, there aren't enough SPs out there that show their faces for that to really be a viable option, especially where I am. However I do find that adding the face pics to be immensely helpful to my decision making process. If I'm being completely honest, face pics have helped sway me in both directions when I was stuck making a decision. Sometimes I would have otherwise arranged a meeting, but decided against it due to the face pics not being to my liking and other times when a girl whom I wouldn't have seen normally adds face pics I become enchanted and book something. In general, from a purely customer perspective, I think face pics are a good thing as it allows me to make a more informed decision. Even when I decide against seeing someone in the end it will have saved me some money and her a potentially awkward session she could have spent with someone who does appreciate her look. Thinking on it, it does make one look rather shallow, but ultimately, I'm the one spending my hard earned money and so I think I'm entitled to my decision making process ;). Brad, as soon as a lady offers to pay me for my time I'll start considering adding pics :P.