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Hun, you take some of these differences of opinion a little too personally. No one is telling you how to run your business. We are exchanging thoughts, experiences and perspectives. Posted via Mobile Device Additional Comments: Precisely! Debate is NOT synonomous with argue! Posted via Mobile Device

So, every second Thursday I grab a bag and take a walk around the neighbourhood. See, that is paper recycling day and many people do not ensure that their paper products won't fly all over the road and eventually end up against the fence in my backyard! Today, I picked up a scratched Texas Holding ticket. Now, I will be the first to admit that I am a crappy poker player but a cursory glance had me thinking that perhaps this one was a winner. Upon my arrival at home I inspected it further and checked over and over. Yup, sure enough I was pretty sure it was a winner. A quick trip to the closest convenience store and I am now $100 richer! BTW, no signature or any identification was on the ticket or otherwise I would have tried to find the owner. I won't spend it yet just in case I hear any neighbourhood gossip :)

I'll try to give you an example. It might not be the best one (most likely not) but it's the only thing I can come up with right now... Let's say you've decided to treat yourself to a night out and go for supper. Your choice for this evening is a casual restaurant offering this able d'hote: 7 layer chip dip served with grilled naan bread Home made chili with sprinkles of cheese on top Home made dessert A 7 layer dip is made with 7 different ingredients. Now, if the restaurant decides to make a dip composed of 2 ingredients with 7 layers I'll be disappointed. Even more so if it comes with regular nacho chips instead of the grilled bread... Not what I was expecting. If the chili turns out to be vegetarian instead of using ground beef I'll also be disappointed as it was not what was advertised (the word vegetarian was omitted). If the dessert was bought through a supplier instead of being homemade I'll be even more disappointed and at this point I don't care what type of music is playing in the background or how many candles are burning and how nice my waiter was. My point? Don't mislead your (potential) clients... If you are SAFE GFE (covered bj only) then say so. If you don't kiss also say so because most gentlemen love this part of the experience and sometimes more than anything else. Vegetarian chili can be very tasty and quite good but not when you are craving a chili with meat in it. It's just not the same!

I have to vote nay. I think as a client, we would generally see the same ladies all the time since there are only twenty lines of ads and once the ladies who had paid, had posted all other ads would be on the subsequent pages. I might be inclined to go directly to page two knowing automatically who to expect on the first. It might discourage the occasional posters as they'd always be page two ads. The rule of unintended consequences As a rule I now browse the ads thru to the start of the day knowing that if busy they do roll over.

I believe it is up to each and everyone of us to manage the times we post at and if need be, take advantage of the '1 post per 12 hour' rule. I see no reason to pay a fee to be bumped to the first page as it wouldn't be fair to the ladies who post a new ad and automatically end up on the second page because of it. First page, second page... If someone is interested in spending time with us they will find our ad and contact us for a rendez-vous.

I have been accused of not providing a gfe service because I don't offer bbbj,so there are some men who consider bbbj part of the gfe service.I am simply not willing to take the risks and,the more a man uses a condom the less they feel like they have one on,so I have been told.

As tough as this is sometimes to be said and to be heard, this is the reality of what we do. For example, I do a lot of massage and happy ending, as do all mpas I believe. So are we not also providing a loving and sexy touch to someone, but are we also during this massage and hj expecting to be aroused and intimate at the same time? It doesn't make sense to me that sps expect to be aroused, or expect that the encounters are not primarily about the client's needs. An sp who forgets who is the client and who is the provider might end up very confused when that client, who always had a great time with her, stops calling one day. It's about customer service, a good attitude, etc. It is not about which clients give me orgasms, if it were then I would be in the wrong line of work. And I think this gets missed a LOT. This is sex work, we are sex workers. We are not girlfriends or FWBs or anything else. Men (and women) come to see me to avoid judgment and expectations. They come because they do not want to have to impress anyone, or at least some of them do. What of the minority of men who do have PE and ED? Are they going to be disappointed because they know and understand that it is unlikely that I will get to that required level of arousal to make it 'real"? I hope not, because primarily I am there for their needs, and to provide solutions for their reality. Not for my reality. If something happens, cool, but if not, well, then if I have an SO that is where I plan to get my selfish needs on. But when someone pays me real money, hard earned money, or saved up for a special treat, then why shouldn't the focus be on him? We provide a fantasy service, just because it is sexual in nature doesn't make it love and romance. You can't rent or buy love and romance, but you can rent sexual services in a fantasy setting. I do not understand why an sp would assume she has to have a connection, be aroused or even have orgasms to be fully involved, and therefore cannot provide while in a relationship. A professional companion understands the difference, but we do see a number of talented amatuers put up a sign and collect a fee, without this basic understanding. The clients know the difference between sex and love. So as sps/mps it is even more important that we understand the difference as well.

The one thing that GFE does offer is kissing...so if you don't kiss you shouldn't say Your GFE.:icon_wink:

Just from a logistical standpoint, it wouldn't work. There are only so many ladies (paid or not) whose ad can appear on the first page, so if you are the 21st one who wants to pay, it won't matter, you'll still end up on the top of the 2nd page. I am grateful we are able to post every 12 hours and not have to pay.

The sun is shining, the birds are singing, it's time to log out and go work in my garden...

I totally agree, not just for the Mod's sake but for all of us. We are a nice board and this is turning into something that I don't even want to discuss futher. We have all expressed our opinions and they are all valid. Lets put this one to bed and be thankful for the beautiful day.

Just finished a public speaking engagement on an emotion filled topic. It went really well, and am congratulating myself for choosing to stay here rather than do the 5 hour drive home tonight.

I am in a personal relationship and I assure you my service is not the least bit affected. Kissing? You will be kissed and loved from the moment you walk in my door until you leave. This is our special time together and if I were not prepared to give you my 100 percent I would not have my name offered to be of service and be your companion. A lot of the gentlemen I see are married and I do not feel in the least our time is affected by thier personal relationship. Why would this be true for a lady?

Yellowcard - Believe Why oh "y"? lol I will get you back :)

I find I fall deeply in love each time.......for an hour. The connection is there, the attentiveness is there.......perfect bf/gf experience, as new relationships tend to be. I want to please and be pleased, cater and be catered to, and I have been each and every time. Then, it's time to move on and the Sp and I both do so. As long as I know her boundaries before we meet and I respect those same boundaries when we meet, then we both should feel like we've had a good time. If something changed for her before we met again and something was off the table, I'll live. One single act is not a deal breaker for me if we're compatible in many others.

To me, GFE means there is the added intimacy and companionship included with an encounter. When you see a lady for a GFE, you are seeing her for more than just sexual services. You want to take time to get to know her. You enjoy her company, the conversation over drinks, kissing, cuddling. And your SP/Client relationship may evolve to dinners out and so on. It isn't about unprotected FS. But as with everything in this lifestyle, there is the ymmv factor. And always, respect the lady's boundaries. Just because she provides a GFE doesn't mean she doesn't have boundaries A rambling RG

Accomplished absolutely nothing today and enjoyed every minute of it.

I thought I was tough. But after also searching for it on the Net, I admit I'm a wimp! :-( I'm definitely a vanilla type of guy...

I have put on my Sens jersey for my avatar so let's hope it's not just a one day event (still mourning the demise of my Bruins :()

True. Didn't know that!

Well contracting an std that could possibly have whole life repercussions isnt worth an orgasm so do what you are comfortable with and if somebody tries to push the issue dont see them. Posted via Mobile Device

I think if they were suspended or banned they wont be reading this message :)

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I think it's a good suggestion. Particularly in Ottawa and Toronto, where there are a plethora of ads posted daily. Posted via Mobile Device

Realizing being in the presence (virtual for the most part) of a great bunch of people here on CERB. The cameraderie, politeness throughout, the support we offer each other, and the laughter (tears) we share ... priceless! I'm really grateful to be amongst you all and hope to get my post count up (maybe less with music titles, but real posts) from now on.

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Perhaps sticking to threads of a more light-hearted nature would alleviate you of the stress of dealing with opinions which differ from your own. Ultimately, you are in control of yourself. The things you say, and do not say; the things you do and do not do; how you choose to percieve things, and how you choose to feel about those perceptions. I am sorry you seem to be so ruffled, however, no one is forcing you to participate in something which causes you so much distress. Posted via Mobile Device

It strikes me that for both SPs and hobbyists, the experiences we have with each other always have the potential to resonate deeply and personally. The nature of the business almost makes that inevitable. As a result, when we have discussions about these things statements often come across, perhaps a little more definitively than we intend. What is critical for one person, may not be for another. I look for certain things in service, others for something else. Some ladies may define their service in certain ways, while others may see it differently. The key thing is very much to keep in mind that these are all expressions of personal belief, and not intended to impose perspectives on others. If anywhere, it seems to me that CERB is a place to celebrate diversity. Both in terms of sexuality and sexual expression, but also in terms of personal beliefs. The expression of that is an important part of this community.

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I think the chief is using the example as a terrific case of fear mongering. It is highly unlikely that online ads will result in drug paraphenalia on people's lawns, but somehow he makes that connection lol.

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I just ran 8 Miles on my favourite wooded trail, all the while listening to the lovely song birds. The rest of the day will be hard to beat!!

I must say, I'm slightly bemused by this whole thread :) First up, a general principle: a SP's relationship status is none of my damn business. None whatsoever. I've had one or two ladies have mentioned it to me at times, but it has always come from them; it's not a question I'd ever dream of asking. Secondly, as regards things that SPs may or may not do based on their current relationship status: I simply don't care. I judge SPs based purely on how much of a good time I had while I was with them, and although the specific things that we did or didn't do may be part of that judgement, they're by no means the full story. And if something I care about didn't happen, it doesn't matter whether it's because the SP doesn't ever offer it, or just doesn't do so right now because it's reserved for her relationship with someone else, or just didn't choose to do it with me. Her reasons, whether I consider them good or bad, and whether they be temporary or permanent or spur-of-the-moment, are once again none of my damn business.

I always offer a BFE.....regardless of my relationship status :) Peace MG

If my being involved in personal sexual relationships impacts my services, then I would say that it has a positive impact- aside from the hit that my availability can take, as Cat mentioned, I find that I learn a lot from my lovers- both about what I like, and about how to please them. Besides, having a really good lover turns me on. A lot. I go about my days bursting at the seams with sexual energy. For me, it's not a finite resource- if anything, the more I share, the more I gain.

I suppose I have a bizarre take on this but I think it does add insight to the subject matter in an odd way. When I am spending time with a lady in this setting, sex isn't the real reason, never the only reason and may not (sometimes has not) even occurred. I like the clarity of being able to be myself, it's liberating. Even with a spouse, are they in the mood? Are you imposing? It's expected here and SPs are shocked when our session is over and this hasn't happened. Sometimes I otherwise wouldn't but the SP thinks I am so cute and cuddly she seduces me, what fun! I find personal relationships, even with a spouse, can be a mixture of confusing signals. It's so liberating to spend time with a beautiful, intelligent, wonderful lady and not have to worry about anything as the boundaries or even lack of some boundaries (for those moments or rather hours in time) are so well defined with a "professional" companion. This is in contrast to a personal relationship which is completely different. It might only last 4 or 5 hours at a time but at least for that time I get to take a complete vacation from worrying about anything and just revel in the company of a wonderful lady and we are the only two people in the world for that time. So it is the very lack of a relationship combined with a purely "professional" friendship that makes this so special. Her personal relationships or mine don't have any impact whatsoever. They don't even enter the room.

When I am in a relationship the service level does not suffer but my availability certainly does. It is difficult to book an appointment knowing I am disappointing someone I care about by cancelling plans with them. But once the door opens...it's SHOWTIME! In for a penny, in for a pound... cat

I have and still offer duos with SaraMQ, Miabella, Chanel Reign, Nicolette Vaugn...hmmm...am I missing anyone else? ;-)

An education does not make or break a person,if someone is testing you they are doing it out of their own insecurity,after all the only people that put others down are the ones that are lacking something within themselves. Their are many very smart,self made people that don't have an education,their are very educated assholes,their are those with high school that can talk they way around,up and down a person with a phd.Never feel inferior,you are you,special,one of a kind and deserving of as much respect as any.

This refers to uncovered oral sex. I have seen several different studies and charts, all pretty much agree upon the risk levels of these activities and the difference between giving and receiving. (and yes, that 1/10 is WAY too high lol) The facts answer that age old question of why an sp who does cbjs still offers daty. It is a risk factor, which is way low for her at risk of receiving an std via daty vs it being quite high for her to contract an std by giving a bbbj. It also answers why many guys are ok with receiving bbbjs, since their risk of contracting an std is very low. This is the risk factors of rimming, fwiw. These are the risks of uncovered sex, fwiw. I do not see a huge difference between uncovered full sex and uncovered bjs, btw, excepting as it applies to the male receiver of bbbjs: www.inspot.org/std-info/sexual-risk.aspx?regionid=48&sitelvl=1 sps who offer bbbjs should be treated with a great deal of respect, imo, as they have made a decision to provide a preferred service at great risk to their personal health and safety. They do this knowing that many of these stds are curable and treatable, but that they will be at increased risk of exposure, if you consider that men in and out of this hobby tend to not get themselves tested (based on a TER poll a few years ago, an overwhelming majority of men had never been tested at all, and this on an escort review site) :confused:

This is actually not correct. You can solicit sex in Canada as long as you do NOT do it in a PUBLIC PLACE. (Place being the key word). You can advertise in newspapers, online, magazines and even TV as these are mediums and not considered a "PLACE" by definition of the laws. Advertising yourself as a full service sex worker (prostitute) is completely legal as long as you are not discussing or soliciting sex in a public location. This includes on the street, in a hotel lobby, on someones front lawn, in a car on a public street, etc... Back in the 80's this law was challenged when a magazine in Toronto that was allowing explicit ads to be printed for prostitution was charged wrongfully. The case was brought to the supreme court to get a more clear definition on what is and is not allowed. The court determined that a magazine is not a public "PLACE" and therefor a new precedence was set making newspapers, magazines and now the internet completely legal places to advertise as a prostitute. You can be as explicit as you wish (as long as the medium you are advertising in allows it) without fear of being charged for solicitation. Now... if you are explicit and say you do in calls you could be in trouble as a in call location can be considered a common place of prostitution (and we do have laws for common bawdy house). FYI in the USA if you use a term like BBBJ your still busted as they consider the terms just as illegal as your not fooling anyone by using these terms.