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I really like what you posted here Cleo. I personally just can't and won't do short encounters like this , but, I don't think that's what these threads about short versus longer encounters end up about anyway (that is the direction this thread has taken); that is, personal preference and mere discussion about the ins and outs of such service offerings. They clearly take on a tone of debasement and abjection and we should all know by now who the stigma largely clings to. To be clear, this statement is not about reducing any one particular comment made by my fellow members to a sum total judgement, but rather, reflects an observation about the overall character such discussion has taken on....and, tends to take on... I was contacted recently by a man who wanted a half hour session with me. When I informed him it was a one hour minimum, he became irate and disrespectful and continued on trying to negotiate obtaining my services anyway...as though I was some sort of irritating pylon to get by to get by to reach his single-minded end-goal. When I told him it was clear to me we were not a good fit due to the hostility I was sensing, he proceeded to tell me I was essentially a 'fat cum dump anyway'. I was astonished. Some say I shouldn't be; that such qualifying, hateful remarks are all around and to be expected here and there if I'm going to remain in the industry. It doesn't matter if it was transparent and pathetic; after all, he'd been interested and turned on enough to contact me! It still hurt, and went to the core of my being. I agree with you, Nicolette (Vaughn), that it is truly upsetting when men seeking our services do not respect our boundaries.....who assert an automatic sense of entitlement to access our time and our bodies without respect for the business model we are going by and the parameters we have set. There is a word for what underpins this; misogyny. This hateful phone call and the length of session of offer, while seemingly a crux of the conflict, was not the problem. So, again, and this is not directed at anyone in particular (at all!), the tone of this kind of discussion so often ends up stigmatizing (mainly) Service Providers while doing little else... Like folks such as Cleo & Kathryn Bardot have highlighted: seek out the services you wish to access, and take the time to inform yourself in advance via ads and personal websites about what is on offer. And, be prepared to accept our answers! And, at the level of our participation on the forum, let's be mindful of how our words and ideas transform themselves from mere subject content and 'free' and 'open' discussion to qualifying value judgments about the relative value of our colleagues, and the customers they bring pleasure to. Service Providers have their reasons for doing things the way they do. It is a highly competitive industry out there. Socio-economic privilege and access to certain markets play a huge role here, as do the personal motivations and short and long term economic goals and needs of SPs in making such determinations about how to run their businesses. Service Providers need our thoughtful care, affirmation and concern. Let's start more threads about that! My two cents! :-) Peace, Anna Additional Comments: p.s. my reference to the helpful commentary offered by Kathryn Bardot on this kind of topic comes from a similarly themed thread entitled "How about 20 or 40 minutes option?"...just wanted to clarify :-)

JoyfulC, I understand where you're coming from, but I think the stigmatization of clients has another effect that we aren't taking into consideration here. When clients are stigmatized, and we don't fight that stigma, it can (and does) lead to their criminalization. There are lots of 'John sweeps' happening in Canada and they don't always happen in the context of outdoor/visible sex work. In Canada we seem to be moving towards a model of regulation that would criminalize the clients of sex workers, but not the sex workers themselves (known as the 'Swedish' model, because this is the system that exists in a lot of Nordik countries). It's easy to criminalize clients if society thinks they're 'gross' (etc). That's another reason why I think it's important to destigmatize clients...

There is no way to separate the two and there are already effective laws on the books for both. Human trafficking is trafficking whether it's for a field worker, house keeper, machine operator or sex worker. No need to change them, simply enforce them. If anything, our trafficking laws victimize the sex worker even more. They are arrested, held in detention then deported while still owing the broker that brought them in for the visa and other costs which they will never be able to pay off once they are back home. And in all honesty the numbers used to support changing the human trafficking laws are so outlandish it's staggering. Once again the Steven Harper gov't proves how truly out of touch they are... cat

Just came to read this thread for the first time and... OUCH people! Wow is all i can say to some of these responses. I used to regularly offer 15-minute encounters when I started in the industry. A lot of guys liked it as a 'quick introduction' and would book longer the next time. They NEVER made me feel cheapened or like cum dumpster. I don't offer them regularly anymore (I don't really offer anything less than an hour) because I personally prefer longer encounters - but I would never, EVER judge someone for wanting a quick release. And I definitely would never demean a woman for offering it. If you need more than 15 minutes, great! You're in a place where many ladies specialize in longer encounters. The 'full experience' so to speak. But some guys can only afford a quick bj. Or maybe their SO is watching their time so really that's all they can fit in. ANd maybe the SP needs to money to pay her rent. If it doesn't work for you, then find what works - but why in the world are people judging and saying things like 'Okay great, glad to see people don't want these encounters'. All you're doing in insulting the people who DO, and the girls who DO offer them. And you know what? I do have one regular gent who pops in when he can for a quick BJ. I like it. He walks in, I get on my knees, and I get him off. Do you think that cheapens me? If you do, I shake my head at you, seriously. I thought this site was the place to keep it to yourself if you're not saying anything nice... well judging and insulting others for their choice of encounters is doing the exact opposite.

Considering the recent discussions here on CERB about fat/skinny body shaming, I wanted to share this amazing website that I came across today! "The Nu Project is a series of honest nudes of women from all over the world. The project began in 2005 and has stayed true to the original vision: no professional models, minimal makeup and no glamour. The focus of the project has been and continues to be the subjects and their personalities, spaces, insecurities and quirks." It is quite a remarkable collection of photographs of a wide variety of real women. It is a showcases and celebrates the beauty in ALL women's bodies, in their natural state. All unique and beautiful in their own way! :) www.thenuproject.com Enjoy!

Respectfully, Nicolette, there is a difference between saying "it makes me feel like xxx" and using a phrase such as "a device" or "As an SP, I offer an "experience" not to be a "cum bucket" for someone's release for lack of better words." Especially the last statement. It can be read as "providers who do offer 15 minute sessions don't offer an 'experience', they are just 'cum dumpsters'." I don't offer 15 minute sessions. I don't like them, they are not for me. But that is the extent to which I will speak to that in public, because I don't know my audience. What I say in private to friends who know me, and know that I am speaking only of my own feelings and experiences... that may be something else. I don't want to alienate providers who do offer these sessions, for whatever reason, or the clients who seek them out. Your two hour booking may be someone else's 15 minute client. That client is still the same person, and that provider is still another person, like yourself, who works as a sex worker. You just do it in different ways, and market to different clientele.

Just read this now. Respectfully Cleo, it was not my intent to insult other ladies who offer 15 min appts. I was simply saying that it makes me feel a certain way ( i.e. a device for a quick release rather than feeling like I'm being treated like a person) and especially since I DON'T offer these sessions and make it quite clear in my ads. Receiving these requests after those who don't decide to fully read my ad is annoying and shows that they clearly are dismissive of my boundaries. And imo, that is the height of ignorance. Those are my feelings and we are all entitled to what we feel and what we are willing to offer and not offer. While you may feel differently, we are all different and provide different experiences as service providers.

All these time increments! I'm guessing this suggestion may be tongue in cheek. What's next, taxi style metres?

Get em in Get em up Get em off Get em out That's what a 15 minute session is all about. Not much fun for the lady.

I just wanted to know that you've noticed any changes in your life since you started seeing MA's or SP's. I know in my case that I used to by shy with women and now I'm not. I seem to have more confidence in myself and walk with my head up more. I've started noticing women looking at me and smiling at me more often :). I've also started looking after my health more. I've lost a lot of weight and am more fit. Probably the best shape in my life since high school. Learning to be a better lover. Have fulfilled several fantasy in my bucket list. Have experience things that I could only dream about. Learnt to appreciated women more and how to satisfy them. Have learnt that women actually like being with me :) What changes have you seen since you started meeting MA's / SP's

Well not all sp do answer their text, e-mails or answer the phone right away when one of us calls and it is because either they are busy or some have a life outside being a sp. I don't mean sp just on bp either but on here too and I am sure you all read my non recommendation of Sexy Quebec Girl Natasha of what she done. On another note I talked to Lexi all week to set up a meeting and yes there was times she never answered right away but for the most part she was good at responding to me. I met her last night and setting up this meeting wasn't hard for me at all. When I seen her face to face, my jaw dropped to the ground and got hard instantly because she was dressed to kill with and very sexy. With the sp's I seen, Lexi tops the best dressed of all of them. I am not going to get into the juicy details of my time with her but she gives the best bj I have ever had. So give her time and be patience because she does not do this full time.

I agree with you Cat. Trafficking laws, and most major proponents of such legislation and related campaigns, including NGOs aiming to eliminate trafficking, end up reinforcing stigma, silencing and violence against migrant workers, and not just limited to sex workers.... Rarely are such efforts aimed at deconstructing or bringing redress to poverty, or unevenly enforced border control measures. We should be suspicious that, to date, very few countries, for example allow for sexual labourers who have been picked up , detained and questioned in such sweeps to actually apply for a visa to stay in that given country. Countries such as Italy are one of the few exceptions. As it stands, international protocols governing trafficking allow for only two options when a worker has been identified as trafficked (a determination often made against the will of these global citizens); you are either a victim or a criminal. And, once you have provided your information, you are then of little value to authorities (and researchers) and are swiftly deported. This provides no meaningful way for those who are being harmed, or who seek protections, including under the law, to meaningfully report their concerns to authorities or even access supportive services. It should be added that these problems are made possible through a whole variety of laws, including, by the way, under what has been often termed the 'stripper visa' policy aimed largely at women seeking to tour as exotic dancers in Canada", and are no longer able to as they are being denied working visas which were previously being granted....of course, driving the truly problematic situations further underground, and making illegals out of workers trying to make a living. Such a law, while purportedly aimed at helping to eliminate the trafficking of women and girls, and deceitful fronts for prostitution, actually does nothing helpful in terms of any of this...more sensationalism, more patronizing policies that do nothing to accord voice, dignity, labour and human rights to those affected. I also agree with mistert, in that, we will have to see how the current legal challenges pan out to know what the implications are. For example, if the 'prostitution' laws currently under scrutiny are struck down by the highest Court (i.e. the Supreme Court of Canada, which is binding) and, in the process, sex workers consequentially have a foothold to access human and labour rights and Constitutional recognition, then there will be some clout to wield at the policy level in terms of redefining trafficking policy, including definitions of what constitutes trafficking, who would be considered to be a trafficked person, and what options would then be available to those caught up in this net. There is also a continuum in relation to sex work and trafficking that exists that muddies the waters, in that; 1) some people are genuinely forced against their will, or tricked into migrating to a country under false pretenses; 2) some are indentured workers who know they will be doing sex work and are under obligation to repay a specific fee for being able to secure their entry into a given country, often with their passports being held or some other power play to guarantee they will comply ( ...problematic, yes, and ultimately a practice supported by oppressive legislation such as that discussed above). In such cases, the progressive sex work literature and many labour activists attest to the fact that many of these workers (not just women I might add) would still choose this situation over remaining in their countries of origin as they are seeking mobility and increased economic opportunities, and to be reunited with family members/loved ones). Due to personal resourcefulness , the assistance of organizations and sometimes even clients, workers are often able to manage transitioning into a less controlled working situation...And, with a more empowering and redefined trafficking policy scope, this has the potential to improve the odds for folks significantly; 3) some of these people are straight up travelling sex workers, quite informed and largely mobile (however undercover and trickily navigated) who have entered countries to work and make money, and still face the threat of being picked up in these sweeps and being made subject to such laws, regardless of the fact that what they are doing...how they see what they are doing....as sex work...as real work that has meaningful purchase in their lives; and, 4) there are those whose personal circumstances have the potential to cut across more than one, or even all of these categories and realms of experience; who may, in fact, have experienced circumstances of profound coercion, or perhaps, indenturement, but who move into other circumstances, including in making a more empowered choice to participate in some form of sex work. (On the last point) This is not uncommon at all...just like it is not uncommon for sex workers who may have always been in the country, and who may have worked in a more marginalized venue, to then have their circumstances change and engage the opportunity to work in another venue. In the course of my community activism, I've been privy to many stories such as this...And, in the case of grassroots activism by labourers who would outright identify as being trafficked at some point (e.g. see the film "Tales of the night fairies"), there is a strong contingent of those who go on to assert, regardless of potential continued marginalization, that 'yes, "I am now a sex worker" who makes choices every day to continue to participate in the industry'. The understanding that "money talks and bullshit walks" carries great currency in the lives of those who engage in erotic labour and who continue to be patronized and harmed by such oppressive measures and attitudes. Of course, in such hopefulness for some structural policy changes or a favorable court ruling, it's important not to get romantic about the system...the current political party system, the courts or legislature... international governance practices, as they have been powerful forces in securing the oppression and economic disadvantage of so many historically oppressed communities...not to mention gross platforms for politicians to self-ingratiate themselves in the media...while, of course, having no meaningful vested interest or concern for the health and human rights of those they speak for, including sex working citizens....wherever a given worker sits on the continuum. As I heard former Executive Director of Maggie's in Toronto recently state at a sex work conference: 'so long as we have difficulty making a connection between the worker who has parted from their own family to come to this country to take care of the children of some affluent couple; the agricultural worker who has lost their ability to farm back home and is now stuck in a compound picking the potatoes we eat every day; and the lived reality of a sex worker, we will collectively remain the self-fulfilling subjects of our own ignorance' (Keisha Scott, indirect, condensed quote). We cannot afford to do this.

The one major stereotype that I had about this lifestyle was completely wrong...that seeing companions was just about anonymous sexual encounters. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact some ladies don't just know my personal information needed for verification/screening, a couple know even more more Trust issues, the majority of ladies I see I trust, a couple I completely trust without reservation. To put in perspective I work in a law enforcement field (and isn't everyone in law enforcement supposed to be trustworthy and above reproach?). I find the ladies I see FAR MORE trustworthy than the vast majority of people I work with Definitely with the caveat that ALWAYS respect a lady's boundaries, but when I began in this lifestyle, I never thought a SP/Client could be friends. I thought that the relationship despite it's intimate nature stayed professional. What a pleasant surprise that in some cases friendships can develop, friendships as important as those in "civilian" life. And encounters are far more than just about sex. I personally like longer encounters, it has allowed dates to have time for a social, conversation, connection time. And it has made sex more enjoyable, being intimate with a woman you have spent time getting to know and she know you. This lifestyle has me involved in the most honest, healthy, meaningful and upfront relations I have had with women with no strings, no guilt and no drama A quick rambling RG

Death anniversaries- My Dads is soon approaching :( I try to remain positive by remembering all the good times but lets face it there is nothing positive or nice about losing and missing a loved one. Additional Comments: Sorry to hear that, unless there was an emergency..... sadly clients do this too. Some people are just plain rude and thoughtless-me people- they always come first and never will they accept blame for anything. I'm not saying that is this persons case, but you certainly deserve an explanation and most certainly an apology at the very least!

Thanks for posting this Brad. :) Unbelievable. Along with most other things in life, I actually do notice a trend in women's photography going towards the more natural, untouched route. I think people want to look at something that is real. People are talking about it more too. When I post to the various photo threads here on CERB, I, (and some other gents too), do my best to post beautiful photos that represent a wide variety of women, from different nationalities, ages and body types. It's not too hard to find, since there are many websites these days dedicated to a the "real" women look. And "real" doesn't necessarily mean "curvy", because some women are naturally thin, and that is beautiful too. We come in all shapes and sizes. Real just means photos that are untouched, more natural, sometimes imperfect, and represent a healthy, happy woman who is comfortable with her body. The kind of women you might actually see in real life. One of my new favourite sites that I get photos from is http://realgirlsaresexy.tumblr.com. There is over a thousand pages of beautiful everyday women, representing a wide variety of looks.

A thoughtful post JoyfulC and one I've been considering, but I think I'd like to disagree, at least in part. I'm certainly not in a position to suggest I know your business more than you do, but would it not be more fair to say that it is discretion which offers the protection you speak of, not stigma? And while discretion can protect a person from being stigmatized, the stigma does not I think help with discretion. After all, stigma or no, you should indeed be able to walk around unbothered and keep private what is private--but should also be able to do so without fear of judgement. Doing away with the stigma doesn't mean a person has to announce they are a professional companion or gent who sees one. What happens between consenting adults is their own private business (be they a married couple or a hobbyist/service provider). The stigma doesn't provide discretion so much as it just means that the stress and consequences of not being discrete are more serious. I would agree with you that it is important and comforting that at least those of us in this community know the stigmas are wrong. But to answer the question you pose I don't think that this is enough. In part it is because we are directly affected by the views of society at large, whatever we ourselves know to be true. Society working under misguided ideas is what can lead to unfair laws and persecution; how often does society actually increase the risk for the very people it claims it is protecting because of its misguided notions? I also agree it is good to have the self confidence to know for yourself who you are and not be affected by the judgement of others, but it is not so easy for everyone, and either way it takes energy that could be better spent elsewhere. Consider other groups that have often been stigmatized by society or considered perverts for their behaviour. Sometimes these groups can take comfort in knowing the truth, but how often does a person internalize--maybe unconsciously--some guilt or fear? In the long run is it not always healthier for them as well as society at large when it is realized that, at the end of the day if no one is being hurt, we're all just people?

Most won't care, as it's clear from his post what he meant and the main person-Cleo- who he was thanking knows what he means so.. I think it's sweet and very nice of him to post such a truthful and flattering post. We all make spelling boboo's but we all don't thank one another enough;) Congrats to you for popping your hobby cherry and to Cleo for making it so memorable:)

I am not outcall only. I found the number of no shows and or fake bookings I was receiving to cost me a significant enough amount of time and cash that I was no longer interested in maintaining the financial burden of a 4 star hotel several times a week. Having damaged credit from the past leaves me stuck paying with cash. The cash deposit alone to book a 4 star hotel ranges from 100-250. I can't prebook with credit card for discounted room rates, so am left paying 159-209 on average per night. So coughing up nearly 500 a night to host from hotel incall and having multiple no shows or missed appointments is not My alternatives to outcalls are that the gentlemen consider booking the room for the length of encounter. Provided we have spoken and agreed upon it,I sometimes will split the cost of the room and the gentlemen need only to check out of room once I have left. Is the best I can do at this time

Her pics are real, but she's not that young. I can not recommend based on my experience.

If the session took 18 minutes do we round it up or down? lol

I honestly think this is going a bit too far. Having to figure out your rates by five-minute intervals (40 instead of 45, 20 instead of 15), I think all you would get in result is a clock-watching SP - because if someone wants to pay down to the minute, I think you would force your SP to ensure the timeframe isn't exceeded. Things don't need to be timed to the minute. If 30 isn't enough... go with 45. I would hope that doesn't mean anyone is looking at the clock at 37 minutes and thinking 'I'd better get my last 8 minutes worth'. I think a client should choose the amount of time that works best for him. If 30 isn't enough, choose an hour. If, when you go for an hour, you find that 40 minutes was enough, ask your SP if she offers a 45-minute rate.

For some reason I can't help but picture this: But yeah, no judgement on others, to me it sounds more stressful than fun. If I'm going to get to enjoy an encounter, I want to it to be a real experience. Hard to do that when you've given yourself less time than the previews last at a movie.

As an SP, I offer an "experience" not to be a "cum bucket" for someone's release for lack of better words. No thanks. If I'm going to be just a release for somone, they are going to be paying for it. I'm not a machine and a 15 min appt is not worth it to me since it takes the same amount of time to set up and get ready. Then there is the aspect of those trying to get more time for free and then there is the volume where how many clients are coming and going in a day. I am a very discrete person and would never allow this to happen when I can make more on a single appt alone. I'm not an avid clock watcher but when someone texts me with a laundry lists of specific acts they want for $60 for 15 mins or expect what they would get in a 30 or 60 min appt, do yourself a favor a favor and go to a street corner. I take time and pride in what I do and myself and my surroundings reflect that as well. I have no interest in doing these types of appts and contrary to men who are fans of 15 min service, you get what you pay for. In a fantasy world, if I did one of these 15 mins appts, it would be the bare minimum. Why should I go out of my way when someone is attempting to negotiate my rates? Why should I go the extra mile? I had someone text me once and said they only needed 5 mins of my time for $20. DELETE! If you're looking for a 15 min session then more power to you but don't expect the world for $60. Last year a 15 min appt was $100. Then it went to $80 and now guys are demanding $60. The reason this is happening because women let them. They get into this business with no training from an agency. They have a cell phone, put up a BP ad and call themselves an escort. Then some men bully them into giving them service for $60 -$80 and often times let manipulate them into staying overtime for the same rate. Some of these women don't know any better. The real sense of having an experience with an escort is long forgotten such as when I first started as an SP. That whole aspect has been thrown out the window and it's all about how a man can get off in the shortest amount of time with the lowest amount of cash to offer. Thankfully there are men out there who appreciate SPs and the time together.

Well I think 15 minute sessions are great...so great in fact that I always book at least 4 of them back to back! :icon_wink:

It does seem to cheapen the whole thing. For myself, i don't see the point of offering anyone a rate option for this. If someone is in a big rush or finds they don't take more than 14 minutes i don't see why they can't just take the time they want to take, and compensate the sp for the half hour, because that is the time she is providing. That is also what it is costing her to give a lower rate for a 15 minute time session, she is giving up the chance of a half hour or hour appointment for very little return. Let's be realistic, no sp offering 15 minute sessions should expect that client to be in her place more than 16 minutes door to door otherwise, why isn't he paying for a half hour?. And how can anyone reasonably expect the sp to not watch the clock, to ensure he is not taking advantage of this option, in order to stay longer but pay for less. It seems like a very fine line.

I've offered them on two occasions. 1) When I started to be an SP, I was living with roomates and had a really limited windows to offer incall so 15 minutes was better than a 4 hours session 2) When I had two regular that were clock wise, to see me two or three time a week for an in-out BJ during their lunch break. When I was in Ottawa, I used to live really close to gov building office My own personal opinion? I don'T like them. That's when I felt "use" as a whore, prostitute so to say and not as a human being , someone with feelings that may like to also receive a little of attention, be it a caress, kiss, slow lick I don't offer them anymore and will more likely soon remove the 30 minutes appointments.

Thankyou Lexy for taking the time to post this I am very upset and cannot believe someone would do that I am now currently dealing with the administrators on bp to deal with this matter as stealing someone's identity that's how I feel is a crime hopefully this matter will be dealt with soon enough and to everyone who reached out to me regarding this thankyou!

Literary, or tv/film? If they could walk off the pages, or step off the screen...who would you date/want to be friends with? I'm sure I'll think of many, many more, but the ones that come to mind are: I would date Lucas from Empire Records I would KILL to hang out with Sloane and Don from The Newsroom. I'd sit there and stare at them lovingly and gaze at them while they exchanged witty banter and infuriatingly intelligent quips.

Visited Selena last evening at her west end Kingston location. Pictures are real on BP. This was my second visit. We enjoyed each others company and had a great time. She is very skilled in oral arts. She enjoys being pleasured. I will repeat again and again.

If you missed them last time or missed my review Veronica Banks and her GF Emm are back in Kingston! :) http://kingston..........com/FemaleEscorts/veronica-banks-and-sweet-emm-return-to-kingston-sunday-23/19293745 Veronica and Emm These two beauties passed through Kingston offering a duo service that I took a chance on and haven't stopped smiling since! Veronica is a tall busty raven haired goddess with ice blue eyes and sexy piercings who is also the most lustful insatiable mynx I have ever come across! Her girlfriend Emm is short, trim and tone (with inexplicably large boobs for her body type) with deep brown eyes and chestnut hair. From the time I walked into the room it was full on delightful debauchery! Lips, hands and mouths everywhere, clothes flew in all directions and a hour later we were all a hot sweaty and completely spent mess...all except Veronica who despite needing a sip of water looked as if she wanted to do it all again! Cannot wait till they visit again!

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2004/Canada_Quiz.htm RG

My dating choices: Now if I had to pick a fictional location to live, it would have to be Wonder Woman's home Paradise Island.

Hello Gentlemen.. My name is Mandy! I have green eyes, long dark hair, and a naturally fit body...I am a classy girl, and I take care of myself very well. I've been working in the massage industry for 6 months now... My services include sexy body slides, full body massage, reverse massage and lap dances if requested!... I am very easy to talk to and have a great personality... So why not come enjoy my beautiful behind, tight body and 36C natural breasts, you will be sure to leave with a smile Feel free to check out my profile! You can find me at Paradise Spa, conveniently located in the west end of Ottawa... It is an upscale, classy and discreet spa!... Rooms include large mirrors, music, and black lights to intensify your sensual experience... In calls only please Schedule Nov 1st - Nov 2nd Saturday 3:30-9pm Please PM me to book an apt, MandyXO

Ahhhh, isn't it obvious:) She is young, natural looking and small:) Also she advertises in a way that is going to attract many-she is wearing a sexy school girl outfit, states she is a girl next door-guys love natural- or the impression she is natural and that she is young-19- all these make for the perfect combination-I'm surprised I'd have to point that out, lol. But whatever the reasons you all seem to hot on her trail so why not meet her, give her a chance-everyone deserves a fair chance and when you do suggest her to come and join cerb, that many are interested-happy But you are right in saying that there are many other great gals around as well:) What ever your choice make it the right one for you:) You hit the nail on the head Cristy. And add to that the element of mystery. Well I tried twice. I had a whole cerb pitch prepared for her. A girl can end up taking two very different paths in this business. Who ever sees her should pitch cerb. It would be nice for her to make some friends and have the benefit of some guildence from the cerb community. Especially from the many independent, and intelligent providers that exist it this space.

PS: why the hell are we all so hot after this one, when there are other great gals around? LOL NB Ahhhh, isn't it obvious:) She is young, natural looking and small:) Also she advertises in a way that is going to attract many-she is wearing a sexy school girl outfit, states she is a girl next door-guys love natural- or the impression she is natural and that she is young-19- all these make for the perfect combination-I'm surprised I'd have to point that out, lol. But whatever the reasons you all seem to hot on her trail so why not meet her, give her a chance-everyone deserves a fair chance and when you do suggest her to come and join cerb, that many are interested-happy hobbying:) But you are right in saying that there are many other great gals around as well:) What ever your choice make it the right one for you:)

Your closest studio would be Acqua over on Booth. It's a bit of a jaunt from the downtown core, but not crazy far. The other option would be to call Touch of Euphoria. That's the outcall service for CMJ. I have used it a number of times and have no complaints. http://www.lunamassagespa.com/ http://www.touchofeuphoria.com/

Shit. Am I too late? Congrats on another lap complete. (ps: it's my birthday too)

There's really nothing like dogs when you're feeling down...somehow they just know what to do! Glad to hear you're feeling better!

I did it all.... masturbated, snuggled with dogs, listen to my fav CD, did something good for another person, cried then had a tea:) Now glass of Pinot Girgio:) Thanks everyone, your so awesome!!!

Brad, there's how things should be and there's how things are. We all want progress, and a wise person knows that pressure for progress must be applied prudently, or it can result in a backlash. I thought we were living in a country where individual rights were balanced very well against community interests. I have been living and working in Canada since 1982, and have had almost no problems resulting from unjust laws or overzealous enforcement. Quite the opposite! So why rail and stomp our feet if there isn't a problem? I doubt there's much sympathy these days for the plight of internet advertising prostitutes and their customers in Canada. We're not exactly hard done by. Discretion is important, of course, but I think a huge part of discretion is knowing what the stigma looks like and looking like anything but. This is why I get so annoyed with these guys who try to "be discreet" by parking a couple blocks away and sneaking over on foot. That plays right into the stigma, and while it might be done with the intention of being discreet, it is actually indiscreet. It may be counterintuitive to some, but parking right out front and striding up and knocking on the door like you have every business being here is actually the most discreet thing to do, and attracts the least attention and curiosity. We can use the stigma to our advantage by letting people focus on it instead of on us. It protects our privacy. The only thing that I find sad is when I see an SP or a customer embracing the stigma. I have had customers ask me how I deal with dirty or rude or rough customers. Don't they see that I don't deal with people like that at all? Do they think they're the only decent guy I know? I don't encounter many of such people, but I have heard that some customers assume that all SPs are on drugs (I have known very few who use at all, much less more than on an odd occasion) or are all single mothers on welfare. I've heard SPs over the years make remarks to suggest that they think customers have to pay because they couldn't get laid otherwise. We don't see that much of those attitudes here on CERB, and when we do see it, it's usually nipped in the bud pretty quickly. That's the best type of progress I see!

I'm seeing a guy pretty regularly who says he's retired. Maybe some are better at retirement than others lol

Doctor says another month before my ribs are fully healed from my nasty fall. At least the bruising is clear. Now, back to work I go. Gently....

Elaine is a legit, indy. Petite, slender, well maintained. Her location is OK for convenience and discrete enough. She has a massage table set up in what looks like a breakfast nook. Her style is soothing, smooth and sensual. The emphasis is on relaxation and not on karate chops or spinal alignment. She has a soft, light touch and her two hands never stop moving and tracing over your skin. Additional Comments: Oops, I should clarify that I meant "legit" in the sense of not being a scam, and honestly getting what you paid for. Not in the sense of therapeutic or insurance receipt

For me, these short sessions never work for me. I could never do less than an hour...otherwise, I have visions of Ron MacLean (*Hockey night in Canada, for the ladies..., lol*) trying to cut me off, just like when Don Cherry runs over his allotted time. ;) E.

Myself with the Lovely Miss "Sasha in Paradise"

Why oh why oh why oh why oh why would you start a thread then if it never ever concerns you ?? I saw the title of the thread and went "Oh my fucking god" ! Here comes the minute meter shit again. Discussion threads are good. Let us have a valid reason however. Just my opinion of course.

Worrying about five minutes is ridiculous.

Using my back-of-a-napkin time calculations from before, a 20 minute session would only leave 4.5 minutes of fun time -- that might have been ok when I was 18... Too many options & calculations may make it too confusing (for me anyway) and more about the business transaction than a sensual experience with a fine lady, and I hate to have the stress worrying if I'll finish on time or overstay my welcome. I can envision a 45 minute option, which would have all the benefits you've outlined and might make it easier for the ladies in booking "on the hour" appointments. I'm assuming it's a time and not money motivation for the options, since one doesn't need to stay for the 30/60/90/120 minute session , and do we really want to end up having this stuck on the end of the bed :)

Welcome to Cerb, Damien :) To get this conversation started, maybe you could tell us why, in your experience, "younger ladies are better service providers". What does "younger versus "older" mean to you, personally? As far as your first question, I am not certain I understand what it means. Care to expand on the meaning of "top booker"? Thanks :) Additional Comments: Just another question... What makes an SP a good one/a better one in your books?

This is a great thread and I enjoy the discussion and I feel as though I need to contribute. I was a newbie a while ago and due to my ignorance and naivety surrounding this business I was indeed filled with much of the apprehension that has been discussed. So in my state of ignorance my mind raced through all the issues that have been discussed and as Samantha noted my primary concern "at the time" was my OWN privacy and essentially being assured discretion by the companion. So I found the whole verification process unnerving the first time to say the least. However, because I had those concerns I did MY extensive research and chose to visit with an established, very experienced, well reviewed companion and felt that because that the lady had been confirmed as wonderful and trustworthy I would be "safe". In fact it was during my research I discovered CERB and actually PM'd with experienced, respected CERB members about this lady to further waylay my concerns. With that lady I provided everything that she asked for and was rewarded with a fantastic experience and friendship. Jump ahead many encounters and I have developed some great friendships with a number of amazing ladies. Some ladies I keep in contact regularly with and through these friendships I have had discussions with them about some of the things that they run into on a daily basis from prospective clients and established clients (anonymously of course). To be honest, some of the things I hear evoke feelings from extreme concern for the lady to complete disgust and anger. Although there might be many GOOD clients here on CERB that believe that the way THEY properly treat companions is the norm, I'm here to tell you that is not the case. Most of the companions that we encounter here on CERB and perhaps on other boards and sites have days filled with complete garbage from prospective clients and established clients. These ladies are not just whining to hear themselves, this stuff really happens often. Sometimes, from CERB members who we assume (given the tone of our board) should know better. These ladies have to wade through so much shit, and so many assholes day in day out just to find a couple of decent clients it's staggering. Given what I know, I can emphatically state that these companions have every reason and right to request ANY and ALL verification information necessary to make them feel comfortable with a client. Further as a friend of some ladies I would implore that they always screen clients diligently. It is solely up to the client to do HIS research to ensure that he feels comfortable with seeing a particular companion and providing the information SHE requires to make her feel comfortable. It is not for the lady to have to try to SELL/PROVE herself as trustworthy. As clients we have a multitude of sources (such as CERB and other boards) to gather information on ladies and ease our concerns over our safety and privacy. There are MANY more clients than companions, so ladies many times do not have the luxury to login to a board (like CERB) and within a few minutes obtain recommendations/reviews of clients to assess whether she should let them into her room and be intimate with that prospective client. Bottom line, choose an experienced, well reviewed/recommended lady. Research her, understand her approach and when as a client you feel comfortable that you can trust the lady, contact her and provide her whatever she wants to know make her feel comfortable seeing you. Remember, a companion doesn't need to prove her trustworthiness to you. If you don't trust her, don't see her. Simple as that! You DO have to prove your trustworthiness to her! Keep it in mind. An impatient rant from Chuck.