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Gentlemen, In light of recent events, I would like to bring a few respectful points to your attention regarding declined requests. "No" means what it means -NO- Nothing less, nothing more. It simply means no! Respect it and move on to someone else who will be able to provide you with what you are looking for without making a huge fuss about it and accusing the lady of having a bad attitude, especially when the request(s) are turned down gently and diplomatically. Please understand that when a lady already has a lot of pictures available for you to look at, she may not want to send you more pictures of herself because you want to see a specific body part. There are a multitude of reasons for her to decline politely and I do not think her personal or professional reasons should matter or made subject of pure assumptions after turning you down; If that specific body part picture is not available for you to look at before an encounter and if that specific picture is going to make or break an appointment, please look for ladies who already show what you are looking for. Furthermore, when a lady says she is not available to meet with you, she is NOT available to meet with you. Again, the reasons for her not being able to see you are irrelevant. Please, move on to someone who is without feeling the need to investigate as to why she was not available. It's quite creepy when I'm told, at a later time by a gentleman I wasn't available for, that after doing 'local inquiries' he was able to find out "why" I was not available to meet with him. Why the need to take it that far? No matter what your request is (extra pictures, specific 'sercives', ect, even a get together), when a lady declines, it is what it is and her preferences, choices and decisions should be respected even though you would've preferred otherwise. There is also no need to put her under a scrutinising eye and make silly assumptions when you do not get what you want. Acting out, being mean spirited, gossiping and the likes after the fact is never going to get you what you wanted in the first place... It is simply better to forget about it and move on. Gabriella

And there is one and only, WrinkledInTime known to everyone as WIT. So kind and so intelligent and an all time best contributing member of cerb. The undisputed most valuable member, and most knowledgeable member. This thread (cerb Remembrance thread) is meaningless without a post about him. So, lets remember WIT and his enormous contributions to this board and this community spanning over several years. The one with all answers and the one who will be never forgotten, WrinkledInTime, you will be always in our memory and hearts and I think that I speak on behalf of all cerbites to say that we thank you very much for all your invaluable contributions WIT and we all hope that you decide to come back to cerb one day soon. cerb is not same without you.

I honestly would not stress about agencies taking up space, and that your ad is no longer visible on the first page...This reason would not affect your business and I will tell you why :) I have been in this business for a long while, and I can tell you first hand, men will look through multiple pages, not just the first ;) ...and they usually start where they left of last (date wise in ad sections) Also, GOOD clients, the ones us ladies always look forward to having...they usually tend to do a little research first, they don`t just choose an sp based on first see, first serve...they look around to ensure they choose who they want.

Even when some of us have tried to convey the message to a gentlemen why we can't or don't want to see them, some have trouble dealing with rejection and their way of handling it is to then to pressure the lady to reveal why, insult or degrade the lady in some which is not pleasant. But at least then, it's an assurance to me that I made the right decision. Sometimes it's not "about you" fella. We have lives and you have no idea what may be on our plate. And even if it is "about you", and the lady doesn't want to "go there" by explaining specifically why she won't see you, save face and don't press on with the issue. And if it comes down her actually telling you "the truth", then just take your lumps and move on. Just as you are under no obligation to see a particular lady, we are under no obligation to see everyone who asks. I just want to add, that turning down clients is something we do for our safety and peace of mind in order to ensure that we give the best level of service possible. If we're not "feeling it", then no sense in doing it.

Just because a gentleman does pay a lady for her time doesn't mean he owns her for that time Every act that takes place are still between consenting adults. If the lady does not consent to a certain service, irrespective of how much you pay for her time, means you do not get certain services. And if the lady does not want to see you, she has the right to not see you, just as a gentleman has the right to chose which SP's he will see or not see And if you are here to get photos, the ones provided on websites and profiles suffice. If you want more explicit photos, your local corner store carries Playboy or Penthouse. The photos provided by the lady are to entice, and give you an idea of her looks. Encounters are to be mutually beneficial and 100% consensual A rambling Good thread Gabriella RG

Summer, thanks for the follow up. I'm not sure I still understand the reason to walkaway from the source of 95 percent of your income or that agencies are the problem because there are actually more indy ads every 12 hours , the escort agencies don't actually post multiple ads here outside of the 2 per day, to the best of my knowledge there is only one Agency girl who has her own account, that is also a paid account merely because she works with an agent. Perhaps you might want to consider the day parts when you advertise as time frames maybe be more effective and targeted to your clientele. Participating in discussions and popping into the chat room and shoutbox periodically are also effective and free options for your consideration. The reality is right now things are slow in the capital, for everyone. With public service cuts in play and more looming, along with the usual summer slow down and the fact that economic confidence still has not bounced back has it's impact on all business, especially discretionary spending like entertainment. I'm not sure what the answer is but I certainly don't think not advertising on cerb is the answer. Hang in there ;)

Great thread, Gabriella. I've had a lot of these, lately, for some reason. I'm not sure why. My reasons for declining the opportunity to entertain someone are personal, they're about me, not necessarily about him. Something doesn't feel right to me. It could be my mood when I read the e-mail. It could be that the fellow reminds me of someone I don't want to remember. It could be that I find communicating with him more difficult or complicated than I'm able to manage at the time. I've had about ten inquiries in the last 4-6 weeks from men who have demanded assurance I'm disease-free. Many of them have replied with thinly veiled hostility to my responses. I'm irritated by this and so I won't give these inquiries a second glance for quite awhile. Lately, I've had more contact with long-time, regular clients than I've had all summer which, frankly, makes me feel somewhat less interested in new clients. Returning clients always have a higher priority for me. I am sure that I turn away men who would be wonderful clients, who would enjoy me and whom I would be pleased to have encountered. My own moods and nit-picking tendencies are aspects of my personality that I accept. I won't be cajoled, bullied, begged, manipulated or threatened into accepting a client I don't want to see. I wouldn't enjoy the engagement and if I don't enjoy it, he can be certain that he won't, either. There are many wonderful ladies in this industry. If one of us turns you down, accept that's just her, it's not about you, and move on.

I haven't seen the thread about refusing a client based on race. Of course as an SP you can chose to see who you want based on any criteria. Same goes with the client of course, we chose who we want to see based on our own criteria. It goes both ways. I could see how the discussion could get heated, anytime race is involved people can and will get animated. I know sometimes the Ladies get tired of the same questions, I myself have sent Ladies questions before an encounter, I find as long as you are respectful with your questions you will get an equally respectful response. But once the question is asked and answered it should end there. If you don't get the answer you want and continue to correspond with the Lady nothing good will come of it. I'm always suspicious that the guys who do this do it for personal entertainment (sick I know) and I also wonder about the guys who are genuine and think an encounter could be enjoyable after annoying the fuck out of the Lady you are trying to see.

Synchronized swimming has just gone up in my estimation.

Well her reasons could be simple prejudice or something completely different, but what ever they are I respect her right to have them. In particular because this is posted under FS providers, I think it is every woman's choice to see or not see anyone they choose (clients also). Perhaps it isn't at all what it one might think, maybe she had an "African-American" boyfriend who treated her badly and she doesn't need to be reminded of this. Some more mature SPs won't see younger men? Hem, should we complain to the human rights commission based on age discrimination? In an intimate setting, racial prejudice is acceptable to me; (heavens, did I just say that, yes, I did and only because I am both stupid and fearless) but in fact it is the only circumstance under which I will tolerate or stand for it even if I don't agree with it. I think she has the right to discriminate on any bases she chooses (in this case only), most of which would be completely unacceptable under any other circumstance. I also think it is possible to not be prejudice but not believe in or be comfortable with inter-racial couples (when one of them is you).

I've recently come to the self realization that I have a fetish for messing around with another man's girl. Whether he be in the know or not. Whether he be ok with it or not. Doesn't matter. I just really dig fishing in another man's pond. I can't really explain it....in all other respects I'm a total boyscout. Honest, respectful, all that jazz. Maybe it has something to do with my sexual history. I lost my virginity at 18 to someone who had a boyfriend back at home. It was a dirty, hot, one time thing and as guilty as I felt I also got a certain guilty pleasure out of it. Honestly, it's only happened with two women (that I know of) but just the thought of it turns me on. Same goes with SP's, if I find out that a SP has a S/O, whether she tell me or whether she mentions it in a thread here on cerb...well...I get very excited at the thought of dipping my wick in someone else's wax ;) I do have some scruples though, Not a friend's or relative's S/O. And not if there is a chance of children being hurt as a result. My last "relationship" if you can call it that was such an affair. I ended up breaking it off because of the children. Children don't frighten me away, but it was just getting a little too messy. The children asking about me, her asking her children to lie for her, etc. That was a big no-no for me. I guess this is all a little hypocritical of me, as I won't under any circumstances cheat if I'm in a relationship. I even stopped hobbying for several months while I was having the affair with the aforementioned lady with children. I cheated once and still feel like dog shit about it to this day. So never again. And all this isn't to say that I don't also enjoy single women. I love women and I love sex. Period. But I do also love that forbidden fruit! ;) It's odd because for anyone who really knows me, would be able to tell you that this preference is so very out of character for me. So what say you people? Anyone else have this particular fetish and can explain it? ...Or am I simply damned? :p

Reading this thread has got me to thinking. For those who have a marriage in a rut, maybe your partner has medical issues and so on, unless you are prepared to end the marriage, having affairs, generally speaking isn't the way to go. The spouse will end up hurt, not only from the sexually infidelity, but probably more so from the emotional (read love) infidelity. The lady/gentleman who is the other woman/man may get involved with someone married on the hopes of finding true love, only to find a uncommitted relationship, and they are dumped and left hurt as well. But one option, seeing escorts seems a solution (well maybe not the perfect solution, but it isn't a perfect world) for a marriage in a rut, or bad marriage etc. It allows a spouse in a not so perfect marriage an escape without the risk of true emotional infidelity. The escort isn't going to try to steal the spouse for her own, so no real threat to the marriage. And anyone seeing escorts who keeps a head on his shoulders knows, or should know that the SP, no matter how much she might like you, doesn't have genuine feelings (read love) for you. So seeing escorts, while allowing sexually infidelity, does so without the risk of true emotional infidelity A rambling from a happy single guy who loves this poly amorous lifestyle For whatever it contributes to this thread RG

I like Dorinda because she's always up for an adventure. Ooops - I like the Mighty Finn because he's one of the more pleasant guys who comes into the chat room and very helpful to everyone.

In this business there should never be any assumption on the part of a client that a provider has to accept any client's behaviour, be it in the becoming-acquainted phase, or in the actual meeting, i.e. once he is paying her for her time. Anyone who believes this is either grossly immature, naive, or just plain arrogant. Any number of bad behaviours --on a logarithmic scale of severity-- will raise red flags with the provider, and subsequent communications, if they are pursued by the client, usually only make matters worse. For the client then to throw a fit, upset the lady even further, gossip about her to others, etc. is tantamount to digging his own grave - he will never see that lady, and may ruin it for himself altogether. One does oneself a huge favour in this game by adhering to the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Why some people behave contrary to this is a topic for another day. If a lady has refused to see a client due to a specific request, behaviour she wishes not to entertain, or for whatever reason, there are plenty of others out there and it is best just to move on. She has exactly the same rights as you the client, to choose who she will meet with. FR

I do think if the raid on a bawdy house was done because of concerns over human trafficking, anyone in that bawdy house should expect to be leaving...in the back of a crusier handcuffed. Any questions would be done at a police station. And I don't think the police would be looking at owner or client in too kind a light. To the police, justifiably so, in a case of human trafficking, see only those who have been trafficked as the victims. Any owners and clients, well to the police, they are the problem. The police may use the common bawdy house provision as legal grounds to conduct the raid and arrest people inside, but it would only be part of a much larger investigation into human trafficking And anyone arrested, or even just questioned by police under such circumstances, you'd better be calling a lawyer first. No matter how polite a police investigator seems to be, they are investigating a case and looking for evidence to lead to convictions. Your only friend at that point is your lawyer Better yet, stay away from bawdy houses that look like they would be targets of LE to begin with A rambling RG

Eating raisin/cinnamon bread with butter this morning... mmm I love butter...

We had our differences but we also agreed on many things, regardless Megan was an active contributing member here for years (and I believe she was/is an active member for the good of this industry as well) and she made some very valuable posts and comments on this board during those years. I am sure Megan is missed by many. My personal view, we all make choices and sometimes outside the (sometimes tight) circle of the rules, but we all deserve a second chance if we (she) would like to have one. I hope that she will be back to cerb too on some mutually accepted terms. Regardless this thread would not be complete without remembering her and hoping her return.

Again, same goes with both sexes. A guy hooking up with a married woman and thinks that if they end up together that she'll be faithful.....kind of fooling himself. I'm sure there are the rare exceptions, as in backrubman's case, where the marriage, for all intents and purposes, is already over except for on paper. But the majority of the time........if she cheated on her husband with you.....then once things get stale, she's gonna start looking around again. I guess the trick is to not let things get stale. Easier said than done though. I've learned my lesson. Not counting hobbying I don't actively seek out these kind of affairs in my personal life. But if the opportunity happens to fall in my lap again I'm not making any plans for the future with a married/attached woman. I'm going to approach it as a very sex only/no strings attached kind of arrangement. And I'm going to make sure that's communicated to her in the most literal way possible.

What are you looking at ?

I share this absolutely with enormous joy. Just that I think about all ladies who I see weekends and not limited to cerb ladies. I think about ladies I see weekends so much that I can't concentrate on my work weekdays lol!!!!!.

Coming out of my hotel.... I packed the car up, but then.....Had to go to the ladies room. So I enter the mall, go to the washroom, upon leaving, my baby toe got caught under the door!! I ended up at emerg...with sliced toe, fractured.....and not too happy! They had a metal sheet lining the bottom of the door, but unfortunately was left with a overhang!!! So.....booooo!!!! Now all bandaged up and no massage session this week for Sophia:( Funny how they put on the metel to protect the door from wheelchairs, but yet....leave an overhang to cut and break your toe! Glad the door felt no pain, lol....

I've worked for the same company for many years now. At one time I knew everyone, but as the years passed and we expanded, a lot of new and younger faces kept appearing all around me. I was getting on the elevator one day, and the doors started to close. Someone inside hit the open button so I could get on, then held it for a few more people. Being old enough to remember the story of the Little Dutch Boy, and how he saved Holland by plugging a leak in a dike with his finger, I made some related comment to the person holding the door open. Something like "thanks for putting your finger in the dike!" It was at that moment, as I surveyed the look of horror on the faces of my young colleagues in the elevator, when I realized that some expressions which we're commonplace in my youth don't translate well to this decade!

This could be my new favourite thread! Snuggling with a CERB friend, sometimes without words, in awe of the incredible beauty - both inside and out - of the lady friend I'm with. FR

Hi, I don't want to sound argumentative, but I don't understand your statement, or what the logic would be behind your decision to go elsewhere. You get 95 percent of your business from this board where you can advertise for FREE, the reason you can advertise for FREE is because CERB is subsidized in part by Agencies who MUST pay to advertise, you have all the same options that an agency does and it doesn't cost you a dime, save for your time spent posting and responding to messages and participating in discussions, still if that little time results in a 95% return on a 0 $ investment is fantastic! Why would you walk away from the source of 95 percent of your business to go somewhere else where you will likely have to pay and compete with even more agencies and independents ? From a business perspective it just doesn't make sense. Sure advertise else where and saturate the market with your brand, but if you think CERB is crowded with too many agencies I think you'll find the company in other venues is much more competitive and you have to pay to partake. I'm just curious to know what the reasoning would be, thanks :)

Don't rule out an "Aboriginal Summer" - is this what I say now? September could be promising for scantily clad ladies as well! Here's hoping! :D

Barefax as well has a wide couch area where couples or double dances are often done. Barb's has one wider couch that's doable as well, though it's a tight fit. OP - I know you already have the Den in mind, but in case others are looking for the best club for a couples dance, this could be useful, so I hope you don't mind the slight thread jack. :)

Peachy, as long as you're honest and upfront about it, making sure that a new customer knows this before he meets with you, that's fine. I'm not a huge fan of the YMMV disclaimer, though. I don't think it's fair to take someone's money, then blindside him with an excuse for why he doesn't qualify to receive quality service. Especially over something so natural.

This is my opinion. I think Awards are a bad idea, it separates members and puts certain members "above" other members. I understand the idea of wanting to recognize a members post/contribution on the board but inevitability it will turn into a popularity contest. As was stated previously it caused an issue in the past, one of the posters was questioning whether another member should even be eligible for an award based on the number of posts that member had (or join date I forget which it was). We're human, humans tend to side with like minded people so if you win an award that probably means more people than not agree with what you said i.e. what you said is "popular". There are always exceptions but a member could write a very detailed, well written, well thought out post that a majority of the members disagree with, that post will never win an award. Even the current reputation point process has been evolving based on how members are awarding them. Clearly some current members were trying to prop up some new members so that member has a "higher status. Personally I don't value what is said in a post based on that members status or number of awards won, I agree, disagree, like, don't like the post based on its content. I was never the popular kid in school, can ya tell?

After almost 1 year since our first encounter I went back to see Claire. After exchanging a few PM's we settled on a day and time that worked for both of us. Unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable what an absolutely amazing experience from start to finish sexxxy, intuitive, smart and an absolute pleasure a 100% class act. If you have not had a chance to meet her yet you don't know what you are missing and you wont understand how great she is until you do meet her. I will absolutely see her as often as I can. Its been 2 days now and I am still smiling and feeling good all over :) Please play nice she is a true gem :)

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I do not give references I do not feel that it is any one business . and I am taking a risk as well as the sp . But if the lady dose not want to see me that is fine too I will find some one ells . As for hanging up a tittle rude . no matter what the conversation . that is the only problem here If an sp can have a fine business with getting references I am glad for her as I would hope she would be happy for me if I get what I want with out answering that question them

I think she has every right to decide who she's comfortable seeing. This is a very personal business so let her decide what her restrictions are. Post them and that's all you have to do,.